Ironically, the studio messing with the film, Welles's subsequent notes, and the eventual restoration of the film adds a layered subplot to it's lore and seemingly fits the films original premise.
I saw Orson Welles set up to film the opening sequence of "Touch of Evil" on Windward Ave, Venice, California. Watching the movie is recalling what Venice looked like in those years.
Clubhouse and Ocean Front walk, in the 1940's, perhaps as early as the late 1930's and I recall Venice in the 1950's to early '60s. I can recall seeing Orson Welles filming "Touch of Evil" at night holding the hands of my grandparents. Watching a Master of Cinema film Film Noir at night in 1950s Venice, Ca Walking Speedway with my grandparents to Westminster Ave. with dim street lights if any along Speedway which is essentially an alley, and the dim or half burnt out headlights of the few 1950's and earlier decades cars driving Speedway Ave. that night is Film Noir memory in itself.
this is why I write short stories, I decide how they are edited, I cast them, I build the characters the way I desire, if someone films it later, oh well
the murder scene as Leigh was in coma criterion version is reEnactment of Till lynching the year prior. Relentless pounding and head beaten until eyes exit face Tamirov &Welles are a force majeur
It's a disgrace that Welles was black-balled by studio heads and then had to fight and scrApe for years to direct or produce more films. he would have never made "a block-buster" but certainly could have made another ten or more films. that is clear.
Mercedes MacCambridge probably played the closest role to her actual personality in "Touch of Evil", however that personality also comes through in "Johnny Guitar" and many of her roles on radio programs such as "SUSPENSE". It is no wonder she was considered one of the most difficult actresses to work with in Hollywood or during her time on radio. It would have been impossible for her to play a "sympathetic part" as too much of her actual personality comes through any performance she may have given over the years of her career, including her selection as the voice of Satan in" The Exorcist". The circumstances i her later life surrounding her son's suicide and all that happened during those years paralleled her many roles in the movies and on radio.
as it says here in this doc... welles HIMSELF abandoned the editing of this film... then later complained that the final cut wasnt what he wanted... ya should have finished yer job orson instead of running off to do "don quixote"... it was ORSONS OWN FAULT that we didnt get to see the film as it SHOULD HAVE BEEN...
Was Welles trying to look a bit like J Edgar Hoover? Welles was always being investigated by somebody in the US - Hoover, McCarthy, Cohn, scads of lesser prosecutors, interns….throwing spaghetti on the wall hoping something will stick.
Welles was an extraordinarily talented and innovative director, as evidenced by Kane, Ambersons, Macbeth, Chimes At Midnight, Touch Of Evil and Lady From Shanghai; he was also a self-destructive personality who antagonized many in the Hollywood community. He started and aborted several projects; Welles says he ran out of funds to finance the films, like Don Quixote. Others say that he couldn't maintain interest in completing these films. Clearly, he could have done prestige films for HBO.
As Charleton Heston said, Orson never wanted to deal with the money people. A lot of it was bad luck, but more of it was his self destructive tendencies.
Don't watch it on Netflix they've got one of the shitty cuts, I just watched it (because I couldn't be bothered to put my DVD on) and I hadn't seen it in a long while I thought there was something wrong with it and then I watched this. How is it they can debut the magnificent The Other Side Of The Wind and then only show a riff raff copy of Touch Of Evil grrrrrr.
as it says here in this doc... welles HIMSELF abandoned the editing of this film... then later complained that the final cut wasnt what he wanted... ya should have finished yer job orson instead of running off to do "don quixote"... it was ORSONS OWN FAULT that we didnt get to see the film as it SHOULD HAVE BEEN...
genius mchaggis what an ass you are, do you really believe what Universal said, a studio that hated Welles? The script was already wrote and ready to go, it was sent to Heston, but they didn't have a actor for Quinlan. Heston suggested Welles for the part, they asked, he said yes, but only if he could direct and rewrite the whole movie. The part about the studio looking at the daily takes, and being pleased is true. When it was put together for the first screening, they wouldn't even let Welles in the cutting room, and said they hated it. You should listen to Welles, and what he says about the way he was fucked over. He should know, he was there, none of these twats talking were there. So, you see what a prick you are, believing anything a Hollywood studio says. Now go back and play with your crayons, leave the grown up stuff to us grown ups.
highlighted!!!.......yuck...as i said.....and as welles HIMSELF SAID... welles went off to europe to work on another project...for whatever reason... he himself ABANDONED the project.... THEN complained...AFTER THE FACT.... that he didnt like what they had done....when HE was ABSENT... by his OWN choice... eat your own crayons you dangling ball sack..... you putrid boil... you mound of reeking pus... you festering suppurative leakage..... you putrescent being... you minion of nothingness... you shite pile..... @@RSR423
It's really hard to process what's being said, over that music. The people talking, are not exactly enunciating, and I'm just not going to bother to try to pick out whatever the message is, here.
The biggest flaw in Orson Welles' films was that he acted in them, with obvious "character" make-up. It was his own ego run amok. I cannot sit through Citizen Kane because of his hammy acting style. He was a brilliant screenwriter and director, not so much as an actor.
Yes, he often seemed distracted as an actor. Actors like Cagney, whom Orson praised, can make even minor detail seem vital. Maybe that lack of discapline contributed to so many unfinished projects. Curiously though, Welles is the most fascinating film artist. New books & films about him are always springing up.
I couldnt disagree with you more. In many instances, Welles portrayals equals the very best of his directing. He was a consummate performer, and his performance as Kane is one of the very best things about the movie, as is his performance of Quinlain in TOE. Are you actually knowledgeable about the art of acting? Or is this just an "opinion" of yours? As my dear Father once said..." You are entitled to your opinion... you just aren't entitled to having it taken seriously"
No one ever notes this wonderfully corny line: The shoe salesman describes how he fell in love with the rich man's daughter: "I sold her shoes and I've been at her feet ever since."
The bar in the film is still there. You walk in, don't quite realize it, then it hits you. And it's a god damn thrill.
Really? How's it called?
Ironically, the studio messing with the film, Welles's subsequent notes, and the eventual restoration of the film adds a layered subplot to it's lore and seemingly fits the films original premise.
The music is amazing.
I saw Orson Welles set up to film the opening sequence of "Touch of Evil" on Windward Ave, Venice, California. Watching the movie is recalling what Venice looked like in those years.
Wow, I'm over the moon that I didn't waste my time watching any version other than the 110 minute Welles cut.
The 4k versions are out and the theatrical cut has the best picture quality, lol it's stunning.
Brilliant work. Thank you.
Clubhouse and Ocean Front walk, in the 1940's, perhaps as early as the late 1930's and
I recall Venice in the 1950's to early '60s.
I can recall seeing Orson Welles filming "Touch of Evil" at night holding the hands of my grandparents.
Watching a Master of Cinema film Film Noir at night in 1950s Venice, Ca
Walking Speedway with my grandparents to Westminster Ave. with dim street lights if any along Speedway which is essentially an alley, and the dim or half burnt out headlights of the few 1950's and earlier decades cars driving Speedway Ave. that night is Film Noir memory in itself.
this is why I write short stories, I decide how they are edited, I cast them, I build the characters the way I desire, if someone films it later, oh well
Welles was an auteur and it´s sad that the movie studios changed his great movies.
I’ve just obtained a 16mm print of this film that is on 1970 Fuji stock.it would be interesting to see how this compares with the 1998 restoration
RIP Curtis Hanson...
the murder scene as Leigh was in coma
criterion version is reEnactment of Till lynching
the year prior. Relentless pounding and head beaten until eyes exit face
Tamirov &Welles are a force majeur
I rather liked the final, to date, version of Touch of Evil
It's a disgrace that Welles was black-balled by studio heads and then had to fight and scrApe for years to direct or produce more films. he would have never made "a block-buster" but certainly could have made another ten or more films. that is clear.
The part at the end where he's in modern day Venice Beach and you can see Subway behind him... I used to work in that building!
Release the Welles cut !
Mercedes MacCambridge probably played the closest role to her actual personality in "Touch of Evil", however that personality also comes through in "Johnny Guitar" and many of her roles on radio programs such as "SUSPENSE". It is no wonder she was considered one of the most difficult actresses to work with in Hollywood or during her time on radio.
It would have been impossible for her to play a "sympathetic part" as too much of her actual personality comes through any performance she may have given over the years of her career, including her selection as the voice of Satan in" The Exorcist". The circumstances i her later life surrounding her son's suicide and all that happened during those years paralleled her many roles in the movies and on radio.
her performance in Johnny Guitar was on another planet
Hey, fans! Read Walter Murch's book In the Blink of an Eye. Genius, phenomenological.
Universal deserves to burn in Hell for what they did to this film.
as it says here in this doc...
welles HIMSELF abandoned the editing of this film...
then later complained that the final cut wasnt what he wanted...
ya should have finished yer job orson instead of running off to do "don quixote"...
it was ORSONS OWN FAULT that we didnt get to see the film as it SHOULD HAVE BEEN...
IS this restored edition availible as the new UNIVERSAL 100 DVD series?
Was Welles trying to look a bit like J Edgar Hoover? Welles was always being investigated by somebody in the US - Hoover, McCarthy, Cohn, scads of lesser prosecutors, interns….throwing spaghetti on the wall hoping something will stick.
Welles was an extraordinarily talented and innovative director, as evidenced by Kane, Ambersons, Macbeth, Chimes At Midnight, Touch Of Evil and Lady From Shanghai; he was also a self-destructive personality who antagonized many in the Hollywood community. He started and aborted several projects; Welles says he ran out of funds to finance the films, like Don Quixote. Others say that he couldn't maintain interest in completing these films. Clearly, he could have done prestige films for HBO.
As Charleton Heston said, Orson never wanted to deal with the money people. A lot of it was bad luck, but more of it was his self destructive tendencies.
@@reedsawyer2432e just didn't like dealing with the Studios and the Corporate scum. He was an artist.
Lucas can talk. American Graffiti and THX 1138 give him that right. And maybe that other thing.
What are you talking about
I like the studio version of the opening scene better, with the terrific Mancini score and, yes, the credits too.
Why would any company change its product based on one person's opinion? A single woman with a handbag, ridiculous.
The original Karen.
There should be a memorial somewhere in Hollywood that lists all the the management people that have the power and no talent to destroy art.
good
Fascinating. But not really a "restoration", since it is based on Welles' 58-page memo on how he wanted the film cut.
Don't watch it on Netflix they've got one of the shitty cuts, I just watched it (because I couldn't be bothered to put my DVD on) and I hadn't seen it in a long while I thought there was something wrong with it and then I watched this. How is it they can debut the magnificent The Other Side Of The Wind and then only show a riff raff copy of Touch Of Evil grrrrrr.
as it says here in this doc...
welles HIMSELF abandoned the editing of this film...
then later complained that the final cut wasnt what he wanted...
ya should have finished yer job orson instead of running off to do "don quixote"...
it was ORSONS OWN FAULT that we didnt get to see the film as it SHOULD HAVE BEEN...
genius mchaggis what an ass you are, do you really believe what Universal said, a studio that hated Welles? The script was already wrote and ready to go, it was sent to Heston, but they didn't have a actor for Quinlan. Heston suggested Welles for the part, they asked, he said yes, but only if he could direct and rewrite the whole movie. The part about the studio looking at the daily takes, and being pleased is true. When it was put together for the first screening, they wouldn't even let Welles in the cutting room, and said they hated it. You should listen to Welles, and what he says about the way he was fucked over. He should know, he was there, none of these twats talking were there. So, you see what a prick you are, believing anything a Hollywood studio says. Now go back and play with your crayons, leave the grown up stuff to us grown ups.
highlighted!!!.......yuck...as i said.....and as welles HIMSELF SAID...
welles went off to europe to work on another project...for whatever reason...
he himself ABANDONED the project.... THEN complained...AFTER THE FACT....
that he didnt like what they had done....when HE was ABSENT... by his OWN choice...
eat your own crayons you dangling ball sack.....
you putrid boil...
you mound of reeking pus...
you festering suppurative leakage.....
you putrescent being...
you minion of nothingness...
you shite pile.....
@@RSR423
That’s BS, you can search for what Orson said about that.
@@geniusmchaggis lol
@@pablovi77 he said it HERE
It's really hard to process what's being said, over that music. The people talking, are not exactly enunciating, and I'm just not going to bother to try to pick out whatever the message is, here.
The biggest flaw in Orson Welles' films was that he acted in them, with obvious "character" make-up. It was his own ego run amok. I cannot sit through Citizen Kane because of his hammy acting style. He was a brilliant screenwriter and director, not so much as an actor.
Yes, he often seemed distracted as an actor. Actors like Cagney, whom Orson praised, can make even minor detail seem vital. Maybe that lack of discapline contributed to so many unfinished projects. Curiously though, Welles is the most fascinating film artist. New books & films about him are always springing up.
He’s the best character and actor in both these films
I couldnt disagree with you more. In many instances, Welles portrayals equals the very best of his directing. He was a consummate performer, and his performance as Kane is one of the very best things about the movie, as is his performance of Quinlain in TOE. Are you actually knowledgeable about the art of acting? Or is this just an "opinion" of yours?
As my dear Father once said..." You are entitled to your opinion... you just aren't entitled to having it taken seriously"
Orson was a suberb actor. I have no idea what you are on about..
I disagree completely he was a great actor and was great in all of his films.
No one ever notes this wonderfully corny line:
The shoe salesman describes how he fell in love with the rich man's daughter: "I sold her shoes and I've been at her feet ever since."