That's how I learned :-) My teacher was Imre Hennyey who was on the Hungarian Olympic team in 1948 and 1952. He also coached the Canadian Olympic team in the 1960's.
When I was fencing at Georgetown in the 70s, my teacher was Benedek Stephan, who was on the 1952 Hungarian Pentathlon team. I only recently started fencing again, and the changes in style required a lot of "un-learning" on my part: things I was told to avoid (like flicking the blade) are now standard technique. I feel like Rip van Winkle.
I train historical fencing (smallsword, sabre) that's based on the teachings of some extremely old dude who dueled between the wars and passed his knowledge in the 90' + some experimentation and it's more or less what we do (except of the rised off hand). Without the electric system and penalized double hits that's the most reasonable way to do it.
i will copy the move @05:44 to greet my partner. its pure elegance. @06:35 at reversing the lunge the arm should kept forward to keep the concpet "cone of steel" via handguard. it was the masters last check if we see it ;)
@@micromarty200 thanks for your reply. This video is really amazing. I reckon there must be a saber version because some time around 6 minutes the commentator says something about the feet being "as in saber" which would imply they have already talked about saber.
All sports evolve, but what happened to fencing is a tragedy. The sport might just as well be called something else because it has nothing in common with what it used to be only decades ago. In fact, I can’t think of any other sport that’s changed so much as to become ad unrecognizable as fencing. It’s a shame.
The referees took judgment of validity of priority upon themselves and away from the rules as written and thereby taking the power to select who passes onto higher rounds into their own hands. Follow the rules and make the attacker present the blade instead of hiding it, and all the grace will return.
This is essentially what I have been doing in my 6 years of fencing. I feel that modern fencing is fairly faithful to this. Unless you are referring to the pageantry, which I would say has been muffled. I feel that it is still just fine.
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That's how I learned :-) My teacher was Imre Hennyey who was on the Hungarian Olympic team in 1948 and 1952. He also coached the Canadian Olympic team in the 1960's.
My coach was Bob Foxcroft at the University of Western Ontario--he was Canada's sabre champion. This was my style too--now I just don't know fencing.
that was the early 1970's
When I was fencing at Georgetown in the 70s, my teacher was Benedek Stephan, who was on the 1952 Hungarian Pentathlon team. I only recently started fencing again, and the changes in style required a lot of "un-learning" on my part: things I was told to avoid (like flicking the blade) are now standard technique. I feel like Rip van Winkle.
@@StuartKoehl yes exactly. the idea I thinks is to 'avoid' the blade--whip it about and not engage, then flash above with a flick. Am I correct?
What a marvellous piece of history! So much of it still accurate and useful. Thank you for posting!
This is how I learned, and I loved it. Its so different now--just twirling and flicking.
Beautiful, thank you for uploading! It's a true pleasure to see this!
It’s cool to see how much fencing evolved
And yet the fundamentals are still the same!
devolved
I train historical fencing (smallsword, sabre) that's based on the teachings of some extremely old dude who dueled between the wars and passed his knowledge in the 90' + some experimentation and it's more or less what we do (except of the rised off hand).
Without the electric system and penalized double hits that's the most reasonable way to do it.
This looks better than antenna tag
i will copy the move @05:44 to greet my partner. its pure elegance.
@06:35 at reversing the lunge the arm should kept forward to keep the concpet "cone of steel" via handguard. it was the masters last check if we see it ;)
Amazing. Is there sabre stuff like this too?
So beautiful…
Great find! thank you for sharing! Is there a saber version of this video?
I have the original 35mm film. I had it converted. So no, I have no saber version.
@@micromarty200 thanks for your reply. This video is really amazing. I reckon there must be a saber version because some time around 6 minutes the commentator says something about the feet being "as in saber" which would imply they have already talked about saber.
All sports evolve, but what happened to fencing is a tragedy. The sport might just as well be called something else because it has nothing in common with what it used to be only decades ago. In fact, I can’t think of any other sport that’s changed so much as to become ad unrecognizable as fencing. It’s a shame.
agreed, I used to love classic fencing--now its flicking and whirling your blue about
The referees took judgment of validity of priority upon themselves and away from the rules as written and thereby taking the power to select who passes onto higher rounds into their own hands. Follow the rules and make the attacker present the blade instead of hiding it, and all the grace will return.
7:50 🥇
8:00 🥈
7:32 💩
10:28 and following. Ouch. "Sixté"? It's just "sixte" ; there's no accent. "Secondé"? same thing; It's pronounced "Segond" in French. "Quarté"? Nope.
Too bad fencing isn't like that anymore
Why is it too bad?
Historical fencing is
Why?
This is essentially what I have been doing in my 6 years of fencing. I feel that modern fencing is fairly faithful to this. Unless you are referring to the pageantry, which I would say has been muffled. I feel that it is still just fine.
??? Fencing is pretty much still like this.
no BMI diversity .... :( :)