No complaints with a Walbo 460 on my end. It's been supporting 550rwhp on my 1JZ Soarer for at least 3 years now, using e85 and 98. I think they're a decent upgrade!
I was about to say the same, but then i thought how funny it would be if the center fold was Scotty doing some sexy pose from a random screen grab....!
Also, like the first guy said, youd get much more flow from your fuel pump if you upgraded the wiring that goes to it to around a 10 gauge wire with a 40A relay. I did that mod to my EJ8 Civic and it makes 709 whp on a single Walbro Hellcat 535cc fuel pump happily on E85.
Ive brought 2 walbro 255lph kits thaf came with a 45degree filter sock. Might be worth banging one in there to help with fuel surge which you made mention on previous vids.
awesome work, enjoying watching this series. Does the cold side need a bypass valve? i.e one of those procharger ones so it's not got super high vacuum at idle?
You need to march right back out and into the shop and slap the top of that regulator while saying the incantation "that ain't goin' nowhere" (or is that 'nowhere that goin' ain't' since you're in Australia?) you live on the edge, my friend, right there on the edge. :D
Nice to see a Shifter make its way back in again, Sure its an A/N Shifter but still...... Maybe an upgrade to Vice Grips? Superior ring lube skills too I noticed :-)
Scotty I'd chuck a bit of lock wire through the end of that circlip, sometimes they vibrate and rotate around while seated and then you'd never be able to get at it again
id only chuck a 4.2l if its a buick never stroke an ecotec. the deck height is alot lower on ecos so they don't like stroker kits. anyhow if you could find the 4.3l stroker they did back in the day they go way harder than the shit 4.2l
hey Scotty, you may need to upgrade your fuel pump wiring. i had the same 340l raceworks pump in my vp l67 and i was overdrawing on factory wiring, may possibly he some of your issue to! 20amp fuse was hot after 10 minutes of run time
Scotty have you been watching Richard Holdener? His l67 very similar to yours making 612hp at 14.5 pounds with big turbo. Not rear wheel hp obviously but jeez. Good things ahead for supermang fingers crossed.
Love this build so much. Missing the orange wagon and already miss the Ute series haha Out of curiosity would you be interested in selling the alloys that came with supermang ? I’m trying to put a vl calais back to factory set up and need the wheels haha
As long as you use the narva brand plastic joiners you shouldn't have an issue they're actually safe to be submersed in fuel, I have seen the cheaper ones melt the plastic and arc out inside tanks.
would the clip on a barra work for the fuel reg. When you put mini blizzard intercooler back on, would you put the log closer to inlet. trying it myself soon
How is the fuel return hose to the factory swirl pot inside the tank? The internal hose is prone to breaking off keeping the swirl pot emptyish....looking good!
We like the Ti/Walbro 360lph/450lph/525lph but have found with commodore and falcons the stock wiring gets hot and starts to drop in voltage which kills your flow again. 10 Gauge Tefzel wiring 30amp auto resetting fuse 30amp relay
Finger Out !! Binky basically done and still no 10 from Turbo Taxi !! Told you 2 years ago they'd beat you !!!! And even I can't believe that it may actually happen .....:):)
Hey Scotty would your fuel removal trick idea work for me? I have an L67 project thats been sitting for almost 5 years, so the fuel would've gone bad by now. So I wanted to remove the old fuel and put fresh fuel in before I start it up again and your method looks the easiest 👍 But would there be alot of contamination clogging up my fuel pump filter pumping out my 5yr old fuel?
Hi Scotty Im interested in how much it cost you so far in parts to get the supermang where it is ? why I ask I have a VY SV6 sitting in my drive not doing much, my son and I are thinking about building with a L67 and mods the same as the supermang ...we got to keep too budget tho ........ps. keep up the good work ..
Mace Engineering has the prices on their website. You can pick and choose what mods you can do, some of what we have done is future proofing and wouldn't be necessary for just 300rwhp.
Great informative episode mate. I think you may have a problem with those Electrical connectors. RED are E85 compatible. Dunno about those cheap blue ones lol 😂 Should be a great car once it’s on the road again.
Please extend your boost pipes!! Your silicone connectors sucking in is because your using them to make up so much length. There connectors. That's it.
Hey Scotty, good to see you back. Do you think the standard wiring will be up for the job? I changed the fuel system on my VY And the mechanic told me I needed to pay for upgraded wiring. Or did he just con another $400 out of me?
Sorry, it was so simple I didn't think it needed an in-depth explanation. Just make a short piece of wire with two blade connectors and pull the fuel pump relay. A little bit of trial an error will give you the result you need
I think its a bad move going to a tiny w2a cooler they dont work. I take it your using the mini cooler because the bigger intermediate plate is the same height as the a2a plate. Mini cooler is next to usesless at dropping air temps. It should already run 12s without. It needs diff gears and tuning and will be in the 12s.Keep what you got just find another bonnet. My iats are between 45-47 deg on average with a 55mm pulley and 5% overdrive. So a2a or hybrid work even better than the plates under the sc.
@@STREETMACHINETV i have seen some use the a/c cabin condenser in the water cooler to give extra chill between runs burnouts/staging then just flick it off for the run.
I have become quite fond of the old VN Supermang I want a t shirt if one comes out. I seen a VN T shirt at some shop here but it had a VN doing a burnout a VB logo on the side and a wacky tabacky leaf plus to top it off a Centrelink logo with some foolish slogan I didn't buy it coz of the wacky tabacky leaf I didn't want to walk around with that nor I thought a classic like a VN doesn't deserve someone putting a centrelink logo on it so not cool I would of got it without those two things being a VN one of the last legendary Holden Commodores but it was so sad people look at them like that but they are now too expensive for those on Centrelink soon rolling shells will be a fortune I rarely see them on the road their still out there but not many
@@STREETMACHINETV Happy to explain further :) Ignoring additional factors, equally rising mixtures of Fuel and air can be consider it a linear equation of output. I.e. a stock engine makes 200hp. In order to double the output you would double the air and double the fuel. So fuel regs.... They ensure the fuel rises and falls at a linear rate equivalent to manifold pressure as the injector need to overcome the additional pressure of forced induction. At 10psi manifold (25psi absolute) the reg would increase rails pressure 10psi above the base line set pressure. At idle -18psi manifold pressure, the reg would decrease rail pressure by 18psi. The reg is set at ambient (1 bar actual / atmospheric sea level) this is the baseline for all tuning of all ECUs. base pressure changes between engines but off the top the super mang is 50. Pcm flash forum should have a post somewhere with regards to holdens and the respective rail pressures. You did mention 3.5bar in you're video though.
@@MrNotStock hate to burst your bubble but rising rate regulator doesn't decrease fuel pressure with vaccum. You set the base and it rises with boost depending on the built in ratio. Not always 1:1 either. I've always set base pressure with engine running.
@@STREETMACHINETV no bubbles bursting here. Just a heads up to viewers. I'm constantly adjusting fuel regs that are set with the engine running. Most ECUs will adjust fuel over a couple days in the long term fuel trims, so no big deal I guess. Mainly becomes a problem in open loop fueling at higher power levels. 8yrs as an avionics tech, 3yrs full time tuning.
I'd really like to see Supermang get a single turbocharger with a 3800 NA intake manifold. I love the M90, but it could never compare to the power output that a turbo can produce on the L67. I'd never try to piss on your parade Scotty, but I'm a big fan of turbocharging.
I just got rid of my 2001 Honda Accord with a JDM J32A SOHC VTEC V6 with a 2003 Acura CL Type-S six speed manual and a GTS3582 turbo running on an AEM Series II 30-6051 standalone that was making 502 whp on around 10.5 psi. Those engines are similar to our USDM J32A2 and make 260 HP stock, but they're also 10.5:1 static compression while the L67 is 8.5:1, so with a turbo rather than a supercharger can EASILY make 500 whp (ask Richard Holdener on RUclips, he just compared a L67 turbo to blower). They are very capable V6s.
@@Brock_Landers Scotty comment's on Richards channel, he's very aware of his work. Plus Scott has been involved with modified commodore's since the late 90s, so he has seen the Ecotec power go up too
@@Low760 Thanks for the info bud. I watch Richard's channel every time I have the extra moment, but I don't see Scotty comment probably due to the limited time that I have to go through the comments. I know that Scotty knows what he's doing, I just can't help but to add my 2 cents sometimes...lmao Still, it's always cool to see guys chase after a certain horsepower number or a certain quarter mile time regardless of their setup.
Hey Scotty, I'm a fabricator by trade and would love to volunteer and help you guys out with anything you need! Located in the South-Eastern suburbs! I've sent street machine an email if you'd like to get into contact cheers!
I was thinking the same just after i wrote the comment, i guess the question shold be, is a sleeper build still a slepper when everyone knows the car? Given that the point for a sleeper is to be inconspicuous? Absolute semantics i know...but the question lingers.
Bit of bad design by the makers of the new regulator If they had made a bit of a snout on it to push the regulator back ten mill would have been good To get the pliers in Unbelievable 👍👍
No complaints with a Walbo 460 on my end. It's been supporting 550rwhp on my 1JZ Soarer for at least 3 years now, using e85 and 98. I think they're a decent upgrade!
Watching Carnage in the morning to get the juices flowing, love it 😁👍🏼
Love the Mang, really is a cool car, think those Haulass crazy dudes are coming for the Mang, going to be great fun to watch.
Adapt....overcome....improvise!!!
JOB DONE !
Good stuff Scotty old son.
Cheers from Sydney yet again.
🇭🇲🐨🦘🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🦘🐨🇭🇲
An xr8 bonnet bulge would look mint only if it made a difference in clearance
Also you’re one of the most relatable guys on the youtubes. 👍🏼
Ok you got me at the Blinky reference ! Well played .... much lols.
Coming along well, Scotty. Sleeper, right. Blower noise might be a give away. But I like anyway. Well done.
Great work as always Scotty, I love to see it! Keep it up mate!
Scotty is a Binky fan too you mad man!!!! To everyone out there STRAYA!!! Get on the Wednesday beers👍🍻
Meow! Supermang actually sounds alot better then i expected with that buick 3.6
holden v6
coming along well there Scotty, and that super charge whine, mmmmmmmm!
Loved the little detail.
Now i'm excited for the next episode of BOM, just to see if they still read "welding for dummies" or streetmachine magazine.
Thanks for noticing
I was about to say the same, but then i thought how funny it would be if the center fold was Scotty doing some sexy pose from a random screen grab....!
Love the binky reference, thanks Scotty!
Keep it up scotty great work your doing on the old m90 and l67
Oh man those hoses sucking in cracks me up every time
Us too
Also, like the first guy said, youd get much more flow from your fuel pump if you upgraded the wiring that goes to it to around a 10 gauge wire with a 40A relay. I did that mod to my EJ8 Civic and it makes 709 whp on a single Walbro Hellcat 535cc fuel pump happily on E85.
I also need to learn to watch the entire video first before I add my opinions...lmao
21:12 Sounds like we're on Choomah Island on The Big Lez Show 😂
Love these videos.. especially considering we are building our L67 VS utes.. Just fitting a W2A to ours and reservoir in the back and heat exchanger.
Ive brought 2 walbro 255lph kits thaf came with a 45degree filter sock. Might be worth banging one in there to help with fuel surge which you made mention on previous vids.
awesome work, enjoying watching this series. Does the cold side need a bypass valve? i.e one of those procharger ones so it's not got super high vacuum at idle?
"hotter than a junkies teaspoon" best thing i ever hear this man say...!
Hi mate. From a retired Holden mechanic. The pump should be vertical and in its swirl pot
Well done scotty, keep up the great work mate, cant wait till shes on the dyno and maybe the USA has better intercoolers for that engine combo?
You need to march right back out and into the shop and slap the top of that regulator while saying the incantation "that ain't goin' nowhere" (or is that 'nowhere that goin' ain't' since you're in Australia?) you live on the edge, my friend, right there on the edge. :D
those silicon tubes are funky
I love how it’s never a sure thing with you mate very real 🤙
We make it up as we go along, things happen, plans change, adapt, improvise! :)
Oh that b.o.m centerfold gave me a bit of a giggle.those lads sure know how to make a bracket
They love a bracket
Nice to see a Shifter make its way back in again, Sure its an A/N Shifter but still......
Maybe an upgrade to Vice Grips?
Superior ring lube skills too I noticed :-)
Scotty I'd chuck a bit of lock wire through the end of that circlip, sometimes they vibrate and rotate around while seated and then you'd never be able to get at it again
nice work on the pump and reg mate 👌
Definitely get a 4.2L stroker kit in the future 👌
id only chuck a 4.2l if its a buick never stroke an ecotec. the deck height is alot lower on ecos so they don't like stroker kits. anyhow if you could find the 4.3l stroker they did back in the day they go way harder than the shit 4.2l
Everytime I see those intake hoses collapse on vaccuum I just got to chuckle!!
Yeah buddy, always good to see another video from you guys! Good job :)
Missed some prime opportunities to set shit on fire Scotty, the old you would have cut that flange on the car and then put the fire out! 🔥
hey Scotty, you may need to upgrade your fuel pump wiring. i had the same 340l raceworks pump in my vp l67 and i was overdrawing on factory wiring, may possibly he some of your issue to! 20amp fuse was hot after 10 minutes of run time
Scotty have you been watching Richard Holdener? His l67 very similar to yours making 612hp at 14.5 pounds with big turbo. Not rear wheel hp obviously but jeez. Good things ahead for supermang fingers crossed.
Might need to look into upgrading your fuel pump wiring to boys
I think the intercooler position is awesome boss
whine mang ! That drinks what it wants E85 BP98 . Gotta love flex fuel Haltech Mace Crowcams ? (scotty ?) Noice
Love this build so much. Missing the orange wagon and already miss the Ute series haha
Out of curiosity would you be interested in selling the alloys that came with supermang ? I’m trying to put a vl calais back to factory set up and need the wheels haha
How much are you offering?
@@STREETMACHINETV if they’re not curbed up and in good nick I’d be happy to do $400-$500 no tires ?
As long as you use the narva brand plastic joiners you shouldn't have an issue they're actually safe to be submersed in fuel, I have seen the cheaper ones melt the plastic and arc out inside tanks.
would the clip on a barra work for the fuel reg. When you put mini blizzard intercooler back on, would you put the log closer to inlet. trying it myself soon
welcome back scooty
Love your work Scotty
How is the fuel return hose to the factory swirl pot inside the tank? The internal hose is prone to breaking off keeping the swirl pot emptyish....looking good!
Scotty always chipping away at the projects
Way to go
Those silicon joiners seem legit haha
They're hilarious
We like the Ti/Walbro 360lph/450lph/525lph but have found with commodore and falcons the stock wiring gets hot and starts to drop in voltage which kills your flow again.
10 Gauge Tefzel wiring
30amp auto resetting fuse
30amp relay
Thanks for the tip
Any time guys ✌️
That magazine didn't look like a Street machine mag. Scotty😁
you need to tig weld up some pipe for those silicon joiners scotty haha #weldporn
If anyone needs more Mang content Corn Fed Boost youtube has a wild setup, keep Manging Scotty 🔥🌶🌶
Awesome content brother keep up the hard work, how is your son by the way I’m sure long time followers would like an update if not too personal
He's good, just getting bigger all the time
Finger Out !! Binky basically done and still no 10 from Turbo Taxi !! Told you 2 years ago they'd beat you !!!! And even I can't believe that it may actually happen .....:):)
Hey Scotty would your fuel removal trick idea work for me? I have an L67 project thats been sitting for almost 5 years, so the fuel would've gone bad by now.
So I wanted to remove the old fuel and put fresh fuel in before I start it up again and your method looks the easiest 👍 But would there be alot of contamination clogging up my fuel pump filter pumping out my 5yr old fuel?
You can only try
Did you end up keep the Boost Solenoid for this build?
No, we don't run a boost solenoid
Hi Scotty Im interested in how much it cost you so far in parts to get the supermang where it is ? why I ask I have a VY SV6 sitting in my drive not doing much, my son and I are thinking about building with a L67 and mods the same as the supermang ...we got to keep too budget tho ........ps. keep up the good work ..
Mace Engineering has the prices on their website. You can pick and choose what mods you can do, some of what we have done is future proofing and wouldn't be necessary for just 300rwhp.
-An wrenches? Come on man you know you wanted to grab 2 pliers
Great informative episode mate. I think you may have a problem with those Electrical connectors. RED are E85 compatible. Dunno about those cheap blue ones lol 😂 Should be a great car once it’s on the road again.
Haha
Ah, but what we got here is a permanent temporary solution.
the red ones go feaster...
Please extend your boost pipes!! Your silicone connectors sucking in is because your using them to make up so much
length. There connectors. That's it.
They're temporary
Big loss in horsepower right there
I’d be curious as to how one of those Snow Performance water/methanol injection kits would help intake temps as opposed to traditional intercooling.
In my experience they're not as effective as intercooling
Supermang sounds like an angry confused ghost 👻
Hey Scotty, good to see you back. Do you think the standard wiring will be up for the job? I changed the fuel system on my VY And the mechanic told me I needed to pay for upgraded wiring. Or did he just con another $400 out of me?
Upgrading the wiring will future proof it
@@STREETMACHINETV I would rather be looking at it than looking for it.
Should've just done a 525 and be done with it....lol. Although the spare 525 intank does well in the VX LS1 so I left the 460 in the 355....
I think you should show how to bridge that fuel relay. Little tricks like that are helpful
Sorry, it was so simple I didn't think it needed an in-depth explanation. Just make a short piece of wire with two blade connectors and pull the fuel pump relay. A little bit of trial an error will give you the result you need
Good idea if your a dickhead like me and accidentally puts petrol in his diesel 😂
In tank fuel pumps a sure way to find a problem
I think its a bad move going to a tiny w2a cooler they dont work. I take it your using the mini cooler because the bigger intermediate plate is the same height as the a2a plate. Mini cooler is next to usesless at dropping air temps.
It should already run 12s without. It needs diff gears and tuning and will be in the 12s.Keep what you got just find another bonnet. My iats are between 45-47 deg on average with a 55mm pulley and 5% overdrive. So a2a or hybrid work even better than the plates under the sc.
If it doesn't work, we always have the barrel cooler set-up
@@STREETMACHINETV I can tell you straight up it wont.
@@STREETMACHINETV i have seen some use the a/c cabin condenser in the water cooler to give extra chill between runs burnouts/staging then just flick it off for the run.
Question! i have been after a boot gas strut for my 2004 Berlina Vz Holden Commodore seems i can't find one are they rare now?
Too late model for me, maybe one of our viewers can help out
Try Adrian Moore suspension at Gladesville Sydney. He got me one for a VR years ago.
Scotty please change those silicone couplers they're giving me anxiety 😂😅
I would have loved to watch this build from 1st episode to lady but there is no way to follow episodes 🤷🏽♂️
There's a whole playlist. Just search for Supermang
love the whine.
VN = Very Nice
Hell yeah
12's are 😎
I have become quite fond of the old VN Supermang I want a t shirt if one comes out. I seen a VN T shirt at some shop here but it had a VN doing a burnout a VB logo on the side and a wacky tabacky leaf plus to top it off a Centrelink logo with some foolish slogan I didn't buy it coz of the wacky tabacky leaf I didn't want to walk around with that nor I thought a classic like a VN doesn't deserve someone putting a centrelink logo on it so not cool I would of got it without those two things being a VN one of the last legendary Holden Commodores but it was so sad people look at them like that but they are now too expensive for those on Centrelink soon rolling shells will be a fortune I rarely see them on the road their still out there but not many
Hopefully the bosses will let us do some more Carnage merch this year
For anyone who see's this comment. Fuel regs are adjusted with the engine off fuel pump on, this important if you want the engine to run as intended.
Hadn't heard that before
@@STREETMACHINETV Happy to explain further :) Ignoring additional factors, equally rising mixtures of Fuel and air can be consider it a linear equation of output.
I.e. a stock engine makes 200hp. In order to double the output you would double the air and double the fuel.
So fuel regs.... They ensure the fuel rises and falls at a linear rate equivalent to manifold pressure as the injector need to overcome the additional pressure of forced induction.
At 10psi manifold (25psi absolute) the reg would increase rails pressure 10psi above the base line set pressure.
At idle -18psi manifold pressure, the reg would decrease rail pressure by 18psi.
The reg is set at ambient (1 bar actual / atmospheric sea level) this is the baseline for all tuning of all ECUs. base pressure changes between engines but off the top the super mang is 50. Pcm flash forum should have a post somewhere with regards to holdens and the respective rail pressures. You did mention 3.5bar in you're video though.
@@MrNotStock hate to burst your bubble but rising rate regulator doesn't decrease fuel pressure with vaccum. You set the base and it rises with boost depending on the built in ratio. Not always 1:1 either. I've always set base pressure with engine running.
@@STREETMACHINETV no bubbles bursting here. Just a heads up to viewers.
I'm constantly adjusting fuel regs that are set with the engine running. Most ECUs will adjust fuel over a couple days in the long term fuel trims, so no big deal I guess. Mainly becomes a problem in open loop fueling at higher power levels.
8yrs as an avionics tech, 3yrs full time tuning.
@@MrNotStock, You have that much experience ,but you thought that a fuel pressure regulator reduces fuel pressure under base at idle (vacuum).
I'd really like to see Supermang get a single turbocharger with a 3800 NA intake manifold. I love the M90, but it could never compare to the power output that a turbo can produce on the L67. I'd never try to piss on your parade Scotty, but I'm a big fan of turbocharging.
I just got rid of my 2001 Honda Accord with a JDM J32A SOHC VTEC V6 with a 2003 Acura CL Type-S six speed manual and a GTS3582 turbo running on an AEM Series II 30-6051 standalone that was making 502 whp on around 10.5 psi. Those engines are similar to our USDM J32A2 and make 260 HP stock, but they're also 10.5:1 static compression while the L67 is 8.5:1, so with a turbo rather than a supercharger can EASILY make 500 whp (ask Richard Holdener on RUclips, he just compared a L67 turbo to blower). They are very capable V6s.
@@Brock_Landers Scotty comment's on Richards channel, he's very aware of his work. Plus Scott has been involved with modified commodore's since the late 90s, so he has seen the Ecotec power go up too
@@Low760 Thanks for the info bud. I watch Richard's channel every time I have the extra moment, but I don't see Scotty comment probably due to the limited time that I have to go through the comments. I know that Scotty knows what he's doing, I just can't help but to add my 2 cents sometimes...lmao Still, it's always cool to see guys chase after a certain horsepower number or a certain quarter mile time regardless of their setup.
why 45 psi, and not 50-51 psi?
3.5 bar = 50.7psi,
4 bar = 58psi
Just an initial setting, haven't decided yet what final setting will be. Well decide that on the dyno
Im putting l67 into ej holden anyone got vn vp intermediate shaft
Another closet Project Binky fan!
Mang on.
Hey Scotty, I'm a fabricator by trade and would love to volunteer and help you guys out with anything you need! Located in the South-Eastern suburbs! I've sent street machine an email if you'd like to get into contact cheers!
I'll check out the email
Bosch 044 pump 42lb injectors,yella terra fuel rails with reg built into the rail problem solved
Is it still a sleeper when everyone knows the car Scotty?
The same could be said for any sleeper ever built
I was thinking the same just after i wrote the comment, i guess the question shold be, is a sleeper build still a slepper when everyone knows the car?
Given that the point for a sleeper is to be inconspicuous? Absolute semantics i know...but the question lingers.
Um... why the hell your intake sucking shut on idle?🤔🥴
Because it's after the throttle body
Bit of bad design by the makers of the new regulator
If they had made a bit of a snout on it to push the regulator back ten mill would have been good
To get the pliers in
Unbelievable 👍👍
It was designed for Barra engines which use the same factory regulator design but the retaining clip goes in through the side
❤️😁👍🤘
thats the same style reg as ford uses. get one off a xr turbo.
yep, but they are limited in how much they can ultimately flow
Yes haha first to like 👌🏼
Why slam doors?Push to close why not yanks slam the doors be tough Aussies with control.
R vp wagons too heavy for drags.thumbs up if any1 has seen 1
Haha hes building one.a lexan fuckn legend
#florencevsupermang
K swap
This desperately needs to be on e85
It is on E85
@@STREETMACHINETV sorry blank memory lol
Those joiners really need to go... it's not even funny anymore. Well maybe a little.
They work. I thought more people would be unhappy with the hose clamp to be honest
Look up zzp proformance they got fuel rails for l67
Do they fit RWD L67? Alot of their stuff doesn't