The real person who exploited rap was Miley Cyrus. She did a whole album with Mike-Will-Made-It just to denounce the whole genre but no one talks about that
Thank you! I remember when she did that interview in that magazine when she was making a country album and it’s like no one ever cared. I was surprised
Post Malone is one of the most obvious cases of using hiphop as a gateway. As soon as he got to a certain point he took the braids out of his hair and became a rockstar. Cut the BS
So why get the braids, face tats & grill? Same shit Tom McDonald & Jelly Roll have done. It's easy picking for them. They use OUR culture then pivot once they get the stardom.
@@FOE_AMbecause he got famous and could afford all of it, just because he’s not a slave to your favourite art form doesn’t make him a culture vulture, he’s just fucking talented and you’re hiding behind black guilt and a fake sense of culture to try and put him down.
2:44 No I don't think so because "Hollywood's Bleeding" was very alternative heavy metal. B&B was a healthy rock/pop mix w songs like "rockstar", "Over Now", "Better Now". And Post has always said he wanted to do a heavily country influenced record and I think he's been slowly giving his fans that for years w songs like "Feeling Whitney" "Myself" and "Lemon Tree".
Before Post blew up. He always made all types of music. White Iverson song just happened to be the one that caught on. Labels are going to push what's hot. He rode the wave like he was supposed to. Now he's free to do whatever he wants musically. I don't understand why everything has to be "culture vulture" type of shit
@KDJMin While agree it started as black culture. Hip Hop is also in the music (business) and is "black" through a white lense. Jews to be exact. They're the ones that handpicked what was going to be marketed and promoted the most. Also the biggest supporters of hip hop for many years was whites and Asians. If post came out in the 80s or early 90s I would've probably agreed with you. But in the 2000s come on man that shit is global now.
@KDJMin hip hop is a business, the street is the culture, hip hop was bought by mostly whites, if blacks only bought the music and went to their shows their music wouldn't be bragging about mansions, they'd need a second job or maybe sell crack on the side
@@mattycampy hip hop at the root is us telling the world our culture/experiences on a rhythm or beat. It’s fair to say a lot of other music is our culture explained too. The Jews pay us to tell it to the world who (mostly out of our race) consume it.
@@KevinDavisJrMinugh...actually if you do your research Hip Hop culture was started by black AND Latino Americans in NYC specifically the Bronx borough! So if anything it's a black and brown invented music genre!
Can't say he exploited a genre he never claimed to be apart of besides that he's still tapped in with all the rappers who had a hand in making him the star he became. The man was on Howard Stern not long ago shoutin out Key! who's one of the most known unknowns out of ATL for the buzz he helped build just before white Iverson dropped. He ain't have to do that. It's no different than Uzi and Carti pulling inspiration from the punk rock realm
I don't think it's about dropping Hip Hop now that he's famous. I think artists these days don't want to stay in one lane. It's kind of the same as Doja Cat, MGK, Nicki, Wayne, Drake, Beyoncé even.. they want to have a broad catalog.
Post has always been an alternative rock artist, since he was in Grapevine. Rap music was becoming super popular so he hopped on. Now that he's established he can do what he wants. Alternative rock/contemporary melodic rap.
No this is why when he first came out he said don't just call him a rapper and everybody clowned him, saying GTFO of hip hop. Now he drop a "non hip hop" album and ni99as wanna clown him for that lol. He can't win 🤦🏿♂️🙄
@jumpsurfer Rock has been minding its own business for a long time now. Hip-Hop is the one that acts holier than though and requires non-black people to come in and act accordingly. Requiring non-black artists to walk on eggshells lest they be branded culture vultures who exploit black people. Newsflash: EVERYONE IS A CULTURE VULTURE! There isn't a genre of music that hasn't been stolen from one place or another. Indian, Middle Eastern, Far East Asian, Caribbean, Hispanic & Latin. Tell me a genre that hasn't ripped from another...I'll wait.
He came out trying to do that soft rock shit and didn't pop. Then he got some cornrows and a grill and started rapping. Now he's doing soft rock again. Call a spade a spade.
@@tapsunofficial Says the person who clearly doesn’t understand the nuance of music and art in general. No one cares tha you don’t like post Malone. You can’t even tell me how he’s treated hip hop unfairly or selfishly. If you wanna talk about EXPLOITING hip hop, black people do it more than anyone else. You worried about what conversations I’m a part of when you should be learning to participate in having a seat. 💺
@@tapsunofficialif y’all are making it about race and culture then that’s on you yes it does have culture and is dominated by one race over another but at the end of the day it’s music and can be explored and made by whoever and I feel that way about all genres idc who makes it I can understand what he said years ago wasn’t the best look but man just makes music he likes and hip hop and rap are genres he likes as well hence why you still hear elements even in this album of hip hop in there if you make the music more about culture and race then yes you will see it in a way different light but to me that’s a part of it but the music itself is the most important part and if you do it justice to the culture
Post knows he would've sold more had he released another Hiphop inspired album or even gone country as that's what people told him to do for two years now. It's clear he's making whatever he feels like in the moment.
Or maybe Post Malone is done with a genre that has grown adults fighting and beefing all the time!! Hip Hop is so immature with all these adults beefing over stupid stuff!
Not he's a vulture who dickrode the biggest genre in the world because nobody wanted to hear his shitty metalcore emo music and now is using his celebrity to shovel shitty music down the throats of the followers hed attained from a genre of music he's never cared for. Lol. Sums it up...
@@Actuallytimwayngacysee how you automatically thought he was talking about black people even though he mentioned no race at all? Says a lot. Black culture is the worst.
So let me get this right? Because he's made an album with a different sound, which many MANY artists have done before y'all are saying he's exploiting hip hop? The dude has said he's in a different place in his life now and he's vibing with this kinda music. Appreciate it for what it is! I personally love it and I've liked all his other music too
He started as a rock guy that didn't work so he switched to rap. Then immediately after his first album went to a different sound. Some may say like ish said he's inspired by alot or he appropriated hip hop to get to a place where he can switch back to what he originally wanted to do. Glass half full or half empty deal here just depends on perspective
Some of post biggest songs has a rapper or rnb artist on it. We as a majority have to accept the music like everyone else before anyone has the opportunity to take advantage
@@DatBoyStrizzyit does I get that but many people do it so I don’t get why he has to be put in a box but we let other hip hop artist explore idc what any artist does music is art and is meant to be explored I just dislike when mfs try to put artist in only one box if the fucking migos did a rock album I’d listen to it lmao to me this was just stupid to bring up man like hip hop and wanted to make that I agree with what you’re saying just more meant the video
Exactly, dudes been a vulture. I ain't forget not even 5 years before he went to hip-hop he was a emo metal head in a metalcore band. Not a rap bone in his body 😂
"What I was trying to say is that a lot of people, except for a handful of artists, are saying the same shit, they're not saying anything super meaningful" And at the time he was not wrong. He can say that now and it's still not wrong
@@SoFloWill817That's music in general, ya gotta weed tha bullshit to get to the good. He just said some dumb shit and tried to walk it back is all. But that was like...the dumbest shit you could say when your authenticity is bein questioned. 🤷🏽♂️
He admitted to using hip-hop. He wanted to be a rock artist, but wanted to get on so he used hip-hop. Pink did the same thing and LA Reid told her to use R&B to pivot to Rock
You can infer it given any number of his statements like...“If you’re looking for lyrics, if you’re looking to cry, if you’re looking to think about life, don’t listen to hip-hop,” OR when he used hip hop as a spring board BUT makes the distinction (in white spaces) that he isn't a rapper. Yet, he doesn't say anything when placed in the rap/hip-hop category for awards
@@vaporizer13 Post has been doing a mix of genres since before he became mainstream. There was a point where he was in a metal band, a rock band, and obviously points where he has rapped. NONE of his albums have ever been fully hiphop if you actually care to listen to them. He sings melodically and taps in to a bunch of different genres. Sure he said something really fucking dumb years ago, but to hold that over his head when he’s had hiphop artists on his 2022 record, released songs like Insane and I cannot be on that same album and have the nerve to say that he used it and left is just fucking dumb. There’s a reason he didn’t want to be an xxl freshman and it’s because he’s never identified with the label of a rapper because he’s always done a mix of things, even before he was famous. Edit: wanted to add that he was featured on a Youngboy track earlier this year and was on YG’s album last year as well. But according to y’all he exploited hiphop and abandoned it once he got popular enough to do other shit.
@@golden_beast7924 he was only ever a rock artist and when that didn't take he tried hip-hop and that's how we got White Iverson. Just because he paid for rappers to feature on his music does disqualify him from his vulture tendencies. That is exactly how exploitation works. Plenty of hip hop acts have sung melodically and tapped into "a bunch of different genres" for decades now. Hell he isn't even the first to use hip-hop in order to pivot back to rock (because he couldn't make it in the genre). Kid rock did it and so did Fred Durst (to an extent)
Man the hate for Post is so gross. The man is just talented and makes different types of music. And he happens to be white. Drake stay doing the same thing but nobody bats an eye. Let him live man.
everyone needs to understand that the from 2016 era to now artists have no barriers and cross & mix genres, it’s called versatility. that’s the future of hip hop and music. ppl still looking at it as black & white need to get with the times. it’s not the 90s anymore. hip hop is a international melting pot of different cultures, styles, subgenres.
@@HN-fb6md there are plenty of white artists with cornrows and dreads in 2024. nobody gives a fuck and cancel culture doesn’t exist in real life. touch grass
@@terryhampso5800 because he wants to be a rock star. They market him as hip hop when it’s obvious he doesn’t make hip hop music. Yet he goes around to all the hip hop station well at least he used to. So I find it funny how these dudes sneak in the door of hip hop because they either aren’t talented enough or privileged to go make the music they want to
Why do people keep bringing up Justin Timberlake? Dude's been rnb/hip-hop sense nsync. Was featured on tons of black rnb artist's an rappers...has every single solo album made an produced by black producers. Even man of the woods was made by Timbaland an Pharrell an was full of rnb. When did he denouce or drop the sound?
I would say the issue with Post is that it’s more on the lines of Justin Timberlake. Hes always talked about incorporating everything to his music or doing new things, but fam he could make some fire rap joints
An artist can do whatever they want. They don't have to stay put or be stagnant to prove something to anyone. Hip hop, the world, and the universe is expansive. If we don't like ...move on to another ...and maybe meet again at some point. Or not. Respect.
Im not a post Malone fan in the context of ive heard all his albums or have a playlist of him.....ive liked 10-15 songs of his over the years..... But what I've seen from him is not ever been strictly hip-hop.... He's played guitar singing acoustic, made pop songs, made rap songs, made emo songs...... I never viewed him as a rap artist he always came off to me as a " musician" or artist that expresses himself different ways... I never viewed him as a rapper and I dont think hip-hop fans really did either...... Especially in today's era of music where you have country music with trap beats on the radio and one of the most popular songs of the last 2 years in "hip-hop supposedly" was Nas x in tbe old town road where its got a acoustic guitar and an 808.....with billy Ray Cyrus......nelly doing songs with the other group who for whatever reason yhe name i cant think of but i know a bunch of their songs....fkn....idk what the name is but they made that Cruise song...... Whatever anyways long story short music has meshed so much across-the-board that most artists aren't stuck in one genre anymore especially these young kids, it won't be long before you hear ice spice on Pop radio or top 40 shit....
So let’s talk about Tyler let’s talk about ye let’s talk about uzi let’s talk about all these guys who started hip hop and now make completely different music and different vibes in their projects what’s wrong with that many artists in hip hop do it why can’t we just appreciate the music they make instead of making it something bigger than you’re making it out to be
Post did what anybody in his position would've done. He never said he was a hip hop artist. He can do all sorts of types of music. Just like beastie boys did the punk thing, got hot with hip-hop, went back to punk, and never bad mouthed either side
I am not in a rabbit hole. This is how I feel about this guy. Lil Dicky did the same thing and I was a fan of his short rap run. Stopped did the show supported that and didn't get music for 4 seasons of a show just for him to return and drop some mid ass music. EMPHASIS on the "ass music" Post dropped rap and then claimed he was not a rapper. Wild stuff.
MGK another example of someone jumping ships. But that doesn’t necessarily make it a bad thing. There just artist that can make different style of music.
I’ve never really considered post Malone as “hip hop” anyway. He’s always mostly been pop and he pulls inspirations from everywhere and has his own unique sound. He’s in a lane of his own. And I think it’s really telling when ppl only call out white boys for changing up their sound. No one said lil Wayne was appropriating punk culture when he made his revival album. Trying to put ppl in a box musically is so lame.
So because post Malone does more genres than just hip hop he’s exploiting hip hop for popularity? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I’m not a post Fan but make that make sense 🤣🤣
Honestly it’s a great way to market yourself since a young black man succeeding in country is as uncommon as a white dude succeeding in hip hop. Lil Nas X got himself out there and now he’s making the music he wants to make
@@zakbutz8226wrong there's been one black country singer who's made it successfully in the coubtry music genre! The lead singer from Hootie & The Blowfish!
I am sorry but if you are going to hate on a guy for dropping what he love, then you need to look at yourself why do you gate keep shlt like hip hop is some holy grail that will be gone if someone uses it wrong? He is literally just a versatile artist and makes what he like and saying that he exploits hip hop is just stupid.
Pretty clear he did.. white iverson buddy was in corn rolls, gold teeth , and dancing like he was with the culture. He played the role then shifted. Alt rock artist that got with hip hop producers when SoundCloud rappers were a thing and used that to blow. He even said he didn’t want to be called a rapper.
But yet still has people of the culture on the songs help rappers too like roddy just cause he change his taste a bit more doesn’t mean he still doesn’t have rap elements and other rappers in his shit last album he had rap songs in there this album he has close to one man still loves hip hop and has elements in there I just don’t get why he’s the only one who gets this perception but hey it’s whatever that’s just how you see it
Yeah parks wouldn't like that conversation because he understands what's really being said of the white men at the center of the conversation. It's the reason why y'all will always be guest in this house and why artist like Mac Miller and Eminem deserves more respect from black folk that may not listen to their music. We know when you're using us and he made clear long ago he doesn't respect the genre he milked to get famous. The end.
Anyone, but especially white folks who rap (just for financial gains) are frowned upon. However when black folks do the same, it's all cool or never talked about. Lil Wayne made a rock album and then switched back to rap, no white folks talking about him using the genre just for money. Guess lil nas is a culture vulture too for that country song. So many other black artist switched genres too... This nonsense about it being "our" genre and whitey should leave it alone is racializing music and it's ridicoulous. Music genres arent owned by anyone, they can be used by anyone however they please.
Post Malone just enjoys making music after yachty made a concept album I can’t blame post Malone for switching up genres to experiment he’ll probably do a rap album and pop album again let the man cook 👨🍳
Why is it when artist who aren’t black make hip hop and are successful, they’re “exploiting”? If Post or anybody else wants to make hip hop then rock then pop and back to hip hop again, they can. He’s just influenced by a lot of music
Don't you dare come on here with facts and reasonable arguments. Joe Budden and his acolytes don't play that s***. You better take your intellectual arguments elsewhere.
That's not true at all. No one (or at least very few) ever said Eminem or Mac Miller were exploiting hip hop. And it's not just non-black artists, anyone who shows an indifference to the history and culture of hip hop has and will get accused of exploiting the genre.
@aychbhomas6608 No other genre requires you to learn the history of its origins. The nerve of you, thinking Hip-Hop has to have such a prerequisite. Everyone either exploits or gets exploited in the music industry. So, I say let the chips fall where they may. If I went into music, I'd exploit the s*** out of Hip-Hop. Because I can't sing, can't play musical instruments and I don't have the looks to be in a boy band like One Direction. My only pathway would be Hip-Hop because I've been listening to rap for most of my life and I can spit a little. I would rap for a little while and provided I'm successful. I'd ride that wave until I'm bored of it. That's life. Black people and their culture aren't any more special than other cultures.
@@kh7688 It's not just a hip hop thing, the same thing happened in country with Lil nas x; country fans were upset because he showed no genuine respect for the genre. Also, I've been in a death metal band and been around circles of jazz, folk music, and EDM artists and you got no respect from ANY of them if you didn't have decent knowledge of some of the greats of their respective genre. As far as you making it a race thing, that's your own cross to bear my friend.
Joe is the most jealous person and ppl don't speak about this enough...u can detect hatred in his voice😢😢😢hip hop is not for black ppl to gatekeep if they want too then they should own it to prove that it's really theirs to gatekeep...
When you change sounds and genres that totally fine. But when you start to denounce it and act like you’ve never heard of the culture then yah you did. And ppl like him and Miley Cyrus did that. A lot of yt artists HAVENT done that but they did. And also knowing exactly where Post is from cuz I’m from North Texas too, his whole brand was fake as hell the first time he came out.
non of the rap artist is as big as taylor swift , lady gaga, britney in her days, adelle, and whatever pop artist so they dont need hip hop plus, lets not forget, its white kids that make artist rich not black kids! if he wasnt popping in whatever he was doing and was smart enough to to get popping doing something else to get to what he wanted to do, thats just called being smart which no one would ever accuse you of!!! stop being ignant and get with the program. white kids bought his music, not you so why do you care !!
post malon isnt a rapper hes an musician ................ thats where yall got it fucked up stop comparing him to rappers and other rappers artist lol post malon is just a artist who makes music that he wants
He definitely exploited hiphop. before post used hiphop to get on he was dancing in pum pum shorts to go viral on RUclips. After he gained the hip hop audience from white Iverson he said he doesn’t even listen to rap.
When has he said he hasn’t listened to rap that just sounds stupid to even say even when he still makes hip hop music and made music with other rappers
I mean yea but let’s be real nothing we can do. But I listened to it his whole style be getting whiter and whiter. Not saying anything but he clearly flipped the script. And yeah Travis dropped a banger and cardi and offset dropping with the media stuff was perfect.
Definitely Kid Rock. That Mother Father did a 180 and only revealed that was who he was. The majority not old enough to remember him on MTV posing as a Rapper and played every instrument on the MTV stage.
He came out with braids and grillz, singing White Iverson after making the music he’s making now and not being able to blow initially, why are they acting so clueless?
@@Noirlore Grillz were pioneered by hip hop and braids is a black hairstyle worn primarily by black people like IVERSON, you literally repeated my point verbatim take your stupidity somewhere else please.
I don't think he did cause his career reminds me of Justin Bieber cause if you look at Justin in 2009 he was doing pop music and now Justin is rapping on some beats that's what I think Post is doing in 2016 it was Hip Hop but now its Alternative Rock and Pop and I see the pop that Post did on the album remind me of 2009 Justin Bieber
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The real person who exploited rap was Miley Cyrus. She did a whole album with Mike-Will-Made-It just to denounce the whole genre but no one talks about that
They all follow the same blueprint. Justin Bieber did the same shit
@@rationalconsumer6469people like Bieber and Post never denounced the genre tho. Miley straight up denounced it
Bangerz was a great album Lmao, we love Hannah Montana
@@rationalconsumer6469justin bieber needed to move away from the druggies that was in his circle, he still fuk with the music tho
Thank you! I remember when she did that interview in that magazine when she was making a country album and it’s like no one ever cared. I was surprised
He literally said on The Breakfast Club that he wasnt a rapper & was on hiphop because what he wanted to do wasnt accepted.
Is that why he got braids, tats & a grill?!!? Then, after using hip-hop as a tool he pivots to saying *"Now I can do what I really love."* FOH 😂😂😂😂
@@FOE_AMWhat is it the braids!!!! 🤣
“Accepted” = Professional by white standards
Post Malone is one of the most obvious cases of using hiphop as a gateway. As soon as he got to a certain point he took the braids out of his hair and became a rockstar. Cut the BS
How? He still features with loads of hip hop artists 🧑🏽🎨 😂
Bruh hes balding. If course he cut his braids
They gave him heat for having it, what do you want the man to do.
You people know nothing he’s a every genre artist which is rare he still raps and has hip hop songs
MGK was the biggest let down I really was calling him the next Eminem overzealous sure but he had me in my bag and then he went emo
Shout out to Post for dropping a great album and sticking to his sound. He is in his own lane he doesn’t care about dropping with anyone
he aint in his own lane the album did not do that good for his standards lit ep
Bro that thing was trash af
@@alexsar6324no it wasn’t, you only listen to rap ofc you would say this 😂
@@TharsanJeyachandranhave you even heard the album no features and it’s way better than Utopia not to mention he made this album in 3 weeks
@@TharsanJeyachandranu sound dumb
Post has been saying he isn't a hip hop artist since day one
So why get the braids, face tats & grill? Same shit Tom McDonald & Jelly Roll have done. It's easy picking for them. They use OUR culture then pivot once they get the stardom.
@@FOE_AMbecause he got famous and could afford all of it, just because he’s not a slave to your favourite art form doesn’t make him a culture vulture, he’s just fucking talented and you’re hiding behind black guilt and a fake sense of culture to try and put him down.
@@nobody4732 “black guilt” yeah stfu. they not like us
Naw stop the cap. That man came out looking like Midwest asap yams and you think its cuz he had the money😂
@FOE_AM because it's stylish Billie eiilish isn't hip hop right? She dresses just like them
If you listen to more than one genre of music it’s not that big of a deal
Nah apparently to this mfs you should be a one track mind 😂😂😂😂
You missed the point bro
They are wrong and strong 😂@@MysticalLlama
2:44 No I don't think so because "Hollywood's Bleeding" was very alternative heavy metal. B&B was a healthy rock/pop mix w songs like "rockstar", "Over Now", "Better Now". And Post has always said he wanted to do a heavily country influenced record and I think he's been slowly giving his fans that for years w songs like "Feeling Whitney" "Myself" and "Lemon Tree".
Myself is not country lmao
@@samranger5191 not completely
literally i neer felt like his music was rap ever. It never had the rap/hiphop vibe except for a couple of songs.
Before Post blew up. He always made all types of music. White Iverson song just happened to be the one that caught on. Labels are going to push what's hot. He rode the wave like he was supposed to. Now he's free to do whatever he wants musically. I don't understand why everything has to be "culture vulture" type of shit
Cause the truth is the truth. Hip hop is black culture. So from the bases he was vulturing.
@KDJMin While agree it started as black culture. Hip Hop is also in the music (business) and is "black" through a white lense. Jews to be exact. They're the ones that handpicked what was going to be marketed and promoted the most. Also the biggest supporters of hip hop for many years was whites and Asians. If post came out in the 80s or early 90s I would've probably agreed with you. But in the 2000s come on man that shit is global now.
@KDJMin hip hop is a business, the street is the culture, hip hop was bought by mostly whites, if blacks only bought the music and went to their shows their music wouldn't be bragging about mansions, they'd need a second job or maybe sell crack on the side
@@mattycampy hip hop at the root is us telling the world our culture/experiences on a rhythm or beat. It’s fair to say a lot of other music is our culture explained too. The Jews pay us to tell it to the world who (mostly out of our race) consume it.
@@KevinDavisJrMinugh...actually if you do your research Hip Hop culture was started by black AND Latino Americans in NYC specifically the Bronx borough! So if anything it's a black and brown invented music genre!
Exploit Rap? It's not that serious, it's music, people can make whatever they want. 🖕
Post Malone absolutely did exploit hip-hop.
How so
Him playing gangster in movies is just so cringy
Hip hop is a whore. You get what u want from her and leave. It's always been that way. Listen to fuck hip hop.
You sound ridiculous... He likes all types of music like most ppl 😂😂😂
Facts
Can't say he exploited a genre he never claimed to be apart of besides that he's still tapped in with all the rappers who had a hand in making him the star he became. The man was on Howard Stern not long ago shoutin out Key! who's one of the most known unknowns out of ATL for the buzz he helped build just before white Iverson dropped. He ain't have to do that. It's no different than Uzi and Carti pulling inspiration from the punk rock realm
White iverson? Yeah aite 😂
Very good point ❤
This “Im not racist I got black friends” ass comment😂
The punk realm? Lol
He claimed to be a part of the genre when he made White Iverson lol. Y’all really need people to explicitly state their intentions 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️.
I don't think it's about dropping Hip Hop now that he's famous. I think artists these days don't want to stay in one lane. It's kind of the same as Doja Cat, MGK, Nicki, Wayne, Drake, Beyoncé even.. they want to have a broad catalog.
No that’s stupid they clearly just exploited hip hop and culture vulture their way to the top 😂😂 sarcasm obviously
Post has always been an alternative rock artist, since he was in Grapevine. Rap music was becoming super popular so he hopped on. Now that he's established he can do what he wants. Alternative rock/contemporary melodic rap.
or maybe he likes many styles of music. Hmm.
Or I said what I said. And... what he said...
Wait a min., he's from Grapevine, TX?!
@@davidbrewer8575 I cannot believe you are the only one making that point.
No this is why when he first came out he said don't just call him a rapper and everybody clowned him, saying GTFO of hip hop. Now he drop a "non hip hop" album and ni99as wanna clown him for that lol. He can't win 🤦🏿♂️🙄
Hip-Hop is the most racist music genre on the planet. I hope the irony isn't lost on people.
@@kh7688nah, not as much as rock
Yet he went out of his way to diss hiphop and telling people not to listen to it. He can get fucked
@jumpsurfer Rock has been minding its own business for a long time now. Hip-Hop is the one that acts holier than though and requires non-black people to come in and act accordingly. Requiring non-black artists to walk on eggshells lest they be branded culture vultures who exploit black people. Newsflash: EVERYONE IS A CULTURE VULTURE! There isn't a genre of music that hasn't been stolen from one place or another. Indian, Middle Eastern, Far East Asian, Caribbean, Hispanic & Latin. Tell me a genre that hasn't ripped from another...I'll wait.
He came out trying to do that soft rock shit and didn't pop. Then he got some cornrows and a grill and started rapping. Now he's doing soft rock again. Call a spade a spade.
Why when an artist try’s new shit they gotta abandon or take advantage of hip hop? People can make different genres of music
Stop participating in conversations you don’t understand
@@tapsunofficial Says the person who clearly doesn’t understand the nuance of music and art in general. No one cares tha you don’t like post Malone. You can’t even tell me how he’s treated hip hop unfairly or selfishly. If you wanna talk about EXPLOITING hip hop, black people do it more than anyone else. You worried about what conversations I’m a part of when you should be learning to participate in having a seat. 💺
@@PEEPSnationOfficialI like the cut of your jib. Don't take s*** from Black supremacists.
@@tapsunofficialif y’all are making it about race and culture then that’s on you yes it does have culture and is dominated by one race over another but at the end of the day it’s music and can be explored and made by whoever and I feel that way about all genres idc who makes it I can understand what he said years ago wasn’t the best look but man just makes music he likes and hip hop and rap are genres he likes as well hence why you still hear elements even in this album of hip hop in there if you make the music more about culture and race then yes you will see it in a way different light but to me that’s a part of it but the music itself is the most important part and if you do it justice to the culture
@@Frosty1026dude, punctuation
Post knows he would've sold more had he released another Hiphop inspired album or even gone country as that's what people told him to do for two years now. It's clear he's making whatever he feels like in the moment.
Post malone is artist not a rapper lol artists are versatile and not stuck in the box.
People mad cause he switch up his style this why most artists fall off they can’t switch it up
Or maybe Post Malone is done with a genre that has grown adults fighting and beefing all the time!! Hip Hop is so immature with all these adults beefing over stupid stuff!
Hmm tell us how you really feel about the black culture
Not he's a vulture who dickrode the biggest genre in the world because nobody wanted to hear his shitty metalcore emo music and now is using his celebrity to shovel shitty music down the throats of the followers hed attained from a genre of music he's never cared for. Lol. Sums it up...
But you listen to it. That why trump should have built the wall. You Spanish mf be getting beside y’all self
@@Actuallytimwayngacy why do you have to assume it's black culture? OP made a valid point.
@@Actuallytimwayngacysee how you automatically thought he was talking about black people even though he mentioned no race at all? Says a lot. Black culture is the worst.
I love how ice brings up a point but keeps repeating that’s he’s only asking a question when people don’t agree with him lol
Word. Ice melted with that one 😂
So let me get this right? Because he's made an album with a different sound, which many MANY artists have done before y'all are saying he's exploiting hip hop? The dude has said he's in a different place in his life now and he's vibing with this kinda music. Appreciate it for what it is! I personally love it and I've liked all his other music too
He started as a rock guy that didn't work so he switched to rap. Then immediately after his first album went to a different sound. Some may say like ish said he's inspired by alot or he appropriated hip hop to get to a place where he can switch back to what he originally wanted to do. Glass half full or half empty deal here just depends on perspective
Some of post biggest songs has a rapper or rnb artist on it. We as a majority have to accept the music like everyone else before anyone has the opportunity to take advantage
@@yoitmereeI didnt accept it, actively hated on it. He writes ok songs, good melodies....fuck him anyway tho.
😂😅
@@DatBoyStrizzyit does I get that but many people do it so I don’t get why he has to be put in a box but we let other hip hop artist explore idc what any artist does music is art and is meant to be explored I just dislike when mfs try to put artist in only one box if the fucking migos did a rock album I’d listen to it lmao to me this was just stupid to bring up man like hip hop and wanted to make that I agree with what you’re saying just more meant the video
@@DatBoyStrizzy Ok but how do you appropriate a music genre??? since when a music genre has owners????
“If you're looking for lyrics, if you're looking to cry, if you're looking to think about life, don't listen to hip-hop.”
Post Malone 😒
Exactly, dudes been a vulture. I ain't forget not even 5 years before he went to hip-hop he was a emo metal head in a metalcore band. Not a rap bone in his body 😂
"What I was trying to say is that a lot of people, except for a handful of artists, are saying the same shit, they're not saying anything super meaningful"
And at the time he was not wrong. He can say that now and it's still not wrong
Y’all still with this old ass shit?
@@SoFloWill817he didn't say a handful of people. His whole cleaning up what he meant was him doubling down.
@@SoFloWill817That's music in general, ya gotta weed tha bullshit to get to the good. He just said some dumb shit and tried to walk it back is all. But that was like...the dumbest shit you could say when your authenticity is bein questioned. 🤷🏽♂️
He admitted to using hip-hop. He wanted to be a rock artist, but wanted to get on so he used hip-hop. Pink did the same thing and LA Reid told her to use R&B to pivot to Rock
When did he say that?
He never admitted that. I’d love to know your source.
You can infer it given any number of his statements like...“If you’re looking for lyrics, if you’re looking to cry, if you’re looking to think about life, don’t listen to hip-hop,” OR when he used hip hop as a spring board BUT makes the distinction (in white spaces) that he isn't a rapper. Yet, he doesn't say anything when placed in the rap/hip-hop category for awards
@@vaporizer13 Post has been doing a mix of genres since before he became mainstream. There was a point where he was in a metal band, a rock band, and obviously points where he has rapped. NONE of his albums have ever been fully hiphop if you actually care to listen to them. He sings melodically and taps in to a bunch of different genres. Sure he said something really fucking dumb years ago, but to hold that over his head when he’s had hiphop artists on his 2022 record, released songs like Insane and I cannot be on that same album and have the nerve to say that he used it and left is just fucking dumb. There’s a reason he didn’t want to be an xxl freshman and it’s because he’s never identified with the label of a rapper because he’s always done a mix of things, even before he was famous.
Edit: wanted to add that he was featured on a Youngboy track earlier this year and was on YG’s album last year as well. But according to y’all he exploited hiphop and abandoned it once he got popular enough to do other shit.
@@golden_beast7924 he was only ever a rock artist and when that didn't take he tried hip-hop and that's how we got White Iverson. Just because he paid for rappers to feature on his music does disqualify him from his vulture tendencies. That is exactly how exploitation works. Plenty of hip hop acts have sung melodically and tapped into "a bunch of different genres" for decades now. Hell he isn't even the first to use hip-hop in order to pivot back to rock (because he couldn't make it in the genre). Kid rock did it and so did Fred Durst (to an extent)
Yes. I don’t understand how they “don’t like” the argument when it’s very apparent.
Man the hate for Post is so gross. The man is just talented and makes different types of music. And he happens to be white. Drake stay doing the same thing but nobody bats an eye. Let him live man.
MAN YOU WASHED UP RAPPERS HATING ON POST…. STEP YOUR TALENT 🆙
It’s an issue because he’s a white male. You all aren’t saying anything when Drake exploits every genre and new artist that is popping off.
Crickets and I love drake Uzi Tyler and ye all guys who started hip hop and have made many non hip hop songs
OBVIOUSLY, THEY ALWAYS DO THAT THO..
everyone needs to understand that the from 2016 era to now artists have no barriers and cross & mix genres, it’s called versatility. that’s the future of hip hop and music. ppl still looking at it as black & white need to get with the times. it’s not the 90s anymore. hip hop is a international melting pot of different cultures, styles, subgenres.
He was a white boy rocking cornrows. You would get canceled today for doing that.
@@HN-fb6md there are plenty of white artists with cornrows and dreads in 2024. nobody gives a fuck and cancel culture doesn’t exist in real life. touch grass
@@HN-fb6mdthat means we went backwards in society cause who gives AF
How do you 'feel bad' for Post Malone when he has 8 diamond songs which is the most in history.
I mean yes he did but the actual rap music he did make was fire at the time
Miley Cyrus did the same thing with “Bangerz”. This play has been ran for decades
He is an artist. He can create according to his emotions. He shows what he has created to his audience. Very simple
Leave Posty alone. He just makes music. Damn, this victimhood mentality shit needs to stop. Stop whining.
Did lil uzi vert exploit hip hop to gain popularity?
Interesting point. Why would you say that ?
@@terryhampso5800 because he wants to be a rock star. They market him as hip hop when it’s obvious he doesn’t make hip hop music. Yet he goes around to all the hip hop station well at least he used to. So I find it funny how these dudes sneak in the door of hip hop because they either aren’t talented enough or privileged to go make the music they want to
Why do people keep bringing up Justin Timberlake? Dude's been rnb/hip-hop sense nsync.
Was featured on tons of black rnb artist's an rappers...has every single solo album made an produced by black producers. Even man of the woods was made by Timbaland an Pharrell an was full of rnb. When did he denouce or drop the sound?
I would say the issue with Post is that it’s more on the lines of Justin Timberlake. Hes always talked about incorporating everything to his music or doing new things, but fam he could make some fire rap joints
Man, these podcast clips aren't great. Been sounding like some old man banter without much substance. Making me less and less interested over time.
Now he making country music smh
He actually came out and said that from the jump.. he wanted to be a country alt type artist from the get go. And he was honest about it.
An artist can do whatever they want. They don't have to stay put or be stagnant to prove something to anyone. Hip hop, the world, and the universe is expansive. If we don't like ...move on to another ...and maybe meet again at some point. Or not.
Respect.
Im not a post Malone fan in the context of ive heard all his albums or have a playlist of him.....ive liked 10-15 songs of his over the years..... But what I've seen from him is not ever been strictly hip-hop.... He's played guitar singing acoustic, made pop songs, made rap songs, made emo songs...... I never viewed him as a rap artist he always came off to me as a " musician" or artist that expresses himself different ways... I never viewed him as a rapper and I dont think hip-hop fans really did either...... Especially in today's era of music where you have country music with trap beats on the radio and one of the most popular songs of the last 2 years in "hip-hop supposedly" was Nas x in tbe old town road where its got a acoustic guitar and an 808.....with billy Ray Cyrus......nelly doing songs with the other group who for whatever reason yhe name i cant think of but i know a bunch of their songs....fkn....idk what the name is but they made that Cruise song...... Whatever anyways long story short music has meshed so much across-the-board that most artists aren't stuck in one genre anymore especially these young kids, it won't be long before you hear ice spice on Pop radio or top 40 shit....
Post Malone has his own fan base he’s alright
So let’s talk about Tyler let’s talk about ye let’s talk about uzi let’s talk about all these guys who started hip hop and now make completely different music and different vibes in their projects what’s wrong with that many artists in hip hop do it why can’t we just appreciate the music they make instead of making it something bigger than you’re making it out to be
Post did what anybody in his position would've done.
He never said he was a hip hop artist.
He can do all sorts of types of music.
Just like beastie boys did the punk thing, got hot with hip-hop, went back to punk, and never bad mouthed either side
Find a way to have a more mature version of Hip Hop
He's almost 30 & doesn't want to beef over something goofy
I am not in a rabbit hole. This is how I feel about this guy. Lil Dicky did the same thing and I was a fan of his short rap run. Stopped did the show supported that and didn't get music for 4 seasons of a show just for him to return and drop some mid ass music. EMPHASIS on the "ass music" Post dropped rap and then claimed he was not a rapper. Wild stuff.
People saying he's hip hop are clueless
He did exploit it then said people shouldn't listen to hip-hop if they want substance....that's my beef with him...he actually makes ok music
MGK another example of someone jumping ships. But that doesn’t necessarily make it a bad thing. There just artist that can make different style of music.
MGK never exploited rap tho. He came into the game as a rapper.
@@JeyapolloEvery artist either exploits music or is exploited to some degree. Rap is no exception.
@@kh7688I never said rap was an exception. All I said was MGK came into the music industry as a rapper. He exploited punk rock music if anything
Lmao no MGK got Shown the 🚪 by Eminem. 😂
@@Hooperd2023you em meat glazers cornballs
I’ve never really considered post Malone as “hip hop” anyway. He’s always mostly been pop and he pulls inspirations from everywhere and has his own unique sound. He’s in a lane of his own. And I think it’s really telling when ppl only call out white boys for changing up their sound. No one said lil Wayne was appropriating punk culture when he made his revival album. Trying to put ppl in a box musically is so lame.
Why does this surprise anyone
Pink in the 2000s did the same thing, it’s been done to hip hop since the 90s
The problem is that some of you think an artist has to be exclusive to a genre.
Bro Andre released a flute album😂😂
It's cool when Post Malone do it but it's bad when Justin Timberlake do it...🤷🏾♀️
Next week Joe gonna do a break down on if water is wet
So because post Malone does more genres than just hip hop he’s exploiting hip hop for popularity? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I’m not a post Fan but make that make sense 🤣🤣
Adam22 DjVlad Post Malone Justin Timberlake etc etc etc etc....... 📌
Hell yeh that’s what Post is doing. MGK route
I fell sorry for Travis Scott bruhh 💀
Why do you feel sorry for a multi-millionaire? lol
@@baconfusion3088 just I want to feel 💀
This conversation reminds me of the famous Vlad interview with Lord Jamar and the debate around Lil Nas X "exploiting" country music.
Honestly it’s a great way to market yourself since a young black man succeeding in country is as uncommon as a white dude succeeding in hip hop. Lil Nas X got himself out there and now he’s making the music he wants to make
@@zakbutz8226wrong there's been one black country singer who's made it successfully in the coubtry music genre! The lead singer from Hootie & The Blowfish!
“You can’t rap or do hip hop if you’re not black”
Um… if I’m not a mathematician I can’t say 1+1=2?
Well if he exploited hip hop then i guess every drug dealer rapper who sees hip hop as a " hustle" did to..
….. Every white rapper has… Including Drake 🤷🏾♂️… Funny how you’re JUST realizing this 🙄🙄🙄🙄
He's not a rapper
As usual, just L takes from Budden ^^
Everyone in the rap game is exploiting rap. Better question is how Post Malone transitioned into a rockstar from hip hop
I am sorry but if you are going to hate on a guy for dropping what he love, then you need to look at yourself why do you gate keep shlt like hip hop is some holy grail that will be gone if someone uses it wrong? He is literally just a versatile artist and makes what he like and saying that he exploits hip hop is just stupid.
He definitely did. He did rock, and couldn't get on, so he tried Hip hop and got a buzz. Now he's back to Rock.
He's making rock music? This is news to me and I'm a fan. I call bullshit
He didn’t exploit shit, if anything he amplified the scene more.
Yes he did, and Yung Gravy is tryna do it rn. Shit is so corny.
Pretty clear he did.. white iverson buddy was in corn rolls, gold teeth , and dancing like he was with the culture. He played the role then shifted.
Alt rock artist that got with hip hop producers when SoundCloud rappers were a thing and used that to blow. He even said he didn’t want to be called a rapper.
Because he's never been a rapper or claimed to be a rapper.
But yet still has people of the culture on the songs help rappers too like roddy just cause he change his taste a bit more doesn’t mean he still doesn’t have rap elements and other rappers in his shit last album he had rap songs in there this album he has close to one man still loves hip hop and has elements in there I just don’t get why he’s the only one who gets this perception but hey it’s whatever that’s just how you see it
Yeah parks wouldn't like that conversation because he understands what's really being said of the white men at the center of the conversation. It's the reason why y'all will always be guest in this house and why artist like Mac Miller and Eminem deserves more respect from black folk that may not listen to their music. We know when you're using us and he made clear long ago he doesn't respect the genre he milked to get famous. The end.
Anyone, but especially white folks who rap (just for financial gains) are frowned upon. However when black folks do the same, it's all cool or never talked about. Lil Wayne made a rock album and then switched back to rap, no white folks talking about him using the genre just for money. Guess lil nas is a culture vulture too for that country song. So many other black artist switched genres too... This nonsense about it being "our" genre and whitey should leave it alone is racializing music and it's ridicoulous. Music genres arent owned by anyone, they can be used by anyone however they please.
Kid Rock was the original use hip hop for popularity... And Detroit for that matter
Post Malone just enjoys making music after yachty made a concept album I can’t blame post Malone for switching up genres to experiment he’ll probably do a rap album and pop album again let the man cook 👨🍳
Never liked him after what he said about hip hop lacking emotion. But unfortunately he is still supported by people who claim to love the art. SMH😮😮😮
That's not what he said, educate yourself
He never said that but ok do you man
Of course he did.
There NO WAY Austin could've even seen the light of the day without hip hop it was too "common" bland as shi.
Post is great at what he does doesn’t need people doing shit for him
This just in; people don’t have to make the same kind of music their entire career
Yup! Just like pink did with R&B when she first came out…..
Why is it when artist who aren’t black make hip hop and are successful, they’re “exploiting”?
If Post or anybody else wants to make hip hop then rock then pop and back to hip hop again, they can. He’s just influenced by a lot of music
Don't you dare come on here with facts and reasonable arguments. Joe Budden and his acolytes don't play that s***. You better take your intellectual arguments elsewhere.
He’s white. That simple. Easy target.
That's not true at all. No one (or at least very few) ever said Eminem or Mac Miller were exploiting hip hop. And it's not just non-black artists, anyone who shows an indifference to the history and culture of hip hop has and will get accused of exploiting the genre.
@aychbhomas6608 No other genre requires you to learn the history of its origins. The nerve of you, thinking Hip-Hop has to have such a prerequisite. Everyone either exploits or gets exploited in the music industry. So, I say let the chips fall where they may. If I went into music, I'd exploit the s*** out of Hip-Hop. Because I can't sing, can't play musical instruments and I don't have the looks to be in a boy band like One Direction. My only pathway would be Hip-Hop because I've been listening to rap for most of my life and I can spit a little. I would rap for a little while and provided I'm successful. I'd ride that wave until I'm bored of it. That's life. Black people and their culture aren't any more special than other cultures.
@@kh7688 It's not just a hip hop thing, the same thing happened in country with Lil nas x; country fans were upset because he showed no genuine respect for the genre. Also, I've been in a death metal band and been around circles of jazz, folk music, and EDM artists and you got no respect from ANY of them if you didn't have decent knowledge of some of the greats of their respective genre. As far as you making it a race thing, that's your own cross to bear my friend.
If you think Post appropriated hip-hop, you never heard his albums and it shows.
Joe is the most jealous person and ppl don't speak about this enough...u can detect hatred in his voice😢😢😢hip hop is not for black ppl to gatekeep if they want too then they should own it to prove that it's really theirs to gatekeep...
When you change sounds and genres that totally fine. But when you start to denounce it and act like you’ve never heard of the culture then yah you did. And ppl like him and Miley Cyrus did that. A lot of yt artists HAVENT done that but they did. And also knowing exactly where Post is from cuz I’m from North Texas too, his whole brand was fake as hell the first time he came out.
non of the rap artist is as big as taylor swift , lady gaga, britney in her days, adelle, and whatever pop artist so they dont need hip hop plus, lets not forget, its white kids that make artist rich not black kids!
if he wasnt popping in whatever he was doing and was smart enough to to get popping doing something else to get to what he wanted to do, thats just called being smart which no one would ever accuse you of!!!
stop being ignant and get with the program. white kids bought his music, not you so why do you care !!
White Iverson will forever be a classic no matter what skin colour you are
post malon isnt a rapper hes an musician ................ thats where yall got it fucked up stop comparing him to rappers and other rappers artist lol post malon is just a artist who makes music that he wants
Just like Pink
Someone else said it before but I really miss when Post was black
And Beyoncé used pop and country music for the same yet I don’t hear anyone saying anything about that. Y’all just faking being bothered.
He definitely exploited hiphop. before post used hiphop to get on he was dancing in pum pum shorts to go viral on RUclips. After he gained the hip hop audience from white Iverson he said he doesn’t even listen to rap.
When has he said he hasn’t listened to rap that just sounds stupid to even say even when he still makes hip hop music and made music with other rappers
Short answer? Yes…
I mean yea but let’s be real nothing we can do. But I listened to it his whole style be getting whiter and whiter. Not saying anything but he clearly flipped the script. And yeah Travis dropped a banger and cardi and offset dropping with the media stuff was perfect.
He did but y’all capped for him cos you like him or something.
No he didn't 🤷♀️
Kid rock, and Justin Timberlake
Definitely Kid Rock. That Mother Father did a 180 and only revealed that was who he was. The majority not old enough to remember him on MTV posing as a Rapper and played every instrument on the MTV stage.
He came out with braids and grillz, singing White Iverson after making the music he’s making now and not being able to blow initially, why are they acting so clueless?
Grillz isn’t a strictly black person thing. And braids were WORN BY IVERSON HIMSELF
@@Noirlore Grillz were pioneered by hip hop and braids is a black hairstyle worn primarily by black people like IVERSON, you literally repeated my point verbatim take your stupidity somewhere else please.
@@Noirlorenot a black person thing? Grillz ? You serious?
@@BigNorm87 yes. Paul wall?
@@Noirlore who is he emulating?
Post Malone
He likes all their pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his 🔫
But he DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS
He’s literally got zero bars, on what planet was he ever Hip-Hop??
Man forget post Malone!
I don't think he did cause his career reminds me of Justin Bieber cause if you look at Justin in 2009 he was doing pop music and now Justin is rapping on some beats that's what I think Post is doing in 2016 it was Hip Hop but now its Alternative Rock and Pop and I see the pop that Post did on the album remind me of 2009 Justin Bieber