Hey, that's a good question and one that always makes me go back and look it up. It's a bit confusing, as Arnold is an 800 series, model 101. In T3 he refers to himself as a T101, and is in fact part of the 850 series in that movie. In the same movie (I think in the extras) he's also called a T850. Salvation is the first time anyone says T-800, and Genisys is the first time Arnold calls himself a T-800. But the number 101, according to Cameron, designates appearance, so all 101s look like Arnie. So in short, I think maybe T-800 is more technically accurate, but really they're both the same thing. Until the next thing comes out and his canonical name becomes Pops.
ATWDigital Arnold is a T800 and the Arnold version is the 101. As evidenced in the dream/nightmare/flashback sequence of Reese where a Terminator infoltrates the bunker... a T800(that is not Arnold) systematically kills everyone in the bunker(the scene where Reese is looking at the burning photo of Sarah). In T3 he is an upgraded endoskeleton T850(with the nuclear power cell), still with the outer skin of series model 101. This is something thats always bothered me. Cuz tho I dig Arnie as the Terminator(even in the lesser sequels)... having so many of the T800s being Arnold betrays the entire idea of their technological advancement. They were technological triumphs for Skynet as they were so difficult to spot being that they had organic outer covering(as opposed to the early rubber skin of the preceeding models)... bad breath etc. If they all looked like Arnold or if they were as common as it would appear to be(since he kept popping up as a T800) it kind of defeats the purpose of them being so lifelike... arguably easier to spot as spotting Arnold in the remnants of humanity wouldnt exactly be a difficult task lol I always wished theyd peppered the other movies with more T800s that were portrayed by other performers... like in Salvation(tho I loathe that film) have a different Terminator be brought out of the factory to attack Connor/Marcus and have an Arnold model in the background amongst a sea of other iterations with other skins. Because Skynet would have to be smarter than to only make one version of the T800 to attempt to blend in and infiltrate the resistance haha Shame none of the other writeres or filmmakers beyond T2 thought of this. They gave an explanation for his being "chosen" in 3. But ultimately even if they give reason to his being the ine utilized in Genysis, it wouldve been far more refreshing to see that even though weve seen 5 different T800(4 rather and a T850) that look just like Arnolds 101... if they had shown a wide variety of T800s.
aneanthesieus not in 3... hes a T850 in 3... but the point is/was that the skin that covers the T800 endoskeleton that makes them look like Arnold is model 101. T800s do not all look like Arnold. Merely the systems model 101s
Hmm ... maybe John Connor was THE FIRST Neo ... who became Agent Smith and ... and went back to father Palpatine ...
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I get it....after the machines complete their takeover...they begin farming what's left of us....leading to the events in the matrix. Also..your comment is so suprisingly awesome that i'm not scrolling down any further..cause how can it get any better.
@@fearglitchdragon7237 yah but they do have the same story line with AI taking over the world so would be easy to cross them that would of been a sick twist at the end of matrix 3 the terminator music kicks in .
Terminator 1 and 2 are two of my absolute FAVORITE movies of all time. T1 for being an amazing Thriller/Horror movie, and T2 for being one HELL of an Action movie and Fantastic sequel.
Alt Right Knight while I loved T2, I feel like after it, every movie tried to one up the action sequences and technology.. I feel like the thriller/horror take is the way to go with any movies in the future and I hope dark fate does just that... but I would take a mix between 1&2 easily... The horror/thriller terminator aspect was evident in T2, but it was a bit reduced... which worked.. but again... getting back to that would be great.
@jemielnic the worst part is. the timeline makes no sense in it. old sarah conner in modern environment like after genisys. old T-800 or the T-800 100 convert from genisys. who the fuck is the kid. and who, what the fuck is that wanna be man looking thing with kid. what the fuck is that terminator. its like they are copying the T-X from terminator 3 but making even less sense
@Christopher Marlowe How can you see that trailer, watch an actor named Gabriel Luna and then think the killer robot from the future that has no sexual preference is a straight, white guy? God damn, conservatives are fucking stupid.
@@zachiswayposi1 Bingo! Conservatives have become the biggest whiners now. The anti-SJWs have impressively surpassed the annoyance of the original SJWs. The antagonist terminator in Dark Fate is NOT a white male. The actor is mixed. The movie is taking place in Mexico and hence the actors. In the end of T1, and also in T2, that's where they are headed, to Mexico. The movie continues from there. Obviously the terminator want to look the part, hence he's of Mexican descent. But here we are again, the anti-SJWs WHINING about "ORMGERDDDDD, A STRONG FEMALE LEAD?!?! SJWWWWWWWWW". Fucking retards.
The worst thing about Genisys is how awful Jai Courtney is. He said in an interview that he didn't do any research, not even watching the original film, and it really shows. Compare that to Michael Biehn who went and interviewed survivors from anti nazi resistance groups in the Second World War to get an idea of how people in resistance groups think and feel. Biehn gave a masterful performance as Kyle Reese (and young Anton Yelchin was ok), Courtney was fucking dreadful.
Agreed. He was just "generic handsome action star man" instead of Kyle Reese. Reese was a scrappy, resourceful, scarred survivor of war that still had just a spark of hope left. Courtney was just bland with no soul.
What bugged me most of Jai Courtney's Reese was his body ... fully built, no scars. How the heck could someone get that kind of body in a bleak and desperate future?
Agree. Courtney & Emily was mis-casted. Jay didn’t look like he have no problem getting 5000 calorie and personal gym trainer. Emily is 5’2. She is not physically menacing as Linda Hamilton. Most of her dialogue, especially the shower locker scene, If it wasnt for GOT dragon queen I would think she is a horrible actor
I remember hearing Cameron in an interview in the 80's saying that he loved Arnold in the role because everything unusual about him worked with the character. His bulk made it seem like it could be the result of being skin grown on top of a robot (with Franco Colombu's cameo reinforcing that idea), and his accent made it seem like Skynet hadn't quite nailed the finer points of human speech and inflection.
I feel like Salvation was a really wasted opportunity to make a film set entirely in the war between skynet and the resistance. It always looked so much cooler with laser guns and that used scifi aesthetic...
Yeah you're right - Cameron apparently once said something like 'you want to make the one in the war, that's the one to make.' So wasted opportunity is probably exactly right.
I really loved the start of salvation with the minigun-wielding terminator in the streets....... I think if the movie had more of that it wouldn't have been as bad..... also I loved how blue everything was on T1 and T2 and I would have loved if that was in salvation......... terminator genesis made me think of the far cry blood dragon DLC
TheFatspud seemed weird that Connor&Co were putting down terminators with traditional carbines, but I guess that earlier models were weaker as T800 seemed almost indestructable by surviving direct grenade hits and even molten metal. And what it's worth, Bale kinda looked like that future-John in the beginning of T2 even if he ruined the role a bit with that funny batman-talk.
It sort of makes sense. Skynet would only start off the war with whatever unmanned equipment that had entered service in the US before the war. Skynet would have to build their first Terminators out of steel, rather than titanium, as it's a very scarce and labor-intensive material to work with. The war wages for about 30 years before humanity wins, so Skynet should have worse stuff to begin with.
I'm probably one of the few people who enjoyed that one, although it definitly could have been better executed. I remember they were kicking around the concept of future wars for years, dating back to the toy series and comics that came out when I was a kid, and I still find it amusing they made kids toys out of graphic r rated movies back then. When salvation was first announced I vaguely recall the creators mentioning they were gonna make that the next trilogy, which could have been pretty cool. then it bombed worse than judgment day, so they tried to reboot it with genisys, and we all know how that train wreck turned out.
The next T movie in the series should just cover the uprising, with humans being brutally eliminated by the andriods for 2 hours continually. Game of thrones style everyone dies. Written and filmed in True Greek Tragedy style just when you think it can't get worse, it does... and endless horror film... Because that is what a war between machines and humans would be like. ruclips.net/video/_sBBaNYex3E/видео.html
Terminator 2 scared my 7 year old mind, the playground scene solidified the concept of death and fragility of life, the milk carton scene introduced me to the idea that your mother could be a liquid metal assassin.Terminator 2 changed my life. I don't think anyone could say that about Terminator Genesis.
Imagine finding out after 35 years of deception your own mother and father were insidiously and deceptively disguised as parents who love you when they were your killers the entire time! True story.
Dark Fate is much better than T3, Salvation and Genisys. Most people hate it because it has the audacity to present three women as the protagonists (and one of them is Mexican!!!). But any of them is far better in her role than Danaerys or Jai Courtney.
Lol I sorta liked Genisys it had decent plot points I was also curious as to who sent the guardian back. *This is just my opinion ffs. * My favourite is T1 and T2 though I say it ended there.
@@dani3po THere's just nothing original about it really. It's just the Terminator 1-2 again, except delayed 30 years with different robots, and feminist facade to attempt to capture both male and female market segments. Except the feminists aren't interested in an Arnold film because of his prior exploits (maid, sexual harassment stuff), or action sci fi generally. And now the Arnold/scifi fans would rather download it on torrent than pay for it. I watched/bought it. But it has the same conclusion as T3 (future is inevitable). But the attempt to broaden the market, back fired. Also the future war depicted in Dark Fate doesn't look interesting at all. A bad copy of Live Die Repeat, or matrix reloaded. And show Danny as tough bad ass in the future was more laughable than inspiring.
I loved it how in T1 terminator was practical from start to finish, pretty much took first clothes he found and didn't wear sunglasses until losing the eye and used sunglasses to cover it. He even got the "cool" short haircut because his hair burned away for crying out loud. Then T2 started this fancypants cool trend where terminator came from the future having gel on his hair, only accepts certain type of cool leather clothes and of course sunglasses from get go just because Cool. Blehh. But still T2 was great too.
YoStu spot on! T2 etc were more about Arnie the superstar playing the terminator, rather than just focussing on what the terminator would realistically do and why it would do it. the gritty realism of the original is what makes it the best.
James Cameron stated he wants to start a new trilogy, it will be as follows: - The Feminator - Feminator 2: Day of Misogyny - Feminator 3: Rise of the Patriarchy "Don't Touch My Uterus"
i like this one, the new villain was really hard to kill, sarah connor had an interesting development, and the idea of a terminator without a mission would live the disguise
Still think a movie set during the fall of humanity, that dark point when the machines are still finding out the best way to fight and the people are scrambling to survive, would be a heck of a lot more fun than the new movies have been.
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Genesys sucks. The constant need in Hollywood to introduce smartphone technology into sequels and remakes to "attract kids" f%$#ing ruins everything. Especially the dirty, gritty, post apoc feeling of the first two.
The original Terminator was Yul Brynner in Westworld, a robot that malfunctioned and went after one of the guests in a fantasy theme park full of robots.
shane bingham Yep, l saw Westworld last year and couldn't believe how similar the Terminators were to Yul Bryner's character; the menacing walking, the (non) facial expressions, the relentless, murderous attitude etc. Cameron owes a thing or two to that movie.
@@Justify-My-Hate Well, watch pretty much any of James Cameron's films and you'll see that he owes a lot to a lot of movies. 😅 Especially Avatar. The man can craft exciting, endearing, visually and technologically groundbreaking films... But originality in the story and screenplay department is not exactly his strong suit.
Arnie did mention Yul Brynner's performance in Westworld as a major source of inspiration. He is absolutely terrifying (Brynner) in Westworld. Fantastic film that predated Terminator by a decade!
Terminator 2 was the best. It had the most depth of story. For example, in the scene where the Terminator, young John and Sarah are at the rest stop and the Terminator and young John are sitting together watching the little kids running around pretending to shoot one another. John says to the Terminator "we're not going to make it are we?" and the Terminator says "it's in your nature to destroy yourselves". That scene calls into question who the real monsters are. The Terminators or us humans that have a violent nature and created the terminators to kill in the first place? Then the ending. where the Terminator is destroying himself in the molten metal to Protect John. So it shows that the Terminator learned to care. And then the end scene of Sarah and John driving down the dark highway and Sarah saying "If a Terminator, a killing machine can learn the value of a human life, maybe we can too". Right there they should have ended it. It was a good ending. By them making more sequels, they made the entire series pointless. Pointless because basically what the other movies said was that the humans can't win no matter what. They might change the timeline here and there, but no matter how hard the humans try to win against the machines, the outcome will always be the same. The machines will kill the humans and the humans will fight back. A never ending struggle.
T2 is my favorite for multiple reasons~~ I just believe (for myself) it had: a stronger narrative I could emotionally invest myself in, better character/actor chemistry, an improved score, and was more emotionally evocative/thought provoking (the extra polish didn't hurt either). That being said the first is excellent in a very raw/nasty/visceral sort of way~ I can see why the first is the favorite of many; just not what I appreciate most in film/cinema.
Agreed on the strength of T2 as a movie. It's a great, well-told story. The interaction between Schwarzenegger and Ed Furlong is a great story. I still put T2 just a half notch below the first though - that first movie was amazing.
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@@CayeDaws Not really, the first one was much better in terms in horror, it had a much darker and gritty atmosphere then the other films, but both are amazing.
T1 is definitely my favorite in the series, but I must say: the T-1000 in T2 is still, to this day, the best movie antagonist of all time. A perfect synthesis of actor portrayal, practical, and CG effects to create a villain that is terrifying, always threatening, totally unique and yet utterly believable.
@@jasonvoorheesthethird i dont think so, what made the T-1000 so scary was that he could look and sound like other people. so the T-1000 could be anywhere and you would have no idea until it was too late
I'm still waaaay more scared of Arnie in T1 and it's entirely because of that animatronic prosthetic head they used. Turns out using a slightly cheap, unvonvincing fake head for your slightly unconvincg robot villain results in uncanny overload. I still find the film almost unwatchable because of how uncomfortable it makes me.
Salvation is set in T3's future, which explains why it's so different. Skynet is software in cyberspace, not an advanced microchip. The bombs did not drop until 2004, thus placing the human race in a very different position than they were in 1997. All of those factors led to a world that even John Connor didn't recognize. Furthermore, it was set over a decade before the future we saw in the first two movies, so there's still room for things to degenerate further.
@@uncannyvalley2350 no it wasnt, when you compare the movies (which you should never do) then yes but as a movie itself it wasnt bad. Terminator fans do the mistake that they compare everything to the first two entries but to be honest in that regard t2 was also the unnecesary entry that destroyed the timeline/franchise. The terminator closed the loop and made a perfect thing and cameron didnt expect for there to be a sequel because of his history with directing so there was nothing to add except the war against machines in the future but t2 destroyed the timeline of the first movie and made even worse one (thanks a lot john) but both movies have a somewhat definitive ending and that isnt a problem in t1 because of the loop but t2s definitive ending destroyed the possibility of another movies to milk the gold for hollywood and came against everything t1 was t1 was a horror movie while t2 is an action movie t1 make arnie the bad guy and builds hopelesness but t2 destroys that with the whole he is reprogrammed friend t2 was actually the first step to destroying the legacy of the terminator franchise I dont hate t2 but I dont see it as a movie that is better than t1 as t1 is the best terminator movie and everything after that is a watchable parody even t2. lets face it, all terminator movies by themselfs are good but t1 simply stands out as best. Future john according to kyle was a wise guy and he is john he would save the people and destroy skynet if possible but because he is in the future and already lived it all he knows that skynet is the only ai that humanity can win against so he doesnt arogantly try to destroy skynet in the past but in the future in the war he was preparing for all his life.
@@jindrichsander7271 that's kind of the point, though. T2 was so well made, that it didn't even matter that it was a redundant movie. T3 is well beyond redundant and offers up a lesser experience, more cheese, and less polish than the first two. That makes it objectively, a worse movie, and the weakest of the three. Everything after that, is just bad. Which is a real shame, because I would STILL support the idea of a future war version, but the Bale film just didn't deliver, and is now a wasted opportunity, they wont get back.
The problem with Terminator 3 was changing the theme from "No Fate from what you make" to "Destiny is inevitable" crushed the series. T4 was awful and T5 tried too hard...
The real problem with T3 and onwards is that in the second movie, with the T-1000, T-800 chip and arm, and Arnold himself all being destroyed in the steel mill, there were no parts to reverse-engineer, becuase Cyberdyne stystems was also destroyed. The second movie basically said we can and will prevent Judgement Day. Yet, T3 went right around and said Lol no Now we have all this bullshit. To me, Any Terminator movie after T2 is NOT canon.
ExodusBF4 it’s because you’re not open to the many possible different timelines. Kyle explained it perfectly in T1. Now what any creator can do with that is up to them. The worst one is T3 because it DIDNT try anything new.
The thing I found most appealing about the T1000 is that it took on the appearance or at least the default appearance I'm a relatively regular looking guy. That was a big part of Robert Patrick's appeal as an actor and in a lot of ways still is. He is what many people would refer to as and every man. After all an effective Terminator has to be someone who Blends in relatively well. even in the 80s an Austrian bodybuilder in full biker regalia would draw a lot of attention to himself.
I think it was in the novelisation that explained that the chassis needed to be a certain size to contain all of the needed components, which then required a large human shape outside to contain it all.
I always thought the actor they picked for the T1000 was not only average, but actually very good-looking with a pleasant voice and speech pattern. I don't know if this kind of appeal was intentional or not in the casting process, but it made the surprise all the greater for me when I first watched this movie. It made me go "What?? He's the killer? Aw, but he seemed so nice!" Lol
@@elitadream He comes off as unassuming until the reveal in the mall, at least that is how I remember seeing it. There are hints at his more sinister qualities throughout the opening. Robert Patrick did an amazing job. We do not see or hear the stabbing sound when he copies the police officer.
Thinking retrospectively, I think The Terminator(1984) is the superior film of the franchise because it seeks to understand and explore the Terminator as a character - at least more so than the other films. I mean, there were entire sequences in the film that followed Arnold around, sans any 'hero' character, and showed things from his perspective, purely to help develop him as a character and prove that he was exactly what Reese said he was, and show how ruthless he was. The other films seemed to restrict their terminator characters purely to 'look what they can do now' and to raise the stakes for the protagonists of the films. The other terminator characters all sort of just relied on the character development from the first film, being little more than robotic supermen following John Connor around. $0.02
I agree it was a great dark film and while T2 had the great special effects it was made with a 100 million dollar budget while the first film had a budget of 6 million. I also thought the Sarah Conner Chronicles was pretty good as well better than any of the films that followed T2.
filmschoolrejects.com/25-movie-sequels-better-than-original/ screenrant.com/terminator-movies-ranked-worst-best/ Well there are other movies better than Terminator 1: Back to the Future, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters, Godzilla (1954), The Thing, etc.
The Terminator franchise is remarkably similar to Aliens: genius high-concept genre film opener, genius high-action up-the-stakes sequel, followed by cynical cash-ins with increasingly diminishing returns, until we get to the modern pretentious twaddle that confirm that there wasn't much more to the initial idea than the first two movies captured perfectly but has become such a cash-cow franchise that we'll be subjected to endless fruitless attempts at reclaiming the glory until the end of time.
The problem though as you say with film quality and aesthetics is that Genisys made alot of money, globally. So, they have to fix the franchise or put out another uninspired sequel.
I'll defend the aliens sequels on one ground: 3 & 4 were at least weird, singular films that very overtly come from the particular voices involved. Terminator 3 & 4 were just generic.
I know one major difference: The Terminator franchise went from being a breakthrough in the 1980s, to being a blockbuster in the 1990s, to being a bummer from the 2000s and onward.
I would argue that salvation takes place a few years before James Cameron's vision. While humans still have supplies from the pre-war era. Give it another year or two those supplies will diminish.
Lady Wanderer It makes plenty of sense. TS takes place before Skynets next big advancements. The humans are already barely holding on. Then Skynet introduces T-800s and laser-guns. Humans no longer stand a chance. Perpetual night missions. Avoiding daytime activities. Running from a practically unkillable enemy.
@Lady Wanderer the only way it makes sense to me is that the war was postponed in t2 so maybe technology in a whole was more advanced when the war really starts in whatever year t3 came out
@@bojangbg except now the movie has come out and it shows you are completely wrong, just because most of the cast is female doesn't make it a fuckin chick flick.
For me there's only two films in the series - and three apocryphal ones that are fan fiction, like you said about the fifth. I LOVED the "sentimentality" of T2. It was such a daring and different way to go after the bleakness of the first film. And imo, Sarah Conner carving "No Fate" on the table and zooming off by herself to change the future is one of the greatest scenes in 90's film. It goes against the entire zeitgeist of pop culture dystopias that T1 helped to set in motion, and it`s wonderful. So for me, the ending totally compromises T3 and all the movies that come after it. I just have no interest in them.
About how the future looks in Terminator Salvation. That movie takes place in 2018 while the future scenes in other movies take place in 2029 or later. It stands to reason that both sides of the war look to be on equal ground due to it being an earlier point of the war opposed to it being over a decade later. In 2029, the human race is more run down and possibly lower on resources and morale while Skynet's forces continue to advance as well as learn more about humans. While the Human Resistance may have acquired weaponry on par with the Machines, possibly in limited number, that doesn't make them equal as humans get tired and die while Terminators are continuously made and made more advanced over the years.
i think what happened is that every terminator that went back, gave that much more of an edge to the people of the past. i want to think there is a terminator ∅ where Sarah still has a son named jon but he grows up and actually gets down with Claire Danes and her dad pushed them into crystal cave and eventually jon stepped up when he realized he could actually help and connect the resistance to each other, he becomes the voice that shared each advantage one group would find to the others, and basically became a legend. the robots are getting very tired of not being able to get him and form a plan to just kill his mom. one resistance cell tells him, they meet and he gives Kyle the picture and fills him in on where to find her, what she was like, and all the things his father told him was what he did to win her over. when the time machine is completed, and the Arnold bot chooses to go before she even meets the first Jon's dad. so then, _the terminator_ happened and this Jon is a little better prepared than the brother from another father. this key point is that he married the connection to crystal cave after tickling her downstairs at that party, so t1000 knows to stop Jon before that occurs. but now Arnold gives Jon more direct information. and so on and so on. and each time, the future is a little bit better, a little later and skynet is that much more matches. no fate but what we make, right? i know this is two years old, but this is he first comment I've seen that actually put thought into why things were the way they were.
same shit as with star wars, movie ruined by weird callbacks to the classics and winks to the audience resulting in something that feels as homage/parody but is supposed to be a continuation
The part about Salvation just reminds me of what a loss Anton Yelchin's death was. The film was garbage, directed by a manchild, but Yelchin was brilliant as Reese.
What I find impressive is how Yelchin managed to adopt the skittery mannerisms of Reese from the first film. I actually bought into him being a younger Reese.
There is a T1 and T2, the rest does not exist to me. -That's the only way I can still love the Terminator movies. Movies that we're not made out to be a trilogy in the first place, should never have any more than one sequel.
He's nicer to the films than I am. 1 and 2 were great and the rest just sucked. T3 was basically like a rejected version of T2. It's pretty much the same film but not at all interesting. Like someone telling Eddie Murphy jokes but without the timing or presence.
The Terminator franchise failed because it passed through the hands of several owners who had no interest in making Terminator movies. They thought merely owning the franchise was good enough. They thought they were also buying a built-in fanbase that would swallow anything made under the Terminator name.
mucgh like Disney - no interest in Star Wars as a concept or visionary piece of cinema as it originally was, but just the next money bucket for their execs
@El Cucuy Yes there are 3 movie timelines now if I'm not mistaken. A) Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 3, Terminator 4 B) Terminator, Terminator 5 and C) Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 6. So Timeline B ignores Terminator 2, Terminator 3 and Terminator 4 while TImeline C only ignores Terminator 3 and Terminator 4.
the pre-film hype kept telling me that there is a new unbeatable terminator and then they show, not this new terminator, but the giant robot that scooped people up and brought them back to the concentration camp. I felt tricked.
I agree with you about the trailers for Genisys spoiling the plot twist but they did exactly the same thing with T2. The first third of T2 is deliberately filmed and edited so that it looks like it's a simple repeat of T1 with Robert Patrick instead of Michael Biehn as a human from the future sent to protect Connor from Arnold's Terminator. So it's as much a surprise to the viewer as it is to John when, in the first show-down in the corridor, Arnold protects him. Or at least it would be if the audience hadn't seen the trailers that specifically stated that Arnold was now the good guy there to protect him, thus completely undermining all the misdirection that Cameron had been carefully building up previously.
Here is one way to look at it. (no judgement on levels of quality are implied) T1: Chase film T2: Chase film T3: Chase film T4: NOT a chase film T5: haven't seen it
I like the first one best as well. 2nd has the effects and all that shite, but 1 was rawwww! I love your movie/actor/character/series reviews. Even better when I know what it's about, lol
Yeah, in the first one you felt the tension and that a lot was at stake and the Kyle Reese characters was vulnerable but at the same time very competent and determined and you really cared for them both to succeed with their mission.
The first movie was one of the darkest movies ever. It's the only movie where the protagonists don't try to destroy Skynet or stop the future war. As an audience member you are forced to just commit to the idea that almost all of humanity is going to be wiped out, and the best you can hope for is that 3 generations or so down the road humanity will be left a nuclear wasteland to inhabit. There aren't many movies that force you to give up on hope in the way that the first Terminator does.
Shavinism I agree, although when I was younger, I still thought, T2 was the better one. But yeah, now that changed again back to the first one, you said it perfectly: "Rawwwww"! But to me, pretty much every entry of the movies has at least something interesting going for it! Except for the fourth one! Fuck that movie!....
That one scene in Terminator 5 where they were captured by police and Inner Circle's "Bad Boys" starts playing made me Cringe so hard that the people sitting next to me in the cinema Cringed.
They should have made a third film in the future and recreated the same war torn grim, apocalyptic vision of the first film, following Kyle Reese and John Connor as they try to survive in the future before sending Reese to the past of 1984. Thats the movie we should have gotten and the only one we needed to find closure to this franchise. But they got greedy, as Hollywood always does...
We'll always have T1, T2 and T3:-) To be fair, Terminator T4 worked and felt thrilling, at least interesting, because there was a great actor playing the role of John Connor and creating a solid character, Christian Bale; otherwise it would have been an obscure action-almost sci-fi-blockbuster with tenuous links to Terminator T1. T5 seems like nonsense and the latest Terminator based on the the trailers is another PC infused nonsense with a thin plot.
Terminator came out of a nightmare that James Cameron had of a metal skeletal torso crawling across the ground towards him brandishing a kitchen knife. He painted the nightmare himself. He also supplied Stan Winston with elaborate illustrations to base the terminator design off of. The Harlan Ellison connection is the time travel part of the story - Cameron indeed admitted that he was inspired by Ellison's Outer Limits ep for the story of Terminator, so the settlement and name in the credits was well-deserved. (Cameron didn't set out to rip Ellison off, but things just shook out that way. That's why creatives need lawyers!)
From what I understand Salvation is at a much earlier point in the future than the Cameron shown future. Humanity is just starting to sink into the absolute bleakest point. Skynet is just getting established enough to barely started hunting down every last human.
what pissed me off even more was that the trailer and TV spots pretty much gave away one of the biggest surprises of the film. I agree though, John Conner becoming a terminator was stupid. It should've been Matt Smith's Character.
Absolutely agreed, man. That was just awful. In the beginning of the movie I actually was all like, "hey, I kind of like this actor's portrayal of John Connor, he's quite charismatic", and then he turns evil and becomes a Terminator? What? That's just horrible. John Connor is the hero, the chosen one of the story, he just doesn't work as a villain.
In T4, it's worth noting that the T-800 had not been deployed yet. It's there, but only noticed by die-hard fans of the series. The T-600s in the film were defeatable and it wasn't until the newer models came out that humans faced a real threat of losing. There is a scene near the end of the prototype T-800 tearing a T-600 in half, for example. Skynet learned from their mistakes and built a Terminator worth having.
I was born a good decade or so after the first terminator movie and I still think it’s a lot better than the modern ones, and is somehow more relevant than the ones made in the last 7 years. I also think Arnold being so outstanding for an infiltration unit was a good thing, showing the arrogance/misunderstanding of Skynet of humanity since it wouldn’t have as much data about the past available to it. And Terminator 2 is my favourite because they found the perfect upgrade villain
You know what would have been great... if they had flipped the script in one of these movies. Maybe pick up in the middle of Terminator 2 with a parallel plotline? What if... Skynet sent a Terminator back in time to protect Dr. Dyson, and this Terminator steps in when the heroes try and corner Dyson in his house in Terminator 2. Maybe... our heroes kill Dyson's family, and this Terminator helps Dyson escape... and the plot changes to our heroes hunting down Dyson as the bad guys.
@El Cucuy 1st and 2nd were good for their own merits, love both of them equally. T1 made you fear the terminator, an pretty much unstoppable killing machine, and well T2, show's reprogramming Terminators could help human win, but amassing an army or at least a good 50 of them to help out in attacks. I think that would be the best place for the movie to go, show how the resistance captured and reprogrammed Arnie to go back in T2. I can't see it being an easy task, to get hold of one of those, and get the CPU out and reprogram. hence why it was only 1 sent. Although a big issue for me with the whole time travel crap, of only living tissue can be sent, hence why no advance weapons could be sent. Really, how about spend 1 day, covering one of those dam energy rifles in the very same shit they covered the terminator with, job sorted, film over in 5 mins, future and humanity saved.
The comment about t4 and people sitting next to fires is a great insight. I don't agree on all your insights but this tid bit I loved to bits. Subscribed
Terminator Salvation is one of only a handful of movies Ive ever walked out on. Cameron hated it. I thought you were too kind to that pile of shit and i didnt even get to the rape part. Im Judgment Day all the way and that should have been the end if you ask me. Good video tho
Cameron is notorious for flip flopping. He endorsed both T3 and Salvation at the times they were released, now he claims he hates them. He also endorsed Genysis and now he says he hates that one as well. Arnold says the same thing. They just go by what the fans say, if the fans like it they are cool with it, but if the fans hate it they both flip flop to condemn it.
Pixar The Great It might be contractual to endorse a movie up to and a little after its release, and then once the contract is over, they can actually say what they really think.
Eh...I chalk it up the "New appeal" wearing off. WHen Star Wars TFA came out, fans chalked it up to being the best in the franchise. A month passed, and a lot of people wrote it off. Including George Lucas who originally loved the film during the initial airing only to pretty much calling it a "movie made by committee" weeks later.
I agree. T3 was the logical conclusion to the series. It updated the concept of Skynet to make it at least somewhat believable for the 21st century and set the stage for the final war between mankind and the machines. I think the only reason it gets hate is that nearly 20 years had passed since the first film was released (not to mention over a decade since T2) and people forgot to take off their rose-tinted glasses before entering the theater.
I do think Rise of the Machines gets a bit too much unfair hate especially when compared to Salvation which was just DULL as all hell and Genysis was just a trashy overly convoluted garbage fire.
In response to your gripe about Salvation's Terminators being easily destroyed by normal weapons, I believe you missed an important tidbit from the first Terminator: Kyle Reese mentions that the first Terminators Skynet created (T-600s) were big, clunky, and had plastic skin, making them easily identifiable by humans, thus easily disposed of. Skynet then creates the new versions, made from a stronger alloy and having real human skin, now making them harder to discern from normal humans. This makes sense, in that at the end of Salvation, the first T-800s are being made on an assembly line, and the first T-800 fights John Connor. You can see the difference in the Terminators: T-600s were destroyed fairly easily, but during the fight with the T-800, John Connor could not destroy it with his normal weapons.
kinda tickle me how 800 ripped up that bedside killbot like his own kind were now obsolete crap- plus his portrail kind of did for him what alien 3 did for the xenomorph: re establish the threat level of a singular threat of great durability.
There's one line about the 600s in Terminator: "The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy." Nothing about them being easy to destroy, only being easy to spot.
While not mentioned in the movie, the novelization of The Terminator has Reese speculating on what series of terminator he's going to face, hoping it was a 700-series so he'll actually have a chance of destroying it with primitive 1980s firearms. Stands to reason that the previous generation, the 600-series, would be even easier to destroy.
T1 - Amazing (B budget) T2 - Amazing (Most expensive movie at that time) T3 - Not exist T4 - Not exist T5 - Not exist T6 - I hope amazing R rated (Average budget)
Terminator Salvation suffered from this undying need to show off how good our CGI effects are in daylight. It therefore had to take place above ground in the daytime, entirely against the original way it was presented to us by Cameron in the first two films. It should have been set at night when they were outside and, during daylight, they stayed below ground. That was how we understood it. Salvation destroyed that idea by having so much happen in daylight, like I said, just so that they could show off the effects. That's the problem with a lot of film-making right now.
That and the fact that Hollywood people don't seem to have a clue of how a real war looks like and how harsh a post nuclear war world would be like. They clearly have the budget to get some real military guys on as advisers but why would you even think of that when you have the brain the size of a peanut.
Ever since I was a kid growing up watching the living hell out of the first two films...I always wanted to see a war film taking place in Terminator's future. Then T3 came and killed most of my love for the franchise. Then Salvation, the war movie a lot of us been waiting for...and all hope was lost. I think what kicked this movie, and a lot of issues in general with the way Hollywood is working these days, is trying to put too much into a movie hoping to further serve a larger ongoing franchise by inadequate newb directors. What also could had saved Salvation was if it had a legit director known for war flicks and it came during a time when war films were all the rage in Hollywood. As sad as it to say, just remake Saving Private Ryan and remove the nazis for robots and it would have been half way there to being the future war movie we all hoped to have.
I thought it was because the human resistance was still in pretty good shape in comparison to what was shown in Michael Biehn's flashbacks. They still had A-10s and a sub, ha. And Skynet only had big HKs and primitive terminators incapable of infiltration. Made sense to me :p
@@romulusnuma116 Yes T2 is the best one from a technical standpoint imo, very well produced, top notch VFX, the lighting is amazing, but it doesn't make that much sense related to T1 regarding story. I wish T1 was made with T2 budget.
@@trinidad17 Skynet senses timeline changes, and keeps sending better terminators to ensure its survival. T-600 with rubber skin, T-700 extra strong, T-800 with flesh and standalone infiltration AI (from 2029 to 1984, followed by Kyle Reese), T-X liquid metal coated metal with DNA sampler/plasma gun/flamethrower/circular saw/hacker bots, T-1000 liquid metal (from 2029 to 1995, followed by T-800), T-3000 liquid dark metal spawn of T-5000 Skynet, and T-H augmented human.
It suffers from something a lot of stories that involve time travel, or should I say convoluted time travel. Writers have great difficulty to maintain logic in a time travel story (cause and effect). Or writers use time travel as an excuse that suddenly everything becomes possible, basically ditching all logic. In Terminator 1 history was actually preserved through time travel, check The Terminator with all the cut pieces restored. Terminator 2 kind of threw a wrench in the works when Cyberdyne's research facility was blown up and all the remnants of the first terminator (and those of the second for that matter) were destroyed. After that the writers went through all kinds of excuses to make Terminator movies happen.
I couldn't agree more. We know that you can't simply change history in the way that Skynet is trying but that is because it is a machine and can only "think" in 1s and 0s. Genisys made no sense from a time travelling perspective as you say "Cause and effect" for example you kill your grandaddy before he fathers your daddy then you will not exist and neither of course can you go back to do the deed and the deed - even the thought of the deed is cancelled out.
Well there is a theory that if one would for example cause the grandfather paradox that one would "create" a universe/timeline in which the person killing their own grandfather would not exist, but that this timeline would be inaccessible to the time traveler. (he or she can not travel to the universe/timeline in which they successfully killed their own grandparent) But that is just a mental exercise in possibilities and I would not put too much importance in it (I think it is mostly a writer made up theory), especially not in the context of the Terminator movies which makes it clear that there is only "one" timeline.
why didn't any of these screenwriters call up a theoretical physicist for advice on how to write a time-travel paradox? If I thought of that , then these idiots could definitely have done it....
Genisys was the best, skynet figured out that since John was one step behind in time giving him an advantage, he didn't have to fight him in the past, but he only had to infiltrate the "resistance" (the bad guys) to become one with him before sending his father back in time to impregnate his mother. Connor was the villain not skynet, he sacrificed humanity for his own paradoxical existence.
What I loved about the first Terminator film is how it's more akin to a horror movie than an action flick. Most people don't recognize it, but it's quite effective at inducing terror. The unstoppable assailant mostly attacking at night isn't that dissimilar from slasher films released during the same time period. The Terminator isn't all that different in his methods or approach compared to Jason Voorhees from the Friday the 13th franchise or Michael Myers from the Halloween franchise. There's body horror elements (The Terminator cutting out it's biological eye and performing self surgery on it's arm, or when his flesh exterior becomes increasingly mangled while still trying to kill Sarah Connor). The imagery of the de-fleshed terminator is like an incarnation of death itself. A grim reaper made from high-tech metal alloys. And during the last scenes when the terminator has lost it's legs and is crawling towards Sarah Connor as she desperately tries to get away and fumble for the controls of the hydraulic press as the terminator is trying to strangle her to death. Does it really differ significantly from other scenes in horror films where the antagonist is trying to get their hands on the protagonist fighting for their lives? Or how about the bleak sense of impending doom that the scenes of the future presents us with? With all this in mind, The Terminator goes above and beyond in the horror genre.
“most people don’t recognise it” is the sentence that makes you sound like a giant condescending prick that resulted in me not givin a shit about your essay
If you watch the scene in question from demon with a glass hand, it's almost word for word the same speech Reece gives Sarah in the car about how the Terminator can't be reasoned with, etc.
Damn copyright. Taking down entire youtube channels bc they used 6 seconds of a distorted memes song.... **meanwhile** Steals inspiration from someone elses idea for a multi million movie franchise...... Annnnnd nothing.
It's a great T.V. series, but they made a mistake in the time-line by claiming Sarah Connor dies of breast cancer, in the future. She didn't die between T2 and T3 (she wasn't in the coffin) and in the original T2 script, in the future Sarah Connor works sending equipment to the front line, via trains.
Absolutely...a brilliant series. It wasn't just the writers strike that killed it, but also rested heavily on the success of T4 before they decided to continue onto a third season. In most cases the series took on a more family drama feel to it, rather than just an adult only action fest. However it's weird seeing Lena Heady and that Genisys 'Sarah Connor'..whatever version together in Game of Thrones. Which the music score is conducted by the same composer of TSCC.
It's 2019, Terminator 6, and they're still doing the time travel stuff. Just show the damn war already! I actually thought Terminator 4 was on the right track, just poorly executed.
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Great series and subbed, but forgive me. Isn't Arnold the T-800 and not the 101?
Hey, that's a good question and one that always makes me go back and look it up. It's a bit confusing, as Arnold is an 800 series, model 101. In T3 he refers to himself as a T101, and is in fact part of the 850 series in that movie. In the same movie (I think in the extras) he's also called a T850.
Salvation is the first time anyone says T-800, and Genisys is the first time Arnold calls himself a T-800. But the number 101, according to Cameron, designates appearance, so all 101s look like Arnie.
So in short, I think maybe T-800 is more technically accurate, but really they're both the same thing.
Until the next thing comes out and his canonical name becomes Pops.
ATWDigital Arnold is a T800 and the Arnold version is the 101. As evidenced in the dream/nightmare/flashback sequence of Reese where a Terminator infoltrates the bunker... a T800(that is not Arnold) systematically kills everyone in the bunker(the scene where Reese is looking at the burning photo of Sarah). In T3 he is an upgraded endoskeleton T850(with the nuclear power cell), still with the outer skin of series model 101. This is something thats always bothered me. Cuz tho I dig Arnie as the Terminator(even in the lesser sequels)... having so many of the T800s being Arnold betrays the entire idea of their technological advancement. They were technological triumphs for Skynet as they were so difficult to spot being that they had organic outer covering(as opposed to the early rubber skin of the preceeding models)... bad breath etc. If they all looked like Arnold or if they were as common as it would appear to be(since he kept popping up as a T800) it kind of defeats the purpose of them being so lifelike... arguably easier to spot as spotting Arnold in the remnants of humanity wouldnt exactly be a difficult task lol I always wished theyd peppered the other movies with more T800s that were portrayed by other performers... like in Salvation(tho I loathe that film) have a different Terminator be brought out of the factory to attack Connor/Marcus and have an Arnold model in the background amongst a sea of other iterations with other skins. Because Skynet would have to be smarter than to only make one version of the T800 to attempt to blend in and infiltrate the resistance haha Shame none of the other writeres or filmmakers beyond T2 thought of this. They gave an explanation for his being "chosen" in 3. But ultimately even if they give reason to his being the ine utilized in Genysis, it wouldve been far more refreshing to see that even though weve seen 5 different T800(4 rather and a T850) that look just like Arnolds 101... if they had shown a wide variety of T800s.
He is a T-800 model 101 from cyberdyne system.
aneanthesieus not in 3... hes a T850 in 3... but the point is/was that the skin that covers the T800 endoskeleton that makes them look like Arnold is model 101. T800s do not all look like Arnold. Merely the systems model 101s
Nice to know about the skin layer being the model 101. Tho there is only 2 terminator movies...
My personal Terminator timeline goes like this:
1) The Terminator
2) Terminator 2
3) The Matrix
The matrix and the terminator are two different universes
Hmm ... maybe John Connor was THE FIRST Neo ... who became Agent Smith and ... and went back to father Palpatine ...
I get it....after the machines complete their takeover...they begin farming what's left of us....leading to the events in the matrix. Also..your comment is so suprisingly awesome that i'm not scrolling down any further..cause how can it get any better.
My personal Blade Runner timeline goes:
1. Blade Runner
2. Blade Runner 2049
3. nuBSG
@@fearglitchdragon7237 yah but they do have the same story line with AI taking over the world so would be easy to cross them that would of been a sick twist at the end of matrix 3 the terminator music kicks in .
Terminator 1 and 2 are two of my absolute FAVORITE movies of all time. T1 for being an amazing Thriller/Horror movie, and T2 for being one HELL of an Action movie and Fantastic sequel.
Alt Right Knight while I loved T2, I feel like after it, every movie tried to one up the action sequences and technology.. I feel like the thriller/horror take is the way to go with any movies in the future and I hope dark fate does just that... but I would take a mix between 1&2 easily...
The horror/thriller terminator aspect was evident in T2, but it was a bit reduced... which worked.. but again... getting back to that would be great.
OJ could’ve never been a Terminator. The gloves would never fit.
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I guess only a handful of people here understand this gag! :)
All the police scenes would be aced on the first shot.
Terminators were always pretty good on sizing up clothes at a glance.
Good One!!!
The year is 2019. Damn you were right about a sequel.
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@jemielnic the worst part is. the timeline makes no sense in it. old sarah conner in modern environment like after genisys. old T-800 or the T-800 100 convert from genisys. who the fuck is the kid. and who, what the fuck is that wanna be man looking thing with kid.
what the fuck is that terminator. its like they are copying the T-X from terminator 3 but making even less sense
Now that Edward f is reprising John Connor in dark fate I’ll probably go see it.
@Christopher Marlowe How can you see that trailer, watch an actor named Gabriel Luna and then think the killer robot from the future that has no sexual preference is a straight, white guy? God damn, conservatives are fucking stupid.
@@zachiswayposi1 Bingo! Conservatives have become the biggest whiners now. The anti-SJWs have impressively surpassed the annoyance of the original SJWs. The antagonist terminator in Dark Fate is NOT a white male. The actor is mixed. The movie is taking place in Mexico and hence the actors. In the end of T1, and also in T2, that's where they are headed, to Mexico. The movie continues from there. Obviously the terminator want to look the part, hence he's of Mexican descent. But here we are again, the anti-SJWs WHINING about "ORMGERDDDDD, A STRONG FEMALE LEAD?!?! SJWWWWWWWWW". Fucking retards.
The worst thing about Genisys is how awful Jai Courtney is. He said in an interview that he didn't do any research, not even watching the original film, and it really shows. Compare that to Michael Biehn who went and interviewed survivors from anti nazi resistance groups in the Second World War to get an idea of how people in resistance groups think and feel.
Biehn gave a masterful performance as Kyle Reese (and young Anton Yelchin was ok), Courtney was fucking dreadful.
Agreed. He was just "generic handsome action star man" instead of Kyle Reese. Reese was a scrappy, resourceful, scarred survivor of war that still had just a spark of hope left. Courtney was just bland with no soul.
What bugged me most of Jai Courtney's Reese was his body ... fully built, no scars. How the heck could someone get that kind of body in a bleak and desperate future?
Agree. Courtney & Emily was mis-casted. Jay didn’t look like he have no problem getting 5000 calorie and personal gym trainer. Emily is 5’2. She is not physically menacing as Linda Hamilton. Most of her dialogue, especially the shower locker scene, If it wasnt for GOT dragon queen I would think she is a horrible actor
The worst thing about any movie is how awful Jai Courtney is
Salvation Reese is actually ok when you rewatch it. After all the new terminators salvation is almost as good as the first 2.
I remember hearing Cameron in an interview in the 80's saying that he loved Arnold in the role because everything unusual about him worked with the character. His bulk made it seem like it could be the result of being skin grown on top of a robot (with Franco Colombu's cameo reinforcing that idea), and his accent made it seem like Skynet hadn't quite nailed the finer points of human speech and inflection.
After all these years, T2 still holds strong!
Yeah, T2 is one of the top 10 g.o.a.t. Cameron knows his shit
pretty sure T2 beats all movies in 2019 still.
I only recognize the first three Terminator to be my favorite but I still like Terminator 3 rise of the Machines I like the humor and I like the story
I feel like Salvation was a really wasted opportunity to make a film set entirely in the war between skynet and the resistance. It always looked so much cooler with laser guns and that used scifi aesthetic...
Yeah you're right - Cameron apparently once said something like 'you want to make the one in the war, that's the one to make.' So wasted opportunity is probably exactly right.
I really loved the start of salvation with the minigun-wielding terminator in the streets....... I think if the movie had more of that it wouldn't have been as bad..... also I loved how blue everything was on T1 and T2 and I would have loved if that was in salvation......... terminator genesis made me think of the far cry blood dragon DLC
TheFatspud seemed weird that Connor&Co were putting down terminators with traditional carbines, but I guess that earlier models were weaker as T800 seemed almost indestructable by surviving direct grenade hits and even molten metal. And what it's worth, Bale kinda looked like that future-John in the beginning of T2 even if he ruined the role a bit with that funny batman-talk.
It sort of makes sense.
Skynet would only start off the war with whatever unmanned equipment that had entered service in the US before the war. Skynet would have to build their first Terminators out of steel, rather than titanium, as it's a very scarce and labor-intensive material to work with.
The war wages for about 30 years before humanity wins, so Skynet should have worse stuff to begin with.
I'm probably one of the few people who enjoyed that one, although it definitly could have been better executed. I remember they were kicking around the concept of future wars for years, dating back to the toy series and comics that came out when I was a kid, and I still find it amusing they made kids toys out of graphic r rated movies back then.
When salvation was first announced I vaguely recall the creators mentioning they were gonna make that the next trilogy, which could have been pretty cool. then it bombed worse than judgment day, so they tried to reboot it with genisys, and we all know how that train wreck turned out.
Too bad you didn't make this after TERMINATOR: DARK FATE was released...
"An ultra-violent, no-nonsense thriller, about a bulletproof man who drives a truck through the window of a police station."
I agree, a perfect film.
The only problem with the comment is he actually drove a car through the window - a late 70's Chevy Nova
@Jay Lex Oops you are correct sir!
The next T movie in the series should just cover the uprising, with humans being brutally eliminated by the andriods for 2 hours continually.
Game of thrones style everyone dies. Written and filmed in True Greek Tragedy style just when you think it can't get worse, it does...
and endless horror film... Because that is what a war between machines and humans would be like. ruclips.net/video/_sBBaNYex3E/видео.html
Terminator is not ultra violent!! The saw series and hostel trilogy is ultra violent I love the first 2 films epic piece of film history
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Terminator 2 scared my 7 year old mind, the playground scene solidified the concept of death and fragility of life, the milk carton scene introduced me to the idea that your mother could be a liquid metal assassin.Terminator 2 changed my life. I don't think anyone could say that about Terminator Genesis.
Imagine finding out after 35 years of deception your own mother and father were insidiously and deceptively disguised as parents who love you when they were your killers the entire time! True story.
@Pecan Pie Off topic a bit but yeah...
Byron Dare the scene of the end of the world scared the shit out of me haha I was little! The liquid metal guy scared the shit outta me to
If you were 7 when you watched genesis, you'd probably be pretty fucked up too
Moral of the story: Don't trust your mother. She's metal as hell.
Genisys: “I am the worst film in the franchise.”
Dark Fate: “Hold my beer.”
nah, both are bad but genisys is the worst by far
@@victorfergn Yes Genisys is WAY worse. Dark Fate has a lot of decent things in it despite overall being only okay. It is the third best movie.
Dark Fate is much better than T3, Salvation and Genisys. Most people hate it because it has the audacity to present three women as the protagonists (and one of them is Mexican!!!). But any of them is far better in her role than Danaerys or Jai Courtney.
Lol I sorta liked Genisys it had decent plot points I was also curious as to who sent the guardian back. *This is just my opinion ffs. *
My favourite is T1 and T2 though I say it ended there.
@@dani3po THere's just nothing original about it really. It's just the Terminator 1-2 again, except delayed 30 years with different robots, and feminist facade to attempt to capture both male and female market segments.
Except the feminists aren't interested in an Arnold film because of his prior exploits (maid, sexual harassment stuff), or action sci fi generally.
And now the Arnold/scifi fans would rather download it on torrent than pay for it.
I watched/bought it. But it has the same conclusion as T3 (future is inevitable). But the attempt to broaden the market, back fired.
Also the future war depicted in Dark Fate doesn't look interesting at all. A bad copy of Live Die Repeat, or matrix reloaded. And show Danny as tough bad ass in the future was more laughable than inspiring.
I loved it how in T1 terminator was practical from start to finish, pretty much took first clothes he found and didn't wear sunglasses until losing the eye and used sunglasses to cover it. He even got the "cool" short haircut because his hair burned away for crying out loud. Then T2 started this fancypants cool trend where terminator came from the future having gel on his hair, only accepts certain type of cool leather clothes and of course sunglasses from get go just because Cool. Blehh. But still T2 was great too.
YoStu spot on! T2 etc were more about Arnie the superstar playing the terminator, rather than just focussing on what the terminator would realistically do and why it would do it. the gritty realism of the original is what makes it the best.
He took the cool clothes because they fit him, and glasses for his eyes in advance since it was reprogrammed, it learned more.
I agree. Except T2 is noty great in my opinion. Watered down violence and preaching about human life. No thanks.
T2 was the best
I think Cameron was mellowing out by this point. He was putting the brakes on ultra violence in his movies and stopped eating meat.
t1 and t2 kind of resemble alien and aliens in the tesion/action and there success . all great movies
Simple: T1 made you FEAR the Terminator.
T2 made you LIKE the Terminator.
The rest didn't make you feel anything for the "Terminator".
the rest made you just laugh at the terminator.
Terminatorr 6 - Full on slapstick comedy
Airplane: Robot war.
terminator 6 - germ warfare, in which the original t-100 gets sent back to primordial earth to kill the puddle we bipeds crawled out of.
James Cameron stated he wants to start a new trilogy, it will be as follows:
- The Feminator
- Feminator 2: Day of Misogyny
- Feminator 3: Rise of the Patriarchy
"Don't Touch My Uterus"
Terminators on a plane?
tylerx2f01 and a Benny Hill chase scene lol
"what will it be like? Well god knows"
Now we all know.
And wish we didn't
i like this one, the new villain was really hard to kill, sarah connor had an interesting development, and the idea of a terminator without a mission would live the disguise
Still think a movie set during the fall of humanity, that dark point when the machines are still finding out the best way to fight and the people are scrambling to survive, would be a heck of a lot more fun than the new movies have been.
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completely agree
Genesys sucks. The constant need in Hollywood to introduce smartphone technology into sequels and remakes to "attract kids" f%$#ing ruins everything. Especially the dirty, gritty, post apoc feeling of the first two.
The original Terminator was Yul Brynner in Westworld, a robot that malfunctioned and went after one of the guests in a fantasy theme park full of robots.
shane bingham Yep, l saw Westworld last year and couldn't believe how similar the Terminators were to Yul Bryner's character; the menacing walking, the (non) facial expressions, the relentless, murderous attitude etc. Cameron owes a thing or two to that movie.
@@Justify-My-Hate Well, watch pretty much any of James Cameron's films and you'll see that he owes a lot to a lot of movies. 😅 Especially Avatar. The man can craft exciting, endearing, visually and technologically groundbreaking films... But originality in the story and screenplay department is not exactly his strong suit.
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Arnie did mention Yul Brynner's performance in Westworld as a major source of inspiration. He is absolutely terrifying (Brynner) in Westworld. Fantastic film that predated Terminator by a decade!
Terminator 2 was the best. It had the most depth of story. For example, in the scene where the Terminator, young John and Sarah are at the rest stop and the Terminator and young John are sitting together watching the little kids running around pretending to shoot one another. John says to the Terminator "we're not going to make it are we?" and the Terminator says "it's in your nature to destroy yourselves". That scene calls into question who the real monsters are. The Terminators or us humans that have a violent nature and created the terminators to kill in the first place? Then the ending. where the Terminator is destroying himself in the molten metal to Protect John. So it shows that the Terminator learned to care. And then the end scene of Sarah and John driving down the dark highway and Sarah saying "If a Terminator, a killing machine can learn the value of a human life, maybe we can too". Right there they should have ended it. It was a good ending. By them making more sequels, they made the entire series pointless. Pointless because basically what the other movies said was that the humans can't win no matter what. They might change the timeline here and there, but no matter how hard the humans try to win against the machines, the outcome will always be the same. The machines will kill the humans and the humans will fight back. A never ending struggle.
T2 is my favorite for multiple reasons~~
I just believe (for myself) it had: a stronger narrative I could emotionally invest myself in, better character/actor chemistry, an improved score, and was more emotionally evocative/thought provoking (the extra polish didn't hurt either). That being said the first is excellent in a very raw/nasty/visceral sort of way~ I can see why the first is the favorite of many; just not what I appreciate most in film/cinema.
Agreed on the strength of T2 as a movie. It's a great, well-told story. The interaction between Schwarzenegger and Ed Furlong is a great story. I still put T2 just a half notch below the first though - that first movie was amazing.
Every time, I think of Edward Furlong, this comes to my mind:
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Correct me, if I´m wrong, but that´s him at the beginning of the joke, isn´t he??
Logic at its finest:
"Yeah the second movie was better in almost every way, but the first one was better because of nostalgia"
@@CayeDaws Not really, the first one was much better in terms in horror, it had a much darker and gritty atmosphere then the other films, but both are amazing.
“I believe there will be a sequel, but not sure where it will go”
Man do I have some unfortunate news for you!
T1 is definitely my favorite in the series, but I must say: the T-1000 in T2 is still, to this day, the best movie antagonist of all time. A perfect synthesis of actor portrayal, practical, and CG effects to create a villain that is terrifying, always threatening, totally unique and yet utterly believable.
Angmor Dagnithil i would give that title to Darth Vader, but thats just me
I agree, T-1000 was fucking absolutely terrifying. I used to have nightmares when I was a kid about him.
It really says something when a villain can make Arnold's character look like the underdog in a fist fight.
@@jasonvoorheesthethird i dont think so, what made the T-1000 so scary was that he could look and sound like other people. so the T-1000 could be anywhere and you would have no idea until it was too late
I'm still waaaay more scared of Arnie in T1 and it's entirely because of that animatronic prosthetic head they used. Turns out using a slightly cheap, unvonvincing fake head for your slightly unconvincg robot villain results in uncanny overload. I still find the film almost unwatchable because of how uncomfortable it makes me.
Salvation is set in T3's future, which explains why it's so different. Skynet is software in cyberspace, not an advanced microchip. The bombs did not drop until 2004, thus placing the human race in a very different position than they were in 1997. All of those factors led to a world that even John Connor didn't recognize. Furthermore, it was set over a decade before the future we saw in the first two movies, so there's still room for things to degenerate further.
Exactly what i was thinking
Agreed. I would have loved another 2 films set in that future and ending in Cameron's future.
yea i still hope we get a sequel to that franchisie. Hopefully ending it.
Agreed they just rolled out the first T800 models that would change the course of the war to that grim one in T1 and 2
I'm pretty sure T4 does not take T3 as cannon. We don't know what happened between T2 and t4
How they have changed...
T1- Classic
T2- Phenomenal
T3- Garbage
TS- Hot Garbage
TG- Hot Flaming Garbage
TDF- Hot Flaming Recycled Garbage
You are an absolute genius and I think I love you for it.
Terminator resistance-The game we needed, but not deserved
T3 was quite good.... Atleast faar from garbage
Yeah I’ve only seen up to t2 t1 is my favourite but I can’t be bothered sitting through the sequels
Dude... Why you dissing Salvation like that? At least it moved to a more different direction from the time travel group
"T3 didn't descend into self parody"
"Arnold wears stripper glasses"
...
Just like the guy in the video just said. the terminator movies have always a little of humor on them.
Nah, 3 went over a precipitous drop, it was shit, let's be honest
@@uncannyvalley2350 no it wasnt, when you compare the movies (which you should never do) then yes but as a movie itself it wasnt bad. Terminator fans do the mistake that they compare everything to the first two entries but to be honest in that regard t2 was also the unnecesary entry that destroyed the timeline/franchise. The terminator closed the loop and made a perfect thing and cameron didnt expect for there to be a sequel because of his history with directing so there was nothing to add except the war against machines in the future but t2 destroyed the timeline of the first movie and made even worse one (thanks a lot john) but both movies have a somewhat definitive ending and that isnt a problem in t1 because of the loop but t2s definitive ending destroyed the possibility of another movies to milk the gold for hollywood and came against everything t1 was t1 was a horror movie while t2 is an action movie t1 make arnie the bad guy and builds hopelesness but t2 destroys that with the whole he is reprogrammed friend t2 was actually the first step to destroying the legacy of the terminator franchise I dont hate t2 but I dont see it as a movie that is better than t1 as t1 is the best terminator movie and everything after that is a watchable parody even t2. lets face it, all terminator movies by themselfs are good but t1 simply stands out as best. Future john according to kyle was a wise guy and he is john he would save the people and destroy skynet if possible but because he is in the future and already lived it all he knows that skynet is the only ai that humanity can win against so he doesnt arogantly try to destroy skynet in the past but in the future in the war he was preparing for all his life.
STRIPPER GLASSES?
*Elton John* glasses
@@jindrichsander7271 that's kind of the point, though. T2 was so well made, that it didn't even matter that it was a redundant movie. T3 is well beyond redundant and offers up a lesser experience, more cheese, and less polish than the first two. That makes it objectively, a worse movie, and the weakest of the three.
Everything after that, is just bad. Which is a real shame, because I would STILL support the idea of a future war version, but the Bale film just didn't deliver, and is now a wasted opportunity, they wont get back.
The problem with Terminator 3 was changing the theme from "No Fate from what you make" to "Destiny is inevitable" crushed the series. T4 was awful and T5 tried too hard...
The real problem with T3 and onwards is that in the second movie, with the T-1000, T-800 chip and arm, and Arnold himself all being destroyed in the steel mill, there were no parts to reverse-engineer, becuase Cyberdyne stystems was also destroyed. The second movie basically said we can and will prevent Judgement Day. Yet, T3 went right around and said Lol no
Now we have all this bullshit. To me, Any Terminator movie after T2 is NOT canon.
ExodusBF4 it’s because you’re not open to the many possible different timelines.
Kyle explained it perfectly in T1.
Now what any creator can do with that is up to them. The worst one is T3 because it DIDNT try anything new.
@@vectra8412 one thing everyone forgets...the arm that gets ripped off in the gears at the end of T2
It should have ended after Terminator 2.
It should have ended after Terminator two but if they wanted to do a sequel it had to jump 35 years so we can actually see the future War
@Jeeses99 that was taken out of the movie mainly because they wanted to leave it open for a sequel do you think that soon should have been put back in
no, it should have not
Salvation is the Best sequeal out of all of them its not the greatest movie but shit i would take that over 3,genesis, and dark fate
not really, there is plenty of room and the stories of the sequels arnt perse bad, its just poorly executed and again...that PG13 need ruins it all
The thing I found most appealing about the T1000 is that it took on the appearance or at least the default appearance I'm a relatively regular looking guy. That was a big part of Robert Patrick's appeal as an actor and in a lot of ways still is. He is what many people would refer to as and every man. After all an effective Terminator has to be someone who Blends in relatively well. even in the 80s an Austrian bodybuilder in full biker regalia would draw a lot of attention to himself.
I think it was in the novelisation that explained that the chassis needed to be a certain size to contain all of the needed components, which then required a large human shape outside to contain it all.
I always thought the actor they picked for the T1000 was not only average, but actually very good-looking with a pleasant voice and speech pattern. I don't know if this kind of appeal was intentional or not in the casting process, but it made the surprise all the greater for me when I first watched this movie. It made me go "What?? He's the killer? Aw, but he seemed so nice!" Lol
In the 80's he wore punk clothing not biker gear.
elitadream apparently he was the “Porche” to Arnie’s “Tank” - sleeker, sexier and deadlier.
@@elitadream He comes off as unassuming until the reveal in the mall, at least that is how I remember seeing it. There are hints at his more sinister qualities throughout the opening. Robert Patrick did an amazing job. We do not see or hear the stabbing sound when he copies the police officer.
Terminator 1984 - "Come with me if you wanna live"
Terminator 2019 - "Down with toxic masculinity!"
While DF's cold and paranoid Sarah is pretty much that incarnate.
It went from "amazing" to "arguably even better" to "ummm... I guess" to "hmm, not bad" to "yeah, imma head out"
Thinking retrospectively, I think The Terminator(1984) is the superior film of the franchise because it seeks to understand and explore the Terminator as a character - at least more so than the other films. I mean, there were entire sequences in the film that followed Arnold around, sans any 'hero' character, and showed things from his perspective, purely to help develop him as a character and prove that he was exactly what Reese said he was, and show how ruthless he was. The other films seemed to restrict their terminator characters purely to 'look what they can do now' and to raise the stakes for the protagonists of the films. The other terminator characters all sort of just relied on the character development from the first film, being little more than robotic supermen following John Connor around.
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I agree it was a great dark film and while T2 had the great special effects it was made with a 100 million dollar budget while the first film had a budget of 6 million. I also thought the Sarah Conner Chronicles was pretty good as well better than any of the films that followed T2.
I think the Reese character among many other things makes the first one superior. Its not messing around...the terminator is something scary.
The Terminator (1984) was a science fiction horror movie.
Kalvin Wike precisely: the best sci fi, fantasy etc often has a strong element of horror.
filmschoolrejects.com/25-movie-sequels-better-than-original/ screenrant.com/terminator-movies-ranked-worst-best/ Well there are other movies better than Terminator 1: Back to the Future, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters, Godzilla (1954), The Thing, etc.
The Terminator franchise is remarkably similar to Aliens: genius high-concept genre film opener, genius high-action up-the-stakes sequel, followed by cynical cash-ins with increasingly diminishing returns, until we get to the modern pretentious twaddle that confirm that there wasn't much more to the initial idea than the first two movies captured perfectly but has become such a cash-cow franchise that we'll be subjected to endless fruitless attempts at reclaiming the glory until the end of time.
both have flawed but imo underrated third entries too.
The problem though as you say with film quality and aesthetics is that Genisys made alot of money, globally. So, they have to fix the franchise or put out another uninspired sequel.
I'll defend the aliens sequels on one ground: 3 & 4 were at least weird, singular films that very overtly come from the particular voices involved. Terminator 3 & 4 were just generic.
Not to forget that in both series the first two are the best (and arguably the only two worth watching)
Correct man! Good comment!😃
I know one major difference:
The Terminator franchise went from being a breakthrough in the 1980s, to being a blockbuster in the 1990s, to being a bummer from the 2000s and onward.
I would argue that salvation takes place a few years before James Cameron's vision. While humans still have supplies from the pre-war era. Give it another year or two those supplies will diminish.
Lady Wanderer
It makes plenty of sense.
TS takes place before Skynets next big advancements.
The humans are already barely holding on.
Then Skynet introduces T-800s and laser-guns.
Humans no longer stand a chance.
Perpetual night missions. Avoiding daytime activities. Running from a practically unkillable enemy.
TS is set in 2018. Cameron's future war was set in 2029.
@Lady Wanderer the only way it makes sense to me is that the war was postponed in t2 so maybe technology in a whole was more advanced when the war really starts in whatever year t3 came out
1991: "I'll be back"
2019: "Oh my back!"
1990 Eaten Back to Life
Hahahahaha
That is funny. "Oh my back"
What so YOU think of the new one?
Adam Diedrichs English please?
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The Terminator
Terminator 2 : Judgement day
Terminator 3 : Rise of the machines
Terminator Salvation
Terminator Genisys
Terminator Dark Fate
Super ChaseYT Genisys*
Feminator*
Booooooo
@@Wade_Fucking_Wilson and how feminists changed the plot just to justify their existence...
You forgot The Sarah Connor Chronicles
@@bojangbg except now the movie has come out and it shows you are completely wrong, just because most of the cast is female doesn't make it a fuckin chick flick.
What, you don't remember that scene where Kyle Reese reports in to and tries to brief the marmalade cat?
BiscuitHead pardon?
For me there's only two films in the series - and three apocryphal ones that are fan fiction, like you said about the fifth.
I LOVED the "sentimentality" of T2. It was such a daring and different way to go after the bleakness of the first film. And imo, Sarah Conner carving "No Fate" on the table and zooming off by herself to change the future is one of the greatest scenes in 90's film. It goes against the entire zeitgeist of pop culture dystopias that T1 helped to set in motion, and it`s wonderful.
So for me, the ending totally compromises T3 and all the movies that come after it. I just have no interest in them.
About how the future looks in Terminator Salvation. That movie takes place in 2018 while the future scenes in other movies take place in 2029 or later. It stands to reason that both sides of the war look to be on equal ground due to it being an earlier point of the war opposed to it being over a decade later. In 2029, the human race is more run down and possibly lower on resources and morale while Skynet's forces continue to advance as well as learn more about humans. While the Human Resistance may have acquired weaponry on par with the Machines, possibly in limited number, that doesn't make them equal as humans get tired and die while Terminators are continuously made and made more advanced over the years.
i think what happened is that every terminator that went back, gave that much more of an edge to the people of the past. i want to think there is a terminator ∅ where Sarah still has a son named jon but he grows up and actually gets down with Claire Danes and her dad pushed them into crystal cave and eventually jon stepped up when he realized he could actually help and connect the resistance to each other, he becomes the voice that shared each advantage one group would find to the others, and basically became a legend. the robots are getting very tired of not being able to get him and form a plan to just kill his mom. one resistance cell tells him, they meet and he gives Kyle the picture and fills him in on where to find her, what she was like, and all the things his father told him was what he did to win her over. when the time machine is completed, and the Arnold bot chooses to go before she even meets the first Jon's dad. so then, _the terminator_ happened and this Jon is a little better prepared than the brother from another father. this key point is that he married the connection to crystal cave after tickling her downstairs at that party, so t1000 knows to stop Jon before that occurs. but now Arnold gives Jon more direct information. and so on and so on. and each time, the future is a little bit better, a little later and skynet is that much more matches. no fate but what we make, right?
i know this is two years old, but this is he first comment I've seen that actually put thought into why things were the way they were.
same shit as with star wars, movie ruined by weird callbacks to the classics and winks to the audience resulting in something that feels as homage/parody but is supposed to be a continuation
Kovacs Robert A case of two franchises that should have been left alone after the original classics? Yeah, I agree with that.
YOU SUCK STAR WARS Is COOL AND TERMINATOR AND you suck compared to those movies
@@reaperkillerr797 rude
Pepper Millers this comment is rude, Star Wars rocks, in my opinion the Terminator franchise ends with T3, the other two SUCK!!
@@NinthShinigami Terminator 2 already has a conclusive ending if you watched the Director's Cut.
The part about Salvation just reminds me of what a loss Anton Yelchin's death was. The film was garbage, directed by a manchild, but Yelchin was brilliant as Reese.
What I find impressive is how Yelchin managed to adopt the skittery mannerisms of Reese from the first film. I actually bought into him being a younger Reese.
There is a T1 and T2, the rest does not exist to me.
-That's the only way I can still love the Terminator movies.
Movies that we're not made out to be a trilogy in the first place, should never have any more than one sequel.
The terminator series Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is a worthwhile watch.
3 and salvation really aren’t that bad compared to the newer ones
With the acting and the depictions, I think The Terminator actually deserves to take itself seriously.
He's nicer to the films than I am. 1 and 2 were great and the rest just sucked. T3 was basically like a rejected version of T2. It's pretty much the same film but not at all interesting. Like someone telling Eddie Murphy jokes but without the timing or presence.
The Terminator franchise failed because it passed through the hands of several owners who had no interest in making Terminator movies. They thought merely owning the franchise was good enough. They thought they were also buying a built-in fanbase that would swallow anything made under the Terminator name.
mucgh like Disney - no interest in Star Wars as a concept or visionary piece of cinema as it originally was, but just the next money bucket for their execs
Each movie gets worse
Not 2
“I think the next sequel will be in 10 years”
2 years later
@El Cucuy Yes there are 3 movie timelines now if I'm not mistaken. A) Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 3, Terminator 4 B) Terminator, Terminator 5 and C) Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 6. So Timeline B ignores Terminator 2, Terminator 3 and Terminator 4 while TImeline C only ignores Terminator 3 and Terminator 4.
Kill of John Connor replace him with a woman Dark Fate.
Buddy, as a terminator fan, this video and your take on it is brilliant. Thank you for making it.
Didn't see Genisys because they spoiled the biggest plot twist in the trailer.
you are not missing much
the pre-film hype kept telling me that there is a new unbeatable terminator and then they show, not this new terminator, but the giant robot that scooped people up and brought them back to the concentration camp. I felt tricked.
Dat Boi I saw some quote from some critic saying, "The twist isn't what you think it is!" I saw the movie. The critic was wrong.
anyone who cares about seeing good films today knows not to watch trailers
I agree with you about the trailers for Genisys spoiling the plot twist but they did exactly the same thing with T2. The first third of T2 is deliberately filmed and edited so that it looks like it's a simple repeat of T1 with Robert Patrick instead of Michael Biehn as a human from the future sent to protect Connor from Arnold's Terminator. So it's as much a surprise to the viewer as it is to John when, in the first show-down in the corridor, Arnold protects him. Or at least it would be if the audience hadn't seen the trailers that specifically stated that Arnold was now the good guy there to protect him, thus completely undermining all the misdirection that Cameron had been carefully building up previously.
The Terminator: great
Terminator 2: almost perfect blockbuster
Terminator 3: garbage
Terminator 4: hot garbage
Terminator 5: dumpster fire
Kenny Lust only 1 and 2 exist
*checks media server*
Yup only 1 and 2 exist in my world
Here is one way to look at it. (no judgement on levels of quality are implied)
T1: Chase film
T2: Chase film
T3: Chase film
T4: NOT a chase film
T5: haven't seen it
Kenny Lust Terminator 3: hot garbage
Terminator 4: garbage
Kenny Lust Almost perfect? Almost? Brah Terminator 2 surpassed perfection.
Dogs don't get enough love for their ability to sniff/perceive terminators/threats.
I like the first one best as well. 2nd has the effects and all that shite, but 1 was rawwww!
I love your movie/actor/character/series reviews.
Even better when I know what it's about, lol
Ha ha! Yeah I bet. The second one certainly has a special place in my heart but I love the first.
Shavinism h
Yeah, in the first one you felt the tension and that a lot was at stake and the Kyle Reese characters was vulnerable but at the same time very competent and determined and you really cared for them both to succeed with their mission.
The first movie was one of the darkest movies ever. It's the only movie where the protagonists don't try to destroy Skynet or stop the future war. As an audience member you are forced to just commit to the idea that almost all of humanity is going to be wiped out, and the best you can hope for is that 3 generations or so down the road humanity will be left a nuclear wasteland to inhabit. There aren't many movies that force you to give up on hope in the way that the first Terminator does.
Shavinism I agree, although when I was younger, I still thought, T2 was the better one. But yeah, now that changed again back to the first one, you said it perfectly: "Rawwwww"!
But to me, pretty much every entry of the movies has at least something interesting going for it! Except for the fourth one! Fuck that movie!....
The flaming intro of Terminator 2 with the main theme gets me feeling so many ways I love love fucking love it
That one scene in Terminator 5 where they were captured by police and Inner Circle's "Bad Boys" starts playing made me Cringe so hard that the people sitting next to me in the cinema Cringed.
They should have made a third film in the future and recreated the same war torn grim, apocalyptic vision of the first film, following Kyle Reese and John Connor as they try to survive in the future before sending Reese to the past of 1984. Thats the movie we should have gotten and the only one we needed to find closure to this franchise.
But they got greedy, as Hollywood always does...
Avelier Plays James Cameron is going to direct the next one, so we can only hope.
We'll always have T1, T2 and T3:-)
To be fair, Terminator T4 worked and felt thrilling, at least interesting, because there was a great actor playing the role of John Connor and creating a solid character, Christian Bale; otherwise it would have been an obscure action-almost sci-fi-blockbuster with tenuous links to Terminator T1.
T5 seems like nonsense and the latest Terminator based on the the trailers is another PC infused nonsense with a thin plot.
Terminator came out of a nightmare that James Cameron had of a metal skeletal torso crawling across the ground towards him brandishing a kitchen knife. He painted the nightmare himself. He also supplied Stan Winston with elaborate illustrations to base the terminator design off of. The Harlan Ellison connection is the time travel part of the story - Cameron indeed admitted that he was inspired by Ellison's Outer Limits ep for the story of Terminator, so the settlement and name in the credits was well-deserved. (Cameron didn't set out to rip Ellison off, but things just shook out that way. That's why creatives need lawyers!)
IamSpacedad
Sophie Stewart wrote the Terminator/Matrix. Cameron stole her material. Look up court case.
Originality died in the 80s
@@Someone-u-know2 Fake news
Aliens and Terminator have in common apart from James Cameron, first 2 are awesome all the rest meh...
This is such a great analysis. I really hope to see an update after Terminator Dark Fate
From what I understand Salvation is at a much earlier point in the future than the Cameron shown future. Humanity is just starting to sink into the absolute bleakest point. Skynet is just getting established enough to barely started hunting down every last human.
The whole JC becoming the bad guy pissed me off so bad.
what pissed me off even more was that the trailer and TV spots pretty much gave away one of the biggest surprises of the film. I agree though, John Conner becoming a terminator was stupid. It should've been Matt Smith's Character.
The entire movie was a parody.
IKR- IT WAS LIKE SACRILEGE!!!
Absolutely agreed, man. That was just awful. In the beginning of the movie I actually was all like, "hey, I kind of like this actor's portrayal of John Connor, he's quite charismatic", and then he turns evil and becomes a Terminator? What? That's just horrible. John Connor is the hero, the chosen one of the story, he just doesn't work as a villain.
In T4, it's worth noting that the T-800 had not been deployed yet. It's there, but only noticed by die-hard fans of the series. The T-600s in the film were defeatable and it wasn't until the newer models came out that humans faced a real threat of losing. There is a scene near the end of the prototype T-800 tearing a T-600 in half, for example. Skynet learned from their mistakes and built a Terminator worth having.
I fee bad because that dumbass line about Kyle Reese using the magnet thingy to "find his keys" made me laugh out loud
Me too
maby because that was a genuine funny line, compared to the overdone "Comedy"
my favorite is part one because it has a horror feel and I like the music
I was born a good decade or so after the first terminator movie and I still think it’s a lot better than the modern ones, and is somehow more relevant than the ones made in the last 7 years.
I also think Arnold being so outstanding for an infiltration unit was a good thing, showing the arrogance/misunderstanding of Skynet of humanity since it wouldn’t have as much data about the past available to it.
And Terminator 2 is my favourite because they found the perfect upgrade villain
I've always wished the Terminator franchise had been left as just the first two films, Cameron's canon vision.
Terminator 3 was silly and a joke, it SUCKED.
Terminator 2 a MASTERPIECE!
Terminator 3 was so bad. It might just be the worst one.
T3 had an awesome ending though.
@@jimmy2k4o I actually got teary eyed at how it ended.
dying101666 tell me about it.
“Who’s in charge there?”
“I am”
:’(
T3 was about how the forced inclusion of women without substantiation ruins everything.
You know what would have been great... if they had flipped the script in one of these movies. Maybe pick up in the middle of Terminator 2 with a parallel plotline? What if... Skynet sent a Terminator back in time to protect Dr. Dyson, and this Terminator steps in when the heroes try and corner Dyson in his house in Terminator 2. Maybe... our heroes kill Dyson's family, and this Terminator helps Dyson escape... and the plot changes to our heroes hunting down Dyson as the bad guys.
💬💬Terminator 2 is one of the best films made. From the script, soundtrack, cinematography, direction and feel.
@El Cucuy 1st and 2nd were good for their own merits, love both of them equally. T1 made you fear the terminator, an pretty much unstoppable killing machine, and well T2, show's reprogramming Terminators could help human win, but amassing an army or at least a good 50 of them to help out in attacks. I think that would be the best place for the movie to go, show how the resistance captured and reprogrammed Arnie to go back in T2. I can't see it being an easy task, to get hold of one of those, and get the CPU out and reprogram. hence why it was only 1 sent.
Although a big issue for me with the whole time travel crap, of only living tissue can be sent, hence why no advance weapons could be sent. Really, how about spend 1 day, covering one of those dam energy rifles in the very same shit they covered the terminator with, job sorted, film over in 5 mins, future and humanity saved.
I enjoyed Salvation the only problem wasn't an 18 instead it was the usual "safe" movie for all
The comment about t4 and people sitting next to fires is a great insight. I don't agree on all your insights but this tid bit I loved to bits. Subscribed
Terminator Salvation is one of only a handful of movies Ive ever walked out on. Cameron hated it. I thought you were too kind to that pile of shit and i didnt even get to the rape part. Im Judgment Day all the way and that should have been the end if you ask me. Good video tho
Cameron is notorious for flip flopping. He endorsed both T3 and Salvation at the times they were released, now he claims he hates them. He also endorsed Genysis and now he says he hates that one as well. Arnold says the same thing. They just go by what the fans say, if the fans like it they are cool with it, but if the fans hate it they both flip flop to condemn it.
Pixar The Great It might be contractual to endorse a movie up to and a little after its release, and then once the contract is over, they can actually say what they really think.
Eh...I chalk it up the "New appeal" wearing off. WHen Star Wars TFA came out, fans chalked it up to being the best in the franchise. A month passed, and a lot of people wrote it off. Including George Lucas who originally loved the film during the initial airing only to pretty much calling it a "movie made by committee" weeks later.
I agree. T3 was the logical conclusion to the series. It updated the concept of Skynet to make it at least somewhat believable for the 21st century and set the stage for the final war between mankind and the machines. I think the only reason it gets hate is that nearly 20 years had passed since the first film was released (not to mention over a decade since T2) and people forgot to take off their rose-tinted glasses before entering the theater.
I lasted about 15 minutes into Salvation. It was just so badly made. T3 is mediocre, but nowhere near as bad as Salvation.
Great video. For me this franchise ends at T2.
yep
21:05 Arnie as T1 getting a mug shot. Absolutely hysterical. Ruins the movie but whoever had the idea must have been like, 'We must have this scene.'
i wanted a 90's movie style movie fighting terminators in the post apocalyptic wasteland
I do think Rise of the Machines gets a bit too much unfair hate especially when compared to Salvation which was just DULL as all hell and Genysis was just a trashy overly convoluted garbage fire.
Robert Patrick didn’t need a bike. He could run faster than a motorcycle.
In response to your gripe about Salvation's Terminators being easily destroyed by normal weapons, I believe you missed an important tidbit from the first Terminator: Kyle Reese mentions that the first Terminators Skynet created (T-600s) were big, clunky, and had plastic skin, making them easily identifiable by humans, thus easily disposed of. Skynet then creates the new versions, made from a stronger alloy and having real human skin, now making them harder to discern from normal humans. This makes sense, in that at the end of Salvation, the first T-800s are being made on an assembly line, and the first T-800 fights John Connor. You can see the difference in the Terminators: T-600s were destroyed fairly easily, but during the fight with the T-800, John Connor could not destroy it with his normal weapons.
shoua7 You can't expect people to pay attention. They'd rather complain about things they've heard others complain about already.
kinda tickle me how 800 ripped up that bedside killbot like his own kind were now obsolete crap- plus his portrail kind of did for him what alien 3 did for the xenomorph: re establish the threat level of a singular threat of great durability.
Further to that it is set in 2018 not 2029 the resistance have not yet gone underground.
There's one line about the 600s in Terminator: "The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy."
Nothing about them being easy to destroy, only being easy to spot.
While not mentioned in the movie, the novelization of The Terminator has Reese speculating on what series of terminator he's going to face, hoping it was a 700-series so he'll actually have a chance of destroying it with primitive 1980s firearms. Stands to reason that the previous generation, the 600-series, would be even easier to destroy.
I come from the future! You were right about the sequel. Also the future really sucks
"Here's some people dancing in the most 80s scene ever committed to tape"
Hey this isn't Jimbo dancing in The Final Chapter at all!
T1 - Amazing (B budget)
T2 - Amazing (Most expensive movie at that time)
T3 - Not exist
T4 - Not exist
T5 - Not exist
T6 - I hope amazing R rated (Average budget)
I'm afraid the next one will be an awful sjw-infested unwatchable piece of crap, worse than 3-5...
@@chiclone-tests71 Agreed. This coming from a guy that has T1 and T2 literally memorized. Just another SJW POS.
The budget is huge for T6. Let’s hope it’s good!
Dont dream T6 to be rated R
You had me at 'free from morality, fatigue and .... ''
Terminator Salvation suffered from this undying need to show off how good our CGI effects are in daylight. It therefore had to take place above ground in the daytime, entirely against the original way it was presented to us by Cameron in the first two films. It should have been set at night when they were outside and, during daylight, they stayed below ground. That was how we understood it. Salvation destroyed that idea by having so much happen in daylight, like I said, just so that they could show off the effects. That's the problem with a lot of film-making right now.
That and the fact that Hollywood people don't seem to have a clue of how a real war looks like and how harsh a post nuclear war world would be like. They clearly have the budget to get some real military guys on as advisers but why would you even think of that when you have the brain the size of a peanut.
Ever since I was a kid growing up watching the living hell out of the first two films...I always wanted to see a war film taking place in Terminator's future. Then T3 came and killed most of my love for the franchise. Then Salvation, the war movie a lot of us been waiting for...and all hope was lost. I think what kicked this movie, and a lot of issues in general with the way Hollywood is working these days, is trying to put too much into a movie hoping to further serve a larger ongoing franchise by inadequate newb directors. What also could had saved Salvation was if it had a legit director known for war flicks and it came during a time when war films were all the rage in Hollywood. As sad as it to say, just remake Saving Private Ryan and remove the nazis for robots and it would have been half way there to being the future war movie we all hoped to have.
I thought it was because the human resistance was still in pretty good shape in comparison to what was shown in Michael Biehn's flashbacks. They still had A-10s and a sub, ha. And Skynet only had big HKs and primitive terminators incapable of infiltration. Made sense to me :p
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Always thought that T2 was the best paced movie
It's probably the best paced movie I've watched I never remember it's 2 and a half hours long
@@romulusnuma116 Yes T2 is the best one from a technical standpoint imo, very well produced, top notch VFX, the lighting is amazing, but it doesn't make that much sense related to T1 regarding story. I wish T1 was made with T2 budget.
@@trinidad17 Skynet senses timeline changes, and keeps sending better terminators to ensure its survival. T-600 with rubber skin, T-700 extra strong, T-800 with flesh and standalone infiltration AI (from 2029 to 1984, followed by Kyle Reese), T-X liquid metal coated metal with DNA sampler/plasma gun/flamethrower/circular saw/hacker bots, T-1000 liquid metal (from 2029 to 1995, followed by T-800), T-3000 liquid dark metal spawn of T-5000 Skynet, and T-H augmented human.
that chilling score by Brad Fiedel from the first film... incredible work. incredible.
Genisys was definitely the worst of them all with its "fractured timeline".
It suffers from something a lot of stories that involve time travel, or should I say convoluted time travel.
Writers have great difficulty to maintain logic in a time travel story (cause and effect). Or writers use time travel as an excuse that suddenly everything becomes possible, basically ditching all logic.
In Terminator 1 history was actually preserved through time travel, check The Terminator with all the cut pieces restored.
Terminator 2 kind of threw a wrench in the works when Cyberdyne's research facility was blown up and all the remnants of the first terminator (and those of the second for that matter) were destroyed.
After that the writers went through all kinds of excuses to make Terminator movies happen.
I couldn't agree more.
We know that you can't simply change history in the way that Skynet is trying but that is because it is a machine and can only "think" in 1s and 0s.
Genisys made no sense from a time travelling perspective as you say "Cause and effect" for example you kill your grandaddy before he fathers your daddy then you will not exist and neither of course can you go back to do the deed and the deed - even the thought of the deed is cancelled out.
Well there is a theory that if one would for example cause the grandfather paradox that one would "create" a universe/timeline in which the person killing their own grandfather would not exist, but that this timeline would be inaccessible to the time traveler. (he or she can not travel to the universe/timeline in which they successfully killed their own grandparent)
But that is just a mental exercise in possibilities and I would not put too much importance in it (I think it is mostly a writer made up theory), especially not in the context of the Terminator movies which makes it clear that there is only "one" timeline.
why didn't any of these screenwriters call up a theoretical physicist for advice on how to write a time-travel paradox? If I thought of that , then these idiots could definitely have done it....
Genisys was the best, skynet figured out that since John was one step behind in time giving him an advantage, he didn't have to fight him in the past, but he only had to infiltrate the "resistance" (the bad guys) to become one with him before sending his father back in time to impregnate his mother. Connor was the villain not skynet, he sacrificed humanity for his own paradoxical existence.
Man I first watched The Terminator as a Moviedrome movie. I think those TV showings of films did more than anything else to shape my movie tastes.
What I loved about the first Terminator film is how it's more akin to a horror movie than an action flick. Most people don't recognize it, but it's quite effective at inducing terror.
The unstoppable assailant mostly attacking at night isn't that dissimilar from slasher films released during the same time period. The Terminator isn't all that different in his methods or approach compared to Jason Voorhees from the Friday the 13th franchise or Michael Myers from the Halloween franchise.
There's body horror elements (The Terminator cutting out it's biological eye and performing self surgery on it's arm, or when his flesh exterior becomes increasingly mangled while still trying to kill Sarah Connor).
The imagery of the de-fleshed terminator is like an incarnation of death itself. A grim reaper made from high-tech metal alloys.
And during the last scenes when the terminator has lost it's legs and is crawling towards Sarah Connor as she desperately tries to get away and fumble for the controls of the hydraulic press as the terminator is trying to strangle her to death. Does it really differ significantly from other scenes in horror films where the antagonist is trying to get their hands on the protagonist fighting for their lives?
Or how about the bleak sense of impending doom that the scenes of the future presents us with?
With all this in mind, The Terminator goes above and beyond in the horror genre.
Well put. Arnie was really effective as a stalker. The scene where he kills Ginger & her boyfriend was really claustrophobic and unsettling.
“most people don’t recognise it” is the sentence that makes you sound like a giant condescending prick that resulted in me not givin a shit about your essay
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16:25 wasn’t it explained that in the early years the Terminator models before T-700s were kinda trash at stealth so they were easy to notice at night
Cameron apparently did an interview with a magazine where he admitted ripping off 'Soldier' and 'Demon with a Glass Hand'.
Good thing Cameron decided not to make Skynet a cat.
If you watch the scene in question from demon with a glass hand, it's almost word for word the same speech Reece gives Sarah in the car about how the Terminator can't be reasoned with, etc.
Even if it is a ripoff, does that change the fact that The Terminator is one the best films of all time?
Not a ripped off, more like inspiration.
Damn copyright.
Taking down entire youtube channels bc they used 6 seconds of a distorted memes song....
**meanwhile**
Steals inspiration from someone elses idea for a multi million movie franchise...... Annnnnd nothing.
It"s sad to say but the Sarah Connor Chronicles is a better follow up on terminator 2 than the rest of the movies.
Underrated series. Works much better as a binge than once-a-week drip feed.
Thread Bomb really?
It was clever in side stepping T3. Too bad the writers strike pretty much killed the show if I remember correctly.
It's a great T.V. series, but they made a mistake in the time-line by claiming Sarah Connor dies of breast cancer, in the future. She didn't die between T2 and T3 (she wasn't in the coffin) and in the original T2 script, in the future Sarah Connor works sending equipment to the front line, via trains.
Absolutely...a brilliant series. It wasn't just the writers strike that killed it, but also rested heavily on the success of T4 before they decided to continue onto a third season. In most cases the series took on a more family drama feel to it, rather than just an adult only action fest. However it's weird seeing Lena Heady and that Genisys 'Sarah Connor'..whatever version together in Game of Thrones. Which the music score is conducted by the same composer of TSCC.
The problem with Terminator movies is that they keep trying to remake 2. We've already seen 2. We want a new idea.
I love Terminator 2 but the first will always be my favourite...
It's 2019, Terminator 6, and they're still doing the time travel stuff. Just show the damn war already! I actually thought Terminator 4 was on the right track, just poorly executed.
thank you! i always wanted a full movie of that bleak desloate world at war we were promised in T1 and T2 and exactly how really was John important
@Edged Line cough *Leonardo dicaprio* :(