That's really genius, had a high water table last year on a corn field and the corn roots lacks oxigen and the plant didn't perform and didn't get the nitrogen, this is a smart solution
MN Millennial Farmer, Zach Johnson, did tests on his water from his drain tiles and the water was actually just as clean, or cleaner than bottled water. He also drank the water straight from the drain tile with no Ill effects. I think it's an awesome idea/plan for farmers who want less compaction, less mud and better yields for their acres.
i'm sure when the crop is growing it uses more of the water but what about in the spring and winter. doesn't the water drain off faster causing the nearby streams to fill faster than they would have without the tile?
I like that the subject of soil aeration was mentioned and think it could be even more emphasized. The words 'root respiration' could be mentioned a bit more but maybe that's too technical and best left for a video aimed at a different audience. The word 'drainage' and the idea that water is just going to go out of the soil like around stones or ice cubes seems to be the source of a lot of fears. One can't overdrain a mineral soil, and like you mentioned, flooding downstream can be reduced because the air spaces in the soil will absorb water.There has been at least one study done on it. One could also mention for farmers that a wet soil is a cold soil and will delay planting. That's one reason farmers might plow a field and expose it to wind erosion to dry it out. I very strongly dislike the shot of the 4" outlets shown in this video. They appear to be completely contrary to accepted practice in the province of Ontario, Canada which has a good century or more of farm tile drainage use back to use of clay tile. A drainage inspector might insist on at least placement of a rodent guard on the end (it's just a heavy metal wire in a kind of 'S' shape that fits into the pipe corrugations) and maybe even a metal culvert with a collar, angled end and grate. I once helped install drainage tile very near the shores of Lake Erie in Southwestern Ontario where just a rodent guard was put on the end of the 4" tubing into a ditch. We were tiling through snow drifts so sometimes the tubing had to be trimmed at the outlet end in the open ditch because they were a bit too long. Another time, I was blinding a short pond interception run of agricultural grade polyethylene tubing with a water sock behind a Buckeye Wheel machine in Manitoba Canada and I wasn't too sure the line of tubing that had lain in the sun when we went to lunch wasn't so soft that it was being crushed by the chunks of soil I was breaking off from the trench. I checked and it wasn't but the heat did affect the pipe and I might have missed seeing the pipe get crushed. It's supposed to be able to handle a semi-trailer truck running over it. My father tried to get farm tile drainage going in Manitoba Canada in the late 1990's and the fear of flooding and thinking that holding water back on upstream land was a good idea was a major obstacle. I really didn't have much sympathy for farmers in western Manitoba that were rained out of their fields in the late 1990's after years of insisting to one and all that all of Manitoba was dryland farming. An experienced Professional Engineer and drainage contractor was astonished by the amount of water coming out of Manitoba fields he tiled as a drainage contractor. These weren't even artesian springs, just land that was only surface drained. People heard about the nitrogen contaminated drainage wells in Iowa and assumed that installing tile drains in a field would poison their drinking water well. People that had no experience of farm tile drainage would jump to the wildest conclusions before they were fully informed about it. Tile drainage has its pros and cons just like open surface drainage ditches and roadside borehole ditches with noxious weeds. An attempt to get farm drainage going in Manitoba, Canada had been made a few decades earlier but there was more focus the first time on its use in the clay on the floor of the Red River valley than on the sandy soils of the beach of glacial Lake Aggasiz along the Manitoba escarpment, which was much better suited for crops like maize and potatoes. So, I liked that you added the point about the soil soaking up the water and that the tile don't run until the soil is completely saturated (meaning the agricultural producer is either over-irrigating, wasting water and drowning the crop roots or the water table has risen to the level of the tile or higher). I wish that the point that agricultural subsurface drainage tile is very much stronger than house weeping tile was made. There have been farmers and even roadway engineers in areas where agricultural subsurface drainage was not known or not well known that have made the mistake of using weeping tile that subsequently was crushed after installation and so the tile didn't work.The weeping tile looks exactly like the agricultural grade subsurface drainage tubing. My father investigated a 'bathtub' drain that a Manitoba farmer had installed in the 1970's but the farmer wondered why it didn't work and my father, who had many decades of experience with tile drains in Ontario, Canada, found out that the reason the drain didn't work was because the pipe went off grade when the operator of a D8 made a turn and the shoe, which was not well controlled by the type of equipment used, went up and the pipe went up with it and off grade so water didn't flow to the outlet.
Do you know if there is a requirement for field drainage pipes to be mapped with the county? Purchased a 25 acre property and found two sink holes. Haven't dug around these holes yet to find out if there is a pipe in that area. Both holes were found in a natural drainage flow area.
I don't have an issue with farmers installing tiles onto my property. However I do have an issues with them damaging my yard and not leaving it as it was prior to digging. I now have to look at a huge round tile sticking out my front yard everyday!! It's terrible!!
What about for smaller acreages? I live on a 4.5 acres in a swampy area. In the spring, there is a standing water after all the snow melts. (I live in northern Alberta.) I have tried having a garden, but it is such heavy clay soil. I planted fruit trees and they all died. I have planted lilacs. They have not died but the plants are still very small after 4 years. I also have a miniature jersey cow and would eventually like to have 4 of them as I breed her for milk. Behind my acreage, on crown land, there is a huge swamp where many ducks and other water fowl land. I like hearing them all summer long. I am thinking of have a drainage line from my land to the swamp. Because the swamp is so big and I have only 4.5 acres. I think that if water from my land went into the swamp, it would make very little difference in terms of the depth of the water in the swamp. Alternatively, since my acreage is right on the main highway, I'm wondering if I can put a drainage line that goes into the ditch along the highway. Thoughts on this ?
I see farmers install drainage tile without wrapping the tile in a clothe barrier to keep dirt and rock from clogging it. I know tile used around a lower level basement has cloth, or gravel surrounding the tile for this purpose. Why is it farmers don't use the same procedure given that dirt can eventually clog the openings in the tile?
@@AgPhD Thanks.And amazing,i couldn't believe those pipes could last so much without ''socks'' /geo textile arround them,or even some small rocks as filter.I plan to install some drainage pipes on 2 of my fields,right now while i am writing this there is water on those fields,draining is slow.I was on internet searchin allot as i couldn't decide should i just buy these corugated pipes 100-160mm diameter (4-6 inches) and place them in trenches like that with nothing extra,or should i waste more money on at least geo textile or even some agregates ....20 years lifetime i would be very happy with those pipes if they can pull that much.
This is Amazing, but I dont understand how those dont get clogged. Im in construction and 90% of the time we are pulling those out from around foundations they are clogged because they were not placed in a sleeve or a sock. Seems counterintuitive. Also I love using PEX because its flexible, but the flexibility on that line seems wayyyy off. Also the Corrugation, Corrugations are not allowed in any drains in Los Angeles because stuff gets clogged in the Corrugation. Seems like that would fail inspection because of the corrugation. The pipes we put around houses are so rigid hard, so that they arent crushed. Regardless this is so interesting, I never knew this.
Same, but northern cali gets enough water. It's mostly a sign of a farming and rotation crop issues. That they are brute force solving instead of working with the land to solve the problem. Which in turn hurts everyone down stream because it means the water holding capcaity of the farm gonna suck long term. But as they were probably till/not building organic matter in 3 or 5 years from a solid no till program they were probably pushing all that rainwater out anyways. Overall this is an ecological nightmare but probably less of a nightmare than what they were already doing.
What an ecological nightmare for so little gain. No Till, terrace, sheep *undrenched* Cattle *undrenched* under 900 pounds, covercropping. 3 years later problem solved and you make money on cattle and sheep solving the problem. At the same time since the farmer seems to be tilling in general they were already probably hardpanning creating flooding anyway and this is probably less of a problem then the problem of poor management to begin with. Still in the eco nightmare zone though. And the fact this keeps spreading is so worrisome.
Outdated information. Doesn't address the orgins of the problem which is common after you clear a natural area and apply poor agricultural practices. Salt can build up in the soil due to irrigation water, agrochemicals CAN be relocated by tile drainage systems, and high nutrient build up causes algae blooms that are harmful to the ecosystem. How many lies and illogical fallacies can you point out in their presentation? Do. Your. Own. Research. Tile drainage isn't sustainable. Contact your locals extension service for ideas on how you can manage your farmland sustainably for the future of our society.
The way he says, "Ridiculous" makes me feel a little demeaned lol.
That's really genius, had a high water table last year on a corn field and the corn roots lacks oxigen and the plant didn't perform and didn't get the nitrogen, this is a smart solution
MN Millennial Farmer, Zach Johnson, did tests on his water from his drain tiles and the water was actually just as clean, or cleaner than bottled water. He also drank the water straight from the drain tile with no Ill effects. I think it's an awesome idea/plan for farmers who want less compaction, less mud and better yields for their acres.
Brian and Darren addressed your comments on Ag PhD Radio: soundcloud.com/agphd/11-05-19-insects-in-wheat#t=42:38
i'm sure when the crop is growing it uses more of the water but what about in the spring and winter. doesn't the water drain off faster causing the nearby streams to fill faster than they would have without the tile?
Brian and Darren addressed your comments on Ag PhD Radio: soundcloud.com/agphd/12-29-21-2021-in-review?si=62f42e6455c246f4b6773e6676d32d84&#t=51:28
Very nice explained thank you.
Thank you for the video
Great video
Good Video well said !
Very good video
Answering my questions on this topic
I like that the subject of soil aeration was mentioned and think it could be even more emphasized. The words 'root respiration' could be mentioned a bit more but maybe that's too technical and best left for a video aimed at a different audience.
The word 'drainage' and the idea that water is just going to go out of the soil like around stones or ice cubes seems to be the source of a lot of fears. One can't overdrain a mineral soil, and like you mentioned, flooding downstream can be reduced because the air spaces in the soil will absorb water.There has been at least one study done on it. One could also mention for farmers that a wet soil is a cold soil and will delay planting. That's one reason farmers might plow a field and expose it to wind erosion to dry it out.
I very strongly dislike the shot of the 4" outlets shown in this video. They appear to be completely contrary to accepted practice in the province of Ontario, Canada which has a good century or more of farm tile drainage use back to use of clay tile. A drainage inspector might insist on at least placement of a rodent guard on the end (it's just a heavy metal wire in a kind of 'S' shape that fits into the pipe corrugations) and maybe even a metal culvert with a collar, angled end and grate. I once helped install drainage tile very near the shores of Lake Erie in Southwestern Ontario where just a rodent guard was put on the end of the 4" tubing into a ditch. We were tiling through snow drifts so sometimes the tubing had to be trimmed at the outlet end in the open ditch because they were a bit too long. Another time, I was blinding a short pond interception run of agricultural grade polyethylene tubing with a water sock behind a Buckeye Wheel machine in Manitoba Canada and I wasn't too sure the line of tubing that had lain in the sun when we went to lunch wasn't so soft that it was being crushed by the chunks of soil I was breaking off from the trench. I checked and it wasn't but the heat did affect the pipe and I might have missed seeing the pipe get crushed. It's supposed to be able to handle a semi-trailer truck running over it.
My father tried to get farm tile drainage going in Manitoba Canada in the late 1990's and the fear of flooding and thinking that holding water back on upstream land was a good idea was a major obstacle. I really didn't have much sympathy for farmers in western Manitoba that were rained out of their fields in the late 1990's after years of insisting to one and all that all of Manitoba was dryland farming. An experienced Professional Engineer and drainage contractor was astonished by the amount of water coming out of Manitoba fields he tiled as a drainage contractor. These weren't even artesian springs, just land that was only surface drained. People heard about the nitrogen contaminated drainage wells in Iowa and assumed that installing tile drains in a field would poison their drinking water well. People that had no experience of farm tile drainage would jump to the wildest conclusions before they were fully informed about it. Tile drainage has its pros and cons just like open surface drainage ditches and roadside borehole ditches with noxious weeds. An attempt to get farm drainage going in Manitoba, Canada had been made a few decades earlier but there was more focus the first time on its use in the clay on the floor of the Red River valley than on the sandy soils of the beach of glacial Lake Aggasiz along the Manitoba escarpment, which was much better suited for crops like maize and potatoes. So, I liked that you added the point about the soil soaking up the water and that the tile don't run until the soil is completely saturated (meaning the agricultural producer is either over-irrigating, wasting water and drowning the crop roots or the water table has risen to the level of the tile or higher).
I wish that the point that agricultural subsurface drainage tile is very much stronger than house weeping tile was made. There have been farmers and even roadway engineers in areas where agricultural subsurface drainage was not known or not well known that have made the mistake of using weeping tile that subsequently was crushed after installation and so the tile didn't work.The weeping tile looks exactly like the agricultural grade subsurface drainage tubing.
My father investigated a 'bathtub' drain that a Manitoba farmer had installed in the 1970's but the farmer wondered why it didn't work and my father, who had many decades of experience with tile drains in Ontario, Canada, found out that the reason the drain didn't work was because the pipe went off grade when the operator of a D8 made a turn and the shoe, which was not well controlled by the type of equipment used, went up and the pipe went up with it and off grade so water didn't flow to the outlet.
Brian and Darren addressed your comments on Ag PhD Radio: soundcloud.com/agphd/06-24-22-farmer-friday?#t=48:55
Can drain tile leach soil nutrient ?
Do you know if there is a requirement for field drainage pipes to be mapped with the county? Purchased a 25 acre property and found two sink holes. Haven't dug around these holes yet to find out if there is a pipe in that area. Both holes were found in a natural drainage flow area.
Drainage
Usually not a requirement.
Map it. Make a asbuilt. That way you know. The ducks and creatures have to some where else. Sucks no duck hunting.
With tile going 3 feet beneath the surface wouldnt that require your farm to be 3 feet above the surrounding ground level to drain ?
Brian and Darren addressed your question on Ag PhD Radio today: soundcloud.com/agphd/07-20-20-crop-progress-updates#t=50:22
I don't have an issue with farmers installing tiles onto my property. However I do have an issues with them damaging my yard and not leaving it as it was prior to digging. I now have to look at a huge round tile sticking out my front yard everyday!! It's terrible!!
Brian and Darren addressed your comments on Ag PhD Radio: soundcloud.com/agphd/06-17-21-micronutrients#t=44:03
It’s ok to just put the tilt in the ground and no filter around it?
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Cool
What about for smaller acreages? I live on a 4.5 acres in a swampy area. In the spring, there is a standing water after all the snow melts. (I live in northern Alberta.) I have tried having a garden, but it is such heavy clay soil. I planted fruit trees and they all died. I have planted lilacs. They have not died but the plants are still very small after 4 years. I also have a miniature jersey cow and would eventually like to have 4 of them as I breed her for milk.
Behind my acreage, on crown land, there is a huge swamp where many ducks and other water fowl land. I like hearing them all summer long. I am thinking of have a drainage line from my land to the swamp. Because the swamp is so big and I have only 4.5 acres. I think that if water from my land went into the swamp, it would make very little difference in terms of the depth of the water in the swamp.
Alternatively, since my acreage is right on the main highway, I'm wondering if I can put a drainage line that goes into the ditch along the highway. Thoughts on this ?
Darren addressed your comments on Ag PhD Radio: soundcloud.com/agphd/03-21-22-calcium?#t=52:08
What is the machine or implement called that rips the ground and lays the new lines?
Brian and Darren addressed your question on Ag PhD Radio: soundcloud.com/agphd/06-28-22-calcium?#t=42:20
Tile plow or trencher
How do i find somone to design and install on a small farm
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I still want to know why it’s called tile and not pipe?
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Rut's what is this Rut's you talk of.....oh you mean 'Root's' :P
Someone please explain the cost of this. And how much people who work doing this make.
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I see farmers install drainage tile without wrapping the tile in a clothe barrier to keep dirt and rock from clogging it. I know tile used around a lower level basement has cloth, or gravel surrounding the tile for this purpose. Why is it farmers don't use the same procedure given that dirt can eventually clog the openings in the tile?
Brian and Darren addressed your question on Ag PhD Radio: soundcloud.com/agphd/06-10-20-why-herbicides-fail#t=51:18
@@AgPhD Thanks.And amazing,i couldn't believe those pipes could last so much without ''socks'' /geo textile arround them,or even some small rocks as filter.I plan to install some drainage pipes on 2 of my fields,right now while i am writing this there is water on those fields,draining is slow.I was on internet searchin allot as i couldn't decide should i just buy these corugated pipes 100-160mm diameter (4-6 inches) and place them in trenches like that with nothing extra,or should i waste more money on at least geo textile or even some agregates ....20 years lifetime i would be very happy with those pipes if they can pull that much.
@@TheSRBgamer63 Brian and Darren addressed your comments on Ag PhD Radio: on.soundcloud.com/Wa1Yp
If your fields flood you need draining. No need to pull out the calculator in this case.
This is Amazing, but I dont understand how those dont get clogged. Im in construction and 90% of the time we are pulling those out from around foundations they are clogged because they were not placed in a sleeve or a sock. Seems counterintuitive. Also I love using PEX because its flexible, but the flexibility on that line seems wayyyy off. Also the Corrugation, Corrugations are not allowed in any drains in Los Angeles because stuff gets clogged in the Corrugation. Seems like that would fail inspection because of the corrugation. The pipes we put around houses are so rigid hard, so that they arent crushed. Regardless this is so interesting, I never knew this.
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Come look at my yard
Wow. This stuff is far out. I live in California and we would never pass on the water
Same, but northern cali gets enough water. It's mostly a sign of a farming and rotation crop issues. That they are brute force solving instead of working with the land to solve the problem. Which in turn hurts everyone down stream because it means the water holding capcaity of the farm gonna suck long term. But as they were probably till/not building organic matter in 3 or 5 years from a solid no till program they were probably pushing all that rainwater out anyways. Overall this is an ecological nightmare but probably less of a nightmare than what they were already doing.
Why is it called Tile though? It's nothing like a tile.
Brian and Darren addressed your question on Ag PhD Radio: on.soundcloud.com/XMYtUM7RP66eWbB18
'"Ruuts"
What an ecological nightmare for so little gain. No Till, terrace, sheep *undrenched* Cattle *undrenched* under 900 pounds, covercropping. 3 years later problem solved and you make money on cattle and sheep solving the problem. At the same time since the farmer seems to be tilling in general they were already probably hardpanning creating flooding anyway and this is probably less of a problem then the problem of poor management to begin with. Still in the eco nightmare zone though. And the fact this keeps spreading is so worrisome.
Outdated information. Doesn't address the orgins of the problem which is common after you clear a natural area and apply poor agricultural practices. Salt can build up in the soil due to irrigation water, agrochemicals CAN be relocated by tile drainage systems, and high nutrient build up causes algae blooms that are harmful to the ecosystem. How many lies and illogical fallacies can you point out in their presentation? Do. Your. Own. Research. Tile drainage isn't sustainable. Contact your locals extension service for ideas on how you can manage your farmland sustainably for the future of our society.
Why do they call it drainage "tile" instead of drainage pipes?