@@IIHydraII honestly you're not missing out on much, the new BIOS has been very hit or miss for stability and didn't even add any form of latency fix from 1.2.0.2b
Hi BZ. I bought this kit for my girlfriend's build. It does 6400 30-37-34-30 at VDD 1.43v without active cooling, but I set it to 1.45v and added a fan for safety measure. I'm almost certain your kit should do tRCD 37 ad well. GDM had to be enabled as well for 6400. tPHYRDL are matching but only when I set VDDIO / VDDQ / VPP high enough, if the balance of these goes too low the tPHYRDL mismatch. I'm using 1.4v / 1.4v / 1.05v. The only subtimings I had to bump up was tRRD from 8/4 to 10/4. I did find your video very helpful! On a side would it better to run 6200 30-37-32-30 with GDM disabled or the former mentioned with GDM enabled? Thanks a million :) Edit: To whom may be interested. - Absolutely lowest tRFC that barely managed to boot to Windows was 515 - tWTR_L/_S are at 14/4 - tRDWR 2 - tWRRD 14 - SCLs at 4 / 2 - tRTP 12 - tWR 48 That's about it. Didn't bother to push them lower. Only bummer about this kit is that I wasn't used for stress testing taking quite long compared to 32GB.
Mine does 32-38-32-30 at 1.35V. This is better than my G.Skill 2x24 6400 kit. It's amazing considering the XMP is such a non-bin and the kit was less than $100
@@shrekoc5570 You know, come to think of it, perhaps I shall set her primary to tCL32. I have this tendency of trying to push a bit more than needed even when setting up for others when all they need is for it just work. After all I don't want to hear from her any complaints lol, I just want her PC to run smoothly. On this kit tRP 32 wasn't an option, it would always error in under 10 minutes. The pricing have been amazing! To be honest the kit I'm talking about here is the white striped heatsinks with RGB. I actually even snagged myself another kit with the Black metallic heatsinks (like in this vid), still have them unopened. Cost me under $100 for each kit with discounts. I still got a few of the KingBank 6800 2X16 that I bought each for $65 before prices went up.
Have you tried the new feature "Core Tuning Config For Gaming" that came with the newest Asus bios version? My RAM latency decreased 5ns just by setting it to Legacy
I'm running the 9800X3D with 8000 MT/s RAM at 38-48-48-84 timings, 1.45v. I also used the AI RAM tweaker, which reduced my RAM latency from 78ns to 61ns. The CPU is slightly overclocked by just 100 MHz's I'm using the X870E Crosshair Hero motherboard, and this setup runs flawlessly in games that used to crash with 7200 MT/s RAM on an Intel 13900K. Goodbye, Intel - AMD is the best! Everything runs so cool. The RAM stays under 39°C with active cooling, the CPU is in the high 60s to low 70s under load, and everything else stays under 50°C. The CPU is undervolted by 20 and is using Curve Shaper.
Have you tried the new feature "Core Tuning Config For Gaming" that came with the newest Asus bios version? My RAM latency decreased 5ns just by setting it to Legacy
@@Munshin 6000MT/s and 6400MT/s are recommended running at 1:1 mode because that's what most people can achieve without any issues. 8000MT/s has a slight edge over those two modes due to the higher frequency. While 8000MT/s runs in 2:1 mode, the increased frequencies compensate for it. I wouldn’t recommend going for 7200MT/s, 7600MT/s, or even 7800MT/s, as the benefits aren't there, you may as well stay with 6000 or 6400. The advantage of 8000MT/s is that FCLK and UCLK are both synchronized at 2000 MHz, which can improve performance. Additionally, you can run a lower SoC voltage (1.2V instead of 1.3V), because your running the UCLK at a lower frequency compared to 6400 or 6000. I tested 6000MT/s with 28-36-36-96 timings and found it had higher latency compared to 8000MT/s. The 6000MT/s setup had around 74ns latency, while 8000MT/s had 61ns latency. Surprisingly, the 6000MT/s showed slightly higher read, write, and copy scores. However, since I’m focused on gaming, I prefer the lower latency of 8000MT/s.
When considering a VDD voltage of 1.63V, it’s understandable to feel apprehensive. My experience with a 1:1 vs 1:2 ratio at 6400MHz resulted in only a marginal improvement of 5 nanoseconds and virtually no increase in frames per second (FPS). This leads to the question: is it worth pushing my RAM sticks to such high temperatures for negligible gains? Overclocking can be an exciting venture, but it’s crucial to balance performance with stability and longevity. While I appreciate the thrill of overclocking, some configurations may indeed push the limits too far without delivering significant benefits. Now, let’s explore whether a configuration of 6.0GHz at a 1:1 ratio with improved timings and lower voltage might yield better results. Lower voltage typically translates to reduced heat output, which can enhance the overall lifespan of the RAM modules. Additionally, better timings can improve responsiveness and efficiency in data processing tasks. To summarize, opting for a 6.0GHz setting with optimized timings and lower voltage could potentially provide a more favorable balance between performance and thermal management compared to running at higher voltages like 1.63V. Thank you for videos they are highly appreciated. Stay strong.
I suffer from extremely long boot times on X870E Taichi (bios 3.10) + 9800X3D + 2x24GB Corsair Dominator 6000C30 with easy timings (CMP48GX5M2B6000C30). Since pressing the power button it takes 44 seconds just to see the ASRock logo and 58 seconds to Windows welcome screen. Power down and MCR are off, fast boot enabled. Still, running just default XMP with power down + MCR enabled didn't really change much, so I don't know what could be wrong. I have 4x M2.NVMe drives with the OS drive being Samsung 990 Pro 4TB, not sure if that makes any difference. Another issue is memory speed - if I try even 6200C30 with 2066 FCLK the board absolutely refuses to use it and always boots into the OS with 4800 and JEDEC timings, no idea why. I tried pumping VSOC all the way up to 1.26V and nothing changed, though it can run 6000C30 with just 1.2V VSOC and BZ's easy timings without any issue (Karhu passed 8 hours over night). Any ideas how to try to get 6200 + 2066 FCLK working?
@@rabbi-77 I see, I haven't really tried 6200 with just XMP timings. I'm guessing maybe TRFC at 480 might be too much at 6200. What about dual rank A-die - can it still be tighter than single rank M-die? That way you would get 64GB of memory and potentially still better timings than 48GB M-die.
@@ondrejsobek6565 I have 48x2 M die DUAL RANK and can't go lower than 488 TRFC. But DR is hotter than SR and may impact tRefi stability. I think A-die DR should reach a higher frequency than SR.
So are 48gig kits prefered over 64gig kits currently? Is this due to the same reasoning on my AM4 platform where dual rank sticks perform worse than singlr ranks?
Not sure. But something strange is happening with 9800x3d or x870 mobos. One in three people have RAM instability.😢 This is subjective, not a statistic, but still have to be investigated.
I was having issues until I started using BZ patreon guide and slowly dialled in from there. Even base DOCP was having none of it. There’s something satisfying about getting a whole set of timings dialled in.
This was also happening with most X670E motherboards when they were new. For those boards, this was primarily due to a combination of the motherboard manufacturers not supporting many memory kits on their QVL list, paired with consumers not checking their motherboard's QVL lists lol. With DDR5 still being new near the release of X670E, users should have always been checking the list of memory sticks that were guaranteed to work with their boards....but they often weren't. The issues now with X870E boards are presumably because of my latter statement. However, most X870E motherboards should support *a* *ton* of different DDR5 memory sticks.... But if they don't, I guess people may have to start learning how to slightly mess with their memory timings.
maybe the 9800X3D is harder due to the memory comms (sorry i'm a noob at computer hardware other than just bog standard PC system assembly, so idk a better term) having to travel thru whatever layer the X3D is on (now that it's above the cache)
oh boy. just followed your video about overclock to 6200 cl 30 every ryzen 7-9 ram on my kingbank 6800 cl 34 and it's working like a charm. is it possible to run it on 6400 cl 32 or something? this video is with ryzen 9xxx and it not work with 7xxx. can you make some tutorial for 7xxx and 6400 with any cl and a-die?
my 9800x3d has horrible ram overclocking capability too i can only run 6200 c26 36 36 30 on that, if i dare to put in 6400 it freezes in windows after 5 seconds 8000 in 2to1 boots but when i run karhu for 3 minutes it just blackscreens and boots again i'm on the taichi lite too btw
I'm running the 9800X3D with 8000 MT/s RAM at 38-48-48-84 timings. I also used the AI RAM tweaker, which reduced my RAM latency from 78ns to 61ns. The CPU is slightly overclocked by just 100 MHz's I'm using the X870E Crosshair Hero motherboard, and this setup runs flawlessly in games that used to crash with 7200 MT/s RAM on an Intel 13900K. Goodbye, Intel - AMD is the best! Everything runs so cool. The RAM stays under 39°C with active cooling, the CPU is in the high 60s to low 70s under load, and everything else stays under 50°C. The CPU is undervolted by 20 and is using Curve Shaper.
tRCDWR unlocking is under BIOS\Advanced\AMD Overclocking\DDR and Infinity Fabric Frequency/Timings\DDR Options\DDR Timing Configuration\Active memory timings settings enabled\Ddr spd timings\Trcd ctrl Manual…….. :) I have enabled it in my x870e hero using these settings.
As usual, the gains are not significan't if there are any. You can always manually tune your kit to tighten the timings, even though 2x48 will have a bit lower performance it won't make any noticable difference, especially for a 3d cpu. There's a lexar kit that came out 3 days ago, and it's 6000c26, which is super tight, and you can also tune it further, but it's 32gb, which is not enough for me at this point. So just get the kit that will satisfy your needs in terms of memory capacity and don't think about min-maxing, it's pointless. If anything, focus on getting a better gpu, and if you already have a 4090, you'd better think about getting an oled monitor or smth else.
Not sure on his issue but I have a 7800x3d paired with 2x48GB M-Die myself, it will run fine, just lower your expectations on how far it'll overclock (since 2x48GB is DR and dual sided (RUNS HOT)) I have mine at 6200CL30 (I know it can do 6400CL28 but I don't have time to spend stabilizing it, most likely a heat issue as I have no fan for it).
just get a 2x16 8000 c38 gskill kit those have pretty much the best binned chips you can get, i have a 2x24 8200 c38 kit too and it ran horrible with my 9800x3d, it worked on 8200 on my 9950x tho. the 9800x3d's are just horrible at ram overclocking, best i could get the 32gb kit tuned to was 6200 c26 36 36 30
@@S4SK__1 Stop stop stop. Read the fact that they want 2x48GB which means capacity. The most you could advise them to consider is 2x32GB. Which is still a loss of 32GB. Their worry was buildzoid saying that his 9800x3d had issues posting with a similar kit.
@@xynthexiamy 9800x3d boots and is stable with these timings in the video with 2x24GB m die 6400 kit + b650m tweaked. Might just be silicon lottery with the 9800x3d
Hey guys...sorry to ask this here but could anyone recomend a 32gig kit of ddr4. Down to spend about 120 for budget. Thanks...dont do research just off the top of your head or from experience. msi mpg b550 gaming edge wifi 5800x3d
finally, a gear 1 video… thanks for this.
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latest BIOS (3.15) fixed the VDDQ bug and exposed the tRCDWR setting, you might want to test that if you end up doing other vids on the Taichi
Historically my Livemixer gets updates 2-3 weeks after every mainstream AsRock board :( gotta wait for that
@@IIHydraII honestly you're not missing out on much, the new BIOS has been very hit or miss for stability and didn't even add any form of latency fix from 1.2.0.2b
@@luckysuicidal 3.16 is out allready with further bug fixes.
Hi BZ. I bought this kit for my girlfriend's build. It does 6400 30-37-34-30 at VDD 1.43v without active cooling, but I set it to 1.45v and added a fan for safety measure.
I'm almost certain your kit should do tRCD 37 ad well. GDM had to be enabled as well for 6400. tPHYRDL are matching but only when I set VDDIO / VDDQ / VPP high enough, if the balance of these goes too low the tPHYRDL mismatch. I'm using 1.4v / 1.4v / 1.05v.
The only subtimings I had to bump up was tRRD from 8/4 to 10/4.
I did find your video very helpful!
On a side would it better to run 6200 30-37-32-30 with GDM disabled or the former mentioned with GDM enabled?
Thanks a million :)
Edit: To whom may be interested.
- Absolutely lowest tRFC that barely managed to boot to Windows was 515
- tWTR_L/_S are at 14/4
- tRDWR 2
- tWRRD 14
- SCLs at 4 / 2
- tRTP 12
- tWR 48
That's about it. Didn't bother to push them lower. Only bummer about this kit is that I wasn't used for stress testing taking quite long compared to 32GB.
Mine does 32-38-32-30 at 1.35V. This is better than my G.Skill 2x24 6400 kit. It's amazing considering the XMP is such a non-bin and the kit was less than $100
@@shrekoc5570 You know, come to think of it, perhaps I shall set her primary to tCL32. I have this tendency of trying to push a bit more than needed even when setting up for others when all they need is for it just work. After all I don't want to hear from her any complaints lol, I just want her PC to run smoothly.
On this kit tRP 32 wasn't an option, it would always error in under 10 minutes.
The pricing have been amazing! To be honest the kit I'm talking about here is the white striped heatsinks with RGB. I actually even snagged myself another kit with the Black metallic heatsinks (like in this vid), still have them unopened. Cost me under $100 for each kit with discounts.
I still got a few of the KingBank 6800 2X16 that I bought each for $65 before prices went up.
Have you tried the new feature "Core Tuning Config For Gaming" that came with the newest Asus bios version? My RAM latency decreased 5ns just by setting it to Legacy
LEXAR have just interduced at 6000, 26-36-36-68 @ 1.45v kit.
Nuts
Would you even see much benefit running 6000 at cl 26 vs cl30?
X3d chips aren't really that memory dependent
That’s nuts
Pretty decent clock tbh.
@@hankwest5662 its for the 0.01% lows when the workload exceed the 96MB L3 cache then it falls back on memory and causes stutter
Any chance you can do a vid outlining timings and how to tighten them and what to aim for?
21:03 tRDRDScl at 4 was probably why GDM off didn’t work. You might need to increase it to 6 or 7.
Huh interesting, i had similar kit as in this video and going from scl 7 -> 6 causes errros. Might try it later
@@Lordbenzzyou might have to increase your VSOC as well
I want to ask you.. is there any benefit of syncing tREFI with tRFC?
@@just_OsaMa23most likely not? They're more or less consecutive timings, not parallel
@yarost12 I have read it somewhere but no evidence was provided.. so I'm just confused
I'm running the 9800X3D with 8000 MT/s RAM at 38-48-48-84 timings, 1.45v. I also used the AI RAM tweaker, which reduced my RAM latency from 78ns to 61ns. The CPU is slightly overclocked by just 100 MHz's I'm using the X870E Crosshair Hero motherboard, and this setup runs flawlessly in games that used to crash with 7200 MT/s RAM on an Intel 13900K. Goodbye, Intel - AMD is the best! Everything runs so cool. The RAM stays under 39°C with active cooling, the CPU is in the high 60s to low 70s under load, and everything else stays under 50°C. The CPU is undervolted by 20 and is using Curve Shaper.
No point running 8000 MT/s with those timings
@@MunshinI mean, if he's hitting a latency that low, I think that's good enough for government work.
Have you tried the new feature "Core Tuning Config For Gaming" that came with the newest Asus bios version? My RAM latency decreased 5ns just by setting it to Legacy
@@Munshin 6000MT/s and 6400MT/s are recommended running at 1:1 mode because that's what most people can achieve without any issues. 8000MT/s has a slight edge over those two modes due to the higher frequency. While 8000MT/s runs in 2:1 mode, the increased frequencies compensate for it. I wouldn’t recommend going for 7200MT/s, 7600MT/s, or even 7800MT/s, as the benefits aren't there, you may as well stay with 6000 or 6400.
The advantage of 8000MT/s is that FCLK and UCLK are both synchronized at 2000 MHz, which can improve performance. Additionally, you can run a lower SoC voltage (1.2V instead of 1.3V), because your running the UCLK at a lower frequency compared to 6400 or 6000.
I tested 6000MT/s with 28-36-36-96 timings and found it had higher latency compared to 8000MT/s. The 6000MT/s setup had around 74ns latency, while 8000MT/s had 61ns latency. Surprisingly, the 6000MT/s showed slightly higher read, write, and copy scores. However, since I’m focused on gaming, I prefer the lower latency of 8000MT/s.
@@burninglcd your a funny man! Always a joker somewhere.
New drinking game. Take a shot if he says: um, so, or anyway. Lol good info sir.
new to OC, is 1.63 VDD safe for daily usage?
When considering a VDD voltage of 1.63V, it’s understandable to feel apprehensive. My experience with a 1:1 vs 1:2 ratio at 6400MHz resulted in only a marginal improvement of 5 nanoseconds and virtually no increase in frames per second (FPS). This leads to the question: is it worth pushing my RAM sticks to such high temperatures for negligible gains?
Overclocking can be an exciting venture, but it’s crucial to balance performance with stability and longevity. While I appreciate the thrill of overclocking, some configurations may indeed push the limits too far without delivering significant benefits.
Now, let’s explore whether a configuration of 6.0GHz at a 1:1 ratio with improved timings and lower voltage might yield better results. Lower voltage typically translates to reduced heat output, which can enhance the overall lifespan of the RAM modules. Additionally, better timings can improve responsiveness and efficiency in data processing tasks.
To summarize, opting for a 6.0GHz setting with optimized timings and lower voltage could potentially provide a more favorable balance between performance and thermal management compared to running at higher voltages like 1.63V. Thank you for videos they are highly appreciated. Stay strong.
I suffer from extremely long boot times on X870E Taichi (bios 3.10) + 9800X3D + 2x24GB Corsair Dominator 6000C30 with easy timings (CMP48GX5M2B6000C30). Since pressing the power button it takes 44 seconds just to see the ASRock logo and 58 seconds to Windows welcome screen. Power down and MCR are off, fast boot enabled. Still, running just default XMP with power down + MCR enabled didn't really change much, so I don't know what could be wrong. I have 4x M2.NVMe drives with the OS drive being Samsung 990 Pro 4TB, not sure if that makes any difference.
Another issue is memory speed - if I try even 6200C30 with 2066 FCLK the board absolutely refuses to use it and always boots into the OS with 4800 and JEDEC timings, no idea why. I tried pumping VSOC all the way up to 1.26V and nothing changed, though it can run 6000C30 with just 1.2V VSOC and BZ's easy timings without any issue (Karhu passed 8 hours over night). Any ideas how to try to get 6200 + 2066 FCLK working?
In my experience very few M-die chips can reach 6200 with tight timings. I could 6200 with XMP/expo timings but there is no reason.
@@rabbi-77 I see, I haven't really tried 6200 with just XMP timings. I'm guessing maybe TRFC at 480 might be too much at 6200. What about dual rank A-die - can it still be tighter than single rank M-die? That way you would get 64GB of memory and potentially still better timings than 48GB M-die.
@@ondrejsobek6565 I have 48x2 M die DUAL RANK and can't go lower than 488 TRFC. But DR is hotter than SR and may impact tRefi stability. I think A-die DR should reach a higher frequency than SR.
never used asrock boards before. are they any good?
the long boot times are because you turned off MCR
does this board have an external clock?
Dank
So are 48gig kits prefered over 64gig kits currently? Is this due to the same reasoning on my AM4 platform where dual rank sticks perform worse than singlr ranks?
for 1:1 mode 2x32 is better
Would you consider doing a 96Gb (2x48GB) kit? Or would these timing apply to dual rank M die also? Happy Xmas to you @@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
Not sure. But something strange is happening with 9800x3d or x870 mobos. One in three people have RAM instability.😢
This is subjective, not a statistic, but still have to be investigated.
+1
I was having issues until I started using BZ patreon guide and slowly dialled in from there. Even base DOCP was having none of it. There’s something satisfying about getting a whole set of timings dialled in.
This was also happening with most X670E motherboards when they were new. For those boards, this was primarily due to a combination of the motherboard manufacturers not supporting many memory kits on their QVL list, paired with consumers not checking their motherboard's QVL lists lol.
With DDR5 still being new near the release of X670E, users should have always been checking the list of memory sticks that were guaranteed to work with their boards....but they often weren't.
The issues now with X870E boards are presumably because of my latter statement. However, most X870E motherboards should support *a* *ton* of different DDR5 memory sticks.... But if they don't, I guess people may have to start learning how to slightly mess with their memory timings.
maybe the 9800X3D is harder due to the memory comms (sorry i'm a noob at computer hardware other than just bog standard PC system assembly, so idk a better term) having to travel thru whatever layer the X3D is on (now that it's above the cache)
oh boy. just followed your video about overclock to 6200 cl 30 every ryzen 7-9 ram on my kingbank 6800 cl 34 and it's working like a charm. is it possible to run it on 6400 cl 32 or something? this video is with ryzen 9xxx and it not work with 7xxx. can you make some tutorial for 7xxx and 6400 with any cl and a-die?
Is 2x24 m-die > 2x16 a-die for 1:1 && tight timings?
If 32GB is too small then yes
Hope for 9950x3d @6400
I see unused RGB headers on the motherboard, if you cared about performance, you'd have all the RGB for 150% speed boost. 😉
just got my 48gig kit yesterday viper xtream the 8200mhz kit. i can tune it if i dont get 8000mhz out of it. 1.45v kit
my 9800x3d has horrible ram overclocking capability too i can only run 6200 c26 36 36 30 on that, if i dare to put in 6400 it freezes in windows after 5 seconds 8000 in 2to1 boots but when i run karhu for 3 minutes it just blackscreens and boots again
i'm on the taichi lite too btw
I'm running the 9800X3D with 8000 MT/s RAM at 38-48-48-84 timings. I also used the AI RAM tweaker, which reduced my RAM latency from 78ns to 61ns. The CPU is slightly overclocked by just 100 MHz's I'm using the X870E Crosshair Hero motherboard, and this setup runs flawlessly in games that used to crash with 7200 MT/s RAM on an Intel 13900K. Goodbye, Intel - AMD is the best! Everything runs so cool. The RAM stays under 39°C with active cooling, the CPU is in the high 60s to low 70s under load, and everything else stays under 50°C. The CPU is undervolted by 20 and is using Curve Shaper.
I got a 6050xt 16gb gpu
It is super nice Merc 319 black edition.
Plus, my 9700x cpu
and 64gb 6400hz at 2133 flck
That 2133 did help!flk clock
tRCDWR unlocking is under BIOS\Advanced\AMD Overclocking\DDR and Infinity Fabric Frequency/Timings\DDR Options\DDR Timing Configuration\Active memory timings settings enabled\Ddr spd timings\Trcd ctrl Manual…….. :)
I have enabled it in my x870e hero using these settings.
1:20 This is surprising to me.
I was thinking to buy 9800x3d + 2×48GB M die.
Now I am worried.
As usual, the gains are not significan't if there are any.
You can always manually tune your kit to tighten the timings, even though 2x48 will have a bit lower performance it won't make any noticable difference, especially for a 3d cpu.
There's a lexar kit that came out 3 days ago, and it's 6000c26, which is super tight, and you can also tune it further, but it's 32gb, which is not enough for me at this point.
So just get the kit that will satisfy your needs in terms of memory capacity and don't think about min-maxing, it's pointless.
If anything, focus on getting a better gpu, and if you already have a 4090, you'd better think about getting an oled monitor or smth else.
Not sure on his issue but I have a 7800x3d paired with 2x48GB M-Die myself, it will run fine, just lower your expectations on how far it'll overclock (since 2x48GB is DR and dual sided (RUNS HOT))
I have mine at 6200CL30 (I know it can do 6400CL28 but I don't have time to spend stabilizing it, most likely a heat issue as I have no fan for it).
just get a 2x16 8000 c38 gskill kit those have pretty much the best binned chips you can get, i have a 2x24 8200 c38 kit too and it ran horrible with my 9800x3d, it worked on 8200 on my 9950x tho. the 9800x3d's are just horrible at ram overclocking, best i could get the 32gb kit tuned to was 6200 c26 36 36 30
@@S4SK__1 Stop stop stop. Read the fact that they want 2x48GB which means capacity. The most you could advise them to consider is 2x32GB. Which is still a loss of 32GB.
Their worry was buildzoid saying that his 9800x3d had issues posting with a similar kit.
@@xynthexiamy 9800x3d boots and is stable with these timings in the video with 2x24GB m die 6400 kit + b650m tweaked. Might just be silicon lottery with the 9800x3d
YESSSSSS, WE'RE FINALLY IN THE DDR4 B-DIE ERAAAAAAAAAAAA.
WHOOOOOOO!!!!!
Hey guys...sorry to ask this here but could anyone recomend a 32gig kit of ddr4. Down to spend about 120 for budget. Thanks...dont do research just off the top of your head or from experience.
msi mpg b550 gaming edge wifi
5800x3d
Do you own research for yur own system maybe
basically anything dual rank since you're on a 5800X3D
llow end trash vs highest end overclocked = margin of error performance increase.
First!