Love the way theres ramp traffic still crossing whilst the aircraft is being pushed back . Jeez I would of had airport ops throw the book at me using the push back with one tug pushing another. Could of potentially damaged the nose gear .
The plane wasn't overloaded, so there's no danger to the nose gear. Either this tug had no diff lock or the guy didnt know how to use it. Im betting the latter, but idk.
Normally that push tug should do the job for a 777-200.The wet pavement with oil on it doesn't help. There is larger push tug that can push a 777-300 that can be used too.
I'm no certified ground operator, but... methinks that roasting the tires for the first five seconds would be clue enough to, you know, release the throttle and evaluate. The more rubber gets smeared into the tarmac, the smoother and slipperier the driving surface becomes.
The tugs have a wet and dry chart on the side that tells you if it can push back certain aircrafts also like everyone else said about the de ice fluid. My biggest concern is that they kept trying even while burning rubber and even tried using 2 tugs? What in the world
Thanks for the comment Kasper. I had no idea what was going on and that's why I pulled out the camera and started filming. They eventually were able to get the plane pushed back with an even bigger tug.
Plane delayed, ground facilities limited in some way (demand, lack of resources etc.) and poor training would be my guess why they just went ahead with it
I worked 44 years in airline maintenance and have pushed thousands of flts and maintenance tows. This is a case of too lite of a tug for the job and or its not in 4 wheel drive. The tug has enough hp but not enough traction. Wt will improve traction and all wheels driving will help to.
I think you are right. The right front wheel is smoking a lot and leaves dark black tyre marks on the ground. It must be spinning on the wet surface and that indicates lack of 4 weel drive mode.
@@TomsAviationChannel9813 there are no dumb questions, really. Some aircraft can use their thrust reversers for that, but many more don't. I think the tail-mounted engines are OK, because they are higher up from ground level. The wing mounted engines are not OK, because they are lower and there is a risk that the reversed airflow will kick up some dust or small stones, that will be re-ingested into the engine. And finally, there are airport regulations, which can prohibit usage of reversers at the gates, partly to protect the terminal windows (from the kick-up of small particles and small pieces of concrete), partly protecting personnel working near the gates on the ground. The safest solution for everyone is to push back, start up and only throttle up when taxiing forward. I hope this explains.
Ex United Ramp agent from IAD here… ground to slick which is causing the pushback to skid. Either ice on the ramp there or glycol (De-icing fluid). Happens often in the winter, just a traction thing. An aircraft has to be completely balanced in order to fly, so if it was overweighted at all, they wouldn’t even push the plane out, and would fix the issue while loading or right before dispatch (pushback). Safety number one, always!
Because people are stupid and dont pay attention I work at YYZ you should of seen how many times my pushbacks got cut off by some retarded people the Catarting Trucks are the worst followed by Swissport aka (shitport) but if Aviation Safety catches you cutting off a Aircraft or pushback can get you 6 points on your Airport Drivers license and or a suspension
@@limitedkanji I went on indeed Jobs or go to Menzies website or GTA Dnata website or Air Canada I work for Mezies aviation I got the job through indeed but yea either look up Ramp Agent on indeed or just go to those companies websites the best companies on the Ramp are GTA Dnata Menzis and Air Canada as of now my company is looking for Ramp Agents and Ramp Leads
Pilots always check the weight, according to the manifest before leaving. Therefore, this tug, and the problem it's having is due to the slippery surface, and not the weight of the plane.
True. And the pushbacktruck, used to operate the pushback of the aircraft, needs to have the right opportunities and power. We, at KLM Aircraft Towing Department, do have 5 type of pushbacktrucks. The largest one is able to push and/or tow an aircraft with 480tons of max weight.
@FeathersMcgraw I referred to the weight of the plane, not exceeding the capabilities of the tractor. The tractor is capable of pushing the plane away from the gate, however a slippery surface can complicate things.
The problem is the tug is too lightweight for the job. They needed a heavy duty tug that can push the weight of the aircraft especially a 777 that is most likely at MTOW.
The angle of the tug is wrong in relationship to the aircraft. They should have used a SUPERTUG which are larger and have much more horsepower especially for a heavy jet at MTOW. Vehicles driving on the ramp dodge airplanes all day. Experience tells the vehicle driver where it is safe to drive around an aircraft.
The tug is fine, when it's winter and the ramp is coated with deicing fluid, ice and snow, the heaviest tugs can have problems pushing out planes. All there is to it
If I’m not mistaken, that tug is supposed to be 4 wheel drive. If so, its clearly NOT powering the rear axle, so technical problem? Next issue is the nimrod simply flooring it, letting the wheel spin. Reminds me of the nimrods that get stuck in the snow, so they simply stand on the throttle spinning the tires, going nowhere.
Looks like a flight out of Chicago Ohare. Could be ice, glycol, or both making the surface too slippery and it is a shaded area possibly preventing the iced up surface from melting. Looks like the tug does not have 4WD. Could use chains or sand to increase traction. I'm an aircraft mechanic and that tug is rated for 777 use but they could use a bigger tug or traction aids that day.
@Steven Strain you see the guy with the tug pushing the pushback? he is in winter gear, so i know it's cold. As for glycol fluid, yes it is sticky but it will become slippery because you aren't getting any traction on the ground. At ORD they mostly de-ice at the gate. They just recently opened that de-icing bay so that's where most planes go now.
There are dedicated points on the airports were you have to go to do the de-ice/anti-ice procedures. You cannot just throw all of these chermical products close to the aprons were people is working.
It's like a tugboat on wheels... alot of torque with a powerful diesel engine. Most push tugs have Ballast weights to keep the tug on the ground and to make the tug heavy. A wet and oily pavement doesn't help get the job done.
That tug can handle that airplane. Deicing fluid looks to be the issue. Very resourceful grabbing a smaller tug for a push. I've got hundreds of pushbacks experience but nothing on a jet of that size but even pushing a 727 was hard on a greasy surface. A tug smoke show? Now that's one I've never seen before !
@@NarasimhaDiyasena I agree, that tractor is a Tug Gt-50, between 55,000 and 60,000lb. Should be using a heavier tractor, The Tug GT 110 is the proper unit at 110,000lb.
I think they should of used a different type of push back tractor Requirement for the 777 I was trained on this push back method always use the correct pushback tractor to push back the right type of aircraft
It happened to my lead once we were pushing back the Tug just died on him in the middle of the Apron aslo one time to we had a big snowstorm and there was like 20cm of snow on the ramp and the tires on the tug were spinning so we had to use shovels and dig the tires out
My very first Midland flight was from Honolulu to Chicago O’Hare in 1976, on my way to college in Iowa. I think my latest trip was last May, March, 44 years later. United has never lost my bags or had much of a delay. Then again, I paid the same for my one-way ticket 44 years ago, as I did last year round-trip. This ramp fiasco has me scratching my head on whether I should continue flying.
No plane is “too heavy” for those tugs, they’re literally built for that purpose. Perhaps you should do a bit of research and understand that the ramp is covered in deicing fluid (glycol) which is real slippery.
Passengers: Yay! We are pushing back! Ground Crew: Hmm. It will not move. Passengers: Wait. We keep moving back and going back to the gate. Ground Crew: Dam you plane being over weight. Passengers: We will be late to our holiday party. :/
It's like a tugboat on wheels... alot of torque with a powerful diesel engine. Most push tugs have Ballast weights to keep the tug on the ground and to make the tug heavy. A wet and oily pavement doesn't help get the job done.
I'm not sure, but most of these tugs has 4x4 setup to pushing heavy planes. This vehicle is using single (front) traction. If someone knows more, please clarify that
Judging from the undeterred nature of the repeated pushback attemps, and the small tug helping out, i guess they have that situation more often then should be. its time to get a heavier tug.
I have been working on the ramp now for 30+ years now for 3 major carriers,and pushed and pulled mean a/c's. When the deice fluid gets on paint markings and the tug is pushing on angle ,there is no traction until he gets more out there.
The first time the wheels skid and I don't get anywhere, I'm terminating the push and seeking some other form of pushback. It is insane to me that they kept trying to push when it wasn't working.
@@noahwilliams8918 I worked on aircraft, with airlines. Their are very specific requirements for ramp construction, one of which is a slight incline. It's there for push back.
That's interesting! Would you be okay with me featuring this in an episode of Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description.
You would think they would make those with locking diffs or something. Have to push a plane on slick tarmac, and all you got is a peg-leg to work with.
I'm Pretty sure this wasn't in the operation manual, or safety procedures...and why the hell are all the ground equipment passing behind an active pushback?
As a tow aircraft operator I would wonder what this guy was thinking. Why use a gt50 In wet/ slippery conditions for a 777-200? This tug to just about do it when it's dry but not fair too well in thos condition. That tractor won't cut it trying to push behind. He should have used a bigger tug. In my station, these series of tugs are used for a330 and below, we stopped using them on 777s. A JBT B1200 sized tug can easily push this and with weight package, it could push an a380. The other option is to call the tow crew to use their towbarless tugs no matter the brand, to push this out. Those tugs lift the plane by the nose gear thus taking on a part of the plane's weight improving traction. The tug used here is too light weight for these conditions and doesn't have enough power also due to being 2 wheel drive. They could have tried salting/ sanded the ground too as that can be worth a shot. Edit: in the follow up video, they used a bigger tug.
I guess this is why tugs grab the plane's front wheel and lift it off the ground adding the plane's weight to the traction of the tug. Either that or too many passengers were eating at too many buffets
1 question. If the plane was that hard to push back, to takeoff he gonna need more space and difficulties to go up. Or its just the lil car dont have enough power to push it back?
This is actually dangerous as you can pick up FOD (Foreign Object Debris) and fowl the engine up. There was a 737 crash on Washington that was caused by using the engines to push the aircraft back from the gate. Easier to just have a tug push you back and then start up.
I am not a airline expert but i am mechanical and always thought pushing a airplane from the front wheel makes no sense. I guess they do it because the tug is in front and may do the least damage. I still think the jet blue with the crossway front landing gear was due to tug damage!
You can notice it’s harder for the tug to also straighten out from a turn or keep the nose wheel straight. At 2:30 you can see the tug almost jack knife the tow bar and almost bust the turn limits of the nosewheel which in most jets is approximately 70 degrees. This could have potentially damaged the nosewheel requiring the plane to be grounded.
Why is the pushback reversing the plane while there aren't any wing walkers present to prevent aircraft collision? And why are airside vehicles moving behind the reversing plane? I work at an apron reserved for logistic operations, and that would be considered a major airside safety violation.
Oh where is Kennedy Steve when the Very -Slow- Weak Super Tug _x_ can't cut the mustard. 🤭 Why did they think a baggage tuglet would make any difference except to leave more rubber on the apron?
The question to me is why any grounds personnel would proceed to push an aircraft that costs hundreds of millions of dollars when there is clearly no traction or when you decide to use a smaller tractor to "push" the back of another.
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Tug to ATC
'we have a problem'
Pilot to ATC
'sorry left the handbrake on'
Not possible but could be funny!
That was my thought that the brakes were still engaged.
It's happened. Seen it result in a collapsed nose gear.
@@robertborchert932 Saw that. Someone probably got the axe for that.
lol
If this was spirit, they would make the people get off and push.
And ask $5 from each passengers for the experience.
That comment there? That was some funny shit!!!!
Lol 😂
If it was spirit, there would ba riot.
So True!
Bigger Tug: I am having problem pushing aircraft
Smaller Tug: Hold my glass brother
Good one lol
Ok, everybody… off the plane and push! 😉
Leia to Han: Should I get out and push?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
LOL😂😂
Lol!!
how do they get in again lmao
Ladies and gentlemen this is your pilot speaking if I could get everybody to rock back and forth back and forth we should be able to leave shortly🛩🤪
Lol 😂
On Southwest, they have you rock back and forth.
On Spirit, they have you get out and push. 😎
Love the way theres ramp traffic still crossing whilst the aircraft is being pushed back . Jeez I would of had airport ops throw the book at me using the push back with one tug pushing another. Could of potentially damaged the nose gear .
Haha yeah never approach an aircraft with the AC lights on, so many safety breaches here, but I'm none the wiser lol.
The plane wasn't overloaded, so there's no danger to the nose gear. Either this tug had no diff lock or the guy didnt know how to use it. Im betting the latter, but idk.
That luggage cart was almost creamed when the small tug backed up
Normally that push tug should do the job for a 777-200.The wet pavement with oil on it doesn't help. There is larger push tug that can push a 777-300 that can be used too.
But here the issue clearly wasn't with the Tow-Truck. It was with the De-icing fluids on the Tarmac.
you would think the tug would have locking diffs and 4wd
@@stephenbinkley but this isn’t very necessary due to its insane weight
Let me write this down for my term exam
Using wrong tug🤦🏽
I’m just imagining Kennedy Steve’s reaction to the baggage trains cutting off the aircraft 😅
I'm no certified ground operator, but... methinks that roasting the tires for the first five seconds would be clue enough to, you know, release the throttle and evaluate.
The more rubber gets smeared into the tarmac, the smoother and slipperier the driving surface becomes.
I'm agree...
exact same thought
The tugs have a wet and dry chart on the side that tells you if it can push back certain aircrafts also like everyone else said about the de ice fluid. My biggest concern is that they kept trying even while burning rubber and even tried using 2 tugs? What in the world
Thanks for the comment Kasper. I had no idea what was going on and that's why I pulled out the camera and started filming. They eventually were able to get the plane pushed back with an even bigger tug.
Plane delayed, ground facilities limited in some way (demand, lack of resources etc.) and poor training would be my guess why they just went ahead with it
Ive pushed back and towed thousands of planes and this is a first for me.
Me too.
Is the plane overwight?..
Ive pushed hundreds of planes from regionals to a 747 why dont they just get another tug
Crappy tires on the tug? Along with a wet surface?
I worked 44 years in airline maintenance and have pushed thousands of flts and maintenance tows. This is a case of too lite of a tug for the job and or its not in 4 wheel drive. The tug has enough hp but not enough traction. Wt will improve traction and all wheels driving will help to.
Wrong; read the description.
I think you are right. The right front wheel is smoking a lot and leaves dark black tyre marks on the ground. It must be spinning on the wet surface and that indicates lack of 4 weel drive mode.
@@rnzoli Really dumb question on my part: Why can't the aircraft push back itself using reverse thrust?
@@TomsAviationChannel9813 there are no dumb questions, really. Some aircraft can use their thrust reversers for that, but many more don't. I think the tail-mounted engines are OK, because they are higher up from ground level. The wing mounted engines are not OK, because they are lower and there is a risk that the reversed airflow will kick up some dust or small stones, that will be re-ingested into the engine. And finally, there are airport regulations, which can prohibit usage of reversers at the gates, partly to protect the terminal windows (from the kick-up of small particles and small pieces of concrete), partly protecting personnel working near the gates on the ground. The safest solution for everyone is to push back, start up and only throttle up when taxiing forward. I hope this explains.
@@rnzoli Thanks so much for responding I had no idea!!!
Ex United Ramp agent from IAD here… ground to slick which is causing the pushback to skid. Either ice on the ramp there or glycol (De-icing fluid). Happens often in the winter, just a traction thing. An aircraft has to be completely balanced in order to fly, so if it was overweighted at all, they wouldn’t even push the plane out, and would fix the issue while loading or right before dispatch (pushback). Safety number one, always!
Imagine trying to take off with an over weight airplane. Not safe.
I have no idea why the gse vehicles aren’t stopping if there’s an active pushback.
It’s United there ramp agents dgaf
Because people are stupid and dont pay attention I work at YYZ you should of seen how many times my pushbacks got cut off by some retarded people the Catarting Trucks are the worst followed by Swissport aka (shitport) but if Aviation Safety catches you cutting off a Aircraft or pushback can get you 6 points on your Airport Drivers license and or a suspension
i was wondering same thing too?
@@danielpetrucci8952 how u get a ramp agent job? I'm starting my pilot training soon, and I was thinking about that for a job.
@@limitedkanji I went on indeed Jobs or go to Menzies website or GTA Dnata website or Air Canada I work for Mezies aviation I got the job through indeed but yea either look up Ramp Agent on indeed or just go to those companies websites the best companies on the Ramp are GTA Dnata Menzis and Air Canada as of now my company is looking for Ramp Agents and Ramp Leads
Pilots always check the weight, according to the manifest before leaving. Therefore, this tug, and the problem it's having is due to the slippery surface, and not the weight of the plane.
True. And the pushbacktruck, used to operate the pushback of the aircraft, needs to have the right opportunities and power. We, at KLM Aircraft Towing Department, do have 5 type of pushbacktrucks. The largest one is able to push and/or tow an aircraft with 480tons of max weight.
@FeathersMcgraw It appears the slippery surface is the problem, and not the weight of the plane so much..
@FeathersMcgraw A boat, yes. However, an airline weighing several hundred tons needs a bit of a "tug" to get it moving
@FeathersMcgraw I referred to the weight of the plane, not exceeding the capabilities of the tractor. The tractor is capable of pushing the plane away from the gate, however a slippery surface can complicate things.
@FeathersMcgraw Not upset at all. I enjoy exchanging points of view with others.
RUclips: wanna see some troubled push back?
Me: Hell yah
The problem is the tug is too lightweight for the job. They needed a heavy duty tug that can push the weight of the aircraft especially a 777 that is most likely at MTOW.
The angle of the tug is wrong in relationship to the aircraft. They should have used a SUPERTUG which are larger and have much more horsepower especially for a heavy jet at MTOW. Vehicles driving on the ramp dodge airplanes all day. Experience tells the vehicle driver where it is safe to drive around an aircraft.
The tug is fine, when it's winter and the ramp is coated with deicing fluid, ice and snow, the heaviest tugs can have problems pushing out planes. All there is to it
If I’m not mistaken, that tug is supposed to be 4 wheel drive. If so, its clearly NOT powering the rear axle, so technical problem? Next issue is the nimrod simply flooring it, letting the wheel spin. Reminds me of the nimrods that get stuck in the snow, so they simply stand on the throttle spinning the tires, going nowhere.
That is a gt50, it's front wheel drive only
De-ice at the gate?
thought there was a ramp for that
I always see de-icing at gate for O'Hare
Looks like a flight out of Chicago Ohare. Could be ice, glycol, or both making the surface too slippery and it is a shaded area possibly preventing the iced up surface from melting. Looks like the tug does not have 4WD. Could use chains or sand to increase traction. I'm an aircraft mechanic and that tug is rated for 777 use but they could use a bigger tug or traction aids that day.
Each tug is rated for aircraft type, for this to happen its either no traction or Tug problems.
This tug is NOT rated for this 777.
The back and forth must have been interesting for the crew and pax.
It's because they de-ice the plane at the gate and that causes the ground to be very slippery thats all.
@Steven Strain you see the guy with the tug pushing the pushback? he is in winter gear, so i know it's cold. As for glycol fluid, yes it is sticky but it will become slippery because you aren't getting any traction on the ground. At ORD they mostly de-ice at the gate. They just recently opened that de-icing bay so that's where most planes go now.
@@bigkevinpetrona yep I think that is on the east side off of Mannheim. Rd correct..
There are dedicated points on the airports were you have to go to do the de-ice/anti-ice procedures. You cannot just throw all of these chermical products close to the aprons were people is working.
I just always try to imagine...how a tiny vehicle pushes a huge aircraft🤗❤️
It's like a tugboat on wheels... alot of torque with a powerful diesel engine. Most push tugs have Ballast weights to keep the tug on the ground and to make the tug heavy.
A wet and oily pavement doesn't help get the job done.
finally, we have a proper push back burnout!
That tug can handle that airplane. Deicing fluid looks to be the issue. Very resourceful grabbing a smaller tug for a push. I've got hundreds of pushbacks experience but nothing on a jet of that size but even pushing a 727 was hard on a greasy surface. A tug smoke show? Now that's one I've never seen before !
Or might be pushing in a higher gear
@@davidsmiths5471 Could be right. The tug I used was a single speed unit.
If the B777 was too heavy, imagine the A380...
There’s a ‘super’ pushback dedicated to pushing back heavy aircraft. This one isn’t one of them. This one generally pushes back a330’s and below
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It may of been alright if it wasn't for the wet floor, it just couldn't get no traction.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena I agree, that tractor is a Tug Gt-50, between 55,000 and 60,000lb. Should be using a heavier tractor, The Tug GT 110 is the proper unit at 110,000lb.
I think they should of used a different type of push back tractor
Requirement for the 777 I was trained on this push back method always use the correct pushback tractor to push back the right type of aircraft
The pavement is probably covered in de-icing fluid which is slippery.
It happened to my lead once we were pushing back the Tug just died on him in the middle of the Apron aslo one time to we had a big snowstorm and there was like 20cm of snow on the ramp and the tires on the tug were spinning so we had to use shovels and dig the tires out
Burnouts at the airport AWESOME!
He's getting ready for some bracket racing up at the Grove later in the day LOL
I guess the "Aloha" will just have to wait another hour! Oh my!
Just went through a set of tires on one push.
Pilot: Ladies and gentleman, we are currently suffering a pushback issue, please expect 10 minutes of delay, thank you.
anybody else waiting for the punchline?
My very first Midland flight was from Honolulu to Chicago O’Hare in 1976, on my way to college in Iowa. I think my latest trip was last May, March, 44 years later. United has never lost my bags or had much of a delay. Then again, I paid the same for my one-way ticket 44 years ago, as I did last year round-trip. This ramp fiasco has me scratching my head on whether I should continue flying.
Oh so that's why they only allow one check-in luggage for international travel!!
No plane is “too heavy” for those tugs, they’re literally built for that purpose.
Perhaps you should do a bit of research and understand that the ramp is covered in deicing fluid (glycol) which is real slippery.
Perhaps you can lose the attitude when updating a post with your superior knowledge
I've worked ramp, there are some push back tugs that limited to pushing back airplane X and smaller. Yes the wet pavement is a contributing factor.
OK Mr. Know It All..
Let's not worry about flying United. Instead, let's tug united
Passengers: Yay! We are pushing back!
Ground Crew: Hmm. It will not move.
Passengers: Wait. We keep moving back and going back to the gate.
Ground Crew: Dam you plane being over weight.
Passengers: We will be late to our holiday party. :/
It's like a tugboat on wheels... alot of torque with a powerful diesel engine. Most push tugs have Ballast weights to keep the tug on the ground and to make the tug heavy.
A wet and oily pavement doesn't help get the job done.
All these people commenting who have never actually pushed a plane in their life 🤣
@@69fastbackk and still; why its allowed to use faulty tugs, using only front drive axle?!
I would say that clutch is toast!😁
This camera angle looks just like in Home Alone 2 (same airport by the way)
I’m pleasantly surprised that failed pushbacks don’t happen more often as that 777 weighs about 300 tons!
I'm not sure, but most of these tugs has 4x4 setup to pushing heavy planes. This vehicle is using single (front) traction. If someone knows more, please clarify that
Judging from the undeterred nature of the repeated pushback attemps, and the small tug helping out, i guess they have that situation more often then should be. its time to get a heavier tug.
Might be an uphill surface. Otherwise i can't explain, how he is struggling to go forward, while going back it seems to go much easy...
I'm giving her all she's got Captain . 🤓
I have been working on the ramp now for 30+ years now for 3 major carriers,and pushed and pulled mean a/c's. When the deice fluid gets on paint markings and the tug is pushing on angle ,there is no traction until he gets more out there.
The first time the wheels skid and I don't get anywhere, I'm terminating the push and seeking some other form of pushback. It is insane to me that they kept trying to push when it wasn't working.
What other form of pushback?
@@pingpongpung start up the engines, and use reverse thrust like the old days
The captain probably thinking, WTF is going on down there.
In San Jose a SouthWest Boeing 737-8H4 was too heavy to take off and the pushback failed there too. We had to move to a different gate.
I guess this plane just needs another 777-300 to hook on to n to pull it back!
Ramps are designed to be on a slight incline, to aid push back.
*allegedly
@@noahwilliams8918 I worked on aircraft, with airlines. Their are very specific requirements for ramp construction, one of which is a slight incline. It's there for push back.
Why is it able to go in reverse just fine, and not forward❓
Stunning capture! May I feature this clip in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. Cheers!
Yes, you may feature this clip in your video.
That's interesting! Would you be okay with me featuring this in an episode of Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description.
Hi @lucaas, you are free to feature it but I would appreciate a link to this video if possible. Thanks!
@@ssegraves Thanks, the video is now uploaded on my channel with a link to this video!
Ohare is one of the last places that allows deicing at the gate.
Slippery when wet, more so with glycol.....
oof, slick conditions do make a pushback tough
What's really crazy is all the ramp traffic still driving a moving aircraft and becons on !!!
The plane wasn’t too heavy as you can see it did pushback a little at first.
As long as it is not above mtow, the plane is never too heavy.
Flight Information Display: Departed, Arrived, Departed, Arrived, oh I give up.
You would think they would make those with locking diffs or something. Have to push a plane on slick tarmac, and all you got is a peg-leg to work with.
I'm Pretty sure this wasn't in the operation manual, or safety procedures...and why the hell are all the ground equipment passing behind an active pushback?
Are you sure the aircraft parking brake is OFF. .???? Did you check first ??????
I think the tug has a mechanical issue cuz you can see how much smoke is coming out of it
As a tow aircraft operator I would wonder what this guy was thinking. Why use a gt50 In wet/ slippery conditions for a 777-200? This tug to just about do it when it's dry but not fair too well in thos condition. That tractor won't cut it trying to push behind. He should have used a bigger tug. In my station, these series of tugs are used for a330 and below, we stopped using them on 777s. A JBT B1200 sized tug can easily push this and with weight package, it could push an a380. The other option is to call the tow crew to use their towbarless tugs no matter the brand, to push this out. Those tugs lift the plane by the nose gear thus taking on a part of the plane's weight improving traction. The tug used here is too light weight for these conditions and doesn't have enough power also due to being 2 wheel drive. They could have tried salting/ sanded the ground too as that can be worth a shot.
Edit: in the follow up video, they used a bigger tug.
The pilot on the taxiway: oh, the parking brake
It isn't heavy....it just the area is wet with low friction...
Wheels are slipping due de-ice residue in apron
We at Continental just asked the crew to go idle reverse and the pushback was like dry pavement.
Nothing like giving it a tug and not getting a happy ending.
Hmm... What do you mean by THAT?!
@@michaelrmurphy2734 When you push with a tug and the plane goes nowhere, it is an unfortunate event. What did you think I meant?
I guess this is why tugs grab the plane's front wheel and lift it off the ground adding the plane's weight to the traction of the tug. Either that or too many passengers were eating at too many buffets
This happened to me and my lead at YYZ we were pushing back a 737-700 and in the middle of the Apron the Tug Died and shut off lol
That happens weekly at my station😂
When you forgot to release parking brake:
Hold on Fred, I'll go get my F-250
1 question. If the plane was that hard to push back, to takeoff he gonna need more space and difficulties to go up. Or its just the lil car dont have enough power to push it back?
The car has enough power, just not enough grip. The plane taking off isn't primarily dependent on the grip (because of jet engines...)
The treads on the tire are worn out this Tug has a 1,500hp engine it's just matanice does not do a good job at replacing tires
Ok, I’ve seen it done before. Why could the pilot not have started the engines and pushed himself back using the thrust reversers?
This is actually dangerous as you can pick up FOD (Foreign Object Debris) and fowl the engine up. There was a 737 crash on Washington that was caused by using the engines to push the aircraft back from the gate. Easier to just have a tug push you back and then start up.
Commercial aircraft are no longer allowed to backup using reverse thrusters.
@@NyltLifeguard yes, it crashed into the Potomac after smashing the bridge and some cars with it. Air Florida.
Buddy in the little tug, even see that baggage truck coming behind him? could have been another disaster
Wow, that's crazy.
Been there, done that 😄 With a fully loaded 747-2- or 400 and a small rwd 25tons truck 😄
Nice! Ever seen a reverse thrust pushback?
@@Plqnes Yes, both prop and jetengine
@@ruhebitte7999 cool
When the little tug comes along to help lmao
Wow 😯 that BURNOUT from Tow Truck
Isn't this why they're supposed to do anti-ice washdowns away from the gate where friction with the ground is no longer an issue?
me trying to push the old lady into the house after a night at the bar
I am not a airline expert but i am mechanical and always thought pushing a airplane from the front wheel makes no sense. I guess they do it because the tug is in front and may do the least damage. I still think the jet blue with the crossway front landing gear was due to tug damage!
Wow incredible
All the pilot had to do was put the transmission in reverse. He could clearly see that push back tug was having trouble?
To be more precise, the tires do not have enough traction.
There is something wrong with the right wheel. That is why it was then pushed from the right side at the back.
Houston we've have a Problem . So Did they ever get the plane off to Fly or did it just stay???
Wet concrete surface is making it difficult too.
You can notice it’s harder for the tug to also straighten out from a turn or keep the nose wheel straight. At 2:30 you can see the tug almost jack knife the tow bar and almost bust the turn limits of the nosewheel which in most jets is approximately 70 degrees. This could have potentially damaged the nosewheel requiring the plane to be grounded.
Why is the pushback reversing the plane while there aren't any wing walkers present to prevent aircraft collision? And why are airside vehicles moving behind the reversing plane? I work at an apron reserved for logistic operations, and that would be considered a major airside safety violation.
Time for reverse thrust 😳
Select the PBT according to it's draw bar pull capacity....
Nice video!
Oh where is Kennedy Steve when the Very -Slow- Weak Super Tug _x_ can't cut the mustard. 🤭
Why did they think a baggage tuglet would make any difference except to leave more rubber on the apron?
You could try using the trust reversers. Maybe that would help?
The question to me is why any grounds personnel would proceed to push an aircraft that costs hundreds of millions of dollars when there is clearly no traction or when you decide to use a smaller tractor to "push" the back of another.
Woooooo! Bumper cars!
„Parking brake set“ „check“