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How ‘Welcome To Rosas’ RUINED EVERYTHING [Wish]
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- The opening number for a musical is ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL for making or breaking an entire show - and because of this, Welcome to Rosa's may have DESTROYED Disney's Wish. This opening number does not come close to the musical numbers in the classic Disney movies, but why? This Video Essay will break down lyrics, rhythm issues and characterization, as well as show examples of how these elements could be 'fixed'.
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Ok soooo is six a good Example for a pop(ish) Musical(im asking cuz me and my cuz are Obsessed with their songs)
I’ve gotten some questions about this so I’m thinking about making a RUclips short to answer it! Stay tuned! 👀👀👀
@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch NOOOO NOT A SHORT NOOO( I want your long form content )
I could make a long-form video about specific Six song for sure! In terms of the pop music as a general question though it’s a very short answer 😂
Honestly I would LOOOVE to hear your opinions on so many musicals (particularly EPIC, not gonna lie 🤣🤣😅)
They want too much to make Rosas to look like an enchanting place and ironically it's the most plain kindgom Disney ever made
It's crazy because it just screams low budget but like.... this movie had MONEY LOL
@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch It looks like a Shrek background scene lol
And it shows us: Rosas is sooo perfect... But one only person who is down after the ceremony (did it not happend before?) takes it all. But why were adults singing in the beginning? They must have been all sad... 😅
It’s so flat and bare and SO visually boring! It’s like a set piece.
That should've been the idea; a depression or selfishness under the facade, proving Magnifico's point of people not willing to work hard for their dreams, but also showing his negative side of removing part of themselves.
Wish having a downfall implies it was ever high up to begin with 😔😔
The bar was really always on the floor 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
To be fair, a lot of potential was there:
1. Disney's second black lead and one of their few mixed-race leads (I can only think of Hiro and Mirabel as other ones). Obviously this doesn't make the story better, but it was still amazing to include.
2. A pop artist doing the music (I know people roll their eyes, but there have been musicals that succeed at making great songs in the pop vein).
3. A complex villain and message
4. A possible romance (I recall Star and Asha being referred to as "soulmates," though lookibg back, IDK if it was purposefully meant to sound romantic or not) and one of the few ones where the lead or the love interests have magic powers.
5. A DISTINCT European setting. Most fantasy stories go for a "generic European" vibe, so making it Iberian-influenced was awesome--even if that might not have been the best decision since their last musical was Colombian (not that Spain and Colombia are the same, but the similarities may have led to the music feeling a bit too familiar too soon).
@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch*A pull-up bar in hell
The only thing that was ever high were the writers
That implies the high point of Wish was the few minutes before Welcome to Rosa's... which is sad but accurate.
I genuinely forgot this movie is even supposed to be set in Spain. How do you make a setting for a musical based off a culture with such famously vibrant music and make it so bland?
Not to mention the city is supposed to be diverse but everyone has the same type of clothing. Like if you want to be diverse then show it in things like architecture and fashion
@@moon7shinev150 Yeah, or like at the very least hair styles. Just something to not make it feel like Duloc but without the irony.
Asha and Amaya I heard are of North African descent; this was Disney's first time representing Amazigh/Moorish people but they were like naw nvm
The reason for that is 1) they hired a pop writer that doesnt have much knowledge on musical pieces and 2) the songs were written before anything was done for the movie so the music writer had only the base concepts to go of off which is so fucking weird. Music is supposed to go in tandem with the story, it is a story telling device. How can you make musical pieces without having a concrete story in hanf
Disney doesn't care about Spain.
It seems they took inspo from "Encanto" and "Moana" for a cute, upbeat opening, when they needed something epic and foreboding like "Frozen," "The Hunchback of Notre Dame," "Aladdin," and "The Little Mermaid."
How about Beauty and the Beast as well since that has an amazing opening number that not only introduces the story BUT also managed to explain who the main character is, which is what Wish failed to do, with “Welcome To Rosas” we’re constantly told about Magnifico and the wishes even though it’s already been talked about in the book, so I think the rewritten version should focus more on the environment and how people react to Asha as well as knowing her a bit more.
@@ThatBoyShads I think BATB was one of the influences used, and it's also an upbeat number, not quite as mysterious or foreboding as I would want.
But I do agree that we should know more about Asha and how people interact with her. Despite being a tour guide, we don't see her involved in the community much once she learns the truth.
They could get away with having an upbeat number if they kept and refined the opening storybook narration about Magnificio, like BatB does that foreboding thing with the Beast but then Belle as the opening song. I think they actually could have done a compromise and have a number like Frozen 2. You have Anna who is very upbeat about how things are not changing whereas Elsa feels that mysterious call for change. You could have the people of Rosas be that peppy-upbeat vibe but have Asha be the person who knows something is wrong. That way we have the best of everything and it shows the contrast between the brainwashed adults and how Asha is aware of the danger.
@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch With "Frozen," I was actually referring to "All is Found" and "Frozen Heart," but I get what you mean about striking a balance!
The man with hair that touches down to his feet infuriates me.
What a waste of a wish. What a waste of a line.
it reminds me of the long hair dancing scene in the minions movie and it hurts
I do NOT understand why they did that 😭😭😭😭 like sure, give him long hair, but make it so his hair has a life of its own and octopus arms or something. Have it change colour. Have it do literally anything. I could see someone wishing for Rapunzel-like Hair as someone who really cares about their curly hair but like……….. just long? And he’s hiding it anyway before it’s revealed? That’s really weird 😭😭😭😭😭
What’s hilarious is the fact that this idea came from the same company that created a film with a girl with magic long hair that can be used to keep a person young, basically immortal, can heal any wound, and glows and this is the grand wish they come up with for the film called Wish, to just have long hair? 🤦🏽♀️ not hair that can move as a second pair of arms, not hair that do anything worthwhile, just to grow long
I don't think it was a wish as it was preceeded by "Do you want to dance all day" and she didn't talk about wishes yet, I think she was just saying in Rosas they won't judge you for having long hair, but that's just my interpretation of a song from a movie I don't wanna watch lol
@@Chaki21 No, it was "do you want to dance on beat" and it was framed like something to wish for
It's always so jarring that they're talking about outer space in a medieval setting.
I was like ?????? What the hell 😭😭😭😭 like obviously outer space EXISTED but it’s not very magical, the sky could have been the HEAVENS LOL
Yes! That and the reference to shareholders?? Front yards??? Isn't this meant to predate all other Disney films??
@@Marigold11037Just shows how corporate Disney is
Welcome to Rosas sounds like it’s trying to be The Family Madrigal. You have gotta do At All Cost next
Yeah they wanted to be Lin Manuel Miranda but they will never be him. I will cover all the Wish songs!! Don’t worry!!
@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch it’s crazy like they’re Disney if you want Lin Manuel Miranda then get Lin Manuel Miranda. No diss to Julia Michaels though she worked her best with what they gave and only gave her 3 weeks to write and then didn’t let her fix anything. It’s not even that she’s a pop artist since pop in Disney movies can work like Phil Collin’s in Tarzan. But songwriters are usually involved in the entire movie process. Like Alan Menken and Lin Manuel Miranda weren’t given just a movie summary, they were actively involved in the movie process. You can find videos of Alan Menken coaching Jodi Benson and Lin Manuel Miranda even changed Bruno’s original name Oscar to Bruno just for the We Don’t Talk About Bruno line Bruno no no
Now that was a movie that actually used the musical themes and magic well.
I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but I thought that the line in "Tangled" where Flynn Rider or Eugene says "sorry boys, I don't sing" was a sign that Disney was slowly losing touch. Same in Moana when Maui says "if you start singing, I'm gonna throw up." It's like for the sake of comedy they are slowly forgetting that singing in order to convey powerful emotions is a very sacred art when it comes to their films.
That’s a very interesting idea: I feel like there could be a whole video about that haha. I guess cliff notes is that I think it works for Tangled especially because the lyricist most likely wrote it. It’s very in character for Flynn and he immediately gets a hostile reaction to the fact he said that.
With Maui it’s weird because it’s in the script and also like…. He sings earlier. So it’s okay with him to do it but not Moana 😭😭😭 I think what they mean is that he doesn’t want to hear about her feelings and that means her singing - but Moana is a little bit too “aware” of other Disney movies at points so I agree with the idea that the problem started there. Like Tangled works because it makes sense in universe whereas Moana characters make references as if they know other Disney princesses and other Disney movies exist.
Yeah i think that in tangled, it was actually a loving nod to the musical aspects of disney films, since flynn is categorically shown as maintaining this cool uncaring image, and then he takes part in one of the most emotional numbers in the movie entirely voluntarily. It's part of his arc! It's everything after tangled that only sees this front that he puts up and then expects us to agree with it because it's funny and they're missing the whole point
Yeah I totally agree. Flynn is "too cool" for growing emotionally attached to people because deep down the one thing money can't change about him is being alone. That's even why his dream is about being on an island all alone, because he'd rather pretend that's what he really wants instead of admitting he does want home/love/family but doesn't think other people think him of worthy of that. Or he doesn't think he's good enough.
That's the difference (usually) between a script writer doing something and a musician doing something. It's almost like, when musical theatre people joke about musical theatre it's usually funny because we make jokes from place of loving ribbing. But when actors or film people make fun of musicals it comes off as mean because they are usually demeaning the "silliness" of musical theatre.
Your rewrite could even add an extra stab of heartbreak later on in the story after Asha finds out the truth about the wishes and has to go to the wish ceremony. She would have to see the people SHE convinced to move to Rosa's give up their wishes under the guise that it is a positive thing, and she would feel that stab of guilt that she was Magnifico's useful idiot in leading them to give up something so precious, which further motivates her to do something about it
Also it lends the opening number a dark irony upon rewatches. Now that we know that living in Rosas isn't all sunshine and rainbows, there can be a sinister underbelly to all the celebrations that seemed so cheerful on the surface
EXACTLY! And that gives Asha a lot of personal stakes because she wants so desperately to help her people but she realized she was complicit. She was a pawn. And so now she needs to be a leader like her father knew she could be 😭😭😭😭😭
That would have been a really interesting story…instead of what we got.
@@gwenjackson8583 wish in a nutshell
Magnifico's wishes following alchemy rules would not only just make him more interesting, but it would also funny enough fix the issues of so many of the granted wishes being so mundane, because yeah, it makes sense that a more complicated wish like being able to fly or something would require a lot more input to be able to grant, therefore making it more efficient to use wishes like that as fuel for the easier ones.
EXACTLY! They are so superficial because it’s surface level magic in a sense. Maybe once in a while Magnifcio does some really crazy ones, but it takes a LOT of wishes to be crushed for him to do that. That’s why they always need new citizens, so he can have more resources to grant bigger wishes to bring in more citizens… etc LOL
Oooh that would actually be a genius addition to the general lore of alchemy; essentially a mass production metaphor.
How we could promise beautifully, thoughtfully made things and massive improvements to wellbeing for a high price or a lot of patience, or, we can use the resources to make stacks of things that are only just exciting enough take them transactable, maximising the rewards and fees for the service.
In a way, Encanto touches slightly on this: turning gifts given to save an unfortunate family from tragedy and give them a fair chance, to instead please an entire town and create a heirarchy, making their worth about their productivity instead of the inherent value of being a decent person.
I agree! That would’ve made it so much cooler
@@lilpetz500 Yeah now that you bring up the mass production angle I can see why disney didn't want to go with that one nowadays lol. Promising your wildest dreams but only really granting the easiest to produce low resource requirement ones they can get away with? I mean-
Why they needed to possess him with evil magic for him to start doing actually evil and selfish things if they want him to be the bad guy of the story from the start? They could've easily made him consume wishes he deemed not worth granting to keep his magic flowing strongly, that from the getgo would've given Asha a very valid reason to want to stop him xd
16:20 It could've also served as a nudge to The Lion King and how Mufasa says that the kings of the past look down on them from the stars and eventually comes down to speak with him son after his death. It would also make the line in This Wish, "I look up at the stars to guide me", have more meaning. She could believe that her father is watching over her through the stars. The even if Star himself isn't her father, it could've been hinted that he was sent by him.
😭😭😭😭😭😭 this comment has me BAWLING WHY COULDNT THEY DO THIS?!?!
Plus, there’s already the line of “the way you always taught me” in the same song, referring to her father. So having the stars hold this spiritual meaning could make the song about her asking for guidance in a more impactful way. It makes sense that she would look to the stars since they hold a deeper spiritual meaning. And she knows that, especially with the alchemist rewrite angle, her father would never stand for what’s happening to their people.
There are so many amazing things they could’ve done with this story and I think that’s what makes the movie we got so frustrating and awful.
In the greek version instead of this stupid "throw caution at the warning sign" it's that the stars are guiding her. Are the stars her father? Man why did Greek nailed the Wish songs while the English version literally demolished them? How is that even possible?!
"For the record, I'm Italian"
Somehow, this doesn't surprise me.
It’s the talking with my hands isn’t it 😂🤣
@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch That's part of it, yes, but your energy in these videos _scream_ Italian to me.
In che senso è italiana whatttt
Her anger feels very Italian lol
Lol that’s so true because when my family talks about stuff passionately people think we’re yelling but we’re just TALKING LOUDLY (though sometimes we *are* angry 😂🤣)
I DO love how Belle NEVER looks up from reading her book in the song Belle, and yet, she knows to use the sign to block the water from getting Belle and her beautiful book wet. I love that this is my favorite Disney Princess (and movie) and I share both a love of reading books and the ability to walk and read at the same time and not stumble or run into something.
I don’t think the characters can NOT know that they forget their wish when they give it up. I mean that wouldn’t work. The story is at 18 you give up your wish (if you want but everyone does). So you’d have groups of 17/18 year olds mixing (like the story has with Simon) and so how would you explain the 17 year olds going “hey friend. You gave up your wish yesterday. How was it?” Because they’re nervous. The 18 year old would immediately realize they forgot it. It would only work if the wish giving up ceremony was a super secret.
Not only that, it's implied that once you give up your wish, you become lifeless and boring. Yet literally every single adult character does just fine, is full of life, energetic, etc. It makes no sense.
I think it could work in the context of “You can’t tell anyone what you wish for or it won’t come true!” - like that‘s very old Disney. And so other people (like your friends) wouldn’t know what your wish is, and maybe Magnificio could program that to be the default response with magic. Like I think there’s a totally a way for them to not realize they forgot through magic and having some surface level thoughts / default responses planted in there by Magnificio to stop thinking about it.
The thing about people becoming boring though is definitely weird because apparently only Simon is like that, everyone else is fine LOL. But I feel like that should probably have to do with how important your Wish is to your personality. Like the guy who wants to have long hair probably has other hobbies. Whereas Saba’s wish should mess him up because that’s kinda a “core memory” situation imo. But I think they wanted that to be when you become an adult you lose joy and hope and that’s part of growing up, but they just didn’t go for it as a theme. This could be fixed by having people just be complacent instead of being “boring”, like having people seem very agreeable and malleable afterwards.
I love the ideas you propose of how the whole movie could've been rewritten. I've seen a couple of people rewrite the movie or its parts and I'm always thinking "This is so genius! And people who write movies professionally didn't think about this? Seriously?"
Thank you so much! Yeah I sit here wondering how I’m not employed 😂🤣 I want to make a story so badly if someone would just let me!
I feel you! I wish voices of small creators were heard more often... I fear that once I finish writing my story, it's gonna get disregarded for that reason alone TwT But I'm rooting for you!
I am SO glad someone finally mentioned this sounds like a child trying to rhyme. It stuck out to me from the very first time i heard this song and i was surprised no one ever mentioned it!!
writing a song like a child would COULD be an interesting concept, if used in the proper context. But that’s not what’s happening here obviously 😭 wish is just a huge disappointment
Yeah for sure! Like Frozen for example kinda has this in “Do You Wanna Build A Snowman” - you can tell how Anna talks at the beginning Vs the end.
Do you wanna build a snowman?
Come on let's go and play
I never see you any more
Come out the door
It's like you've gone away!
We used to be best buddies
And now we're not
I wish you would tell me why
Do you wanna build a snowman?
It doesn't have to be a snowman!
Compared to
Please, I know you're in there
People are asking where you've been
They say, "Have courage", and I'm trying to
I'm right out here for you
Just let me in
We only have each other
It's just you and me
What are we gonna do?
Do you wanna build a snowman?
Like the rhyme structure is the same but it’s the word choice. “It’s like you’ve gone away!” Or “and now we’re not…” Vs “People are asking where you’ve been… they say have courage” etc. You can tell how they captured how a child speaks Vs an adult. Child Anna is very… blunt almost. Like she just says things that come into her mind as they are but adult Anna is trying to reach Elsa and trying different strategies in a tangible way. She starts with “people are asking about you” and when that doesn’t work she tries to express that Anna is here for her, with whatever she’s feeling.
Welcome to Rosas is trying to be The Family Madrigal so badly. But like you pointed out it’s missing the theme. They heard Mirabelle introducing her family and were like”got it.” They missed that the song is asking what Mirabelle’s power is and ultimately how she fits in with her family. It also sets up the Bruno mystery. You could completely cut out Welcome to Rosas and the movie would be the same. That was kind of the problem with all of the songs.
the family madrigal also sets up the fact that the Madrigals are basically using their powers to work day in day out. You see the mom just feeding people in a line, Louisa is running all over the darn place which sets up surface pressure as well as introducing the entire cast and explaining their powers. it's a very efficient musical number when you think about it.
In Enchanto, the Opening showed us that Maribel was off-tune with the rest of her Family
In Wish, it showed us nothing
Yes! Thank you! The phrase "it's unlikely that you'll be unhappy" is the most nothing lyric I have ever heard in my life! It couldn't have less of an opinion if it tried. XD
It's just the songwriter desperately trying to fill out the line with as many useless syllables as possible just to get it over with and move on to the next one.
It’s so bad 😭😭😭😭😭 not a single crum of a real feeling, just cramming syllables in to sound clever when it’s really cringe
"It's unlikely that you'll be unhappy" kind of feels like the equivalent of taking a hike in a storm, and the guide saying "I'm sure it'll be fine!"
2:52 Videogame loops can tell better stories then "Welcome to Rosas".
So true! Kingdom Hearts would never do this 😭😭😭😭😭😭
1:01:27 I'm not an expert on the field but I do know that the script and dialog/sound design comes first, the animation is modeled after the voice actors's deliveries (look at all the improv Robin Williams did for the genie in Alladin) so my hipothesis is this: They told Julia Mickaels to write the song early in developement and didn't give her the finished script to read, so she worked with what she had which I think was just a vague summary of the general idea, something like "This girl is giving a tour of this city called rosas, she really loves this place, it's got magic, she has a grandfather who is important to the plot so add that and there's this king that the people love"
This is why it’s so insane to me because that’s about what I thought in terms of the process (especially in Lion King too there’s a line that was improv’ed, like the “drag and do the hula” one). But this movie made me doubt whether 3D was like that LMAO.
Yeah I agree with you - I don’t think she got to read the script. And I don’t think she understood what she was allowed to do as the songwriter. Like Howard Ashman wrote the lyrics but he was also a producer for the movies he worked on, he has some level of creative control. Which is ideally how it should be because the script and the songs ARE the story.
@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch It's a shame, really, because you can see poor Julia Michaels struggling to make integral songs to a story without the story
I'm glad you keep going bacb to Belle. It's one of the best disney openings and perhaps one of the best musical openings of all time in my opinion. In just around 5 minutes, it introduces us to our main character and what she wants' the setting and how the main character feels about it and how the people in said setting feels about the main character, and the villein and his motivations. and it does all of this without at all feeling overloaded or like an exposition dump in any way. It sets up the rest of the film perfectly.
EXACTLY. I can't wait to talk about Belle but it's such a long song that I want to make sure I do it justice haha. It may take a couple weeks to script it as opposed to the other videos I do, but it's such a masterful take on the opening number and gives the movie everything it needs to succeed!
51:50 This thing? This thing you said? It genuinely changed my life, I'm not even kidding. I'm autistic myself, and for the last couple years I've been beating myself up for still being so "immature" in my looks and interests. But this story you told put me at ease, I'm feeling so much more confident now. It feels nice to know I can unmask at least partially!
I was on a flight with my mom and aunt where we could watch movies. My aunt, a major Disney fan, switched to a different movie some time after Welcome to Rosas. I don't remember when she switched exactly, but it was before the halfway point. My mom tried to watch Wish later in the flight, but she fell asleep, so she only saw the beginning and end.
That's so hilarious to me. Like you know your movie has issues when your audience is literally trapped in a floating tin can flying through the sky (presumably without internet though I know some people do buy it) and they still aren't retained by the story LOL
I gotta be honest
I had NO idea the movie was supposed to be in Spain/the Mediterranean. I mean I guess the names like 'Magnifico' and 'Rosas' are meant to be the hints, and apparently it was mentioned in the very boring intro that I apparently did not pay enough attention to. I legit just thought it was 'generic fantasy kingdom land'. Contrasted with El Dorado where I definitely knew right away it started in Spain... Perhaps I'm just dumb but it just seems like the film had so little detail and flavor that its location just didn't come across at all.
You know a youtuber is quality when you can watch an hour long video dissecting a single song from a terrible movie and never get bored
Babe wake up new 1 hour video to put while doing art dropped
I LOVE IT WHEN YOU GUYS TELL ME YOU’RE DRAWING TO MY VIDEOS please tag me in your art if you post it on Twitter! (Even if it’s not like… related to the video I just wanna see lol)
@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch will make a twitter accout just for you Calxiyn I swear
Hah i do that too
1 hour video to play minecraft to 🗣️‼️
Omg I just got back into playing Minecraft again but I'm a boomer so I'm playing 1.7.4 lol. I've been listening to soooo many videos playing Minecraft so I love that y'all are doing that for mine!
Its really weird, but i feel like they wanted Magnifico to be like Preminger from the Princess and the Pauper.
Both are self absorbed and think quickly
They also both already have power, but their arcs focus on them getting more power in the monarchy.
The big difference is that Preminger is consistant. He isnt given a sob backstory, he just consistantly works with the cards he has, and he almost won, being defeted by the protagonists being a bit smarter.
Magnifico was givin a tragic backstory, originally made to look like a reasonable adult, then he gets possessed and beaten with the power of music. Thats it.
"He guards us with his life,
I wish I was his wife" could be used by Asha to transition into talking about how the Queen wanders through town to help whoever needs it so that 1, we learn about both rulers 2, so that way the joke actually has a purpose in the song other than being funny, and 3, if you follow the belief that the king and queen should've been an evil duo this could set up how their manipulating the town into giving up their wishes.
This is a fascinating deconstruction, i could never really pinpoint why the verses felt off, besides the fact that the lyrics felt awkward, this really hits the nail on the head.
Fun thing you mention you are Italian, because I'm Spanish (spiniard, I guess) and I felt much more conected to the Luca wich happens in Italy than Wish. There is stuff that the small costal town with dumb competition, gossipy old ladies and how you can see how it's slowly becoming more than that (there is a mention about how there's been more boats in the sea) that feels very close to home as someone who also lives in a costal town in the Mediterrenean. With Wish... I guess they dance with castañuelas once...
I LOVED LUCA!!! I know Pixar doesn’t = Disney but still. It’s so jarring to see how well they captured Italy and that feeling of a small town but with this movie they fumbled the bag
The song has so many "and" and that's so anoying and just irritating and they just don't fit and the song would be better without them and seems so obvious and you'd think they would've noticed
Exactly! Why does every other sentence need to start on a filler word when in a song that’s sort of implied??? Like in Hunchback when Quasimodo says “And out there living in the sun” it’s like “And Out THERE is where I can get the thing that I want”. It’s for a dramatic purpose.
He doesn’t say:
Out there among the millers and the weavers and their wives
And through the roofs and gables I can see them
And every day they shout and scold and go about their lives
Because that would be silly. In a song the continuation of a sentence is implied 😂😂😂
The whole film is like that. What kind of line is "I'm past dipping my toes in but I'm not no I'm not past diving in"? Aside from being unbelievably awkward, it reeks of repeating words pointlessly just to fill out the amount of syllables to get to the end of the stanza.
You hit the nail on the head pointing out that this song is fundamentally broken; there’s absolutely no fixing it and attempts to do so are like putting a bandaid over a decapitation
Yeah exactly! Though I do admire the changes that my peers in this space have made (like lots of other music RUclipsrs have suggested rewrites) but this song can’t simply be rewritten in my eyes, we need to overhaul the entire structure. It’s like gutting a bathroom that has mold you know LOL
I'm not a proffessional animator either but I have made many animatics in my time. I would imagine that normally concept art comes first, then music and lyrics, then animatic, then final refining for the music, then the final animation. That's how I imagine it would happen.
Graduating with a degree in 2D animation. You're pretty close. Concept art, music/lyrics, and early story is actually more of a simultaneous thing. Like everyone is working on their particular part at the same time. Usually when you're at storyboarding (which an animatic is just a storyboard in a video form), you have a good idea of where you are going, but some of the specifics may not be all there yet. Like, sometimes designs will still change a bit, some songs may get cut or changed still, and some story beats and scenes may still change. However, you are right that by the time you're getting to actual animation, most of these are nearly finished. So by this point, the music should be have some finished recordings, but some may still be in the recording process. Because yeah, not all scenes are worked in the order you see them in, and many of them are worked at the same time, but not all. So how much is exactly done can vary based on the actual production scheduling.
@@AppleStrawberryLove WEEEEEEEEEE! I'm so proud of you for graduating and following your dreams! I really wanted to go to college for animation but I was too broke so I've been teaching it to myself while I work on an accounting degree as a safety net if RUclips doesn't pan out
I will compare others kingdoms or locations with Rosas. Here is a short list:
- Lilo's island (I forgot the name!) It's big, colorful, the houses are pretty; looks fun to explore and learn Hula 🙂
- Agrabah; It's big, there's a lot of stuff to do; visit the castle, buy food at the market, see the fire breathers.
- Jim adn Sarah hawkins's home; It's welcoming and beautiful, the food seams tasty, changing the windows could be fun, there's aliens to meet and at night, there's a party.
Rosas; People have long hair or can dance.... that's it! It doesn't look really fun or magical 😐
This kingdom looks so boring compare to the others!
'Lilo's island'? That's not a fictional location they made up, she just lives on Kauaʻi 😭 Don't give them credit for a real place
Corona (yes that's what the kingdom from tangled is called): I'd love to see the lantern festival it looks so magical and the kingdom dance sequence does a great job at making the town seem so full of life and excitement. With kids playing in the streets, stalls and street musicians abound, a nice library, some wonderful murals, those purple sun flags everywhere it looks wonderful.
The Encanto: it's small but lively and even ignoring the magical family and casita the colourful buildings and plants almost seamlessly merging with parts of the city would make for a fun location to visit.
You know how Siri and similar AI voices have an awkward way of saying words? That's what these songs sound like. They stress the wrong syllables and when placed in a sentence together, it sounds awkward and clunky
The choice of music writers is even more confusing because like, Lin? Like did his contract run out and he didn't want to renew it or something? Why would they not bring in the guy that made the beloved music for Moana, and Encanto which is based off a similar culture, for such an important movie?
They wanted a pop song writer because they wanted to "appeal to the youth". They didn't care about making a good film. They just wanted to make a bankable one.
Unfortunately he is currently being wasted on the Disney remakes. He was likely working on Little Mermaid at the time, and his next project is that Mufasa CGI thing...
Honestly even if not Lin there are so many talented broadway songwriters that could have done something! I’m sure there’s someone Lin could have even referred to them! But yeah as the other comments said he was working on Disney’s other live action things for some reason LOL
Or better yet, get Anderson-Lopez back. She and Robert made some absolutely _incredible_ show tunes in Frozen that just so happened to appeal to a pop-consuming audience. Sadly, it sounds like they're hiring _more_ pop writers with little to no musical experience for Moana 2, which makes me think Moana 2's soundtrack will *not* be very good.
My problem with Wish is that I got dystopian vibes right from the first number. From the beginning, Asha seemed to be brainwashed and employed in brainwashing visitors
"Welcome to Rosas! Everything is fine here and the flowers are blooming!" Visitor: "but but that sounds horrib.." Asha: "No! everything is FINE! let me gaslight you..."
I would willingly listen to "Love Is an Open Door" on repeat before listening to "Welcome to Rosas" a 3rd time.
Every animation has a different pipeline, the pipeline has to conform with the tools and style used in the production and every animation has a different combination of tools and styles. HOWEVER, the sound HAS TO BE MADE BEFORE THE ANIMATION, because the step BEFORE animation in the pipeline is ALWAYS the animatic, and animatics NEED TO HAVE SOUND. Sometimes they make a "step" audio (like the animators reading the script out loud instead of the voice actors) so the animatic can be made before the official sound is ready, but it has to be extremely similar to the official one because if they don't match they'll need to reanimate the scene and this is expensive. So I'm like 95% sure that the song lyrics were ALREADY finished when they started the animation. The problem here wasn't the communication wall between the animators and song writers, but between song writers and script writers. The script writers just send a very simplified list of topics of what they planned to do with the script to the song writers, expecting that both the lyrics and the script could be made almost independently of each other, when in reality they should both be writed and planned TOGHETER. When the song writers tried to reach out the script writers were like "you have all you need to do this, we've already send you the bullet points list" and that's why the song lyrics don't match exactly with the story. The boringness of the visuals during the musical parts is fault of the story boarders. Storyboard is the spine of the animation process and will make our break a project.
Yeah I totally agree with you. The script writers and the songwriters should have equal say in the story because they are the ones TELLING the story. I mentioned this to someone else but Howard Ashman (on The Little Mermaid and I think Beauty and the Beast as well) was a producer, so he had some creative say.
I don’t even blame the storyboarders either because how were they really supposed to make “You wanna dance on beat?” Interesting? So in a sense it does come back to the lyrics. They definitely could have made some of the visuals more exciting but the lyrics are just inherently unexciting. And the script writers should have gave her the script to read and insert songs into like Howard Ashman would do, instead it does really feel like they gave her a summary of what they wanted but no deeper context.
I don’t think this movie could have ever been a masterpiece with her writing but it could have been at least a solid 6/10 or something 😭😭😭😭
Best way to start my morning, love the rewrite i got emotional when you were talking about Asha's father and Magnifico "we will he the ones that decide whose dreams get crushed" is such a hard hitting line
Awwwwww I’m so glad to hear this 😭😭😭😭 both that I made your morning and made you emotional. I’m glad I can make you guys care about the rewrite in my mind 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹
Dam, the Magnifico should be an alchemist part is actually quite brilliant. Love the drama and metaphored that would create!
Thank you so much! I’d love to rewrite the whole story sometime!
Something that's been bothering me is the complete miss on not using/updating Cinderella's "A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes". They 100% could've had Asha's grandfather sing it to her to inspire her because her grandfather's wish was to sing/write songs that inspire the next generation. It's a wonderful reference and thematically appropriate
It's crazy because the end credit song feels like a spiritual successor to that Cinderella song, allegedly it's the song that Julia Michaels pitched to get this job.... and then they CUT IT FROM THE MOVIE!!!! WHEN THE SONG THAT SHE WROTE (A WISH WORTH MAKING) IS LITERALLY THE THESIS OF THE ENTIRE MOVIE! And her grandfather was supposed to sing it! I'm so mad about it still LOL
Sooo...Wish is basically Disneys Cats(2019)? I haven't seen it yet but I'm dying to after watching the critiques on Facebook
I really love the rewritten idea that her father worked closely with Magnifico, and that nobody knows their wishes get forgotten , especially with the damage being gradual
It'd add so much to the story and fix the confusing juxtaposition of "everyone in roses is happy, healthy, living here for free, with a magical king" and "I make this wish to have something more for us than this"
Making Asha a rookie alchemist is such a fun take that could seriously spice up her design. Imo her design is kinda... flat? Especially for a movie about Wishes! Her hair could be partially braided but the back is wild and curly kinda like a puff of smoke from a potion! It could also be more dynamic for fun animation!
Thank you so much! Yeah, I really like that idea of her having braids that lead into a bun and the bun is her natural hair / not braided, it's a really fun idea!
that’s one of the very first problems I had when I watched this for the first time. The song wants to be like Belle and include the hustle and bustle, but this song and the tempo just stays the same. Nothing really happens and you don’t really get anything out of it. Also I find it so funny that a Barbie movie with not the best cgi that was made years ago has much superior songwriting and composing then current day Disney. You’d think they hire the best of the best, not the best of top 40 radio hits. 🤷♀️ Loved this video. Also your ideas to make Rosas more magical are so good!! How is Disney fumbling the use of fantasy/magic this bad?? Omg!! Everything is so bland! Please more song deep dives 🙏 Ur my fav for this
Thank you so much! I absolutely plan to make more, for Wish and for the good Disney songs 😂🤣 I REALLY want to talk about Belle now but it’s a 5 minute song so I may need some extra time to script. I’m glad you enjoyed it, stay tuned! 🥰🥰
The spirits in the sky also makes me think of Brother Bear.
Maybe the city looking so boring and desaturated isnt a reflection of magnifico's rule but a reflection mental health of the animators 🤔
But for real, have you seen the interview with one of the animators (i believe he was an animator) talking about the process? He looks so over it. Ive been trying to find it again but it got burried.
Oh no 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I’ll have to look into it
I might be incorrect, but star boy was ‘supposed’ to be Asha’s soulmate, and romantic love interest. I’ve never heard about him being her father.
If you pause where I showed the picture basically it says they played around with the idea of “Starman” being Saba in a previous version where he was dead instead of her father. Then maybe changed it to her father(?) after they killed the father instead. There was another one that looks like a woman more like a classic fairy god mother and then they got to Starboy. And then scrapped that too LOL. So basically they didn’t know what they wanted, really. But yeah I believe you’re right and the LAST one was Starboy as the love interest. The Peter Pan looking Starboy is the love interest but the more “man” looking star character was supposed to be younger Saba.
@@CalxiynCaresTooMuchah, ok. Thanks for responding! I feel like having it be the dad would’ve been really weird.
Lol no problem and yeah don’t worry they were separate ideas!
10:43 😂😂 STOP MAKEING ME FROGET HOW TO BREETH IM DIEING OVER HERE
😂🤣 I’m glad to know you guys laugh!!
Oh I'm so glad you made another one of these! I love your musical insights!
“Belle” is a masterpiece in openings cuz it not only tells you who Belle is, it tells you what people think of her, it tells you about the setting, it tells you about Gaston and the conflict that’s going to arise, it foreshadows stuff for later, etc
It’s a masterclass of storytelling and musical technique and has stuck with me for years
Whereas Wish is…well yknow
46:43 - When I think of Tangled, do you know what I think of? _Sunlight._ The warm summer sun peeking through the windows of Rapunzel's room, how it makes her skin, her hair, the grass glow with a radiance unmatched by any magic spell. It's thematically appropriate given all the solar imagery in the Kingdom of Corona, especially considering she's their missing princess; Rapunzel herself is warm, kind, comparable to a fair summer's day. (Mother Gothel in turn is the shadow of the night, a gaunt figure cloaked in dark colors who hides the truth from her stolen prize.)
Despite its Mediterranean setting, Rosas lacks _any_ of that sunlit warmth. It's _cold_ and _blue_ and _sad._
EXACTLY. I love it when the setting does not only have just... logical relevance but also thematic relevance! The Kingdom of Corona and how it looks is a physical manifestation of the conflict of the movie - Rapunzel wanting to step into the light and Mother Gothel keeping her locked up in the darkness. It's similar to Beauty and the Beast with the idea of how the Beast's Castle changes over time as his heart changes!
It’s insane they couldn’t think of a theme or story for their anniversary movie when anything about creativity being a worthy endeavor is literally right there. I know it’s only kinda related what you were going for but just as a company, it was some low hanging fruit to do something focused on art itself
I would love for someone to actually write lyrics for your proposed rewrite, because it sounds so much cooler than what we actually got!
I would love to do it myself one day, it would just be complicated cause my rewrites tend to purpose whole new musical sections and I’d need to pay someone 😂 maybe if I get sponsorships someday that would help pay for a composer to help!
They shouldn’t have done the book opining if they were gonna do the song opening, stick with one.
Yeah exactly. The reason why this works in Beauty and the Beast is because the opening narration is about the Beast while the opening is about Belle. Or in the really old Disney movies with the storybook, like Cinderella, it’s more of a prologue song that establishes where we’re going while the opening credits of the movie roll. They don’t need a story book opening about Magnificio & Rosas… and a song about the same thing. They could have kept the storybook if they made this opening about Asha instead.
Your commentary is very insightful and expressive. I usually put long vids like this in the background as a sort of podcast while I do other things, but I kept having to glance to the screen because I was so engaged in what you were saying. Awesome!!!
Thank you so much! That's exactly what I hope for - like I love hearing that people throw on my videos when they're drawing or cooking or something but something happens for them to look every now and then XD I hope you'll enjoy future and past content as well!
At this point, you're just doing Disney's job for them!😂 Love the videos, you're analyses of music also provides great storytelling advice!
Thank you so much! I really need a job LMAOOOOOOOO
One hour calxiyn video!!!!
I'M SO GLAD YOU GUYS GET EXCITED WHEN I UPLOAD LONG VIDEOS I was worried this was too long LOL
I love your videos so much!! They give me a new perspective on how song writing processes should work and all the thought that goes into a lot of musical theatre songs!!! Most people, when criticizing Wish especially, just focus on one or two things that are not that great, but you cover everything! I just subscribed, and I hope you will be able to pursue yt full time because I enjoy your videos a lot! 😊😊💙
Wow! I just checked and you only have 3.62k subscribers! I thought you would have way more because your production value is so high!!
🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹😭 Thank you so much. I really appreciate it! Comments like this are so special to me, I hope one day I can share my videos with millions of people!
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A broadway musician saved them from bankruptcy and another broadway musician has made arguably the best songs for Disney in the last decade... at least twice over.
this was very informative, i loved your energy throughout! i was listening to this while drawing, but i will definitely be rewatching this again to understand more on how to avoid these mistakes in my own songwriting and storytelling! ❤
51:51 I don't know why but wow this part of the video about the themes on society's expectations and how it's portrayed in earlier disney movies really spoke to me. It just goes to show that back then Disney did know how to write protagonists who are outcasts and different without actually have to go the "quirky adorkable route", showing their struggles with the stereotypes or social stigma, maybe that's why autistic ppl like us can relate more to the protagonists from the older movies rather than Asha for example lol
Why this video so darn entertaining ? I just discovered your channel and I'm blown away with the quality, you are very fun and talented.
I know the similarities between Welcome To Rosas and The Family Madrigal have been commented on a lot with respect to the music but I'm always struck by the differences in the wishes/gifts revealed in the songs. The gifts developed by the members of the family Madrigal appear to be more-or-less random, maybe vaguely based on the person's personality but definitely not consciously chosen by anyone/anything. Yet they're so much more interesting and dynamic than the wishes in Wish, especially the ones shown in Welcome to Roses, even though you'd think that someone's deliberate choice of what they're wishing for would utilize all the creativity and imagination inherent to the human spirit. And in fact the whole idea that someone's wishes are the bestest, beautifulest, most important part of themselves kind of relies on it. Yet you're telling me some people's "most beautiful part of themselves" is... wanting long hair? Wanting to dance on beat? As compared to, say, a kid who's mentioned once in passing as being "an animal guy" who gets to communicate with & befriend any animal?
I know there's the setup for a possible explanation for the wishes being so lackluster but the movie doesn't actually provide it. I'm guessing back in the drafts when Magnifico was just straight-up evil he probably purposely only granted wishes that were kind of petty and small in scope, so that he wouldn't inadvertently grant a wish powerful enough to threaten himself. But that needed to change when they made him good and had him grant wishes that were good for Rosas (and just couldn't pose a potential threat)- because how is growing long hair "good" for Rosas? It's apparently not a potential threat as far as Magnifico can see but it's not actually "good" for the kingdom either. The guy's not harvesting his super-growing hair to make wigs for cancer patients and soak up oil spills in the ocean, etc. Maybe they could spin it as Magnifico only granting relatively small wishes to make sure nothing too powerful was granted as a safety measure but Sabo's wish was small potatoes too, so even that doesn't fit. Idk, maybe they had already finished this scene before they switched Magnifico from being evil so it made sense at the time or something. As it stands, it completely undermines the theme and importance of wishes when all the wishes we see are underwhelming af. Maybe that's why all the secrecy- Magnifico doesn't want anyone to know his kingdom is filled with a bunch of basic bitches.
I originally was just going to write an "omg an hour long video!" comment because I didn't think I had much to say besides agree with everything you were talking about - spot-on analysis as always! - but like you were saying, I am super curious as to how they even started this movie. Because normally, from what I've seen in other Disney movies, it's figure out what you want to make, create concept art, write the first draft, create the music, then start the animation, and after that it's just refining everything down until you have your movie. Like how did they get the steps so backwards??? This was so clearly just an anniversary movie first and a story second, which is the worst way to start a project, and it's so frustrating to see.
Honestly thank goodness Calxiyn cares this much. Love hearing an experienced & considerate perspective on the musical quality of this (and most) musicals
Awwww thank you so much!! I'm glad to hear that you guys care as much as I do 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹
i got so many videos about wish in my recs, haha. I've learned so much about music and writing, and i really liked your ideas about small changes to the story or different lyrics.
One thing that came to my mind: did you check out the italian versions of the songs? i listened to the german version of "knowing what i know now" (bc i love the instrumentals), and i felt like even the german lyrics sounded unrythmic and had weird emphasis on the syllables. maybe that could be something to compare?
anyway, thanks for the video, will be checking out your other stuff :)
That tends to happen with translating songs in other languages because some languages needs more syllables for words than others. But I think how Wish was written probably doesn’t help a process that is already complicated 😭😭😭
Why was Asha so surprised and disappointed that most of the wishes won’t be granted, whe she herself said that he grants them once a month, and there are several hundred wishes above her and more people arriving every day?
Random question, have you heard of Star Darlings? It's another Disney property that involves granting wishes, a specifically people from another planet coming to earth to grant wishes.
Wish literally isn't even unique among Disney Properties in terms of concept.
About that last bit: writing and songwriting almost definitely come before any major animation process with a studio as big as disney. songs can be written and scrapped while animation is still in the storyboarding, animatic or even rough animation stage. There's a scrapped song from the emperor's new groove that's like this, where only a couple of storyboards and animation roughs survived, but a full and complete recording of the song was made before it was scrapped due to the whole story being changed around. The final movie isn't even a musical.
So for wish a lot of the story and songwriting choices came before making any major animation decisions besides a lot of concept art and maybe some animation tests. The storytellers and songwriters often work closely together with concept artists and lead animators and such, so before any major sets were fully 3D modeled much of the story and setting would have already been there. If it sucks, I wouldn't blame it on the animators.
"OH MY G-D WE GAVE ASHA A CHARACTER!"
😂 I’m glad I can make you guys laugh
It was supposed to be Spain? With all the different races and no recognizable cultural architecture or customs, I just assumed it was a completely fantasy country.
Love your videos! And this is one of the best so far! Great job.
Awwwwww thank you so much!!! I’m so glad to hear it! 🥰
The only part i like is during the song the camera zooms out of the chalk drawing of magnifcos face, after which the entire screen turns blindingly white. This subliminally references pain, to foreshadow his villainy.
excellent video to watch as i speedrun last minute artfight prep
It makes me so happy when you guys tell me that you’re watching my videos & making art. Please show me the art when it’s done!!
so this video is amazing and very informative, thank you for that! but i am distracted by how lovely your hair is
Awwwww thank you so much!
Something tells me that your example of a story being a potential performer being rejected after an audition despite their efforts is about you. In that case, I still wish you the best of luck.
I actually hate ‘you can turn all your wanting to wishing’ because the whole thing of Rosas is that people give up their one wish! They have no wishes! Something like ‘here we want/wish for nothing’ would make so much more thematic sense imo, sounding like a good thing at first, but actually foreshadowing that people’s wishes are taken away
I so agree about Rosas being dull and un-magical tho. I think disney may have written themselves into a corner there, because if people WERE getting actually fantastical wishes granted, the whole ‘we don’t need magnifico’s magic, we can grant our own wishes’ thing wouldn’t work anymore, and defeating magnifico would mean making Rosas permanently less magical- pretty hard to sell as a happy ending
OHhhhh that's a REALLY nice double meaning. I wish I thought of that! Like the "We wish for nothing" seems like they have everything they could ever need but they literally wish for nothing because they don't remember, it's CRAZY.
Re: Disney writing themselves into a corner, I think the thing is Asha having a magic wand calls that into question anyway. Like, the message they should have been trying to go for is that everyone has a little bit of magic inside of them (That Asha had magic all along vs getting it from Star) and the fairy godmother / the star spirit people help to bring it out. Even in Cinderella, when she has her transformation the fairy godmother said it's because of her heart and her strength of will. If they worked on the Starboy concept a little bit more I think the idea of Starboy could have theoretically fixed it basically, but by getting rid of that concept they hurt themselves when it came to that ending.
I have no idea how they go from this super interesting story that you can see in all their concepts to. This. What was this movie. Who at the studio decided "nah I want a boring, plain movie. Scrap all these concepts and strip it to its most bare minimum. Yeah this is a good movie :)"
The concept sketches I keep seeing about this movie is a whole movie in itself that just got SCRAPPED. This movie is not the same movie as those concepts
To me, Welcome to Rosas so clearly only existed/was structured the way it was because they were trying to create Wish's version of The Family Madrigal that I literally forgot about the structure of musicals and I literally winced at the idea of putting it up against a banger like Belle!
It's still an unfair comparison, the expansive structural kick-flip of, "We told you we couldn't cut Part of Your World AND WE WERE RIGHT" vs "I dunno, she can give a tour because Mirabel did, I guess," but MAN am I not grading it on that curve anymore, and YIKES.
Guys I need movie musical or animated movie musical opening song scenes that have giant dance numbers cause I need that to be more common in movie musicals I feel like enchanted does it well but I need moreeeeee
I describe this movie as a celebration of the corporations. Every artistic, acting, writing and musical talent went into making this nightmare of a movie possible. This story is what happens when corporations force art for profit. Every interesting decision was cut because it was probably "too expensive" and took "too long". They have no interest in wasting money on new IPs when they have some of the most famous names in entertainment. Hell they no longer have to put effort into anything anymore, and basically are screwing over everyone who works for them.
Encanto could have absolutely passed as Disney's centennial anniversary movie if it came out just a little later. Wish is a jumbled disaster.
man... A shame that literally every single alternate story suggestion sounds better than the movie we got.
What’s really funny about Welcome to Rosas is the fact that despite listening to it so many times I literally can’t remember the tune. Compare that to Belle, which is ingrained in my mind despite not listening to it for years.
LMAO, that’s so real. Even after listening to it 100 times for this video I can only remember “Here! In the city of Rosas!” LOL
In answer to your question as to how the animation production pipeline works as a soon to be graduating animation major (literally, next month!!!!!!), music and design are supposed to be started back in pre-production. So in pre-production, you start making the music, creating the setting (from the storyline to the backgrounds), designing all the parts (characters, sets, props, etc.), determining the art style, and finally, you begin the storyboarding process. Usually, the music isn't quite done for the storyboards, but by the time the real animation starts, you should be having set in stone concepts for the music. For animation, storyboarding is like blocking in theatre. However, because you're making everything up, you need the storyboard to help determine if your early background designs work for this piece, where and how you're going to animate the character's movement/incorporate the sound design, and all the rest. Additionally, to animate, the preference for it is the final singing track to ensure you get the right lip sync (same with speaking). Not just that but if you're animating little reaction sounds from the track in, then you need to time those to the right frame (which ironically may not be the frame when the sound starts but actually before it starts). So by the time you're at the actual animating stage, a lot of your music and story should ideally be pretty much done or you're working on polishing the last bits. It's why it's so rare to see a nearly completed sequence get cut from animated films. You usually have early storyboards in the "deleted scene" sections of bonus features. Now that said, because we don't necessarily work on the first scene first, you may not have all the music done. You may have some of the tracks completed but not all. But it should be entering the "wrap up" stage at this point to ensure you don't have to rework stuff later. So essentially, if your song mentions soaring on a field of butterflies and that was in the storyboard as a visual piece, you should have made that asset by the time you're animating.
Thank you so much! With this information in mind I truly wonder where the communication breakdown happened because even though Julia Michael's lyrics aren't great, they could have in theory made some of the stuff she talks about (like the greatest creations all on display) etc. So I guess based on what you said that would have been a storyboarding issue? I feel like there's something fishy about the whole situation, I wonder if people will ever speak out about the production on the movie because it feels like there was some sort of restriction.
I also heard they didn't have the script done before they asked Julia Michaels to write the songs so that may explain some things as well. I mean ultimately I never blame the individual people working on the movie cause they're just doing their job - it's the higher ups who sign off on stuff, surely it should be the directors job or someone even higher than that to be like "this isn't really conveying things like how I want it to, let's add this" earlier in the process. Maybe the script went through so many rewrites stuff started to get squishy for the 100th anniversary release :/ it honestly makes me sad.
@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch From what has come out, lots of the issues were partly due to upper management interference. The other thing to remember with most animated films from the Disney Renaissance in particular is that the songwriters were much more heavily involved in every aspect of the pre-production. But with Wish, they did not give her a finished story and they basically went "You get three weeks to write it and then we'll record and we move on." Not to mention how rushed this film was. They began it in 2018. They didn't start even writing the music until 2021. They released it in 2023. Most animated films take YEARS to make. For instance, Tangled was in the works from 2001. They didn't even cast the actors until 2009. Now, to be fair, Tangled had a bit of a rocky start to its production as it went through several different treatments which is why its pre-production was closer to 8 years. Encanto went into production around 2016 and Miranda was working on it from the beginning. I don't have an exact date for when the cast was set, but based off the some of the other dates, likely it was sometime around 2019 or 2020. Even if you go with the earliest date, that's three years of work Miranda had put in. If you go with the latest, that's close to 4 years of pre-production to get the story cohesive and the songwriting planned out. And he didn't dip after the music was done because he was also involved with story. Compared to Wish's... three weeks late in pre-production when they were clearly already struggling to figure out the plot still. For instance, rumor is "At All Costs" was meant to be more of a love ballad. Not to the wishes, but for Asha and possibly Star Boy. Which is why it sounds so weird in the film's actual context. "I'm sorry, sir, are you singing to the wishes or to the 17 year old girl?" "The wishes." I like to listen to Disney soundtracks before the film. Legit, I thought At All Costs was a love song before I saw the film. Also, I thought "I'm a Star" was the closing credit song. My horror when it was mid film had me yelling at the TV. (Yes, I will argue that placing that song at that point was a legitimate plot issue that kills the momentum the film had going because its tone is all wrong and gear the audience to feel like the film is over, not just reaching the end of its first act.)
So in short: Wish didn't get the amount of pre-production time it needed. That's why everything doesn't work. Based off the script and the meddling, honestly, I think Wish realistically should have had a timeline like Tangled of close to a decade worth of pre-production. Instead, they got a couple years in which they shortchanged everyone's timelines. Sadly, like most films that struggle like this and are rushed out despite that, you can tell. Everything feels like a first draft even though realistically, we're probably looking at something several iterations down. I don't think it's the workers' fault. I think this comes down to corporate wanted this for the anniversary, meddled in the production, and ignored all the red flags that this needed more time to come together because anniversary deadline. Like, they originally wanted it to be 2D and started production in 2018. For 2D, that is a steep timeline. Not impossible. But definitely pushing it. It could have probably been a good film if the upper management had just acknowledged that the issues, stopped interfering, and even delayed the film. Come up with a new strategy. Maybe release a short film only as a tribute to Disney's earliest works. But instead, they kept going. I've had to learn in my own schooling that sometimes, you just gotta acknowledge that you bit off too much for a project. The way to fix it isn't to just keep going. It's to stop for reassessing.
Hi can you make a song from tangled the series analysis video maybe ready as ill ever be or waiting in the wings .... Plsssssssssssss plus second comment😁😁😁
I would love to! It's definitely on the list, I love the songs from the series! In my last Hazbin Hotel video I did briefly reference Nothing Left To Lose hehe
Thank you for considering and omg !!! I've never had a RUclipsr comment on my reply thank you 🥰🥰🥰. Btw great video
this is truly as incensed i get when i talk about the music of wish. i feel rage consume me.
You have found the right place!!
Whenever I think about this song-all I can think about is O-boy’s rewrite. “C’mon you little sh**s I don’t got all day” 😂😂
I wish some artist would do a animatic of this
Okay, but the mention of the Swan Lake CD rom unlocked a memory.
I love when you guys get my niche references LOL
I thought the "normality" of the city and the mundane wishes were a sign of the control of Magnifico. Like he wouldn't let "dangerous" wishes become true
I don't understand why they didn't use "No what-ifs and no wondering", if they weren't going to do a perfect rhyme anyway.
your new story for this makes me want to draw! your imagination is brilliant!!!!
i also wonder why they made a film set in spain and decided the colour palette should be purple (which as you said looks grey lol)
Awwwwww thank you so much! I’ll post this just as a blanket statement for anyone who wants to - anyone can feel free to draw / use any of the ideas I mentioned in the video, I love to see when people are inspired by something I say! 🥹🥹🥹🥹
Yeah I wonder about that too. There’s this beautiful concept art of Asha in a bright orange dress and I think it looks so pretty 😭😭
What Disney musical/movie do you think was the best on a technical level? I want a good example to look at that’s not a Barbie movie bc I never watched those as a kid
As an "easy to understand why it's the best on a technical level" I'd pick Beauty and the Beast or Hunchback of Notre Dame for sure. I think both movies are masterpieces but I also think they are very accessible in terms of figuring out why they are successful at executing their objectives. I want to make individual song analysis' for all the songs in those movies so stay tuned for things that are not Barbie haha XD
The tiki room has singing flowers and birds! Why couldn’t wish have that? Wish couldve had José join in for a couple lyrics and meet the other tiki room birds in the background, that would be a fun easter egg
Ahhhhh I’ve never been to the Tiki room, that sounds fun! 🥹🥹🥹
@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch it’s my favorite Disney attraction to just chill at, i can watch it so many times without getting bored
I even have a funko pop of José (one of the 4 main birds)
love the little story at 51:51