ESP Guitars: Adjusting Bridge "Float" Angle on a Floyd Rose
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- In this very detailed Tech Corner video, ESP's VP of product development and highly-experienced guitar tech Todd Binder walks you through the entire process of setting up the "float" angle of a Floyd Rose bridge, including adjusting the spring tension. This is the third episode of Todd's Tech Corner about proper setup of a Floyd Rose. Be sure to watch the first two episodes, as well as the upcoming fourth episode on adjusting string height. All of our "Tech Corner" videos can be found at www.espguitars.com/videos?cate...
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This was really good, I changed string gauge and I had no idea I need to do so much adjustments. Thanks for helping figuring things out
ditto! Helpful!
Tip: *Always tune UP, to a note, not down* If you must tune down, go past the desired note, then tune it back up to pitch...
Why is that? Just curious
@@axelmerighi I want to start with saying that goes for any guitar. When you tune down the tuner loses a bit of tension, -regardless if equipped with a floyd or maybe a hardtail- and it can get flat really quickly. When you tune it back down and then up again the tuner gets a tighter grip on the string and it will probably stay in tune for longer ;)
@@axelmerighi Think of it as cinching up a rope... it's better to have tension on the string rather than them slipping.
Funny that you all say that,
was watching an Eric Johnson instructional DVD recently and he said the same thing!
@@RFWMusic 👍 now if I could just play like Eric 😃
These videos are great! Just bought my first FR after 23 years of playing, and these save me all the trouble! Thank you!
I just pulled out my old Kramer with a FL. I used to use 8s when I first got it but have been using hybrid slinkys on my strat for decades. I put some of those on there and the bridge was raised like crazy. I did as shown, lowered the bridge and is now proper. No more high action lol.
Thx so much for this video!!!
Excellent demonstration, Very detailed easy to understand. with the help of this video im 15 and can adjust the bridge on my floyd guitar 🤘🤘🔥🔥
it really helps thanks to you Todd and ESP
Thank you!!! Finally I found out what is the parallel bridge. Everywhere I heard "be surw that your bridge is parallel to the body" and nobody showed what does it mean... THANK YOU!
This is much accurate solution i'd ever had since i had a floyd rose today! God bless
This helped A LOT, I used to struggle hitting the right notes because my Floyd Rose kept the strings too high above the fretboard. Thanks. 🙏
I got my Jackson into Eb now! Thank you! Time to get to some Ozzy, VH, and Slayer!
Exactly what I needed . Thanks . Floyd rose has a few fine tunes
awesome this sure helped now i can do this to my Fender floyed Rose i was really confused on how to get it to tune back after putting new string on my guitar but this sure saved me thanks
This video is very handsome because now I finally know how to work with a floyd rose bridge... 😁
i'm sure he meant handy. autocorrect strikes again?
Finally, i have one that is waiting to get fixed for centuries
You rock . I only start to understand the mechanism when hearing you thank u very much for simple explanation
This is a P.S.A. for Rock and Rollers!!!🎸Thanks dude.
I love the finish on that LTD. My 1001FM is my favorite guitar that I own.
That was wonderful. Really helped me a lot. Thanx. Cheers 👍🏻
Finally, i can play my guitar again. Thank you!
I always use a wooden block that fits between the Floyd in the back and the inside of the guitar body, tune your guitar and then adjust the trem claw until the wooden block just becomes free.. remove it and your trem is set up! One slight caveat is that to get the trem perfectly level will require a certain size bit of wood, different guitars might need different size bits of wood
I tried this today while setting the whole thing up. You can improvise: use coins, business cards, anything you can add/remove height to easily.
Unfortunately I don’t know what I did wrong, I kept tightening the claw screws to get the block to fall off, but the screws wouldn’t tighten anymore... sure enough, I removed the block and it went out of tune again.
100 the better way and saves keep adjusting the strings as they pull each other out of tune ,the problems on the video had nothing to do with new strings it is just how a floating bridge works as you tune each string to pitch it lowers the pitch on the others ,blocking the trem stops that and also gets you where you want to be a lot faster
@@159Fender159 You loosen the spring claw to allow the block to fall away not tighten it unless of course you blocked it incorrectly at the wrong side of the sustain block
@@159Fender159 It seems you inserted the block in the wrong side. You have to block the Bridge for no up-action , It shall still dive-bomb.
This also works very well with the Strat-type tremolos,too.
Spot on information without fluff, cussing and overall stupid stuff mixed in. Thanks for shooting straight!!
5:49 On my guitars,at that point, I’ll start stretching the strings, divebombing & working the crap out of the tremolo. Then retuning the guitar and repeating the process until the tuning is stable and I can whammy in tune without the nut being locked.
Then I’ll lock the nut and do final tune with the fine tuners.
The best Floyd setup I’ve ever came across is one without a locking nut. I used to have a cheap Kramer Pacer (back in the day ;) ). It had an original Floyd bridge without the fine tuners and no locking nut. It was so smooth and you could not pull that thing out of tune...., until you broke a string.
Guthrie Govan has a similar setup on his signature Charvels.
This video deserve millions of likes
Thanks for this...I just picked up a Ltd kh602 (my 3rd esp Ltd guitar). We’re an ESP ONLY family.
these are such high maintenance guitars... but when its set up right, with their EMG pickups its totally worth it sounds amazing
Love these videos! Subscribed
Thanks so much! This really helped! 🤘
Easy video, to the point and no bullshit! Thanks
thanks you sir, it work for me! been very useful for me!
The lick at the beginning was tasty as hell
Good video. After adjusting my bridge springs and not getting the bridge to sit back down what can I do?
It actually helped... Thanks man
thanks a lot for this! hard work tough
"Straight to the point" best video !
Like a esp chug
Thank you for sharing this, finally I can deal with this FR😄
Excellent....just excellent....thank you!
hi , love this video , may i know the height of Bass E & treble E in millimeters?
I noticed your outer spring run at an anlge to the center of the bracket. Mine all run staight. Should i move my two out springs over to match yours?
That's the best of setting the level and the 2 srews now I am set but the Earl slick brass gibson style bridge is giving me a headache with the intonation it's the lespaul model by ghs earl slick?
big help thanks.
Thank you very much dude .
And yeah your videos are real prosice thanks
Thank you
THANK YOU!!!
Would you please let me know what exact model this is. Can`t seem to find one anywhere ?? Would love to own one. Thanks, Philip.
great, thanks
Is there necessary adjustments to make before adding new size of strings
this is like the 100th time I've watched this video cause I keep having trouble
I love it 🔥❤️
Saved me £50 after watching your guitar video its helped me out so much and now ive got a perfectly good to play Jackson guitar thank you so much. Ive given you a subscribe for your help
Easy explanation of how this seemingly complicated bridge isn't so complicated at all!
So, domb question just to make sure:
My bridge angle is quite high when it's in tune, i should turn the screws clockwise a bit and retune a bit lowe (because lowering the bridge is pulling the strings) the guitar, then repeat untill it's set?
Do I have to change the strings in order to adjust the angle of the bridge?
I need some help. My floyd rose is setup with 9-42 gauge strings in e standard tuning like the guitar in this video, except I have a 4 spring setup currently. I want to go down to a 3 spring set up like the one in the video. I removed the 4th spring and set up the remaining 3 springs in the /I\ arrangement. However, when I tightened the claw screws down to get the bridge level and tuned up, my Floyd was still leaning heavily forward toward the pickups. I have tried tightening the claw screws as far as they can go and the bridge still leans forward well above the normal floating position. I also tried the 3 springs arranged evenly like this | | |, but it didn’t work. Any ideas on how I can get a 3 spring setup working with my current string gauge and tuning? Thank you!
How important is it that the treble side is paralel to the body? and should the claw be level? (not slightly tighter on one side)
What if I wanted to change the tuning of the guitar? Is this all I have to do or do I have to play with the truss rod or anything?
What did i messed up ( 3:55 ) , because everytime i tune the guitar from 6 to 1, i have to start all over from 6 to 1 because when i have 1st string in tune, 6th is dropped again and eventually bridge is facing sky high before locking strings ?
I did lower the bridge a little. I cannot see it in eye, but it might not be perfectly straight because i like to keep 6th string a bit higher than 1st and 2nd string. I might need to adjust tension springs but i have no idea what to do.
Basic newbie errors and just lack of knowledge. Tips are appreciated so my ESP could be in shape again, thanks :)
Nice!
Great tip! Worked perfect for my Charvel Jackson w/ floating Floyd Rose. Also, saves you about $70 if you give this to some kid at Guitar Center that hasn't a clue.
Rick Smith I feel you I took my jem to get the bridge raised (this was when I didn’t know how just got into the Floyd rose at the time) and they completely messed it up
Do you think it has to be perfectly flush or just not noticably angled? I try to make it perfectly flush at all times but don't always get it. It's usually slightly off. Is that acceptable or? And it always stays in tune well enough and I got a good whammy range
Where can I get that cover? Fit a Jackson DK2S?
what is that tuner? I am looking for a super duper extremely accurate tuner..that shows exactly how many hz or whatever its called... how off it is...
i'm also trying to figure out how to raise ever so slight JUST (ONLY) the height of the low E string side of the bridge because there is buzzing ONLY on the low two strings (E and A) on only the frets 1 and two. any other ideas to fix this buzz?
How do you know if you need to replace the springs mine feel floppy
How do we put the springs back on if they come off.
So, why do we Want the bridge pulled higher??? I thought we wanted them parallel with the top edge of the body and bottom edge of the saddle base,,, I just got a LTD GL200 AND it seems that I have a couple of fret edges on the bottom that are hanging up too, like they need refined or finished filed,,,,
What if your bridge is still lifting because of too much string tension and you cannot tighten the screws anymore to pull the bridge back down? so far videos have helped me lots thank you!
Add more springs
What do you do if the spring tension bolts are all the way in and the bridge is still pulling up
Works with Wilkinson bridge too.
Hi, thanks for your instructions. I’ve seen all of your videos but still have a problem.
I still hearing buzz on the 1st to 3rd fret on my guitar even after doing tross rod adjustment (specially 6&5 string).
There is no problem on the other frets.
What should i do?!
Adjust the string action to fnd the point where you get good tone and no buzz
You probably have some uneven frets, which means you need to have your frets leveled or you need to use high gauge strings and see if that helps. Typically though, if you have certain frets that are buzzing or making different notes (dead frets) you have to file those frets down. That's something that most people don't know how to do and should not do if they have never done before. Guitars suck, they are always in need of repair, especially wood guitars. If I were rich I would buy a carbon fiber guitar, they don't have the problems wooden guitars have.
IF ITS A NEW GUITAR ID TAKE IT BACK LET THEM DO IT..
Great video but I learned the hard way got a new guitar the floyd was so high in back I tuned it and opened back one spring was off I put it back on and was still high I didn't re tune like idiot I turned and turned finally got it level then put plate back on retuned guitar and then realized now the other side was way down so had to loosen a lot and retuned now good I just hope it's ok that I tightened and loosened so much hope that dont strip the wood or nothing I'm a noob on this let me know since still under warranty thank you
Does it suppose to be leveled?
How long are the screws?
Guys I need help when changing strings three slipped out of the saddle and now the tremolo has dipped signigicantly. Ive bought new strings and am wondering shall I replace the three first before 're adjusting the tremolo angle. Also how can I stop the strings from slipping out of the saddle lock? Thanks
1) tighten the sadles
2) tighten the screws in the sadles
3) check if the "teeth" in the sadles are not slipping/moving
I noticed you tuned DOWN to the note while tuning.
I've always heard and employ coming UP to the note for best results. But that might be for low-end tuners. Thoughts?
And my guitar.Is a flying v jackson but with a floyd rose set up same as the guitar your working on
Thank you much! I was like I want a guitar Mattalica plays. Then I'm home like wtf did I get myself into. Not bad once you understand but I'm still learning and had it for years
Is it possible to do a video where you explain how to get a Floyd to return to the same spot after pulling up or down?
there's something wrong with it if it doesnt automatically return to the same spot when you release.
If It doesn't return to the same spot, you better inspect the knife edges or posts, If they have some wear probably you'll have to buy a new baseplate or post. Also the Wood around the posts sometimes crack (happens a lot on cheap guitars), If the Wood is cracked a Luthier may be able to fix It.
How are you tuning that with the tuning knobs with the neck locks on?
You can just loosen the nut locks without fully taking them off
I have a problem with that. Floid look down, but it works in tune. If i do it parallel to body, it loses note- from E to Eь, ltd kh-202
I don't understand why the springs on my Jackson js32L don't have enough tension, strings always pull the bridge way to high so I have to move the claw almost all the way into the body so the bridge rests into the correct position.
I got a tip from youtube.. tune E (6) than E (1) than A than B then D and last G... saving time ! Works for me :)
i don't think its a good idea, it can cause the 1 E string more easy to break, because the spring tension is too much for 1 E string to handle, when in the tuning process
Easy pezie NoW!! Thanks.
Add adjusting pickup heights for Floyd rose bridge guitars. Recently I tried to adjust String Action height lower but now when I use my tremolo bar backward the strings are touching my bridge pickups. How can I balance these?
You can lower the pickup height with a few counter-clockwise screwdriver turns on the two pickup adjustment screws.
hi , i own a kirk hammet esp , and they told the floyd rose must be 90° to the studs
AKA level.
The screws on my guitar are almost going inside the body and the strings just keep pulling
Same. They didn't address it in this video but it's still an issue with the balancing. When the spring tension is too high on one side, it will pull unevenly on the 3 strings corresponding to which side its on (left/treble screw effects g/b/E, right/bass screw effects e/a/d). Mine were so unbalanced I couldn't get the guitar in tune whatsoever.
Figuring out which side is pulling up more by looking at the angle of the floating bridge is key. I recommend loosening the strings & backing both the screws off so you have room to work with. Then slowly bring it up to pitch. If it's still not letting you, observe the angle of the float (when string tension is applied) & adjust spring claw screws accordingly. Repeat until its balanced
If the strings are pulling that hard then you can add a spring to the back. I had to do it with my old Jem7. I used a Tremory spring to it and had no problems since.
Add one more spring
I had that issue with my Schecter. I fixed it by adding another spring
@@Darkhalo314 Yup, same with my Schecter, but to be fair, I was going from 9s to 11s and needed the 5th spring badly.
If the bridge is parallel to the body that means you can't pull the tremolo "up", only down, right? My bridge is arched slightly downwards and the farthest I can pull the bar "up" is to where the bridge becomes parallel to the body
Question I just got my original floyd trem and I'm scared to remove the claw because it has a wire attached to it... can I get rid of that or what?
Just a ground wire. If you need to change your claw, de-solder it off the claw, then solder back to new claw.
Easy, solder that one wire back after.
Saved me 60 bucks 👍
after turning the screws in the back, do i need to give it time so the springs stabilize or i can tune immediately?
You can either tune right away or let the string settle in. It’s up to you.
@@irvan36mm thanks!
Floyd Rose= patience. Treat her right and she’ll treat you right.
Your right it does it well and then wow she just comes alive
I took two big ass wood blocks and hammered them into that bish and never been happier
My bridge was sticking way far up didn't know what to do thought I was going to have to take it in. Dont now, thanks
block it. the best adjustment I ever made.
so if the bridge is floating way to high, do i turn clockwise? I mean mines really high
Yes, you are basically "lengthening" the springs by pulling the claw further from the bridge, but because tension is the same for a given set of strings in a given tuning, the overall length of the springs will resist lengthening, therefore the bridge will be pulled level to the body. You could also try adding a 3rd or 4th spring if you have room in your cavity and can't adjust the claw any more.
the problem i have when the bridge is lined up with the body the strings touch the frets and i cant figure out how to fix it doesnt matter how i adjust it
Don't you hv to loosen all the strings before adjusting the screws, to avoid damaging the knife edge ? Tqvm
TN The Governor that’s for adjusting the action...in this case it’s not necessary
I ave a 7 string that I've been trying to fix Its so annoying I think the low B string is making it hard
not sure what im doing wrong, i tune one string, do the others then the low E string is out again? its a vicious cycle ? haha
Tuner name?
Just block the bridge at parallel position with a deck of cards, tune. take off the cards, tighten/loosen the springs until all strings go in-tune again. simpler and faster and more effective method.
MIRAGE FR I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who knew that 😂
Or loose change, whatever you can find that works :)
1. How is that faster if the bridge is no longer parallel on each side? Mine came from the factory uneven (Low E to High E strings)
2. How in the fuck did you manage enough of a gap to get a deck of cards under the bridge? You dive bombing the trem?
3. Dont shit on proper methods without explaining details of your specific nightmare of a rig.
This saved me a lot of pain. Thanks!
Make a video hero
I can watch all the vids and still never understand this. What's always ending up happening to me was the bridge would go up all the way and then when I'd try to release tension my strings would pop out or break on me. Or while I was tubing they'd pull out the bridge pins and I could just never win. Such a pain in the ass. Someone's gotta show me in person one day cause I miss playing my jackson. Fuck
What if your changing size of strings say 9/42 to 10/46
dylan dewar I am always experimenting with string sizes. For example, yesterday I had big strings on but I can't remember the size. I think Ernie ball silver series with 52-10? They were so tight that I could hardly vibrato. Anyways, I got some new neck oil and Simichrome and figured I'd clean it since it never really has been cleaned at managed. I found another set of Ernie ball I had but it didn't say the string size. They were like 46-09. Holy shit was everything off. I had to back the screws from inside the guitar out, way out, and then tune and tune again. I think it's possible you could write down where everything is but I think it would just be easier to understand how this system works and stick with a set size. I only say to stick with one size you're used to because it will save time in the future when having to restring. And knowing your instrument will help years later. By the way, since the new strings I put on, I'm going to take the low three strings off and match it with boomers that are 52 from the E string. So it'll be 52-09 temporarily. The high E will allow me to vibrato but the low E will be a massive thick sound. But this is temporary until I get new strings that I can find at guitar center. The Ernie balls that we're silver series, I think that's what they're called, fucking rock for metal. Plus I'm dropped tuned to dropped C because it's fun. Been doing this for many years man. It's probably possible to do what you're saying but the problem occurs with your tuning and the springs because both are pulling on each other. However, if you are always using the same thickness strings and always staying in a set tuning, then yes you will be very close every time you tune.