Stephen Fry BECAME Oscar Wilde, almost literally, as though the long deceased spirit of that famed Anglo-Irish fop invaded him, and took over much of his consciousness, his being, and his perspective. An amazing, sublime and rightfully acclaimed performance, Fry should have won an Oscar for so beautifully and seamlessly depicting Oscar, in a manner that Oscar himself would have deemed quite commendable, and very worthy of all the genuine praise that could be, and was, lavishly bestowed upon him, and whose source, much of it, could be traced to the most consummate and objective critics, along with Fry's (and by extension, Oscar's) most ardent admirers. For that would have been undoubtedly this form of poetic justice, of indisputable vindication. Fry, as brilliant and exceptionally versatile as he is, really did bring Oscar Wilde back to life, seemingly resurrecting one of the greatest and wittiest writers that ever sprang from the vast and vibrant English (language) literary firmament. Fry definitely deserved an Oscar for Oscar!
@@bingola45 And? Do you want me to list all of the English people with Irish parents or grandparents? I don't see people claiming them as "Hiberno-English". Oscar Wilde was an Irish nationalist. He had no loyalties to England.
@@Stevenbfg Nobody is in any doubt that the fop was a Fenian. He took every opportunity to denigrate the people who gave him fame and fortune. People describe him as 'Anglo-Irish' because his mother was from Co. Durham, which, despite its Irish-style title, is, in fact, in England.
Was the exchange where Wilde declares a certain young man too ugly to kiss left out of the Fry film? That was the most important exchange in the first trial and was compelling in both the Finch and Morley films.
It's heartwarming seeing that Robbie was the first one to applaud the speech, not even hesitating about it. He stood by his side even when he was far away.
The scene was so intense. Maybe because Oscar is a wit person, and know how to say words after words making him doesn't bother much of what's going on. Imagine if the one that attended the trials was someone who couldn't save themself ....
The physical resemblance between Fry to Wilde is uncanny. This video clip from the film "Wilde" (1997) contains the last appearance of the legendary actor, Peter Barkworth.
You could write an entire play from the recorded transcript of this cross examination. Carson, a barrister and a hardline unionist, was deeply affected by this case. When subsequently asked by the crown to prosecute Wilde he declined and advised against there being a prosecution at all. He felt Wilde had been destroyed by the civil trial and it was inhuman to pursue him further. The movie unfortunately concatenates the legal proceedings but it’s well worth reading in full the transcript of Carson’s cross examination of Wilde, which is free online
If Oscar Wilde had lived around the modern era, it would’ve been completely different. Homosexuality is more accepted nowadays and isn’t criminalised as it was back then, but there can be some who don’t accept it I have to be honest. It’s a loud noisy world we live in.
Hilarious. The Actor who played Marquees of Queensberry is so funny, that it brings decency and humanity to an otherwise grotesque real life character!
Mm see this is a bit off ish to me. By all accounts Wilde was very show offy and catish on the stand. So Fry as a fan of his playing him with such humility seems a bit flattering and for want of a better word inaccurate. Please don’t get me wrong though that’s one small critique in a great film.
@@koenhughes9267 who on earth quotes Freud these days so reactionary I would rather be considered intolerant as you say then to submit to a perversion and a violation of the trust and affection between men that is natural and never sexual 🤔
@@maximillianphoenix9374 This might surprise you but if you don't want to have sex with men you don't have to, and isn't sex a natural thing and not a perversion ?
@@koenhughes9267 koen what is the fundamental purpose of sex basic reproduction so no male cannot mate with male or female with female so no it’s not natural nor is excessive sexual lust for male or female men should not covert the bodies of either sex for sexual lusts 🤔
@@maximillianphoenix9374 I understand what you're saying but every heterosexual connection doesn't necessarily make a connection in terms of childbirth, some people aren't parents and should be regardless of their genetic capabilities and some people shouldn't be parents regardless of the fact they can make children. All sorts of same sex parents can make productive and parental parents in parents throughout parents such as penguins, lions and all other mammals you can think of.
It was. Though wilde wasn't tried for buggery, he was tried for "gross indecency". I believe the punishment for buggery was much harsher than the one for gross indecency
I always thought that Stephen Fry and Oscar Wilde have many similarities...in terms of their appearance and that they are both homosexuals. Also, they are both multi-talented and are knowledgable on different disciplines. Also their style of clothing is similar. I even thought that maybe Stephen Fry is the reincarnation of Oscar Wilde. Or maybe Stephen Fry admires Oscar Wilde and is inspired by his work.
I've never seen this film but am aware of the story. It's too bad there's people today who would put him away still to cover their inadequacies and hypocrisies.
You must get the information of the trial. Some of the boys were underaged. Nowadays his sentence would have been much harsher. You cannot put a poem on pedophilia and say it's right. One boy was 14 or so!!!
If this is what the man actually said in a trial where he accused someone of libel then he's the dumbest shithead ever. Him: I'm going to take you to court for calling me a homo! Court: Are you a homo? Him: Guys, I love men. Homosexuality is beautiful. Court: case dismissed. I can't get over it.
According to the transcripts he indeed has said it. It cannot be described as a good tactical move but then again he was a writer and a poet, not a lawyer.
@ He shouldn't have ever been in a position 'needing' to openly deny that he was bisexual and loved men and women romantically and sexually. The trial was a joke and I'd like to think it somehow gave a voice to all the poor working class men whose lives were destroyed without any publicity, beaten humiliated tried and imprisoned because they were just 'caught' in a sexual situation with another man.
@@chandlerrose4545 he made the most incredible series of blunders. First, perhaps was in not dropping Bosie like a hot potato when he became aware of how despicable he was. Time after time, he kept forgiving him and taking him back, even after fully resolving finally, to quit him. Then, when he received the ominous card, he should have torn it up. Then, he had to show it to Bosie, which was idiotic. Then, when he should have been taking legal council, he actually permitted Bosie to talk him into filing the horribly misconceived lawsuit against his father. Then he lied to his attorney by stating that there was no truth to the charges. Then the courtroom blunders. Finally, at the last hours, when his friends were begging him to leave at once for France (all he had to do was to go) he sat around drinking and trying to keep his dignity until they entered and arrested him. It almost seems as if he subconsciously wanted to go to prison. Tragic.
Roo ""The first thing I forgot upon entering Oxford was my Irish accent."" Oscar Wilde. For as a kid he did in fact speak with a Dublin accent, though upon arriving in England he adopted and assumed this rather posh, upper class type English accent, probably mainly for assimilative reasons and to be better accepted by his British peers. Hey, when in Rome............
I find myself sickened by how Wilde is romanticised and whitewashed. The person who said Fry played Wilde better than Wilde could play himself is an absolute idiot. Fry was miscast; he looks a bit like Wilde but his performance is too mild mannered and timid; he’s not a trained actor like Daniel day Lewis who should have played the role with the nuance it deserved. Fry is playing himself, his own persona: he’s not even trying to interpret the role in the way an actor should. Wilde, for all of his brilliance as a satirical writer, had a repulsive, self indulgent side and Fry's mild, appealing personality tries to distort this as something benevolent instead of destructive. It's a sham. Jude Law does an exceptional job as Bosie but he shouldn’t have had to carry the film on his own talent... he deserved a formidable costar... and that’s why the film is not regarded as a classic, because it didn't really hold Oscar up to be analysed as a flawed, provocative, self-destructive figure, just to idealise him (a vanity project on Fry's part, who wants to be identified with Wilde and has succeeded, if the OP comment is anything to go by). All the 'love that dare not speak its name' bollocks was in fact an excuse for Wilde and Bosie to go out and take advantage of vulnerable, underage, working class rent boys (which Wilde called 'feasting with panthers') and, once Wilde was sent down, his wife and children were the ones who lost everything. My final point is that Oscar Wilde's dramatic life was certainly worthy of a film biopic but not the kind of film that doesn't tell the truth.
I believe a faithfully movie adaptation of a person or an age doesn't exist. Documentaries are in charge of that matter.A movie is a story of two at hours of less, period.
@@disturbedtommysoldier3648 can’t handle the truth, I see.
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Wilde lost everything in Paris, even in Reading gaoil... Wilde - who was all glory - died poor. Constance did not "lost everything"; she had money and sent to him untill know he was again with Bosie. She just lost his name and take it from their children. A shame.
Highly admirable acting from Stephen Fry.
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It’s WILD that Stephen Fry didn’t get an OSCAR for this, if you know what I’m saying.
Good.
Wicked good pun
Oscar would be proud of you!
Good pun
Well, he basically played himself; a great artist with an incredible talent for words and alot of charme.
Stephen Fry BECAME Oscar Wilde, almost literally, as though the long deceased spirit of that famed Anglo-Irish fop invaded him, and took over much of his consciousness, his being, and his perspective.
An amazing, sublime and rightfully acclaimed performance, Fry should have won an Oscar for so beautifully and seamlessly depicting Oscar, in a manner that Oscar himself would have deemed quite commendable, and very worthy of all the genuine praise that could be, and was, lavishly bestowed upon him, and whose source, much of it, could be traced to the most consummate and objective critics, along with Fry's (and by extension, Oscar's) most ardent admirers.
For that would have been undoubtedly this form of poetic justice, of indisputable vindication. Fry, as brilliant and exceptionally versatile as he is, really did bring Oscar Wilde back to life, seemingly resurrecting one of the greatest and wittiest writers that ever sprang from the vast and vibrant English (language) literary firmament. Fry definitely deserved an Oscar for Oscar!
"Anglo-Irish" is a way for English to steal credit. He was Irish and only considered himself such.
@@Stevenbfg 👍👍👍👍👍
@@Stevenbfg His mother was from Co. Durham.
@@bingola45 And? Do you want me to list all of the English people with Irish parents or grandparents? I don't see people claiming them as "Hiberno-English". Oscar Wilde was an Irish nationalist. He had no loyalties to England.
@@Stevenbfg Nobody is in any doubt that the fop was a Fenian. He took every opportunity to denigrate the people who gave him fame and fortune.
People describe him as 'Anglo-Irish' because his mother was from Co. Durham, which, despite its Irish-style title, is, in fact, in England.
Literature above all is what helps me to live, and this is the most beautiful film about a writer I have seen.
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I love Stephen Fry's voice
Was the exchange where Wilde declares a certain young man too ugly to kiss left out of the Fry film? That was the most important exchange in the first trial and was compelling in both the Finch and Morley films.
Stephen Fry playing Oscar Wilde?
This is a film I've got to see.
It's heartwarming seeing that Robbie was the first one to applaud the speech, not even hesitating about it. He stood by his side even when he was far away.
The scene was so intense. Maybe because Oscar is a wit person, and know how to say words after words making him doesn't bother much of what's going on. Imagine if the one that attended the trials was someone who couldn't save themself ....
i got an ad with stephen fry before the video
The physical resemblance between Fry to Wilde is uncanny. This video clip from the film "Wilde" (1997) contains the last appearance of the legendary actor, Peter Barkworth.
It’s not, really. Wilde had full lips and a more elegant face.
You could write an entire play from the recorded transcript of this cross examination. Carson, a barrister and a hardline unionist, was deeply affected by this case. When subsequently asked by the crown to prosecute Wilde he declined and advised against there being a prosecution at all. He felt Wilde had been destroyed by the civil trial and it was inhuman to pursue him further. The movie unfortunately concatenates the legal proceedings but it’s well worth reading in full the transcript of Carson’s cross examination of Wilde, which is free online
This scene makes the stomac tremble.
The smart answer was, “I don’t know what that means.”
I swear I'd be like "idk bro soz"
If Oscar Wilde had lived around the modern era, it would’ve been completely different. Homosexuality is more accepted nowadays and isn’t criminalised as it was back then, but there can be some who don’t accept it I have to be honest. It’s a loud noisy world we live in.
He was having sex with underage rent boys. That’s not admirable.
It would still have been a huge scandal due to the ages of the boys he slept with
@@B.Deacon Similar to what happened with Phillip Schofield.
Well, he groomed and slept with very young teenagers, and he'd hopefully get into trouble for this today as well.
Hilarious. The Actor who played Marquees of Queensberry is so funny, that it brings decency and humanity to an otherwise grotesque real life character!
Well, at least he created the rules of modern boxing.
Mm see this is a bit off ish to me. By all accounts Wilde was very show offy and catish on the stand. So Fry as a fan of his playing him with such humility seems a bit flattering and for want of a better word inaccurate.
Please don’t get me wrong though that’s one small critique in a great film.
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Peter Finch ;played him better, in my opinion
And Peter Egan played him, the best of all.
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I believe the US Praised Stalin for many years for his serviced to humanity. I think I'm done here
What???????
Oscar Wilde: The love that dare not speak its name...between David and Jonathan...
Pastor Sempa: Wayayugay?
The noblest form of affection is the bond between men and not the perverted desire to enter another mans body that’s disgusting 😡
Disgusting is in the eyes of the disgusting, or as Freud once stated intolerance is a symptom of impotence, you have my sympathies.
@@koenhughes9267 who on earth quotes Freud these days so reactionary I would rather be considered intolerant as you say then to submit to a perversion and a violation of the trust and affection between men that is natural and never sexual 🤔
@@maximillianphoenix9374 This might surprise you but if you don't want to have sex with men you don't have to, and isn't sex a natural thing and not a perversion ?
@@koenhughes9267 koen what is the fundamental purpose of sex basic reproduction so no male cannot mate with male or female with female so no it’s not natural nor is excessive sexual lust for male or female men should not covert the bodies of either sex for sexual lusts 🤔
@@maximillianphoenix9374 I understand what you're saying but every heterosexual connection doesn't necessarily make a connection in terms of childbirth, some people aren't parents and should be regardless of their genetic capabilities and some people shouldn't be parents regardless of the fact they can make children. All sorts of same sex parents can make productive and parental parents in parents throughout parents such as penguins, lions and all other mammals you can think of.
His arrogance made him think he was shielded from ignorance.
Buggery was illegal in England?
It was. Though wilde wasn't tried for buggery, he was tried for "gross indecency". I believe the punishment for buggery was much harsher than the one for gross indecency
I always thought that Stephen Fry and Oscar Wilde have many similarities...in terms of their appearance and that they are both homosexuals. Also, they are both multi-talented and are knowledgable on different disciplines. Also their style of clothing is similar. I even thought that maybe Stephen Fry is the reincarnation of Oscar Wilde. Or maybe Stephen Fry admires Oscar Wilde and is inspired by his work.
I've never seen this film but am aware of the story. It's too bad there's people today who would put him away still to cover their inadequacies and hypocrisies.
You must get the information of the trial. Some of the boys were underaged. Nowadays his sentence would have been much harsher. You cannot put a poem on pedophilia and say it's right. One boy was 14 or so!!!
British judges don't use gavels (3:15) Stephen Fry should have known this as it's been said on QI many times.
If this is what the man actually said in a trial where he accused someone of libel then he's the dumbest shithead ever.
Him: I'm going to take you to court for calling me a homo!
Court: Are you a homo?
Him: Guys, I love men. Homosexuality is beautiful.
Court: case dismissed.
I can't get over it.
According to the transcripts he indeed has said it. It cannot be described as a good tactical move but then again he was a writer and a poet, not a lawyer.
Nikolai Schuehly One doesn’t need to be a lawyer to know that is lunacy. He was advised against taking action.
No. He was the most courageous.
@ He shouldn't have ever been in a position 'needing' to openly deny that he was bisexual and loved men and women romantically and sexually. The trial was a joke and I'd like to think it somehow gave a voice to all the poor working class men whose lives were destroyed without any publicity, beaten humiliated tried and imprisoned because they were just 'caught' in a sexual situation with another man.
@@chandlerrose4545 he made the most incredible series of blunders. First, perhaps was in not dropping Bosie like a hot potato when he became aware of how despicable he was. Time after time, he kept forgiving him and taking him back, even after fully resolving finally, to quit him. Then, when he received the ominous card, he should have torn it up. Then, he had to show it to Bosie, which was idiotic. Then, when he should have been taking legal council, he actually permitted Bosie to talk him into filing the horribly misconceived lawsuit against his father. Then he lied to his attorney by stating that there was no truth to the charges. Then the courtroom blunders. Finally, at the last hours, when his friends were begging him to leave at once for France (all he had to do was to go) he sat around drinking and trying to keep his dignity until they entered and arrested him. It almost seems as if he subconsciously wanted to go to prison. Tragic.
did oscar not have an irish accent then?
Roo ""The first thing I forgot upon entering Oxford was my Irish accent."" Oscar Wilde.
For as a kid he did in fact speak with a Dublin accent, though upon arriving in England he adopted and assumed this rather posh, upper class type English accent, probably mainly for assimilative reasons and to be better accepted by his British peers. Hey, when in Rome............
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I find myself sickened by how Wilde is romanticised and whitewashed. The person who said Fry played Wilde better than Wilde could play himself is an absolute idiot. Fry was miscast; he looks a bit like Wilde but his performance is too mild mannered and timid; he’s not a trained actor like Daniel day Lewis who should have played the role with the nuance it deserved. Fry is playing himself, his own persona: he’s not even trying to interpret the role in the way an actor should. Wilde, for all of his brilliance as a satirical writer, had a repulsive, self indulgent side and Fry's mild, appealing personality tries to distort this as something benevolent instead of destructive. It's a sham. Jude Law does an exceptional job as Bosie but he shouldn’t have had to carry the film on his own talent... he deserved a formidable costar... and that’s why the film is not regarded as a classic, because it didn't really hold Oscar up to be analysed as a flawed, provocative, self-destructive figure, just to idealise him (a vanity project on Fry's part, who wants to be identified with Wilde and has succeeded, if the OP comment is anything to go by). All the 'love that dare not speak its name' bollocks was in fact an excuse for Wilde and Bosie to go out and take advantage of vulnerable, underage, working class rent boys (which Wilde called 'feasting with panthers') and, once Wilde was sent down, his wife and children were the ones who lost everything. My final point is that Oscar Wilde's dramatic life was certainly worthy of a film biopic but not the kind of film that doesn't tell the truth.
I believe a faithfully movie adaptation of a person or an age doesn't exist. Documentaries are in charge of that matter.A movie is a story of two at hours of less, period.
this is like one of those r/copypasta shitposts
"HURRRRRRRRRRRRRR THE PERSON IS AN IDIOT"
@@disturbedtommysoldier3648 can’t handle the truth, I see.
Wilde lost everything in Paris, even in Reading gaoil... Wilde - who was all glory - died poor. Constance did not "lost everything"; she had money and sent to him untill know he was again with Bosie. She just lost his name and take it from their children. A shame.
Messylin, you make very good points.
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