It's cause snipers are objectively overpowered no matter what you do to them as long as they maintain the ability to 1 shot kill to the head regardless of range. Hitting a singular shot is for the most part easier than hitting multiple in succession, and yet snipers get rewarded more for an "easier" task and can even in some cases react to automatic fire and kill in return because they only need one hit compared to the 3-6ish hits most automatics in the game need.
@@legendaryignitor they’re only overpowered if you’re incredibly good at the game. at that point, using an automatic would suit most situations better.
@@siko9799 My comment was about game balance. You're talking about individualistic perspective. Yes, most automatics are more practical from case to case, but in (and I cannot stress this enough) every fps with sniper rifles, they're op. The counterplay to a sniper is, don't be seen and if you are seen then be extremely close to even get a chance to punish them, and if they're staring down a chokepoint then you can forget it. Snipers are oppressive, that's their job. If they're able to do their job then they are overpowered. I'm not saying, nerf them into oblivion. However most game devs don't realize that the best way to "balance" a sniper is to leave it unbalanced, because that's what they'll "always" be.
@@legendaryignitor i see. i agree with what you say. snipers should always be guns with high skill ceilings. i think pf does this well to an extent. though there are some easy to use snipers (.50 cals), usually their potential is lower than a faster firing sniper.
I honestly love how they're making each sniper fall into its own group, yet not so niche that you can't play sniper if you're part of a given niche - each one is completely unique and a little difficult to switch between playstyles, yet if you're a sniper it's nigh impossible to not fit in with a specific gun's niche.
Sorry im late by a year but Bfg and NTW fit into the same category and sometimes even the hecate let me list ig Power - NTW, HECATE, BFG Potential - Remington, Steyr, Mosin Versatility - Intervention im not as smart as i sound i forgot all sniper types youre right 😭
heyo, guy who did the TRG rework here as you said I was aiming for the TRG to be moreso focused on it's ability to limb kill, but unfortunately it was not well received as it had functionally rendered the weapon useless, as it was only killing to similar distances as the AWS and new K14. I will be going back to the drawing board for the TRG, so hopefully it should get rejuvenated in a later update. Also, the M1903 maxim suppressor thing IS a bug, it's supposed to have a unique sound to other suppressors but somehow didn't make it into production.
@@sowophlia the contractor is currently on holiday due to it being new years, but he plans to start doing consistent updates every couple of weeks or so, doing small balance changes/adding new content. I'm hoping I will be able to have the rework I have written pushed in the next update.
I can confirm that NTW shoots through entire maps. I prebought the NTW at level 20, put a red dot on top of the scope, bought the single shot conversion, put some iphones on it, and sat on a couch in the living room of a building on desert storm. I had a friend spot for me, and I managed to get 20 kills by shooting red markers on a wall. I even got a collat once. Definitely the most fun I've had in phantom so far. I'm not even good at the game lol. People were like "why do you, a level 20, have an NTW and why are you shooting us through like 7 walls?"
@@_wayward_494 what has changed is that i no longer feel like my deaths should have happened 90% of the time because i either start shooting one bullet at them back after seeing them and im dead 1 second later. seems like the frames arent synced up most times too and i played in 2016-2019 and just came back. never felt like this.
The lack of sway on the ft300 is due to the unique design, one notable part of this is the stock which is on a spring also marksman kit + 22 lr is now very powerful, it fixes the old mag issue and works like marksman kit on everything else
The reason to use the SVU is for its body performance. In LRC, it can 2 shot limb/torso all ranges, which is a lot like every other sniper (excluding the ones that torso kill or limb kill all ranges), yet has a LOT more RPM.
for the TRG, the TRG-S kit is basically a direct upgrade (torso multi is now 1.14 instead of 1, but the base velocity is reduced by 200). also the Mosin can have 8mm and extended mag again for some reason
Btw the SVDS conv (10/3.5mm) on top of having reverse damage and semi auto, 1. Has I think 6 studs of pen and 2. Use ars suppressor to make the one shot head range closer since ars reduces ranges the most Also, NTW-20 with 20x110 and heavy barrel had 42 studs of pen
I don't play this game super often but when I do I usually run snipers, I run the 700. I'm glad they didn't ruin it because I actually enjoy using it. same with the Mosin, I'm glad they brought back the 4X
They should really just put the SVU into DMR because that’s really what it is. If you use it like a sniper, you’ll get poor results. However if you use it like the scar ssr, it slaps.
@@yese2769 yes however they preform much better at close range than snipers, at least in my opinion. The same goes for the SVU which is good at medium and close range because of the headshot range but falls off at long range due to its poor velocity and long range damage.
The ft300 is now (in my opinion) realy good, if you use a good red dot sight, heavy barrel, skeleton or hipfire grip, marksmen kit (gives more ammo) and 6xc conv
i havent watched u snowy since a while ago when u said you were going on a break idk how long ago but used to watch every video u did for like 2 years but yeah hi!
thank god they reworked the ft300, i used to main it in the past and seemed strange to play but now its really good, if you have 6xc ammo and long barrel on it it gets 4000 velocity and 4 studs of pen (not sure if marksman kit thing that adds 10 rounds in the mag effects that) but yeah its really good now
.375 Cheytac has been excellent at long ranged engagement, much more than default ammo IMO. Solely because one shot headshot with 3800 velocity is good enough. Torso kill range just doesn't matter much.
I used to use an obrezed(short barrel no stock) r700 w half ring sight in CQC and mid-range, the worst part is I had a decent kd with it (at least for me lol)
Glad the m107 wasn’t nerfed even more it still is my fav sniper that i have used. I might like the ntw better but I don’t think ill ever save up the credits to get it, can’t even think of getting it with rank
The Mosin 8mm nerf pisses me off. It's not an effective headshot gun at sniping ranges, it doesn't have the muzzle velocity of something like the Intervention that has shorter body shot range, you now load the magazine INDIVIDUALLY which is actual rectal cancer (the Henry .45-70 is single load, but it has a faster bolt and higher magazine capacity). The only thing the Mosin was good for was playing hard and fast, getting close to the enemy and having lightning fast reflexes to take on multiple targets. Now it can't even do that.
i recently used the sebru slugs and its a beast no sight and green laser is feels like there is no bullet drop, i love it 1 shot head all range like 3 or 4 body tho
AWP conv is useless because of that velocity unless you run bt. All of these rebalances are so petty when 50 cals still exist with the only nerf so far being ads time
2800 velocity is not bad at all, im sure u could get thr hang of it pretty quickly. 20 more fire rate and 5 extra bullets is 100% worth the damage and velocity tradeoff.
When the TRG got nerfed i was about to cry, until i remembered I'm a TRG 22 kit enjoyer and it doesn't even affect me 🤙 Btw the Mosin buff was actually really nice, good job there stylis
If stylis removes or does something similar to an attachment they need to refund it I remember when they changed the names of the ks23 long barrel and shells then magically I didn’t have them anymore and I didn’t even get a refund
I got on one day (I main the K14 and only the K14 really) and was wondering why the body shot range felt way too short. Now I know why, but honestly I don't really mind, I still find the gun quite fun to use.
Hey Snowy, Were you the youtuber who I commit kamikaze on us few days ago because I said i couldn’t handle your quickscoping? name Milky btw Edited: I also need to highlight that NTW-20 does have a light barrel before this update, idk if it removed & replace with heavy barrel, as I do not see it on the Ntw anymore
There is an odd glitch I found while using the intervention, where if you somewhat skip the bolt animation it won't let you scope in until you fire another round and finish the animation. Oof.
On the WA2000 please try my setup OKP-7 muzzle booster Skeleton grip Red laser 7.5mm conversion its effectively just a better k14, more rpm, torso kill range, semi auto and low recoil for a sniper
Can you check if the FT300 with default ammo 1 shots torso? The previous stats had a 1 shot torso range of ~60 studs. The new update seems to not have a 1 shot torso range according to the stats; but the gun feels like it has a 1 shot torso when I used it ingame. (75 dmg * 1.33 torso multiplier = 99.75). Maybe its a rounding error with the way the stat is displayed?
You making me wanna play p f but i already no longer have the x and four on my keyboard ,i used a pen to press the x key and the four aint working and typing him self when he feels to =(
so i leave the game for a few months and they nerf one of my favorite snipers (the trg-42) into the trash? i loved that gun because it was just a direct upgrade to the intervention, this limb shot gimmick just makes it a shotgun
Fear me peasants! Cause i am mosin man with no attachments just carbine barrel and dont care about range, i will shoot with low magnification irons on close to long range!
Can someone explain to me what 'handeling' exactly means, cause a lot of yt'ers talk abt it when they're talking abt guns and how it's better or worse but I don't really know what it is or how it effects your gun/playstyle
Stylis is so indecisive with all of these guns. They can’t keep anything the same
It's cause snipers are objectively overpowered no matter what you do to them as long as they maintain the ability to 1 shot kill to the head regardless of range. Hitting a singular shot is for the most part easier than hitting multiple in succession, and yet snipers get rewarded more for an "easier" task and can even in some cases react to automatic fire and kill in return because they only need one hit compared to the 3-6ish hits most automatics in the game need.
@@legendaryignitor they’re only overpowered if you’re incredibly good at the game. at that point, using an automatic would suit most situations better.
they have just recently hired a new contractor so thats why they just rebalanced the snipers
@@siko9799 My comment was about game balance. You're talking about individualistic perspective. Yes, most automatics are more practical from case to case, but in (and I cannot stress this enough) every fps with sniper rifles, they're op. The counterplay to a sniper is, don't be seen and if you are seen then be extremely close to even get a chance to punish them, and if they're staring down a chokepoint then you can forget it. Snipers are oppressive, that's their job. If they're able to do their job then they are overpowered. I'm not saying, nerf them into oblivion. However most game devs don't realize that the best way to "balance" a sniper is to leave it unbalanced, because that's what they'll "always" be.
@@legendaryignitor i see. i agree with what you say. snipers should always be guns with high skill ceilings. i think pf does this well to an extent. though there are some easy to use snipers (.50 cals), usually their potential is lower than a faster firing sniper.
I honestly love how they're making each sniper fall into its own group, yet not so niche that you can't play sniper if you're part of a given niche - each one is completely unique and a little difficult to switch between playstyles, yet if you're a sniper it's nigh impossible to not fit in with a specific gun's niche.
wow scientist
Sorry im late by a year but Bfg and NTW fit into the same category and sometimes even the hecate
let me list ig
Power - NTW, HECATE, BFG
Potential - Remington, Steyr, Mosin
Versatility - Intervention
im not as smart as i sound i forgot all sniper types youre right 😭
heyo, guy who did the TRG rework here
as you said I was aiming for the TRG to be moreso focused on it's ability to limb kill, but unfortunately it was not well received as it had functionally rendered the weapon useless, as it was only killing to similar distances as the AWS and new K14. I will be going back to the drawing board for the TRG, so hopefully it should get rejuvenated in a later update.
Also, the M1903 maxim suppressor thing IS a bug, it's supposed to have a unique sound to other suppressors but somehow didn't make it into production.
If its people like balancing the weapons, no wonder the power creep is insane
you ruined my favorite sniper, change back the trg
@@tejasdaksh1952 if you read my whole comment then you would know that I AM planning on changing it again.
@@ltgnx do you have any idea how long until it gets changed? (like will it be a soonish thing, or be in the next large update in a few months?)
@@sowophlia the contractor is currently on holiday due to it being new years, but he plans to start doing consistent updates every couple of weeks or so, doing small balance changes/adding new content. I'm hoping I will be able to have the rework I have written pushed in the next update.
Basically, in a nutshell: All snipers now have either trash or no torso multipliers, FT300 is the new meta, and NTW shoots through entire maps.
Yuh. Fine before
I can confirm that NTW shoots through entire maps.
I prebought the NTW at level 20, put a red dot on top of the scope, bought the single shot conversion, put some iphones on it, and sat on a couch in the living room of a building on desert storm. I had a friend spot for me, and I managed to get 20 kills by shooting red markers on a wall. I even got a collat once. Definitely the most fun I've had in phantom so far. I'm not even good at the game lol.
People were like "why do you, a level 20, have an NTW and why are you shooting us through like 7 walls?"
I wish Phantom Forces had that same vibe as it used to have 3 years ago.
Such good days.
I wish it had the same vibe as 6 years ago.
The vibe is the same lmao, all that has changed is that you grew up. You don't want the vine, you want to go back
@@_wayward_494 what has changed is that i no longer feel like my deaths should have happened 90% of the time because i either start shooting one bullet at them back after seeing them and im dead 1 second later. seems like the frames arent synced up most times too and i played in 2016-2019 and just came back. never felt like this.
@@draxthylocalrespectorofanime that seems like a hardware issue bruh. Or your internet
@@_wayward_494 So true, god I miss 2020
The lack of sway on the ft300 is due to the unique design, one notable part of this is the stock which is on a spring also marksman kit + 22 lr is now very powerful, it fixes the old mag issue and works like marksman kit on everything else
The NTW-20x110 with the heavy barrel has 45 studs of penetration. 35 studs are beginner numbers
So you can pretty much hit anyone from anywhere through anything
@@Phosphorite05 yes
@@Phosphorite05 well the gun is AMR so it is supposed to do that
The reason to use the SVU is for its body performance. In LRC, it can 2 shot limb/torso all ranges, which is a lot like every other sniper (excluding the ones that torso kill or limb kill all ranges), yet has a LOT more RPM.
4:49
Less bullets ✅
Less damage ✅
Less muzzle velocity ✅
Less penetration ✅
New mic needed ✅
for the TRG, the TRG-S kit is basically a direct upgrade (torso multi is now 1.14 instead of 1, but the base velocity is reduced by 200). also the Mosin can have 8mm and extended mag again for some reason
Btw the SVDS conv (10/3.5mm) on top of having reverse damage and semi auto, 1. Has I think 6 studs of pen and 2. Use ars suppressor to make the one shot head range closer since ars reduces ranges the most
Also, NTW-20 with 20x110 and heavy barrel had 42 studs of pen
I don't play this game super often but when I do I usually run snipers, I run the 700. I'm glad they didn't ruin it because I actually enjoy using it. same with the Mosin, I'm glad they brought back the 4X
haven’t watched you in awhile but i regret it. this vid was AMAZING
Ty for your time as a dedicated awm main I will still religiously use it despite the nerf.
me, being completely unaffected because i use a henry 45-70 to snipe
nice video! thanks for clarifying all the new sniper changes, a bit sad to see the intervention nerfed tho (my first 1k kill gun)
They should really just put the SVU into DMR because that’s really what it is. If you use it like a sniper, you’ll get poor results. However if you use it like the scar ssr, it slaps.
The thing is I snipe with dmrs so I don’t think it matters. A dmrs weak damage can be made up by their fast fire rate
@@yese2769 yes however they preform much better at close range than snipers, at least in my opinion. The same goes for the SVU which is good at medium and close range because of the headshot range but falls off at long range due to its poor velocity and long range damage.
@@julianthingvoll this is gonna sound weird but I main dmrs as snipers to the point that my longest shot was with one
if Stylis designates weapons class from its real world role, SVU is indeed sniper
not really apply to games but just gonna say it
The ft300 is now (in my opinion) realy good, if you use a good red dot sight, heavy barrel, skeleton or hipfire grip, marksmen kit (gives more ammo) and 6xc conv
3:46 huh i wonder if its gonna hit a guy talking about making more tutorial videos
Snowy i love your videos so much keep going for 100k you'll get there soon :) Keep up the great content i love watching your content
i havent watched u snowy since a while ago when u said you were going on a break idk how long ago but used to watch every video u did for like 2 years but yeah hi!
Gets blasted into the air, "No I Hitmarkered" Lol
Great vid anyway keep going bro.
thank god they reworked the ft300, i used to main it in the past and seemed strange to play but now its really good, if you have 6xc ammo and long barrel on it it gets 4000 velocity and 4 studs of pen (not sure if marksman kit thing that adds 10 rounds in the mag effects that) but yeah its really good now
1:33 CLEAAAAAAN
.375 Cheytac has been excellent at long ranged engagement, much more than default ammo IMO.
Solely because one shot headshot with 3800 velocity is good enough. Torso kill range just doesn't matter much.
My boy intervention took hell of a nerf. 38 RPM sucks, but I'll still use it regardless. I want this change reverted though
Love ur videos! Keep it up! Kinda good at pf rn getting better!
Dude, you can get up to 4,6k velocity on ft300 and it’s so damn accurate. Amazing gun.
NTW-20, 20x110 is as you know, 1 shot all ranges, better muzzle velo, 20x110+heavy barrel gives 42 studs pen and 3000 somewhat muzzle velo
ive gone 30 n 15 in games with the NTW, did fairly well
I used to use an obrezed(short barrel no stock) r700 w half ring sight in CQC and mid-range, the worst part is I had a decent kd with it (at least for me lol)
Glad the m107 wasn’t nerfed even more it still is my fav sniper that i have used. I might like the ntw better but I don’t think ill ever save up the credits to get it, can’t even think of getting it with rank
Honestly I love to do wall bangs because they are pretty funny
Yup I felt this update hit me hard, like usually nerfs aren’t super noticeable, but gosh all the snipers are either okay, or suck now
My poor r700…
r700 barely got changed besides a cool new conversion
whats the r700? me and my boys use that model 700
@@SnowyPF But the -1 minimum damage change! XD
Yay my boi R700 still works great, unfortunately i stopped playing PF due to my horrible computer performance
The Mosin 8mm nerf pisses me off. It's not an effective headshot gun at sniping ranges, it doesn't have the muzzle velocity of something like the Intervention that has shorter body shot range, you now load the magazine INDIVIDUALLY which is actual rectal cancer (the Henry .45-70 is single load, but it has a faster bolt and higher magazine capacity). The only thing the Mosin was good for was playing hard and fast, getting close to the enemy and having lightning fast reflexes to take on multiple targets. Now it can't even do that.
Theres so much gun that when i leave the game, it froze for 4-9 seconds
they canged the bolting anymation on the Intervention because it now has a Straight Pull Bolt when using normals sights like Reflex or Iron Sights
i recently used the sebru slugs and its a beast no sight and green laser is feels like there is no bullet drop, i love it 1 shot head all range like 3 or 4 body tho
AWP conv is useless because of that velocity unless you run bt.
All of these rebalances are so petty when 50 cals still exist with the only nerf so far being ads time
2800 velocity is not bad at all, im sure u could get thr hang of it pretty quickly. 20 more fire rate and 5 extra bullets is 100% worth the damage and velocity tradeoff.
Intervention don't one shot at torso at any range damage is 90 torso multiplier is 1.11 so 99.9 damage at torso.
BFG remains untoutched. i love the bfg, got 5K on it
A NEW MEMBER HAS JOINED THE FT300 FAMILY!!!
When the TRG got nerfed i was about to cry, until i remembered I'm a TRG 22 kit enjoyer and it doesn't even affect me 🤙
Btw the Mosin buff was actually really nice, good job there stylis
Thanks for the amazing content!
Goat Hecate stays the same
If stylis removes or does something similar to an attachment they need to refund it
I remember when they changed the names of the ks23 long barrel and shells then magically I didn’t have them anymore and I didn’t even get a refund
AYYY
SNOWY UPLOAD
The ntw council has something to say
Ever since the FT300 came out, I never thought it was bad besides the garbage 22lr conversion for the sniper rifle
I got on one day (I main the K14 and only the K14 really) and was wondering why the body shot range felt way too short. Now I know why, but honestly I don't really mind, I still find the gun quite fun to use.
Hey Snowy, Were you the youtuber who I commit kamikaze on us few days ago because I said i couldn’t handle your quickscoping? name Milky btw
Edited: I also need to highlight that NTW-20 does have a light barrel before this update, idk if it removed & replace with heavy barrel, as I do not see it on the Ntw anymore
I just hope we can edit our default retacle to what colour we want
common snowy W upload.
me when remington 700 got nerfed: why goodbye by r700 cqc setup
me this update: hello k14 cqc setup
There is an odd glitch I found while using the intervention, where if you somewhat skip the bolt animation it won't let you scope in until you fire another round and finish the animation. Oof.
4:53 less skill, less power, less friends, less reasons to live, less bitches, less rizz
Great video
On the WA2000 please try my setup
OKP-7
muzzle booster
Skeleton grip
Red laser
7.5mm conversion
its effectively just a better k14, more rpm, torso kill range, semi auto and low recoil for a sniper
I actually don't like high zoom irons so I'm the one guy that will use the Mosin alt aim if I'm not using the Malcolm 3x like a hipster
I just started using snipers and the intervention update was perfect for me :)
NTW-20 superiority
i like using rem700 (model700) without sniper scope, like basic rifle
what the hell is the point in nerfing the starter sniper? :/ now they gotta grind levels upon levels just to get another decent sniper. Yikes..
* insert sniper's theme here *
It's funny what the last gun can do
Stylis trying not to make the most questionable and power creeping changes ever (impossible, they can’t balance)
yea
snipers are kind of gud like mosin high velosity
No changes to my favorite gun? SVU-A
never fails to impress!
i love how the mosin got rework
OMG YES
Can you check if the FT300 with default ammo 1 shots torso? The previous stats had a 1 shot torso range of ~60 studs. The new update seems to not have a 1 shot torso range according to the stats; but the gun feels like it has a 1 shot torso when I used it ingame. (75 dmg * 1.33 torso multiplier = 99.75). Maybe its a rounding error with the way the stat is displayed?
it should yeah. the 1.33 is just rounded, actual value is 4/3
@@SnowyPF Thanks 👍
Bruh R700 with 32 ACP? Thats a bloody pistol round smaller than 9mm the hell is that
You making me wanna play p f but i already no longer have the x and four on my keyboard ,i used a pen to press the x key and the four aint working and typing him self when he feels to =(
It's only for me or for you guys too? the bullet cycling of the 2 dragunovs are very slow for me, I need to wait close to 1 sec to shoot it again
snipers a good job mate
I'm a TRG-S user so I hope that conv is still fine
I SAW YOU IN MY SEVER YESTERDAY
although it was before the video because you wre lvl 362
and you said so in chat
so i leave the game for a few months and they nerf one of my favorite snipers (the trg-42) into the trash? i loved that gun because it was just a direct upgrade to the intervention, this limb shot gimmick just makes it a shotgun
Fear me peasants! Cause i am mosin man with no attachments just carbine barrel and dont care about range, i will shoot with low magnification irons on close to long range!
sucks that they nerfed the awm it was so fun
*g o o d m o r n I n g*
22 lr ft300 gives you free s bolt pull
they buffed the NTW? time for me to do some trolling.
Lol he tried to slip in that 6 joke😂
The ak12br with 5.56 i think has 50 bullet but still full auto
So pretty sure im not the only one whos focusing on the game chat right?
snowy what do you think the best sniper is?
Can someone explain to me what 'handeling' exactly means, cause a lot of yt'ers talk abt it when they're talking abt guns and how it's better or worse but I don't really know what it is or how it effects your gun/playstyle
handeling is how the gun handles, for example the walkspeed, aim speed, reload speed, bolt speed etc.
@@bartoszdol ah thank you
I use model 700 in close and far combat i use iron sight
Bro, I didn't play roblox in years and just realized I made a trade with u where I profited, AINT NO WAY LMFAO
NTW 20x110 mains rise up
Well i guess the NTW-20 is the new bfg
Heavy barrel used to be default
Now its an attachment
I got almost a 1000 kills with the model 700
.32 ACP? as in the pistol caliber?
Bruh wtf
(wallbang enthusiast)
HECATE II still ok thanks god