More fleshed out classes, when half the mage spells are bugged or worthless? At least everything works in DA2, there's not a single skill/spell you'd pick to let it rot on your actionbar.
Origins has a great mix of spells but I know primal can be so tempting because of how effective it is but origins did the best mixing damage and crowd control ability’s
IMO The game is a lot more interesting and fun on hard and nightmare. I would do the first run on hard and the next on nightmare once you figure out all of the mechanics/gear priority. On normal and easy a lot of the professions become pointless.
S+ and even S is a bit too high IMO, mostly because if the enemy didn't bring any casters to the party it is literally useless. But when it can be used it is god-tier. Given how annoying enemy casters can be, I would say high A tier.
Blood sacrifice can be used on ranger pets. any blood mage should have zev/ leli as ranger for one of their specs. Also spellbloom is OP on Wynne if you have her at range as a healer. Miasma is also a go-to arcane warrior "taunt" if you don't want to bring a dedicated warrior tank, and it helps greatly with the AW's low hit chance. Mass paralysis is a great alternative to the glyphs for your automated mages that you dont want to micromanage.
Excited to get the real details which will allow me to do a perfect mage run on nightmare, just like I'm trying to do with warrior thanks to the amazing content
Protip if you wanna trivialize the game spellpower (and therefore magic attribute) is the most important stat, don’t grab any willpower. Also get mana clash earlyish, it’s goated
When hearing the analysis, I just thought that there could be a very interesting usage for Blood Sacrifice + Blood Wound. If you have a Reaver in your party, you can use Blood Sacrifice to power up the Frenzy effect so they deal more damage, and blood wound to stun a crowd of enemies. It's risky, I've never tried it personally, but it sounds rather curious...
You helped win me over with Fireball and Fire spells. The early game just -melted- with Fireball, Flamethrower, Winter's Grasp, Cone of Cold, and Blizzard! Thankee! Alleluia!
Mana Clash, Blood Wound and Force Field should all be in a class of their own since all three spells are completely broken in this game and together trivialize almost every encounter.
This is an amazing list! I'm now fully expecting a tier list for Warrior abilities, Rogue abilities, and talents. I'd suggest companions and romances as well, though those lists would have to likely encompass all three games.
I also disagree on Mass Rejuvenation: This ability was WONDERFUL on Nightmare difficulty in many situations for a 3 Mage group since it let us keep our spells flowing without needing to use consumables.
That’s perfectly valid I try to consider three mage playthroughs in my invigorate ranking but it’s not exactly a common team plus my stance that lyrium potions exist still stand
@@CommanderFawkes I agree with the stance that single target damage is useful and avoids the pain of friendly fire. I also wonder how useful Glyph of Paralysis is compared to Mind Stun since GoP is mostly single target and Mind Stun is or was party friendly.
My god, how I wish we could just get another Origins style game instead of whatever the fuck Veilguard is. Please just give me a game where I can use Blood Magic, Spirit Healer, Arcane Warrior/Knight Enchanter, Necromancy and something cool like Veil Magic maybe. Stop removing core components of the world "because its hard to implement" and then reshuffling Force Mage and Primal Magic abilities ever entry, and completely changing the combat system every 1 game and 10 years.
@@Dragonage2ftw oh yeah god forbid liling a series for its original identity and taking issue with a tactical crog getting turned into a character action game with little to none of the interesting world elements like blood magic. What a shit head I am.
Was looking for this comment, the only good thing about DA Failguard was made me discover Origins. What a mindblowing game! Impossible to imagine a game nowadays where you can sacrifice a mother to save her child, achieving this entering the "hell" (fade) where you can fight the demon to release the child's body, or make a (fair!) deal to demon keep the child and learn forbidden blood magic in the process and becoming the god of spells. You can even choose to make love with the demon, literally a wtf game lol.
@@thelearningmachine_Back in the day it was pretty common for games to have "evil" choices and such. It was made by gamers for gamers, and they understood that it's just a game meant to be fun and allow for rpg oppertunites. Around 2012 or so the industry started to change (I have my theory as to why) and got gradually worse since. Dragon Age Origins is my favorite game of all time and I don't see that changing any time soon. It's just amazing, and with mods even better.
Thanks for the videos! Love them. Would you be able to ask Biden and the gang if they could please do a tier list for the major characters, and another for the main story quests in DA: O? Like what PrimeRadiancy did for the major Mass Effect missions?
Fireball was my mage MC's opening play about 80% of the time. Even if the damage is negligible, the knockdown is usually worth it to buy my team a couple seconds to get in position. "Wait, do you hear that? I sounds like..." "Sounds like me casting Fireball."
This was awesome. Really shed some light on the mechanics of spells I never tried before. I’ll be doing a new run of a mage now! Do u think there is potential in doing a ranking the other class skill trees? I’m interested for what the boys think of the rogue class. Just a thought!
I might but the tier list would be ranked a little differently since theirs less point efficiency needed for warriors and rogues unlike mages who have more options and need to spend points wisely
@@CommanderFawkes true. Very true. Maybe add build types? Like dual wielding warrior or bow rogue vs two handed rogue? Idk, everything u have put out has been awesome so I’ll just stand by like everyone else. Thanks for all you do for us DA fans
I'd say, bioware really did something interesting with debuffing auras in DA:O, like, you could stack several area debuffs (leliana's captivating song, shale's stone aura, miasma on your MC) to really ruin the day of anyone who comes into your cozy area of "no fun allowed here", but keeper's "forest" is definitely weakest of the bunch.
What you said about glyph of warding actualy hurts my soul. That spell is an absolute must have for any of my runs and i almost exclusivly use it for my melee characters. When they are stationary and mobing on an enaky they are completly unkillable*
@@CommanderFawkes Mana Clash seems like a solid B or C. It's situational and expensive, but when it works, it works well! (When it doesn't work, it does nothing.)
i know its tedious to build around the spells that make you sheathe your sword for AW, but i feel like it's worth it to become (IMO) the best tank in the game. i normally just bring along wynn and sometimes morrigan to handle my destruction and healing. An arcane warrior with a sword might do less damage, but they're still tankier and deal more damage than most warrior builds.
Can't think of a comment, so, following your instructions, I'll say my favorite spell is Cone of Cold - I like freezing enemies, especially multiple at once
Love the idea and the video, but you didn’t let the presidents argue enough, which kind of removes their personalities. They always immediately agree on the tier choice, which then feels like YOUR tier choice. It would be better if the presidents would disagree more. But still, love the video!
You can have sex with bear in DAO. You need to use console and runscript appearance 8 (or 9 there is different bears) and go on, speak to your loved one
What hyper substance is CommanderFawkes on? A week ago he finshed the orgins part pumps outs 20 hour supercuts and then slams dunks this hour and a half video into our skulls.
Mass Paralysis a B tier? I get the cast time but being able to taunt a group of enemies in close then leave all of them motionless in a hail storm or inferno was glorious.
Oh, speaking of Mages wearing armor, when you start Awakening you must rebuild your character because by default the Hero of Fereldan is supposed to die in Origins, but for some reason this carries over to Wardens that lived. So if you had the Dual Weapon Mastery perk on your Origins Warden and had two longswords equipped, you can change to a mage when you respec so you can have a dual longsword wielding, heavy armored mage and in Origins, casting spells isn't reliant on having a staff equipped (though you of course don't get access to any staff exclusive benefits) so you can still use all of your spells.
@@mycastephens4987 nope, Hero dying is canon. 1: What I said about having to remake your character when starting Awakening. 2 in DAI the default codex entry for the Hero is that they died slaying the Archdemon.
@@CommanderFawkes that's absolutely true but it's also incredibly funny taking 3 mages and getting 3 zombies from the opening fight of a large area. I do think it's a shame that Dragon Age never dabbled in zombies or even summons in general after Origins. Same for the shapeshifter which was awful but so cool if they just worked with it
@@LanceAxel Never tried Animate Dead but ranger is my favorite spell in the game. If you get a party of 3 rangers and get song of courage, you have an incredible party that deals massive damage. I would imagine having 3 zombie pets and a rogue with song of courage to be a really strong party combo
5:07 I mean, I'm not going to tell people how to play the game, but the intention of Arcane Warrior is supposed to use sustained spells and not direct damage spells. The point of the Arcane Warrior is to use crowd control and buff spells. Why would you go Arcane Warrior and then focus on DPS spells when the DPS is literally the weapon you're supposed to be wielding like a Warrior?
Because I wanted to be as detailed as possible with this tier list and I wanted my charecters to debate the pros and cons of each spell. My content in almost it’s entirety is long form as well
Yeah I'm not really excited for valguard I know I said I'd buy it on the first day however I think I'm just going to watch you first and see if I'm willing to buy it or not.
Can you PLEASE make presidents play a game that is not a "dragon age" piece of shit pls? would be fantastic thanks! world of warcraft vanilla or maybe bg3? fuck dragon age its garbage.
Hey man cool opinion but this is a dragon age channel , the last videos on this channel for years has been dragon age and the title of the video is dragon age. Plenty of other presidents channels to see because I love dragon age and its community !
Thank god for the disclaimer. I really thought Donald Trump, Barack Obama and Joe Biden really jumped on disc to rank DA:O spells. Im pooping on the need for the Disclaimer, not the creator.
Man being a mage in dragon age origins and awakening was fucking awesome felt like a god if you do the right spells
Yeah between battle mage the increased level cap and increased elemental damage cap and some broken gear awakening mages can pop off !
Yea especially if Yu just get to a point where Yu can spam storm of the century makes most fights a cake walk
I hate and love how more fleshed out Origins/Awakening classes were than 2 and Inq.
Game developers really started doubting player’s intelligence once the 2010s hit and with that went fleshed out mechanics
@@CommanderFawkesI blame vine and tiktok
@@CommanderFawkes actually so true. i feel like CRPGs have been getting easier and easier
@@CommanderFawkesplay an owlcat pathfinder game that will scratch your itch
More fleshed out classes, when half the mage spells are bugged or worthless? At least everything works in DA2, there's not a single skill/spell you'd pick to let it rot on your actionbar.
Now we need tier lists for the other classes
Would be very nice
Oh my god this is amazing and so detailed. Pausing my billionth DAO playthrough to watch this.
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I mostly play on the casual difficulties but your playthrough and now this video is making me consider spells that I've never taken before.
Origins has a great mix of spells but I know primal can be so tempting because of how effective it is but origins did the best mixing damage and crowd control ability’s
IMO The game is a lot more interesting and fun on hard and nightmare. I would do the first run on hard and the next on nightmare once you figure out all of the mechanics/gear priority. On normal and easy a lot of the professions become pointless.
Nightmare becomes too easier once you understand how the game works. Solo nightmare is the true challenge.
I think Mana Clash is S+. To support this argument, I will ask only that you imagine what it would be like if enemies had Mana Clash.
Pretty sure some enemies do have it. I've been 1 shot by it in the mage tower
Sure, but pretty much zero enemies have it so it's a moot point
Being able to take out every spellcaster on the field before your party gets fireballed is definitely S+ tier
S+ and even S is a bit too high IMO, mostly because if the enemy didn't bring any casters to the party it is literally useless. But when it can be used it is god-tier. Given how annoying enemy casters can be, I would say high A tier.
Mana Clash can literally one hit a mage. HARD from useless. Lol people were dumb.
Blood sacrifice can be used on ranger pets. any blood mage should have zev/ leli as ranger for one of their specs. Also spellbloom is OP on Wynne if you have her at range as a healer. Miasma is also a go-to arcane warrior "taunt" if you don't want to bring a dedicated warrior tank, and it helps greatly with the AW's low hit chance. Mass paralysis is a great alternative to the glyphs for your automated mages that you dont want to micromanage.
Excited to get the real details which will allow me to do a perfect mage run on nightmare, just like I'm trying to do with warrior thanks to the amazing content
That was my goal!! hope I can give everyone stronger mage runs
Protip if you wanna trivialize the game spellpower (and therefore magic attribute) is the most important stat, don’t grab any willpower.
Also get mana clash earlyish, it’s goated
Oh yea, I have been waiting for someone to do dragon age tier list.
When hearing the analysis, I just thought that there could be a very interesting usage for Blood Sacrifice + Blood Wound. If you have a Reaver in your party, you can use Blood Sacrifice to power up the Frenzy effect so they deal more damage, and blood wound to stun a crowd of enemies. It's risky, I've never tried it personally, but it sounds rather curious...
Thanks!
Thank you for more President content, Fawkes. I can't wait for more to feed my DA addiction like a Templar huffs lyrium vapors.
My own DA addiction keeps me focused on pumping out these videos I feel you
I had no idea that I needed this thank you
You helped win me over with Fireball and Fire spells. The early game just -melted- with Fireball, Flamethrower, Winter's Grasp, Cone of Cold, and Blizzard!
Thankee! Alleluia!
Loving all of these POTUS vids. New subscriber, and loving it. Can't wait to see warrior and rogue vids!
The detail on this is crazy good shit !!
Mana Clash, Blood Wound and Force Field should all be in a class of their own since all three spells are completely broken in this game and together trivialize almost every encounter.
I wish I could make my warden talk with those voices to choose from lol.
Now finally caught up to everything DA Presidents! great work and tierlist!
Awesome video, now I want to do another playthrough of Origins lol.
I would put this video in the S-tier.
Chain Lightning not scaling in its damage when it's obviously intended as a damage spell makes it seem like C or D tier.
Holy shit, I definitely didn't expect this
Expect the unexpected !
I've always loved the petrify crushing prism combo. You just feel like a peak mage when you pull it off.
This is an amazing list! I'm now fully expecting a tier list for Warrior abilities, Rogue abilities, and talents. I'd suggest companions and romances as well, though those lists would have to likely encompass all three games.
My dude you put content out so fast I just finished the DAO movie to see this on my feed
Trying to stay on a solid schedule for you all !
Great video. Very informative, excellent flavor.
This is great. Good overall list as well.
this is the best video algorithm offer to me
I loved!
Tier list rogue and warrior pls.
I also disagree on Mass Rejuvenation: This ability was WONDERFUL on Nightmare difficulty in many situations for a 3 Mage group since it let us keep our spells flowing without needing to use consumables.
That’s perfectly valid I try to consider three mage playthroughs in my invigorate ranking but it’s not exactly a common team plus my stance that lyrium potions exist still stand
@@CommanderFawkes I agree with the stance that single target damage is useful and avoids the pain of friendly fire. I also wonder how useful Glyph of Paralysis is compared to Mind Stun since GoP is mostly single target and Mind Stun is or was party friendly.
@@CommanderFawkes What say you to rating the non-Mage talents - Fighter, Rogue, Dog, Golem, etc.?
Thankee!
Oh fuck yes, this is exactly what I needed to watch 🤩🤩🤩 cone of cold and fireball better be S-Tier though
Based rankings
I really enjoyed this
Enjoy your vacation mate you deserve it
Thank you !!
My god, how I wish we could just get another Origins style game instead of whatever the fuck Veilguard is. Please just give me a game where I can use Blood Magic, Spirit Healer, Arcane Warrior/Knight Enchanter, Necromancy and something cool like Veil Magic maybe. Stop removing core components of the world "because its hard to implement" and then reshuffling Force Mage and Primal Magic abilities ever entry, and completely changing the combat system every 1 game and 10 years.
Ew, an Origins bro.
Shoo!
Shoo!!!
@@Dragonage2ftw oh yeah god forbid liling a series for its original identity and taking issue with a tactical crog getting turned into a character action game with little to none of the interesting world elements like blood magic. What a shit head I am.
@@Dragonage2ftwget ratio'd
Was looking for this comment, the only good thing about DA Failguard was made me discover Origins. What a mindblowing game! Impossible to imagine a game nowadays where you can sacrifice a mother to save her child, achieving this entering the "hell" (fade) where you can fight the demon to release the child's body, or make a (fair!) deal to demon keep the child and learn forbidden blood magic in the process and becoming the god of spells. You can even choose to make love with the demon, literally a wtf game lol.
@@thelearningmachine_Back in the day it was pretty common for games to have "evil" choices and such. It was made by gamers for gamers, and they understood that it's just a game meant to be fun and allow for rpg oppertunites.
Around 2012 or so the industry started to change (I have my theory as to why) and got gradually worse since. Dragon Age Origins is my favorite game of all time and I don't see that changing any time soon. It's just amazing, and with mods even better.
Thanks for the videos! Love them. Would you be able to ask Biden and the gang if they could please do a tier list for the major characters, and another for the main story quests in DA: O? Like what PrimeRadiancy did for the major Mass Effect missions?
Fireball was my mage MC's opening play about 80% of the time. Even if the damage is negligible, the knockdown is usually worth it to buy my team a couple seconds to get in position.
"Wait, do you hear that? I sounds like..."
"Sounds like me casting Fireball."
13:47
Not OBJECTIVELY evil. Merrill uses it and the egg is like “it’s just a tool”.
Goated content
This was awesome. Really shed some light on the mechanics of spells I never tried before. I’ll be doing a new run of a mage now! Do u think there is potential in doing a ranking the other class skill trees? I’m interested for what the boys think of the rogue class. Just a thought!
I might but the tier list would be ranked a little differently since theirs less point efficiency needed for warriors and rogues unlike mages who have more options and need to spend points wisely
@@CommanderFawkes true. Very true. Maybe add build types? Like dual wielding warrior or bow rogue vs two handed rogue? Idk, everything u have put out has been awesome so I’ll just stand by like everyone else. Thanks for all you do for us DA fans
Make Presidents play antvdiscuss Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. It will be glorious.
i legit cannot wait for the dragon age 2 playthrough
very good tier list, thank you, like
I'd say, bioware really did something interesting with debuffing auras in DA:O, like, you could stack several area debuffs (leliana's captivating song, shale's stone aura, miasma on your MC) to really ruin the day of anyone who comes into your cozy area of "no fun allowed here", but keeper's "forest" is definitely weakest of the bunch.
Cleansing aura is my favourite spell. Running it on arcane warrior is just top, especially in a melee leaning party.
This is very informative it should help me play better thank you
This video was very helpful during my recent playthrough. Any plans to make other tier lists for other classes ? Or mages in the sequels at least?
The best spell is the two handed rogue backstab
Fair no counter to a knife in the back
you guys need to speed up the movie making!!! cant wait for awakening.
Id like to see a ranking slash tier list of all the specializations in each game
What you said about glyph of warding actualy hurts my soul. That spell is an absolute must have for any of my runs and i almost exclusivly use it for my melee characters. When they are stationary and mobing on an enaky they are completly unkillable*
Favorite Spell in Origins and it carries to all 3 game: Winters Grasp.
Also can we get an updated discord link. I'd love to join!
Loved it
I would love to see a specialization tier list
Mommy Morrigan? What?
PS: Thankee for the in-depth spell analysis!
Need to watch my dragon age origin series to get that one !
@@CommanderFawkes Mana Clash seems like a solid B or C. It's situational and expensive, but when it works, it works well! (When it doesn't work, it does nothing.)
While I'm a Warrior main like Donald, I always love getting the full Hex tree for Morrigan for a nice swamp witch RP
i know its tedious to build around the spells that make you sheathe your sword for AW, but i feel like it's worth it to become (IMO) the best tank in the game. i normally just bring along wynn and sometimes morrigan to handle my destruction and healing. An arcane warrior with a sword might do less damage, but they're still tankier and deal more damage than most warrior builds.
Where tf is my boy W?
Cone of cold is literally my favorite spell in the entire game.
Can't think of a comment, so, following your instructions, I'll say my favorite spell is Cone of Cold - I like freezing enemies, especially multiple at once
Cone of cold and fireball are always the best choice
They just dont make games like this anymore with so many spells. The exception might be Baldurs gate 3, which i haven't played.
Also not that it really matters but in Skyrim lightning spells does magicka damage, and cold spells do stamina damage.
LOL that was funny.
Now I want to play Dragonage with Donald Tramp 😂
Please do inquisition ik 2 would come next but I really wanna see inquisition now🔥
Love the idea and the video, but you didn’t let the presidents argue enough, which kind of removes their personalities. They always immediately agree on the tier choice, which then feels like YOUR tier choice. It would be better if the presidents would disagree more. But still, love the video!
Cant think of comment. My favorite spell is fireball such a classic i just love explosions
Best spell in dnd and best spell in origins
You can have sex with bear in DAO. You need to use console and runscript appearance 8 (or 9 there is different bears) and go on, speak to your loved one
What hyper substance is CommanderFawkes on? A week ago he finshed the orgins part pumps outs 20 hour supercuts and then slams dunks this hour and a half video into our skulls.
I can’t reveal my entire hand now. let’s just say it makes the lyrium Cullen is on seem like sugar pills
Mass Paralysis a B tier? I get the cast time but being able to taunt a group of enemies in close then leave all of them motionless in a hail storm or inferno was glorious.
Waiting for Rogue skill tierlist now 😶
Will you do spell combos?
Stone fist is goated
Oh, speaking of Mages wearing armor, when you start Awakening you must rebuild your character because by default the Hero of Fereldan is supposed to die in Origins, but for some reason this carries over to Wardens that lived. So if you had the Dual Weapon Mastery perk on your Origins Warden and had two longswords equipped, you can change to a mage when you respec so you can have a dual longsword wielding, heavy armored mage and in Origins, casting spells isn't reliant on having a staff equipped (though you of course don't get access to any staff exclusive benefits) so you can still use all of your spells.
The hero dying is canon?
No. Doing the ritual is canon because Kieran is alive. You can have Alistair or Logain do it but I don't think that's canon.
@@themediumcheese yeah, look at the DAI codex
@@mycastephens4987 nope, Hero dying is canon. 1: What I said about having to remake your character when starting Awakening. 2 in DAI the default codex entry for the Hero is that they died slaying the Archdemon.
I thought the whole point of choice games is to make your own canon?! Not stick to any developers pre-sets!
Lightning does (100.0 + Spellpower) * 30% damage, which is 30 + Spellpower * 30%, not 100 + Spellpower * 30% .
You right it gets hard for the ai to get the correct sequence sometimes some fell through the cracks
Animate Dead is actually my favorite spell in the game but I agree it's sort of bad and basically a bad Ranger ability
Animate is cool narratively and for rp but in a night mare playthrough it feels like a waste of point investment and mana
@@CommanderFawkes that's absolutely true but it's also incredibly funny taking 3 mages and getting 3 zombies from the opening fight of a large area. I do think it's a shame that Dragon Age never dabbled in zombies or even summons in general after Origins. Same for the shapeshifter which was awful but so cool if they just worked with it
@@LanceAxel Never tried Animate Dead but ranger is my favorite spell in the game. If you get a party of 3 rangers and get song of courage, you have an incredible party that deals massive damage. I would imagine having 3 zombie pets and a rogue with song of courage to be a really strong party combo
My game is rigged by democrats.
5:07 I mean, I'm not going to tell people how to play the game, but the intention of Arcane Warrior is supposed to use sustained spells and not direct damage spells. The point of the Arcane Warrior is to use crowd control and buff spells. Why would you go Arcane Warrior and then focus on DPS spells when the DPS is literally the weapon you're supposed to be wielding like a Warrior?
Can you give me a pdf please of this?
Oh like the final tier list ranking ? If you join the discord I can post if
@@CommanderFawkes Sure
Why is this an hour and a half. It could be 30 minutes..
Because I wanted to be as detailed as possible with this tier list and I wanted my charecters to debate the pros and cons of each spell. My content in almost it’s entirety is long form as well
Better get some mods to fix the game. The vanilla base game has just too many bugs and is poorly balanced.
All the most glaring ones I’ve already patched with mods rest assured !
Yeah I'm not really excited for valguard I know I said I'd buy it on the first day however I think I'm just going to watch you first and see if I'm willing to buy it or not.
Can you PLEASE make presidents play a game that is not a "dragon age" piece of shit pls? would be fantastic thanks! world of warcraft vanilla or maybe bg3? fuck dragon age its garbage.
Hey man cool opinion but this is a dragon age channel , the last videos on this channel for years has been dragon age and the title of the video is dragon age. Plenty of other presidents channels to see because I love dragon age and its community !
Thank god for the disclaimer.
I really thought Donald Trump, Barack Obama and Joe Biden really jumped on disc to rank DA:O spells.
Im pooping on the need for the Disclaimer, not the creator.