How to Clean Roman Coins with the Composite Cleaning Pencil - Metal Detecting UK 2022
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Cleaning Roman Coins found Metal Detecting UK with the Composite Cleaning Pencil... with some success!
Cleaning Metal Detecting Finds and Coins can be done incredibly successfully with this tool providing you use it correctly!
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Alexander von Westenholz
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Nooooooooooo. You know my opinions on cleaning coins!!😂
Do you metal detect? Do you really want to be looking at that cruddy coin when you know more detail is below? Do you BUY them in that condition??!! NO! We find them like that they are worthless anyway - where is the harm in bringing some detail back??!!!!!!! My God if only to identify it - I bet you dont buy unidentified coins??!!! 😂😁😂
@@HolzhammerLite in my defence I have been doing metal detecting for years and yes I do find cruddy coins. And part of the fun is identifying them no matter how bad the condition is. I keep me metal detecting coins separate from my other coin collection and I think it’s more fun that way!😂You are removing part of the history of the coin when you clean it so that’s why I don’t. And I actually do buy some unidentified coins occasionally if I think I stand a chance at identifying them. 😂😂😂
@@CoinCollector I understand and I respect your point of view but then it stands, in your opinion, that therefore nothing.... cars, jewellery, ancient artefacts, houses, outsides of buildings etc. etc.should be cleaned if you think that that dirt adds to an objects "history" - if you dug a gold ring incrusted in 1000 years of ground would you allow yourself to remove it? Thats 1000 years of muddy history... the reason a grotty Roman is a grotty roman is that it has 2000 years of muddy history round it...
does cleaning coins with water ruin them too
@@CoinCollector completely disagree mate. The coin's history stopped at the time it was lost in the ground and then revived again when it was found. What happened in between was crust formation that can be removed. If you go to Glastonbury and return back home, will you not remove your newly acquired 'history' under a shower or would you keep it till you go 6ft under? If a coin has detail below the crust, it must be cleaned to reveal the real history of the coin. Speaking as a metal detectorist with a bit of nautical archaeology training...
Well done young man 😁👍. I love the way you interject detecting videos with these educational ones - very interesting and helpful. I use those pens and associated products such as the wax. In fact Graham Dempsey, who designed and markets these digs with our club (South Northants MD). He's a really nice bloke. I have quite a stock of it as Graham lets the club buy at a discount and we use them as raffle prizes😁. I love the brass brush inserts, if you use them very gently they're great at removing the initial very heavy crud, allowing you to then use the black or white pen inserts. Hope all otherwise well with you, and once again, as I know you put a lot of time and effort in producing these videos, many thanks: they keep me entertained👍
He seems like a very nice place a gym but I am yet to meet him one day I hope! And it is a great piece of kit isn't it? The wax and fluid are brilliant too - Clever Graham! And thanks as always for the support Adrian - means a lot, All the Best, Alexander
I wasn't sure what to expect from this - having heard all of the contradictory "clean/never clean" statements across social media. I'm a fan of Graham and the Composite Cleaning Pencil, so to have a really good, informative user video is great. Time to pull a few of my romans out of their cases.
Thanks Derek, I'm glad that may have helped a bit! It's definitely a useful piece of kit and one to have in one's armoury! Thank you very much for watching and hope all well, all the best Alexander
Hi Alex: For the approximate one hundred Roman coins that I have, I used an ultrasonic cleaner. I used the recommended jewelry diluted cleaning solution and had exceptional results. This approach is non-contact and non-destructive. To preserve the cleaned coin, I use Renaissance Micro-Crystalline Wax Polish which is specific for restoration and conservation purposes. Hope this helps.
Best - Michael
Thank you very much Michael very interesting and something I will definitely try - hope all well and thanks for watching; All the Best, Alexander
I've heard ultrasonic cleaners can take off the patina under the crud too. Have you had that issue?
Or is it just a problem depending on the cleaner
@@diamonddigs6206
Thanks for the question. Having cleaned over 500 Roman coins using an ultrsonic cleaner, I have not experienced any degradation to the patina of these coins, only soil material was removed. Hope this helps.
Like the caveat to judge your coin first before deciding on the clean vs don’t clean. Most found are for the finders enjoyment (in my opinion) but occasionally the find transcends the individual to be a rare find. One needs to evaluate what you have before proceeding. Thanks for the video!
I completely agree... some people are very anti cleaning especially the old silver coins we find… I quite like cleaning things up to be a little bit as they would have been in their original condition… But not too much more! Thank you very much for watching and for your thoughts - All the Best, Alexander
Hi Alex i wish this information was around 40 years ago when i first started detecting i am shamed to say i ruined a couple of coins using an abrasive pen by pressing down too hard .another top informative video thanks for taking time to show .its appreciated
I think we have all b***ered up coin or two but thats not a bad thing as we then know what NOT to do and hopefully learn from the mistakes.... hopefully we haven't damaged priceless coins in doing so though!!!! Thanks for watching Bob - hope all well1
Hey Alex n Task, this was a really helpful vid , ty👍. I do have this pencil, however, after seeing your slant on things I can relate to my ventures with an enlightened understanding , especially on how to approach the various conditions of a particular coin, in short , I can now see where I may have gone wrong 😂, cheers Alex,G.
Oh good Garry, glad its been helpful.... we have all bu**ered up a coin or two over the years.... Hope lall well and thanks for watching!
Loved the vid . I will refer back to it if and when I find a blooming decent Roman. Great show 👌🏻
Ha! Thanks Liam - hope all well!
Excellent video Alexander 👍👍more of these please 👍👍
Thanks Rob and thanks for the thumbs up!
I use a cocktail stick, with generous amounts of olive oil and rinse in distilled water when finished. About 4 hours each side of a coin. 9:02
Well done you! 😁
Very interesting video Alexander. Thank you for posting. Regards, John.
Thanks for watching John - hope all well!
I found my first Roman yesterday, I've got one of these pens. Going to try cleaning it tonight 😀
Thanks for the video.
well done Daniel good to hear - go VERY carefully and lightly you don't want to ruin your first coin!!!!
@@HolzHammerSagas Thank you.. I got too scared. I think I may be damaging it, so I'm going to leave it.
As you said, I don't want to ruin my first coin. I have put some renaissance wax on it, and put it in a case... I can see part of a face on it... that will do me.
When I find another one in better condition, I will clean it up.
This one is too frail.
Thanks again.
That came up really well nicely done too took your time, as it should be
Thanks Suggs! Hope all well!
Thanks Alex, I will give this pencil a go. I see someone mentioned ultrasonic cleaning, that too will make a very interesting video if you haven't already made one? I imagine you will be as interested in that as all of us.
Not sure about ultrasonic Colin sounds a bit technical! But I think you'll enjoy the pencil once you get the hang of it go easy!
Oooh those look good pens mr A....will take a look later
I have some renaissance wax which is good, but will take a look at ther stuff you have there too
cheers
Its not bad their stuff - less of a chalky residue I think I prefer it but then I also think renaissance wax is a bit overrated its like no-one uses anything else!± Hope all well Bruce!
Interesting stuff. Thanks Alex👍
Thanks Mick! Hope all well
Alexander I refer people to your video all the time . Excellent video mate 👍
Thanks Graham - its doing rather well that video! I will do another one soon concentrating on slightly later coins... hope all well!
Thank you, Alex. I always wondered about using these pencils. Now I know. Cheers 🍻
Thanks Robert glad its been a help! Hope all well!
Great video, A. All I could add to that would be to ID the coin as soon as possible so you know what's likely to be underneath the crud.👍
Good point Bruce thank you - hope all well!
I make the cleaning solution for Graham, I've been restoring ancient coins and artefacts for years now, also commissions from private collectors and museums more recently.
I would highly recommend using a microscope rather than a magnifying glass, for coins that are crumbling slightly especially, also using a microscope eliminates much if not all of the scratching or damage, ensures any softer areas are inspected & treated properly, speeds up the cleaning process and also brings you really fine detail.
You can pick up a 10X zoom stereo microscope for £30 online and it will last years.
Also a tip with the solution is to slowly add it to the coin forming a bubble, leave for 20 mins and use either the black tip or white tip depending on the encrustation, once you hit dry dirt again under the scope, wipe with a microfiber cloth and repeat the process, however with the "skin" off now leaving the fluid bubble on the coin is 5 to 10 mins as the solution soaks in much quicker.
Great video as always. We have a hard hobby don't we? First finding coins and then finding the way how to best clean them. I am sure most of us have their own routine. Instead of water I use olive oil to clean my coins, often I leave the coins in a bath of olive oil for a day or so and then gently rub the coin with similar gear as you are using. True, now and then you harm a coin but I am one of those that pushes hard to identify a coin, I know coin collectors have a different view and I respect that but my fun is partly the identification process. Greetings from Spain.
Hi Corne and thanks for watching - where in Spain are you? I lived there for a few years ( Madrid mainly) I love it and still go to the Cadiz region a lot! I don't understand the serious coin collectors' mentality... I don't clean a coin that doesnt need it or in my opinion would not benefit from it even if it is in poor condition but those that I think would benefit from a gentle clean then I really don't see the problem - in all honesty I quite like to get them in the sort of condition they would have been in in their natural lifetime! All the Best, Alexander
@@HolzhammerLite I am near Barcelona. Love your videos, must be a lot of work! Also appreciate you answering to all the reactions. If you get more followers this will become a full time job ;) Jealous on your hunting grounds, you seem to find good lands. I sometimes try a new plot and find absolutely nothing, it doesn´t matter though I already enjoy being out. Take care!
Be nice to see you do a range of coins good video 👍
Its so funny Jesse sometimes its hars to get enough footage on days in the field ... with these coin cleaning ones i struggle to keep them down to a normal length and thats just two coins!!!! Thanks for watching!
@@HolzHammerSagas worth watching and good learning curve 👍
Hi Alex would love to see the rose farthing cleaned up. Great video as always. Andy
I'll do one soon they come up surprisingly well with it! Hope all well and thank you for watching!
Very nice info. Not a coin collector but really enjoyed the info.👍
Thanks Gil! Hope all well!
🙏 Great stuff thanks Alex! 🙏 ‘and really helpful now I am a serious Detectorist 😄 - (I’m out on my first proper big dig with the DEUS this Saturday). Super Excited here, Bobby 🌺🎶
Hey Bobby! How exciting! Let me know how you get on! All the Best, Alexander
Great video would love to see how you clean the Georgian Penny/half Penny 😀
Thanks Lesley - I will do a Georgian one soon! Hope all well and thanks for watching! All the Best, Alexander
Just ordered my magic wand
Thanks A.🙏 Very useful and I will buy this equipment. Also a stereomicroscope. Have you any experience of using glass fibre pencils/brushes? Are used in electrical cirquits etc if I get it wright.
I also watched your latest cleaning vid. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
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To people who are worried about cleaning coins. Never clean more modern coins. However cleaning ancient coins is fine. You can't even see them most times.
Great video 👏🏻😊 I’d love to see a video on cleaning jetons/ tokens xx
Hi Michelle - I have had some success with lemon juice but literally for seconds…. Minute at most and then take it out and get all the juice off or the acid will keep reacting then rub it with some clear wax or renaissance wax with a cloth maybe a bit of a toothpick too… maybe I’ll do a video as you suggest!
@@HolzhammerLite aww thank you so much for that 😊 and yes please do a video. Love your videos xx
Ottime info per la pulizia
I would guess (no knowledge) that an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner would simplify the process, but possibly seek research as to best chemical to use based on metal content of coin. Inexpensive hydrogen peroxide will clean a lot of metals, and mild acids (lemon juice) or oxalic acid (active ingredient in Calcium Lime Rust remover may chemically lift crud without scratching the metal. I've observed Archeologist using natural thorns the same way you are using the pen tips with the basic idea that the point will remove dirt and crud without scratching the metal. PS That magnifier looks spectacular! Cheers
That's the crux of it Rhett; to use whatever you think best which won't actually scratch or mark the surface of the coin itself - I have tried an ultrasonic cleaner not with much success but it might not have been a very good one! And yes the magnifier is spectacular that's the best word for it! Hope all well and thank you very much for watching, All the Best, Alexander
Thanks to you, I now have a use for the Blackthorn hedges that surround my home. Their thorns are lethal but might just be perfect for cleaning.
Can you remove the encrusted dirt by soaking the coin in distilled water?
So many things you can do Tucker! Yes that will work too... to a degree! Hope all well
Think its a Lot of Work, staying with German
Hans metodh. But its a decision from coin
To coin. Value can drop like cars patina removed. Thankey tuulitoo😚🔝😜
toodoloo to you too!
fantastic video keep em coming ATB #scottishrelics
Good ha bhai Jan 👍
Why did you use black one on second coin if it damages them so easily?
Hi Gavin, I wasn't sure how the second coin would react and it wasn't a particularly special one anyway so I was willing to risk it! It really won't damage up "hard" coin but you can never be sure how hard it is until you start… hope all well and thank you very much for watching, All the Best, Alexander
Thanks for teply. I do enjoy watching your video's. So many finds is fascinating. Im sure you need my help 😆
Had my first denarius silver today, Alex. (It's on the Hub)
Not a lot of silver showing and I'm rather scared to touch it. It's in great condition on one side but brownie colour. Someone told electrosis 😮😮
Any thoughts?
Have you tried blackthorn thorns yet ?
Not yet!
Experience shows.
Ha! Thanks David - hope so and hope all well!
I did not know bronze could end up so soft.
Yes it really can Cyndye… I suppose it's something to do with the actual alloy of the bronze itself when it comes to Roman coins some are very coppery but they are usually termed "bronze" I think it's called bronze disease but I'm not sure quite how that works you may have to look it up! Hope all well and All the Best!
I use nothing to clean the coins, just a toothpick to remove the dirt, if it is too crusty or bad preserved, I gite them to my friend (lazy...)
some electrolysis first makes a big difference Alex
thanks Steve I'm a bit wary on using it on bronze/copper I have completely ruined some coins that way.....! maybe a quick zap...
Best is electrolysis using professional equipment!
Thanks Kingston - do you really use electrolysis on 2000 year old crumbly Roman bronze coins??!!! I am happy to use it on silver but not bronze but everyone to their own.... I have completely destroyed bronze roman coins with electrolysis even the smallest amounts so its not for me !
When you say professional equipment what do you mean? Thanks
@@HolzHammerSagas Yep and older! Since 1989!! Took a few years to piece together all the info required from official bodies eg even BM etc and commissioned equipment to be built and asked ICI as it was then called for further info which their Lab head scientist provided gratis & free samples and have been using ever since, off and on. Only took me a few weeks to master the process. You can also repatinate in various ways as artists working with metals do...... nothing difficult. Mostly on copper. Most who know how won't tell you as it is in their professional/financial interests to limit this knowledge and why should they disclose trade secrets. Persist, most give up too soon as in most areas of life, when there is ALL the evidence in plain sight that it is achievable.
So what if you destroy coins that are worthless as they are to learn. Do you realise how many ancients exist??? Heaps!!
It only took me a few attempts to work it to 'acceptable' and over several weeks to determine the fine tuning required and later by sight which coins are not worth the effort as they were too far gone or too common and not of sufficient value.
The book that got me started was: "ROMAN COINS and how to collect them" by John Fox, Longman London & NY 1983
ISBN 0-582-50309-4 (pbk) and in particular, Part VII Cleaning bronze and copper by electrolysis on page 180
www.amazon.com/Roman-Coins-How-Collect-Them/dp/0582503094
Got it at Foyles Bookstore in London late 1980's. I am not from the UK was a frequent visitor. It is NOT the be all but a good place to start your research.
Remember at that time there was NO internet to research through. Hope this helps.
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@@HolzhammerLite do you spik arbek
@@user-yo6ge4zf3uI am sorry but no
If I clean roman and Greece coins with water or anything will lose their values
Доброго дня , покажіть свою колекцію денаріів .
Buy microscope
Might well do thanks zyng