Toby - thanks for the excellent coverage! Bali has some really well-executed ideas, especially for charter boats. All of their dinning area punches at least one weight-class above, by not wasting space to maintain separate seating/tables in the cockpit vs salon. I also really enjoyed the solid forward deck - yes it's heavy, but try fighting a tangled bridle in rough wind with worn-out cheaply made trampolines that chafes your knees off any chance it gets. I also appreciate their decision to only put one head per hull and give it a separate shower. It feels so much more civilized than showering on top of your toilet. But that's more of a personal preference... I know some owner will rather have two wet heads "in case of emergency". On the negative side, I do wish they had retained the giant drop-down windows in front of the galley like their older 4.2/4.3 though; those are fan-freaking-tastic for airflow, compare to portholes (no matter how big) - especially at anchor while you are cooking. I would also have some concern about how far back the helms are - when you tour the boat, any thought of falling off the boat from the helm? It doesn't look like it has much of any sugar scoops at all... Thanks!!
It's interesting to see how various companies separate themselves from the competition. IMHO boat design is first and foremost driven by physics & economics. How do you get what is in essence a set of boxes stacked on each other to move in a controlled fashion across the water for some specific price? Since everyone has the same physics and materials to work with, the difference becomes how do you make small changes meaningful. The rear door is very interesting. I've always liked the versatility of the Bali designs. You really can sail them from Baltic to the Med then across the the Caribbean and be good all the time.
I love the accommodations for the price of this cat, but I am disappointed that Toby didn't show or talk about the bridgedeck clearance. It is not a strong point for any "condomaran", but as the cats get smaller the problem goes from annoying to dangerous. If Yachworld won't look at this issue then who will and what good are they?
As a live-aboard, definitely true. But it's fine for sunny charter locations that rarely see rain... and I imagine lots of them will end up in charter fleets!! 😆
@@mattinacan Try sailing in a storm with a following sea or cold weather....or being hit by hail stones the size of golf balls. Also the heat and skin cancer risks are rising. These are practical boats for warm weather cruising and offer great space and nice finishes....but they wont meet the needs of most longterm cruisers. It would be a big step forward if they used Basalt fiber in the hull production and or other greener materials. To reduce the environmental impact of large scale composite production.
Did anyone among you ever hear about autopilots!? It's a technology that has first seen the light of day in the late 80s. It's a system that basically steers the boat all by itself, so you don't even need to touch the steering wheel. You just set the course, press a button and you just need to trim the sails. In inclimate conditions you can adjust the autopilot from the comfort of the interior nav station, or get a remote controll for the autopilot that literally fits into your pocket! These systems have gotten advanced so much in recent years that even the Vendée globe and The Ocean Race sailboats use them. In fact, the afforementioned races are autopilot steered more than 99% of the way around the world!!! Most if not all modern sailboats have an autopilot system fitted as standard equipment, and most of them can steer much better than an average helmsman
@@lovropirkl2672 😂They tend to consume a lot of power and break especially in bad weather so thats why a lot of cruisers and travellers also have wind vanes. The wear/stress rate on the boats steering gear can be fatal especially on older designs of boat and rudders. With a cat you have two but then theres the linkages and getting at them . Modern boats like modern cars and fitted kitchens and bathrooms are mostly damn awkward to maintain and fix especially off grid or at sea in a storm. Thats why theres hundreds of Wharram catamaran s out there. Sticks and rope... 😉
Yes that was a big concern for me…otherwise quite impressive from a space planning perspective. Bali are not all about performance, but could be a really enjoyable family charter.
I don’t like trampolines, I don’t like the doors on lagoons, and I don’t like a bunch of bathrooms all over the place, I really like the layout of this boat, more than anything I’ve seen so far, those helm positions must be mostly for docking the boat which is very annoying on other cats where you can’t even see the dock, love the kitchen layout too, this boat is a big step forward and I like it
For the most part, I love the layout. But the IKEA interior just doesn't cut it. I can't imagine what this thing would look like five years down the road! Also, the unprotected helm stations scare the bejeezus out of me. Definitely not a passage maker (or even a coastal cruiser)!
Umm... Not even close. It's a great charter layout for island hopping, but no way is this the capable offshore passage maker the 1170 is. It's just not.
To some... that's perfectly OK! It's cheaper to charter and use 1/10 the fuel compare to power cats, and still get us to the beaches. In fact, on our last vacation, running the gen-set for AC used more fuel than what the engines consumed to motor around. It's so bad that none of my guests even bothered to find out where is the halyard or the sheets. 🤣
@@WallaceLau that's a really funny fact. If half of the weight of fuel and AC was spent in isolation ... the performance was better and way cheaper costs of running .. The con: manufacture would get less profit and more work...
Toby - thanks for the excellent coverage! Bali has some really well-executed ideas, especially for charter boats. All of their dinning area punches at least one weight-class above, by not wasting space to maintain separate seating/tables in the cockpit vs salon. I also really enjoyed the solid forward deck - yes it's heavy, but try fighting a tangled bridle in rough wind with worn-out cheaply made trampolines that chafes your knees off any chance it gets. I also appreciate their decision to only put one head per hull and give it a separate shower. It feels so much more civilized than showering on top of your toilet. But that's more of a personal preference... I know some owner will rather have two wet heads "in case of emergency". On the negative side, I do wish they had retained the giant drop-down windows in front of the galley like their older 4.2/4.3 though; those are fan-freaking-tastic for airflow, compare to portholes (no matter how big) - especially at anchor while you are cooking. I would also have some concern about how far back the helms are - when you tour the boat, any thought of falling off the boat from the helm? It doesn't look like it has much of any sugar scoops at all... Thanks!!
Interesting boat. Excellent review. Thanks for the attention to detail ⛵
Looks like a great family yacht.
My favourite catamaran!
Cheaper and lighter but still tons of space inside : smart Indeed this catsmart.👍
It's interesting to see how various companies separate themselves from the competition. IMHO boat design is first and foremost driven by physics & economics. How do you get what is in essence a set of boxes stacked on each other to move in a controlled fashion across the water for some specific price? Since everyone has the same physics and materials to work with, the difference becomes how do you make small changes meaningful. The rear door is very interesting. I've always liked the versatility of the Bali designs. You really can sail them from Baltic to the Med then across the the Caribbean and be good all the time.
I love the accommodations for the price of this cat, but I am disappointed that Toby didn't show or talk about the bridgedeck clearance. It is not a strong point for any "condomaran", but as the cats get smaller the problem goes from annoying to dangerous.
If Yachworld won't look at this issue then who will and what good are they?
Can this brick sail upwind?
any boat without protected helm positions seems like a terrible idea.
As a live-aboard, definitely true. But it's fine for sunny charter locations that rarely see rain... and I imagine lots of them will end up in charter fleets!! 😆
@@mattinacan
Try sailing in a storm with a following sea or cold weather....or being hit by hail stones the size of golf balls.
Also the heat and skin cancer risks are rising.
These are practical boats for warm weather cruising and offer great space and nice finishes....but they wont meet the needs of most longterm cruisers.
It would be a big step forward if they used Basalt fiber in the hull production and or other greener materials. To reduce the environmental impact of large scale composite production.
Did anyone among you ever hear about autopilots!? It's a technology that has first seen the light of day in the late 80s. It's a system that basically steers the boat all by itself, so you don't even need to touch the steering wheel. You just set the course, press a button and you just need to trim the sails. In inclimate conditions you can adjust the autopilot from the comfort of the interior nav station, or get a remote controll for the autopilot that literally fits into your pocket! These systems have gotten advanced so much in recent years that even the Vendée globe and The Ocean Race sailboats use them. In fact, the afforementioned races are autopilot steered more than 99% of the way around the world!!! Most if not all modern sailboats have an autopilot system fitted as standard equipment, and most of them can steer much better than an average helmsman
@@lovropirkl2672
😂They tend to consume a lot of power and break especially in bad weather so thats why a lot of cruisers and travellers also have wind vanes.
The wear/stress rate on the boats steering gear can be fatal especially on older designs of boat and rudders. With a cat you have two but then theres the linkages and getting at them .
Modern boats like modern cars and fitted kitchens and bathrooms are mostly damn awkward to maintain and fix especially off grid or at sea in a storm. Thats why theres hundreds of Wharram catamaran s out there. Sticks and rope... 😉
Yes that was a big concern for me…otherwise quite impressive from a space planning perspective. Bali are not all about performance, but could be a really enjoyable family charter.
I don’t like trampolines, I don’t like the doors on lagoons, and I don’t like a bunch of bathrooms all over the place, I really like the layout of this boat, more than anything I’ve seen so far, those helm positions must be mostly for docking the boat which is very annoying on other cats where you can’t even see the dock, love the kitchen layout too, this boat is a big step forward and I like it
Exactly! +
Nothing left to say 😊
A great caribbean cruising cat..
My other issue is that your channel doesn't show the engine spaces that is what a large amount of time and money goes so let's have a good look around
Usually we always do actually - sometimes it's not always practical to however, like at a boatshow quick tour!
For the most part, I love the layout. But the IKEA interior just doesn't cut it. I can't imagine what this thing would look like five years down the road! Also, the unprotected helm stations scare the bejeezus out of me. Definitely not a passage maker (or even a coastal cruiser)!
Way better than the 1170
Umm... Not even close. It's a great charter layout for island hopping, but no way is this the capable offshore passage maker the 1170 is. It's just not.
I think the new Seawind 1170 is a better option, for a sub 40 cat.
The Seawind has a base price of €470,000, the Bali €325,450. Completely different price point.
8.4 T empty ... with less than 40ft... It floats but ... sailing.... motor all the way
To some... that's perfectly OK! It's cheaper to charter and use 1/10 the fuel compare to power cats, and still get us to the beaches. In fact, on our last vacation, running the gen-set for AC used more fuel than what the engines consumed to motor around. It's so bad that none of my guests even bothered to find out where is the halyard or the sheets. 🤣
@@WallaceLau that's a really funny fact.
If half of the weight of fuel and AC was spent in isolation ... the performance was better and way cheaper costs of running ..
The con: manufacture would get less profit and more work...
Too many sharp edges, IMHO. Would be easy to fix, but these will cause injury.