The language is pretty clear on the back of the card, and has been clear for years. They made absolutely zero guarantees that the patch was worn by that player at any point. I honestly thought it was a cheap fanatics jersey that they pulled off the shelf. So these actually turning out to be player worn at some point makes it less annoying. There is no lie, no conspiracy, just people who have zero reading comprehension skills.
Any patch/material card should have the material from a game worn piece of uniform clothing, especially on higher end expensive cards. "Player worn" is acceptable if it comes an inexpensive box/pack, but the item must still be from the actual player on the card. When these cards first started coming out we didn't have this issue, the cards included actual material from the player pictured on the card. It's just more greed from an industry that is already making tons of money.
@@notsosilentmajority1 the typically do the not associated thing with rookies... I'm not sure if you know this or not, but rookies often haven't played a game when many of these sets go into production. It's not always easy to get whole game used jerseys so this makes sense. Especially given they started this during the height of COVID, and have had issues with production ever since. I get the frustration, but I don't think it's greed. It's logistics. To make these at scale they'd likely need to secure 10-15 jersey's within the first 20 games for the early season product. Keep in mind a player might want to keep their debut jersey, give some to family and friends, jersey swaps are a thing now too, and likely have other deals in place. Look at Topps, the got Wemby's debut jersey, that was probably in the contract for the autos. And it was in a product that released around the start of the 24-25 season, a whole year late. I don't blame Panini for this. This is clearly a supply and demand issue.
Panini did this in the early 2000s when they took over and bought out donruss and all their patches came out being fake or mislabeled just like they're cut autos
When you see prices increase, it is because the value and worth has decreased. Shame on the card industry and even the grading companies who inspect and authorize these as genuine.
Panini, in my opinion, has made sports cards too damn expensive. I have always loved to open packs and often bought into breaks. But they have priced many out of the hobby with the prices. It used to be a hobby but too many people have made it into a flipping business.
If "Not from any specific game or event" means "not from any player" then I don't understand english anymore. I get that they are possibly lying but shouldn't they say "not associated with any specific player, game or event"? We need to go back to a world where words matter and mean something.
They aren't making any promises as to who the rookie patch was, or wasn't worn by. It's pretty clear and anyone with a functional brain would tell you this isn't some sort of shocking thing. The language is clear. They aren't lying. I don't understand the 'issue.' If the card says it doesn't belong to the player pictured, it doesn't belong to them. What's so hard about that?
If it's a game used jersey from someone of note, it's pretty easy to see why that would add interest, value ect. (I think these things from 20 years ago have potential to do ok in the future) What's happened has made the whole thing a gag though.
Exactly. The hobby has always wanted MORE specific jersey pieces - wouldn't the collector like to know the exact spot from the exact jersey it was taken from, and any history behind said jersey? Yeah, instead of that, they just said "na, too expensive, we're gonna do the opposite"
First off you noobs that came in the hobby in 2020 need to understand the difference between a jersey and a Patch! A plain jersey piece is just a jersey! A "PATCH" IS PART OF THE PATCH OFF THE JERSEY! example from the letter patches, number patches, or team logo... these are patches! A rookie game used plain jersey auto is NOT AN RPA! it's a rookie game used jersey auto.. if it has an actual piece of a patch off the jersey it's an Rpa.
What makes me laugh as Panini is losing the licenses you see a lot of the top rookies signing exclusive deals with Fanatics/Topps. On top of not having even player worn for rookie relics you have people paying 4 to 5 figures for a NFL Shield or Logoman from a jersey purchased off the rack. Absolutely bonkers. At this point if you aren't going to have authentic player/game worn jersey then at least have really good patches instead of single color napkins. Panini just found a way to increase their profits and sadly it's collectors faults because they keep buying them at high prices.
75 cent patch on cards with no autos being called "Real RPA's". Hilarious the amount of consumer psychology that gets abused here, everyone says "I see it" and the stuff still sells. Addiction is a beast
The parches just come from a uniform they bought from the team store and the autographs are done with a machine, and people pay hundreds of dollars for them.
I really think it makes a difference if they would at least sometimes include a player/game used piece. Or, maybe they should start putting a small cutout window so we can see that sticker for authenticity sake.
@@FFMCardsandMore the nice thing that topps seems to do for baseball is add that text to the side of the mem that says “player worn/ game worn I hope they impliment that when they get the liscense. Its all such a mess
I think all content creators need to follow suit and cut up their mem cards. I think most people know about it already, but we should put them on full blast and make it a LOUD problem they can't ignore. Everybody who films this crap should be able to tack onto a lawsuit and get free money back from panini. Thieves lol
I've always known the patches not to be associate with the player on the card as it says so on the back of the card. It's pathetic, but that's Panini for you.
yeah when I see those patches from partial alphabet or number I tried to double check if the player/team has a character or number that fits the patch. i say > 60% of the time they dont
See, the event worn cards are often generic jerseys and they like to use the numbers 80 88 to get thicker patches from the number. Look up the picture of, I believe, Reggie Bush, putting on like 15 replica jerseys at an event, so they could call them 'event worn.' This also means the back nameplate could be a totally different player, but that doesn't matter, it was still 'worn' by the player. Would I rather a practice jersey than that nonsense? Sure, but the language from a legal stand point is still very clear, and all the information you could need about this is already available online. People are just being stupid at this point.
The patches have their own worth market. Player worn and multi colored are very valuable down to white swatches from an off the rack jersey which are worthless. Even off the rack never worn patch autos are valuable depending on the look of the patch and how many colors are present.
I don’t blame panini, I blame all the breakers who were jacking the prices up to begin with when they seen the card craze going wild and all the people who still pay these ridiculous prices for a piece of cardboard. Of course they’re gonna continue to jack prices on boxes. Funniest part is people know panini is getting closed out and can’t get their hands on certain materials or players to sign their cards yet people are still buying their trash. Breakers still screaming at the top of their lungs scamming people. Worst investment, I rather gamble my money on casino slots
Why aren’t all patch cards of game worn material? The swatches are so small u can’t tell me they could cut up 3-4 jerseys and be good for the whole production run of that player…now I’m guessing marketing and printing and developing these cards isn’t cheap but let’s be serious, for what they charge and for what we 90% of the time take a loss on, unless there is gold imbedded in the paper, there’s no reason they can’t get actual game used jerseys, to at least slightly justify their ridiculous prices.
So people are mad that the jersey off the rack ,isnt of the player on the card. If its off a rack does it really freaking matter. I dony like panini but Jesus christ people complain about anything nowadays
Because we are into collecting men's GAME WORN clothing, not just plain men's clothing LMAO. For real, rarity creates value, and there is much less game worn material - than simply Material. It was the reason we started putting cloth in cards to begin with.
The hobby cycles. Early patches were game worn earlier because it was easier to get them. But today players don’t give up jerseys as much. It’s not manufacturing fault however they have devalued patches with the BS. Now look at the debut patch. It’s the hottest chase in the hobby. IMO all future patches should use this model. Complete or partial patches only, no jersey napkins, they are game worn on specific days or events. Pre season game patches. Bowl game patches. Father’s Day patch only worn on Father’s Day. Cancer patches that contribute to cancer research etc. Only game worn moving forward. We can do it!
@@CommercialFreeShow and you are totally right the MLB Debut patch auto is huge. From the chase to the publicity. I also agree, why even put the napkin in there, if its not available dont use and adjust pricing as necessary.
You all get so worked up about stuff that any old timer in this industry would tell ya has been going on for DECADES. This same thing was going on in the 90's ALL THE TIME. It killed those cards on the resale market, and they become just a regular insert to most. ALL the brands did this back then. No scam or 'misrepresentation' that exists today in sportscards hasnt existed before. Start listenin to the crusty old guy set up in the back card show............
Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts on these patches?
The language is pretty clear on the back of the card, and has been clear for years. They made absolutely zero guarantees that the patch was worn by that player at any point. I honestly thought it was a cheap fanatics jersey that they pulled off the shelf. So these actually turning out to be player worn at some point makes it less annoying. There is no lie, no conspiracy, just people who have zero reading comprehension skills.
Any patch/material card should have the material from a game worn piece of uniform clothing, especially on higher end expensive cards. "Player worn" is acceptable if it comes an inexpensive box/pack, but the item must still be from the actual player on the card. When these cards first started coming out we didn't have this issue, the cards included actual material from the player pictured on the card. It's just more greed from an industry that is already making tons of money.
@@notsosilentmajority1 the typically do the not associated thing with rookies... I'm not sure if you know this or not, but rookies often haven't played a game when many of these sets go into production. It's not always easy to get whole game used jerseys so this makes sense. Especially given they started this during the height of COVID, and have had issues with production ever since. I get the frustration, but I don't think it's greed. It's logistics.
To make these at scale they'd likely need to secure 10-15 jersey's within the first 20 games for the early season product. Keep in mind a player might want to keep their debut jersey, give some to family and friends, jersey swaps are a thing now too, and likely have other deals in place.
Look at Topps, the got Wemby's debut jersey, that was probably in the contract for the autos. And it was in a product that released around the start of the 24-25 season, a whole year late. I don't blame Panini for this. This is clearly a supply and demand issue.
Game worn game used =Touched walking off the court after a sweaty practice game at best* 😕
@@joeyhoy1995it’s clear enough to protect the manufacturers liability. That’s all they need .👍
Greed. Plain and simple. Greed ruins everything eventually.
Panini did this in the early 2000s when they took over and bought out donruss and all their patches came out being fake or mislabeled just like they're cut autos
When you see prices increase, it is because the value and worth has decreased. Shame on the card industry and even the grading companies who inspect and authorize these as genuine.
Panini, in my opinion, has made sports cards too damn expensive. I have always loved to open packs and often bought into breaks. But they have priced many out of the hobby with the prices. It used to be a hobby but too many people have made it into a flipping business.
If "Not from any specific game or event" means "not from any player" then I don't understand english anymore. I get that they are possibly lying but shouldn't they say "not associated with any specific player, game or event"? We need to go back to a world where words matter and mean something.
They aren't making any promises as to who the rookie patch was, or wasn't worn by. It's pretty clear and anyone with a functional brain would tell you this isn't some sort of shocking thing. The language is clear. They aren't lying. I don't understand the 'issue.' If the card says it doesn't belong to the player pictured, it doesn't belong to them. What's so hard about that?
Legal jargon that covers their asses from being sued I’m guessing
@@joeyhoy1995you must work for panini. It’s very misleading
Also autograph should be on the card.
‘Round n ’Round she goes, where she stops,nobody knows….😮
I never understood the fascination with a piece of fabric from a jersey anyway…but it does seem like a very intentionally misleading process by panini
Exactly!!!!
If it's a game used jersey from someone of note, it's pretty easy to see why that would add interest, value ect. (I think these things from 20 years ago have potential to do ok in the future) What's happened has made the whole thing a gag though.
@@colinburroughs9871 an actual
Game used jersey is awesome but a little square from it doesn’t do much from me lol
I’m pretty sure Panini will fix this by not writing any notes inside these patches. Problem solved.😅
Exactly. The hobby has always wanted MORE specific jersey pieces - wouldn't the collector like to know the exact spot from the exact jersey it was taken from, and any history behind said jersey? Yeah, instead of that, they just said "na, too expensive, we're gonna do the opposite"
First off you noobs that came in the hobby in 2020 need to understand the difference between a jersey and a Patch! A plain jersey piece is just a jersey! A "PATCH" IS PART OF THE PATCH OFF THE JERSEY! example from the letter patches, number patches, or team logo... these are patches! A rookie game used plain jersey auto is NOT AN RPA! it's a rookie game used jersey auto.. if it has an actual piece of a patch off the jersey it's an Rpa.
What makes me laugh as Panini is losing the licenses you see a lot of the top rookies signing exclusive deals with Fanatics/Topps. On top of not having even player worn for rookie relics you have people paying 4 to 5 figures for a NFL Shield or Logoman from a jersey purchased off the rack. Absolutely bonkers. At this point if you aren't going to have authentic player/game worn jersey then at least have really good patches instead of single color napkins. Panini just found a way to increase their profits and sadly it's collectors faults because they keep buying them at high prices.
75 cent patch on cards with no autos being called "Real RPA's". Hilarious the amount of consumer psychology that gets abused here, everyone says "I see it" and the stuff still sells. Addiction is a beast
Just because a piece of paper backing the cloth says a player’s name, it doesn’t mean anything.
The parches just come from a uniform they bought from the team store and the autographs are done with a machine, and people pay hundreds of dollars for them.
Bottom line is one would think you’d have more integrity in your business. Profit over integrity.
Bro you just sliced up the Matt for these worthless cards.
With these expensive wax these patch should be game worn its like a jordan worn shoes cost more
Yeah, a whole hell of a lot more.
I really think it makes a difference if they would at least sometimes include a player/game used piece. Or, maybe they should start putting a small cutout window so we can see that sticker for authenticity sake.
@@FFMCardsandMore the nice thing that topps seems to do for baseball is add that text to the side of the mem that says “player worn/ game worn I hope they impliment that when they get the liscense. Its all such a mess
No, the language on the card is pretty clear. "Not associated with any specific player, game, or event," is as clear as it gets.
I think all content creators need to follow suit and cut up their mem cards. I think most people know about it already, but we should put them on full blast and make it a LOUD problem they can't ignore. Everybody who films this crap should be able to tack onto a lawsuit and get free money back from panini. Thieves lol
@@tylerwebster359 Amen!
I'm in, my patch cards should go up in value after many are destroyed.
The patches that say no specific player or event likely isn’t even from any player at all.
If it's not game worn or player worn is pointless to make and scam collectors
I've always known the patches not to be associate with the player on the card as it says so on the back of the card. It's pathetic, but that's Panini for you.
Some people don't have reading comprehension skills clearly.
Having their name on it doesn’t prove anything, though.
yeah when I see those patches from partial alphabet or number
I tried to double check if the player/team has a character or number that fits the patch.
i say > 60% of the time they dont
See, the event worn cards are often generic jerseys and they like to use the numbers 80 88 to get thicker patches from the number. Look up the picture of, I believe, Reggie Bush, putting on like 15 replica jerseys at an event, so they could call them 'event worn.' This also means the back nameplate could be a totally different player, but that doesn't matter, it was still 'worn' by the player. Would I rather a practice jersey than that nonsense? Sure, but the language from a legal stand point is still very clear, and all the information you could need about this is already available online. People are just being stupid at this point.
it'll be much easier to just shine a flashlight on the back of the cards...
Why the cards he’s cutting up are worth the toilet paper swipin your a$$ 😂
The patches have their own worth market. Player worn and multi colored are very valuable down to white swatches from an off the rack jersey which are worthless. Even off the rack never worn patch autos are valuable depending on the look of the patch and how many colors are present.
Sorry but I’m not destroying any of my cards to find out 🤷🏻♂️
Cards are just too expensive...now
Game worn jersey patches or game warn jersey swatches may be fake.
What's next?
I don’t blame panini, I blame all the breakers who were jacking the prices up to begin with when they seen the card craze going wild and all the people who still pay these ridiculous prices for a piece of cardboard. Of course they’re gonna continue to jack prices on boxes. Funniest part is people know panini is getting closed out and can’t get their hands on certain materials or players to sign their cards yet people are still buying their trash. Breakers still screaming at the top of their lungs scamming people. Worst investment, I rather gamble my money on casino slots
What's the display box with those cards called?
Why aren’t all patch cards of game worn material? The swatches are so small u can’t tell me they could cut up 3-4 jerseys and be good for the whole production run of that player…now I’m guessing marketing and printing and developing these cards isn’t cheap but let’s be serious, for what they charge and for what we 90% of the time take a loss on, unless there is gold imbedded in the paper, there’s no reason they can’t get actual game used jerseys, to at least slightly justify their ridiculous prices.
Ooohoo, this is interesting
Great video 👍
@@Abdurn98 thank you!
Mine i did just said "red"
Thats crazy
No shit who didnt know these patches mean nothing lmao
So people are mad that the jersey off the rack ,isnt of the player on the card. If its off a rack does it really freaking matter. I dony like panini but Jesus christ people complain about anything nowadays
Because we are into collecting men's GAME WORN clothing, not just plain men's clothing LMAO. For real, rarity creates value, and there is much less game worn material - than simply Material. It was the reason we started putting cloth in cards to begin with.
The hobby cycles. Early patches were game worn earlier because it was easier to get them. But today players don’t give up jerseys as much. It’s not manufacturing fault however they have devalued patches with the BS.
Now look at the debut patch. It’s the hottest chase in the hobby. IMO all future patches should use this model. Complete or partial patches only, no jersey napkins, they are game worn on specific days or events. Pre season game patches. Bowl game patches. Father’s Day patch only worn on Father’s Day. Cancer patches that contribute to cancer research etc.
Only game worn moving forward. We can do it!
@@CommercialFreeShow and you are totally right the MLB Debut patch auto is huge. From the chase to the publicity. I also agree, why even put the napkin in there, if its not available dont use and adjust pricing as necessary.
Players sign contracts with these companies. It's in the contract to give them their jerseys. How many and which one's? Read the contract.
This is what i would expect exactly from an Italian company
pointless vid dude, that non specific ones aren't specific is logical, what do the game used ones say?!?
You all get so worked up about stuff that any old timer in this industry would tell ya has been going on for DECADES. This same thing was going on in the 90's ALL THE TIME. It killed those cards on the resale market, and they become just a regular insert to most. ALL the brands did this back then. No scam or 'misrepresentation' that exists today in sportscards hasnt existed before. Start listenin to the crusty old guy set up in the back card show............
The crusty old guy who uses Beckett price guide still 😂