It's not a narrative, it's fact. Allen has less help and has done more than him, other than mvps which is a subjective voted on thing. In the last 5 seasons he has 60 more total tuds than lamar. That's an absurdly significant deficit. Allen also has more than double the playoff wins lamar has, and has the head to head victory in the playoffs which is apparently the only important win stat. So it's not a narrative. Lamar won it last year over Allen with worse stats. This year they're comparable, but Allen wins in bigger and more important games and does it with less help. Lamars not even winning his division... he doesnt even have winning records against all the teams in his division. This is only the 2nd time he's beat Pittsburgh in his career. Whereas Allen has beat Miami 12 times in his career, a team that's perpetually in the playoffs or on the bubble and fully stacked with talent.
Josh hasn't done more than him this year, at all. Lamar leads every statistical metric except for wins and rushing TDs. MVP isn't what you've done over the past 5 seasons, it's what you've done THIS season. MVP is a regular season award, not a past 5 season award and you completely contradict your argument by bringing up the last 5 seasons AND "more with less" in the same conversation. Easy to pick those stats while Josh was throwing to an All Pro Diggs while Lamar was throwing to Willie Snead and Devin Duvernay. Josh hasn't won the more important games this year. The only playoff team the Bills have beaten are the Chiefs. If the Ravens beat the Texans on Christmas, the Ravens will have beaten EVERY AFC playoff team except the Chiefs which means Lamar has played better opponents while having better stats doing it.
@siknastyn8 yeah and the bills didn't beat the lions, the number 1 team in the nfc. And again, Josh's stats were better last year during the regular season which conveniently is all you want to talk about because Lamar again is garbage in the post season and in big games like division games. And saying beating the chiefs is light work when Lamar is 1-4 against them. You also conveniently leave out having the franchises leader in receiving tuds mark Andrew's. Has had him his whole career opposed to diggs for a few seasons. What about the other WRs Lamar has had like Sammy Watkins, ODB, and marquise brown. They aren't nobodies. Not to mention having harbaugh at headcoach, a superbowl winning headcoach who is top 3 in HC wins only under Reid and belichick. I recognize Lamar is great but this narrative that he's better than josh is wild, and the narrative that the league is against him is almost offensive considering he has as many MVPs as playoff wins.
I love the way they keep moving the bar for Josh Allen. Too many turnovers, not enough wins, now because it was an off week. He defeated the two best record teams in the league, there is no pleasing these people
So no one’s going to bring up the fact that bills has had one of the softest schedule while The ravens has had the toughest schedule in the NFL for the second year in a row…. You know it’s a hate on Lamar narrative when everyone gives Allen praise for beating teams with a under .500 record
Can we at least acknowledge the afc east is basically 1 good team and 1 mid team and 2 trash teams. It’s always been that way lmao. the North is always a 2-3 team race.
As a Dallas fan all year since the beginning I’ve been saying this is Lamar’s and Henry’s year ravens are the team to beat I still have them winning it all they have the talent and one of the harder schedules
One of the best years from a QB in NFL history and that's what u come with😂😂. What about when he didn't have Derrick Henry didn't he win 2 mvp's?? If they ain't hating on you you ain't doing something right and you my friend is a natural born hater yeah u 🫵🏿
@@mr.onehundon2437 do u know josh Allen has 15more touchdowns , better QBR , and only 100 few pass yards in 15 games already than Lamar did last year in his MVP year. Oh and 1 less lose. In 2 fewer games. Lamar is great. They gave the MVP for the team success last year. Josh has a lesser team with more wins. And they lost to the ravens. If u take both these players off thru team the ravens would have a better record.
They move the goal post to suit their narutives when has an mvp had 5 loses on the season and Derrick Henry hasn't made a huge difference for ravens this year all while Goff is ballin
Biggest diffeence noone is talking about is the offensive line playing much better. In all their losses the Oline gets dominated at the LOS and cant make any holes for Henry or pass block for Lamar.
How did Allen carry buffalo if he played like crap and the team still won? Bills are 4-2 when allen has below 100 rating. Ravens are 0-5 when Lamar has a rating below 114. Josh Allen has an off day = his team carries him. Lamar has an off day = team loses 100% of the time.
Lamar has henry whos made lamar look good josh has none and he developed coleman & shakur. amari came later in the season. Josh has done more than lamar. Cook is doing fine but is not a henry. Each of the games baltimore lost saw henry run less thsn 100 yards. Henry's most yards 199 was against thd bills. Josh is the mvp fr fr.
Look at Derrick Henry’s stats in 2020 and look at Ryan tamnehills then look at them this year similar but tannehill didn’t win mvp bc we knew it was bc Dereck henry
So Lamar can lose to the Raiders and the Browns (which is why they are trailing in Division)and be MVP over Allen because Allen only beat New England and not by a lot lol
Allen only beat 3 soon to be playoff teams this year and Lamar has beaten 6. Lamar also has better passing numbers less int and he blowed out Allen😂😂. They're really making it closer than it actually is it's Easily Lamar all day and let's not talk about rushing yards something that they continue to purposely leave out 🤦🏿♂️
Ok i have the most simple point ever. I love both QBs Allen more I give the edge overall. Everyone wrote them Off this year. Chiefs personnel and nfl players and personnel least look forward to facing ???! Josh Allen. .. in saying that Lamar and ravens scare me most. Simple point is the ravens fans are making point bills fans had last year. Allen had the stats last year. But Baltimore had the better record. Soooo why are we being hypocritical?
Personally I think the MVP award is a joke. It's more a popularity contest and way too stat oriented. There are intangibles that make someone important to their team that aren't considered. And frankly it's always the biggest players on the better teams when in reality it could be a guy on one of the bad teams that is more important. And if Lamar was awful he would still get it...
The good ol Freudian slip from Dan... They have the best QB in football uh uh I mean one of em... So it is a narrative pushing for Allen. Got it
It's not a narrative, it's fact. Allen has less help and has done more than him, other than mvps which is a subjective voted on thing. In the last 5 seasons he has 60 more total tuds than lamar. That's an absurdly significant deficit. Allen also has more than double the playoff wins lamar has, and has the head to head victory in the playoffs which is apparently the only important win stat. So it's not a narrative. Lamar won it last year over Allen with worse stats. This year they're comparable, but Allen wins in bigger and more important games and does it with less help. Lamars not even winning his division... he doesnt even have winning records against all the teams in his division. This is only the 2nd time he's beat Pittsburgh in his career. Whereas Allen has beat Miami 12 times in his career, a team that's perpetually in the playoffs or on the bubble and fully stacked with talent.
Josh hasn't done more than him this year, at all. Lamar leads every statistical metric except for wins and rushing TDs. MVP isn't what you've done over the past 5 seasons, it's what you've done THIS season. MVP is a regular season award, not a past 5 season award and you completely contradict your argument by bringing up the last 5 seasons AND "more with less" in the same conversation. Easy to pick those stats while Josh was throwing to an All Pro Diggs while Lamar was throwing to Willie Snead and Devin Duvernay. Josh hasn't won the more important games this year. The only playoff team the Bills have beaten are the Chiefs. If the Ravens beat the Texans on Christmas, the Ravens will have beaten EVERY AFC playoff team except the Chiefs which means Lamar has played better opponents while having better stats doing it.
@siknastyn8 yeah and the bills didn't beat the lions, the number 1 team in the nfc. And again, Josh's stats were better last year during the regular season which conveniently is all you want to talk about because Lamar again is garbage in the post season and in big games like division games. And saying beating the chiefs is light work when Lamar is 1-4 against them. You also conveniently leave out having the franchises leader in receiving tuds mark Andrew's. Has had him his whole career opposed to diggs for a few seasons. What about the other WRs Lamar has had like Sammy Watkins, ODB, and marquise brown. They aren't nobodies. Not to mention having harbaugh at headcoach, a superbowl winning headcoach who is top 3 in HC wins only under Reid and belichick. I recognize Lamar is great but this narrative that he's better than josh is wild, and the narrative that the league is against him is almost offensive considering he has as many MVPs as playoff wins.
I love the way they keep moving the bar for Josh Allen. Too many turnovers, not enough wins, now because it was an off week. He defeated the two best record teams in the league, there is no pleasing these people
He’s just not that guy. Lamar is better every year
So no one’s going to bring up the fact that bills has had one of the softest schedule while The ravens has had the toughest schedule in the NFL for the second year in a row…. You know it’s a hate on Lamar narrative when everyone gives Allen praise for beating teams with a under .500 record
Uhhh, you forget the Bills gave the Chiefs and Lions two of their three losses???
The bills beat the two best teams in the league... the ravens lost to two of the worst... and still aren't even winning their division!
@@GregBackus-o5zbruh the lions was literally playing without 17 of their starters and still barely won and you coming on here bragging is wild 💀
And The Ravens blew out the same Bills team so bad they sat Allen in the 4th
Can we at least acknowledge the afc east is basically 1 good team and 1 mid team and 2 trash teams. It’s always been that way lmao. the North is always a 2-3 team race.
*LJ is winning every quarterback stat with harder schedule and division*
“DEI MVP for JA? 😂😅”
I agree, they’re very frustrating with how they deviate from who they are in the playoffs.
As a Dallas fan all year since the beginning I’ve been saying this is Lamar’s and Henry’s year ravens are the team to beat I still have them winning it all they have the talent and one of the harder schedules
D O had me dying roasting Stephan A. 😂😂😂
Lamar is the real deal.
Lamar ante even mvp of his team. Henry the real mvp of the ravens. Another almost 200 yard day for derick. Any qb can play with that
Lmao why dont every 2k rusher in nfl history got a good quarterback?
One of the best years from a QB in NFL history and that's what u come with😂😂. What about when he didn't have Derrick Henry didn't he win 2 mvp's?? If they ain't hating on you you ain't doing something right and you my friend is a natural born hater yeah u 🫵🏿
If any QB could play with that, why wasn’t Will Levis playing at an MVP level when Henry was still at Tennessee?
@@mr.onehundon2437 do u know josh Allen has 15more touchdowns , better QBR , and only 100 few pass yards in 15 games already than Lamar did last year in his MVP year. Oh and 1 less lose. In 2 fewer games. Lamar is great. They gave the MVP for the team success last year. Josh has a lesser team with more wins. And they lost to the ravens. If u take both these players off thru team the ravens would have a better record.
1:58 Shannon u gotta chill unc wtf 🤣🤣🤣🤣
They move the goal post to suit their narutives when has an mvp had 5 loses on the season and Derrick Henry hasn't made a huge difference for ravens this year all while Goff is ballin
Biggest diffeence noone is talking about is the offensive line playing much better. In all their losses the Oline gets dominated at the LOS and cant make any holes for Henry or pass block for Lamar.
What this pass weekend proved is allen carries buffalo while lamar gets carried by baltimore lol
How did Allen carry buffalo if he played like crap and the team still won? Bills are 4-2 when allen has below 100 rating. Ravens are 0-5 when Lamar has a rating below 114. Josh Allen has an off day = his team carries him. Lamar has an off day = team loses 100% of the time.
Lamar has henry whos made lamar look good josh has none and he developed coleman & shakur. amari came later in the season. Josh has done more than lamar. Cook is doing fine but is not a henry. Each of the games baltimore lost saw henry run less thsn 100 yards. Henry's most yards 199 was against thd bills. Josh is the mvp fr fr.
Russ played better without GP against the Ravens than he did with him.
Look at Derrick Henry’s stats in 2020 and look at Ryan tamnehills then look at them this year similar but tannehill didn’t win mvp bc we knew it was bc Dereck henry
Last year the situation for MVP was flipped any Lamar still won, i dont wanna hear it Lamid mest riders
So Lamar can lose to the Raiders and the Browns (which is why they are trailing in Division)and be MVP over Allen because Allen only beat New England and not by a lot lol
Lost to the ravens and stats show Allen is behind Lamar 💀
Allen only beat 3 soon to be playoff teams this year and Lamar has beaten 6. Lamar also has better passing numbers less int and he blowed out Allen😂😂. They're really making it closer than it actually is it's Easily Lamar all day and let's not talk about rushing yards something that they continue to purposely leave out 🤦🏿♂️
@@mr.onehundon2437Lamar has more turnovers and losses. The Ravens aren't even winning their division right now.
Exactly! The ravens could replace Lamar and still have their trash record and not lead the division
@@tonyb3017 the Josh Allen fans living off them beating the Chiefs like it was their first Super Bowl win 😭
Ok i have the most simple point ever. I love both QBs Allen more I give the edge overall. Everyone wrote them
Off this year. Chiefs personnel and nfl players and personnel least look forward to facing ???! Josh Allen. .. in saying that Lamar and ravens scare me most. Simple point is the ravens fans are making point bills fans had last year. Allen had the stats last year. But Baltimore had the better record. Soooo why are we being hypocritical?
Personally I think the MVP award is a joke. It's more a popularity contest and way too stat oriented. There are intangibles that make someone important to their team that aren't considered. And frankly it's always the biggest players on the better teams when in reality it could be a guy on one of the bad teams that is more important. And if Lamar was awful he would still get it...
And Shannon Sharpe is NOT A TRUE RAVEN !!!
Cuz they beat the stealers gtfo 😂😂😂😂 Lamar had 1 playoff win and several playoff chokes
Lamar aint even qin his division lmao he aint no mvp
Afc east like one of the worst divisions in the league.. every afc north team had a winning record last year its not even close
You already know that come it won't age well so why even posted?? That must've been the best you can come up with 😂😂
Lamar is 3rd at best Patrick mahomes is the best qb ravens are not a real contender
Have you looked at any stats and the ravens are the best team in nfl
@ the chiefs are the best team and when they played head to head we know who won
@ ravens are regular season champs
Keep that energy. haha
@ they literally are better than the ravens they don’t lose a lot
D O had me dying roasting Stephan A. 😂😂😂