'Quite staggering': Supreme Court appears divided on Idaho abortion ban
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- The Supreme Court heard arguments today on Idaho's strict abortion ban. NBC News' Yamiche Alcindor, Slate senior editor Dahlia Lithwick and University of California, Davis law professor Mary Ziegler weigh in on the arguments being made by Idaho and the federal government.
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#Abortion #Reproduction #AbortionBan
Medical professionals seeking parameters from courts and judges for guidelines for medical treatment in an emergency . Unconscionable. Please remind me what century we are in.
It's awful.
Pre-19th if we take the Dobbs decision as a landmark.
And we all thought the Taleban were a bunch of men suppressing the rights of the women living in Afghanistan.
@@ronaldking1054 feels pretty antebellum
It's not considered an abortion in the emergency room If it's a life saving procedure. You don't go to an Abortion clinic for an Emergency.
Alito is a seriously flawed individual to the point of being unfit to be a judge.
The last two words of your comment are not needed.
Just because one goes to church doesn't make them God. Women are adults and should be treated as such. We are not little kids. Women have always known what to do instinctively before religion existed and now, we have science, technology and experts in the field who can assist us. Power to women. ✊🏼
But if your church can't tell you how to live, whats the point of them?
@@MykalNines 🤣🤣
SCOTUS is woefully ill-equipped to handle the major issues of our time. They oversimplify issues that are tremendously complex. And they are far from being experts in medicine. It is mindblowing.
They are So Out of Touch with American Society of the 21st Century! It's awful and shameful and reminds me of the ongoing disintegration of AMTRAK and dejoy's USPS🇺🇸
They're owned.
What point is there to have doctors anymore? Just put all these justices in the emergency room since they are so knowledgeable. Smh 🙄😮💨🤔
Said it once today, I'll say it again: you can't get rid of a medical procedure, you only get rid of the safe ones.
Not safe for the unborn baby
If giving birth risked a man's health these laws restricting abortion would not exist. It is not pro-life but pro-control. Their supporters typically also want gun deregulation.
Naturally occurring spontaneous miscarriages are quite common, incidentally. Abortions are equivalent to those acts of nature.
@G11713 and IF your aunt had balks she'd be your uncle
@@Robert-ty3qithe unborn baby is still unborn. The pregnant woman was born many years ago. You’re not pro- her life, are you? Women killers
Tell me how someone with NO medical training can override a doctor’s medical opinion!?
The Supremely Corrupted Court is an embarrassment.
“If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.” Gloria Steinem
men cant get pregnant?
@@NotWoke670 Men have body autonomy, women don't.
Agreed, but Gloria Steinem was quoting the late Florynce Kennedy.
@@klynb Thank you for the reminder. I was just going to post that.
The fact that men are responsible for liability for the born child but has no rights around the welfare of the unborn child raises more thought than the poor attempt at division or perhaps perverse humour
What's really sad is that even female GOP legislators in Idaho voted for the ban.
GOP Women hate their own sisters in this country.
I have lost all faith and respect for SCOTUS.
I have lost all faith in the Entire F8cking Federal Government. 100% of it.
Actually all the women, including Amy Comey Barrett, did well with this.
I think there is some chance here that Idaho legislature (no referendum, alas), has gone too far in creating too large and wide an opening for state intrusion and control, even for this SCOTUS.. I lived in Idaho, and know that Idaho conservatives often share a near hatred and fear of government intrusion and control. Listening to this case may ring that bell warning for conservative women, if not their husbands. Please remember that this is not about pregnancies that are going to result in living babies.
(I have had 5 pregnancies, resulting in 4 much loved very fine grown children. )
Losing an organ isn't covered? Handmaid's Tale!
Even doctors can't codify laws to fit every situation involving pregnancy, so fat chance a bunch of clowns in state legislatures are going to do it without doing harm. It's out of their league and they need to have the sense to know it. Leave it to the people and their doctors!
They just want to punish women for religious reasons, that's what it's always been
@@awtodorExactly. We caused original sin. We so bad.
@@larindanomikos That's why we should condemn anyone who worships the one who condemned the fruit of knowledge.
Terrible court. Get out of our bodies, it is not your business. Lawyers are in our their heads. look at Trump, insane. This court needs to be managed and we need better justices who are supporting freedom and women.
🎯 Every pregnancy/woman are unique. Almost as if there us a reason for meducal subspecialties like Obdtetrics and Gynecology.
Exactly! How dare they think it’s their right to have a say in women’s medical issues ! It wouldn’t be an issue if men gave birth !
Have you seen the video clip of the ignorant male Oklahoma legislator asking from the floor what they planned to do to protect babies born from ectopic pregnancies?! 😵💫🤯 I guess they need health class there!! 😱
This is exactly what we need. Just like having insurance approve your procedures, now you need a judge and county prosecutor to approve your surgeries. Brilliant!
This is the problem with Pro Life, if you believe it, then it takes the woman to death's doorstep before intervention is allowed.
Too late Coney Barret. This will always be on you.
No pregnancy is a health neutral event. Some pregnancies will go fine, but all pregnant bodies go through trauma. Women have a basic human right to agency over their health.
Remember which party believes in personal responsibility while supporting unaccountable corporations' free speech. Remember in Rovember.
It's the economy......Stupid!
@@BudBoomer-st2beabortion bans are economic warfare.
@Miguelito00750 life began on this planet 2 billion years ago. It's evolution.
@Miguelito00750 all praise the Amun Ra.
@Miguelito00750 now ask them their position on abortion.
If men had babies, bodily autonomy would be an absolute right, without question, exception or apology. The idea that anyone would be in a position to put a man's life in jeopardy by denying them a legitimate and required medical procedure, and is making that decision absent any expert medical knowledge and driven by irrational personal beliefs would be shocking. We wouldn't even be entertaining a debate.
Medicine does not end at conception.
Yes soon in these states women will not receive emergency care unless they look over 60 or under 7 just in case it ultra rare pregnancy
Trump & the Supreme court owns this problem they made it😮
Sadly, those suffering are women in poverty/who are uninsured. Not these monsters that imposed this on them.
The potato field known as the State of Idaho is going to lose every professional young family it possesses because it will have no OB/GYN and no rights.
Huge brain drain coming!
@@leighannsoles8432 the government has been draining brains for quite some time now.
I've read a couple articles already that young families in Idaho are leaving the state because reliable OB/GYN care is becoming unavailable. Maybe this is what the state legislature wants -a population of seniors & poor economic forecast since young families have left! 🤷♀️
Exactly. So much for Republicans being family friendly. 🙄
@bookgirlny8511 Does that mean you want the doctors to abandon the Hippocratic oath, Do No Harm?
I would think that mandating delayed treatment, allowing a treatable condition to become a life-threatening emergency, is not only bad medicine, but should be legal malpractice on the part of Idaho legislators. Is there no legal equivalent of the Hippocratic oath?
…and the reality is that it is under federal law which can put medical providers and facilities in an extremely precarious situation.
Please Justice ⚖️ Sotomayor,,,, stand your ground!!!!
College students SHOULD be paying attention to this issue
They will once they have an unwanted pregnancy.
Their to busy supporting terrorists.
I'm sure they are. Keep the snark to yourself.
They should pay their own student debt too
SCROTUS needs term limits. Some are as old as the barbaric laws they've enabled states to unleash on pregnant women.
How would term limits have prevented this?
And they also need a code of ethics that has enough teeth that they can be removed when it is clear that they keep ruling unconstitutionally and that they are taking bribes
So RBG being on the bench until she died caused this? Great logic there. Agree there should be term limits for EVERYONE in the Government but my reasons are different than yours.
@@ykrgfk 1) justices more aligned with the will of the citizens.
2) more accountability if you aren't sitting in a lifetime appointment, totally immune from your biased judgment.
3) political appointments locked in for life due to unscrupulous political leaders
@@stormottr6059
1) Justices aren’t supposed to be the will of the people that’s called a representative. Justices are there to interpret the law. Acting in the will of the people would be personal bias.
2) Not exactly, we have term limits for presidents and they are more corrupt than Kings.
3) Having term limits again would increase politicalization as much like we track house and senate elections and align them with presidential elections, we would start to do the same with Justices which will corrupt the office.
These debates were made many years ago when the courts first came about and the current system was agreed to be the best. The fact is, induced abortion is not implied or mentioned in the constitution and not protected. Which means in accordance to the 10th amendment, states have the power to regulate. To do other is to blatantly corrupt and ignore the constitution.
When some man can carry a 5 pound bowling ball sitting in his abdomen for nine months, then pass it out of his body from between his legs, then he can weigh in on something related to birth. Until then, they need to sit down and be quiet.
And, it is very important for men to really step up as allies on this matter, for their wives, girlfriends, partners, sisters, daughters...maternal deaths are real, look to underdeveloped countries stats, and these men need to show up to the ballot boxes!!!
Heck, just look at stats from Alabama and Mississippi.
That these cases keep going back to the SCOTUS is tragic. The monsters who overturned Roe wanted this, and horrors that have come of it will not sway them to sensibility.
this is a huge problem for women, men thinking they know more about a woman's body then women do..male lawmakers ruling over woman's bodies needs to stop....
Women think they know more about men's bodies
when they allow their sons to MGM.
The majority of pro lifers are women. Pop, there goes the balloon bogeyman.
And there's always birth control!
Women hold the majority for voting. Blame women for voting those men into office.
@@BudBoomer-st2beFollow the conversation before you make stupid comments. The Supreme Court case is about women wanting their baby that they’re carrying but have medical emergencies. It’s not about women not wanting to be pregnant.
Texas hospitals are already refusing to treat pregnant women due to the legal consequences if the fetus dies. And I don't blame them one bit.
Really? I was a health care professional. Was. I wouldn’t let them off the hook so easily. They aren’t the villains here, but they aren’t heroes. Don’t think they are. Don’t join them in that fantasy.
What happened to the oath doctor's take to save lives?!! Laws be damned!!!
@@kathleenaustin327what about the babies life?
@zachmasters7397 What baby? If you are going to classify a zygote as a baby, then there is no such thing as abortion. The "baby" is an illegal squatter and therefore will be evicted. It is then free to go rent a place somewhere else.
@@zachmasters7397 depends on if the baby or mother is going to die!! Save both!
Imagine if men's reproductive health went thru these sort of hoops of fire. This is all so sickening.
Next is LGBTQ rights. Vote.
Soon...women's right to vote
Do more than just vote every few years.
@@paulas_lens
Voting is one right that wn Shouldn't have.
Unless they sign up for selective service.
Y'all are the worst part of America
Oh please lol
Nothing Pro-life about Supreme Court debating whether States can order Doctor's to let women die rather than provide life saving abortion in a medical emergency. It shouldn't have to be said!
In Canada, when a matter such as the question of medical determinations is before the Supreme Court, we have experts give testimony, as interveners offering their opinions on the matter...not lawyers wading in without any actual knowledge of what is a medical issue!!!
Yeah...we have that too. Lol. The justices have thousands of briefs and expert opinions from around the world. This is the Supreme Court. The testimony has already happened.
It seems to me that the person's need takes priority over the potential person's need.
Idaho has said in no uncertain terms that the life of women have absolutely no value. They have said that the Constitution doesn't apply to women, that they have no right to pursue health and happiness. Idaho is Gilead.
Facts!
All about intimidaation and control...not care or wel-being...NOT medicine.
I have had 5 pregnancies, all wanted, resulting in 4 children, much loved while being raised with much effort to be good citizens and human beings.
What I share with all women.... including Amy Coney Barrett......who reacted exactly as I did to the Idaho attorney when he was being obviously slippery and was in the end not credible (when he was directly asked about how things actually work in real life medical situations. and how the doctors and administrators, will be under pressure to NOT do what is best for the woman (patient).
Of course the Court NEEDS to worry about what the LAW says, but as important is how it will actually function in real life!!!!
And I would NOT trust that Idaho attorney's representation of how anything would work for any Idaho woman in an emergency room, in the horrifying and scary moments when something was obviously going very wrong with a pregnancy. I have been there.
I had two abortions . And i have raised my kids i gave birth too. Why should i have a baby i dont want or know or i cant caree it. Diesnt a child deserves to be with soneone who is goung to give the child love
Birth control
@@karenhubbard5037 Doesn't always work like it should. Then, there are the times when a baby is wanted, but the body says differently.
@@karenhubbard503788% of women of child-bearing age who don’t currently want children use birth control.
@@karenhubbard5037 You are thinking too simple, Karen. Birth control fails...whoops pregnant. And it is not right to force a woman to carry a genetically or physically not viable fetus to full term. A serious mental hardship on the woman. Also the cost of delivery and risks to the woman increase the later in pregnancy that birth occurs.
Even if they’re allowed to treat in medical emergencies they are going to be extremely afraid to do so because they could get charged, lose their license, and anyone can interpret “medical emergency” however they want. No wonder their OB departments are closing all over the state…
I foresee lawsuits when someone dies because they had to go out of state for a medical abortion.Or even if they live have reproductive problems because of this law. I know firsthand. I was pregnant and happy about it. Then had severe pain so i went to the hospital. They did ultrasounds but said everything was fine. It wasn't. I had an ectopic pregnancy that they missed I was on the phone with my mother and she knew something was wrong. She drove over and rushed me back to the hospital. My fallopian tube had ruptured. I was bleeding internally. They had to do emergency surgery . I was going into shock from blood loss.They said i was close to dying. I had reproductive problems because of my pregnancy. And developed uterine cancer. I will never be cancer free and wil always have health issue's. If this law was in place then and they had detected my pregnancy was an ectopic one,what happened to me would still have happened because the only way they could prevent my tube rupturing would be to-do an abortion.Thats wrong. No woman should have to experience what i have gone through.
If doctors now need to ask lawyers about when/how to treat medical issues, then I think it's only fair that lawyers be forced to ask doctors about when/how to handle legal issues.
The state has no place in our private lives regarding reproduction.
Trump is to blame for this mess. The GOP is going to get hammered in Nov. The majority of Republican women will not vote for Trump because of this single issue.
The men judges shouldnt get a vote
Well that's just sexist!
Neither should the religious females trying to impose their delusion on others
Protect women - vote BLUE 💙🩵💙🩵💙🩵💙🩵
How could anyone be divided on the concept of a medical emergency?
Because they care about The Unborn fetus even if non-viable more than they do the pregnant woman or a woman in general
These justices are injustices. Disgusting.
The Conservatives on the Court own this.
This is what happens when issues are complex, medical, and involve women's health are decided by people whose knowledge of and experience with those issues is limited.
Much 😘 love & rights to all woman 👍 🇺🇸
If my business was my business and no one else's this would not be happening.
All doctors should down tools in support of their OBGYN colleagues until this crap is sorted. If that sounds extreme it will be more extreme when doctors start leaving the states that rabidly support Dobbs and this will translate to migrations abroad. Everywhere in the world needs doctors.
End the madness , Vote Blue , Blue , Blue , 💙💙💙
The GOP is a one-issue party.
It's a no issue party. It's only about project 2025 and what the members of the heritage foundation want
Most republicans don’t care about abortion.
Only if the issue you're talking about is power or control.
Lol...! y'all the side that wants to murder babies, let all the other issues burn...but with rising costs, rising taxes, rising crime, weak foreign policy, men getting pregnant, etc. what else do the communist democrats have to run on...?
They fooled these women by convincing them these bans would stop termination of unplanned and unwanted pregnancies. Idaho women found out the hard way the truth of how they really feel about women’s health. It’s a hard pill to swallow but I’m glad they’re not going down without a fight ❤
roberts, kavanaugh and barrett better act right. complete insanity.
The justices are likely to rule whatever Leonard Leo tells them to rule.
Remember this in Roevember.
Only in the ante-diluvian USA.
Idaho voted Republican. They are getting what they asked for. Simple as that.
The problem is that EVERYBODY suffers from the (bad) choice of the majority.
@@mikejankowski6321 True. But mor Republicans will suffer. The fact that they don’t change after suffering speaks to their level of intelligence.
Honestly, there was a lot of confusion for the lawyers in these arguments. The abortion laws are not as clear cut as they like to make it sound. Both of the lawyers were struggling. I wanted to agree with the lady, but I don't want the federal government to have authority over healthcare decisions, hospital options, doctors choice/conscious, forced treatment and hospital funding. Too much.
Should have left Roe.
Prelogar was not struggling. The laws are poorly written because they were not written by doctors. They were written by politicians who are not even required to have a high school diploma? Would you trust your health to them or a medically trained doctor?
Hospitals won't provide obstetric care.
thank you ladies!!!!
Or For The Mess, They Themselves, Created!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How can anyone dispute Michael Drebeen's assertions???
There is No Fall of the Republics Party ! We are Strong . Each State can take care of their needs! Please, this is going to work out it really will!
Lol
Are you kidding me everyone hates Republicans now who would rather have women bleed out from a miscarriage then be provided Medical Care
Why does she look so sickly? 4:00 👀
Since the Roe framework essentially medicalized abortion decisions beyond the first trimester, and since abortions in the United States are now performed on demand and only rarely for medical reasons which could end the life of the mother, what can we conclude about the value and impact of medical necessity determination in the case of induced abortion?
How come I cannot get Katy Tur on RUclips when I type it in?
We are in a quandary.. Ha .. A lot of issues of medical heart , liver, kidney and all medical issues need Aid!
This is a MENS ISSUE TOO.
GOD! The men on the Supreme Court!!!!!
Maybe you need a state to have a section for your causes in each state!
Come to oregon !!!
The 2016 election is coming back to haunt Democrats and Independents. They're regretting staying home instead of voting.
Justice Alito sounded like former president Trump embarrassing himself and his covid response team by suggesting to bring light into the body or inject a disinfectant like bleach. Or viewers who look at House or Doogie Howser and think, I could do that.
My theme song for this issue is "Private Idaho" by the B-52's. My guess is that, like prohibition, it will eventually be overturned, but at significant cost in the meantime. Or maybe only old people and zealots will live in Idaho, Alabama, etc. I also have to ask, will young professionals, especially those disinclined to literal interpretation of the Bible (scientists) move to a state where they or their significant other could bleed out in the ER because there just aren't any doctors in their city?
I dunno, thoughts and prayers?
Anti abortion crowd is ridiculous. They are saying there would be no chilling effect but the docs who actually would do the procedure say there would be.
Too many men involved!!!
The original roe vs wade was put forth by men. I think it's more political stance.
The fact that we are in frknt of the SCOTUS arguing about which organs we're gonna let women lose without their consent is TRULY baffling. And its ALL thanks to the 'small government' GOP.
00:03 NBC News Washington Correspondent Give-Me-Shell-Cinder?
Loosing organs is no minor issue. It's incredible the whole medical profession is afraid of doing their jobs because of stupid, ignorant laws.
Doctor: she needs this procedure or she might die.
Politicians: if you do this procedure, your career is the only thing dying.
Vote Blue 🇺🇸🇺🇸💙💎
The💙 best
True Christians know it's God decision in the End. Not the Corrupt Court ran by Corrupt Evangelist that only want control and power.
God decides to allow one woman to have a normal pregnancy and decides another woman should have a stroke due to pre-eclampsia, then another to have a fetus without a brain or othe abnormality. You are sick to think a God gives a crap about helping one woman and punishing another... for what?
Unless God is going to be the physician performing the necessary medical treatment then I don't know what you're talking about
@Kwk16534 God is not in the equation. Keep your God (rhetorical... not necessarily at you). I don't like your version of an over-controlling God. Your God causes too much pain and strife.
I had five babies and I didn't have any emergencies, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen for other women. I'm just sharing my experience. The decision should be between a woman and her doctor and the government should not be involved. Doctors will not abort a viable baby except to save the woman's life. It goes against their oath.
Technically doctors will induce labor if both lives are in danger. With abortion bans those procedures are illegal too
If abortion is gone we will need to start vasectomies and cracking down on erectile disfunction meds.
Love your deity, disrespect women.
It's a simple proposition: If you vote, we win; if you don't, they win. Vote to protect women's rights.
Except we can't vote away the Supreme Court or some of the federal justices so what then😊
@@Kwk16534 You can vote for the people who appoint them. Play the long game. They've been planning this for decades.
A bunch of women talk about a bunch of men’s views on abortion. I’d strongly recommend better journalistic approaches than this. Sit down with some men and women. Share different perspectives and do some actual learning from one another. There’s too many assumptions and demagoguery in this video with too little perspective.
Men can’t get pregnant and have no understanding of how it entails. Yet these dinosaurs want to impose their religious beliefs on others. So yeah they can stick their beliefs
Burisma Biden ask him what to do ?
Obviously we should all just accept the male justice's prevailing theory on women in regards to pregnancy and abortion:
No worries, women are made of rubber.
Norma McCorvey, aka Jane Roe lied and recanted long ago.
So what? How does that change women's rights to medical care privacy and their right to control their bodies?
She didn't have the abortion either.
Yes your talking about the emergency part of the issue.
What do you say about women or men that want women to have an abortion based on they cant take care of it so they need to abort?
About the woman: Not my uterus, not my problem. To the man: Ask the woman what she wants.
Butt out. Private decision between a woman, her lived ones and healthcare professionals.
If need to control others even bodily persists there are anger and control behavioral management programs available in many communities.
Elective abortion doesn't come up in an emergency the question you should be asking is should a woman be forced to die in a medical emergency to protect their unviable fetus will absolutely not survive outside the womb
Wow y'all really need an actual EDITOR to edit your blurbs. 🙄
Go SCOTUS!
Defend the babies
Doctors need to "man up" and just carry out procedures they know are needed. I will happily give money, such as go fund me, to support a doctor in court. The insanity needs to stop. The health of the primary patient, the mother, is paramount.
No way! Leave the state and let them fend for themselves. Throw away 20 years education, $250,000 student loans, suspension of license and 5 years in jail? You get what you vote for that’s what the say all the time.
Let's put a few of those in court and prove if the law is workable. Get 59 doctors in court and there will be a backlash. Keep trying to change the laws of states requiring the life to be in danger. Keep moving towards abortions being provided again for early pregnancy stages.
We will be Thankful Women use precautions and don’t get pregnant!
Teach woman how to make good decisions!
Indiana has already banned funding for IUD's for women on Medicaid.
How does that help married couples who are trying to have children?