What Do Seventh-Day Adventists Believe and Why?
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2020
- Seventh-Day Adventism is a fascinating expression of Christianity to me, and I learned a lot about their theology and history (and had fun doing so) by sitting and talking with Justin, Greg, and Dan.
GREAT video from my friend Justin's channel "I'm Listening": • Atheist attacks Christ...
A bunch of you support this channel at patreon.com/tmbh which is generous and helpful and awesome. If you feel like getting on board with that you can, but more than patreon support, I'm just thankful you're here.
Hey Matt! Great job on the video! I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to come by and hang out. I know we got into the weeds on this one, but thanks for asking such good questions and for listening!
I appreciate you man! Thanks for putting up with my unending barrage of questions and for being a friend!
So much obfuscation! Do you really feel okay about the skewed view of Adventism that the apologists always give? The dishonesty in the SDA church is staggering. Always has been, always will be.
@@mimiwest3256 I wonder what Matt would say to a friend who was considering leaving his church to go to a SDA church. Would Matt say "yep, go for it, they are true brothers in Christ", or "I don't recommend the SDA church for you to particpate in for these reasons........".
Mimi West tell me what was skewed, if you don’t mind
@@JustFollowJesus the part when Justin (I think) says keeping the sabbath doesn't save you. That's an outright lie.
I come from the sda. And I've watched all you videos over some time. The reason I watch is the way you respect and handle these difficult conversations. Keep doing what you do man. I honestly believe the Lord has been guiding you. Thank you.
I appreciate that
@@@MattWhitmanTMBH : I'm sure you do😊👍
*Amen!* Indeed he is open to truth... I'm SDA too and I keep searching out for truth.
Happy Sabbath! God's 4th Holy Seventh Day Sabbath commandment. Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.
Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 12:8,
John 14:15 If you love me keep my commandments.
@@narrowwaytolife4525 hey you should read aoc network blog on the sabbath its on aoc network. Org
I like that this is a literal Ten Minute Bible Hour.
Took me a sec...
Hey spoiler alert! I haven't made it to the end yet.
The title is correct but incomplete, this video is a ten minutes and an hour video
Happy Sabbath! God's 4th Holy Seventh Day Sabbath commandment. Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.
Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 12:8,
John 14:15 If you love me keep my commandments.
@@narrowwaytolife4525
12 - 26 - 20
#1 Ellen G White was a SELF Proclaimed Prophet
#2 Adventism IS Catholicism
#3 Adventism IS Mormonism
ANSWER
GRACE
G - God's
R - Riches
A - At
C - Christ's
E - Expense
Try it , don't be on the EXACT SAME eleven types of MASONIC PROBATIONS that Joseph Smith the 33rd Degree Freemason inserted into the text AND then obviously PLAGIARIZED by Ellen G White
Jesus- GOD- YHWH- YAHWEH- YESHUA in the FLESH loves you and so do I
AGAPE !
Hi Matt, just wanted to say thanks for this video. I'm a Seventh-day Adventist Pastor. I love that you weren't shy about asking questions and pushing back, but that you were kind and thoughtful in your conversation and fair in your evaluation. You've really modeled for us how to interact with our brothers and sisters in Christ from different faith traditions. God Bless you!
I really appreciate that Brian.
I have question pastor how does it feel teaching theology of demons to spiritually weak people as your religion is based on lies
Your SDA lies are leading people into damnation and you know this I as a so called pastor teach your people the Bible and not the EGW theology teach them the Grace without the deeds of the law which you bound to time is running out make haste stop lying to your flock
Great discussion Matt! Thank you for your positive and open minded approach. As an SDA, I could relate to the perspectives shared by your guests. Even though we hold many interesting and unique understandings that we believe are clear in scripture, still, a daily relationship with Jesus is the most important. Our church is blessed to have so many programs, educational institutions and vibrant medical outlets that engage and nurture our members. Also great broadcasts with so many mission minded speakers like on Hope Sabbath School, Amazing Facts and PMC Church. I have several family
members that had serious health conditions and were each able to receive great lifestyle improvements thanks to New Start, at Weimar California.
If you ever do a follow up program you might be interested to know some of our end time
views on the rapture, mark of the beast and America’s involvement in last day events. These are timely messages for us SDA.
One final thought on the servant of the Lord, Mrs. Ellen. Reading the popular book Desire of Ages provides a quasi “Max Lucado “approach to the life of Jesus. You instantly realize that she was a avid bible student and had a tremendous love for Jesus. The prose is so moving and in-depth. She was prolific and wrote on a plethora of subjects all to nurture the Christian. We are often times misunderstood and sadly misrepresented at times. Your interview will help dispel the myths about the SDA. Thank you!
SDA is based on the teachings of EGW, not scripture
I'm a skeptical agnostic. But I love history. Studying the western history is impossible without understanding the nuances of Christianity. For that reason I find your channel VERY informative and enjoyable. I'm also not too proud to admit that I find some of what you discover inspiring.
This is just a great channel. Such chill vibes, so little judgment. There are only a few channels, of any faith, that cover the history of christianity so well. I really like Bart Ehrman also.
@@GelidGanef Ryan Reeves is great as well.
The seed has been sown, and Jesus makes sure everyone has at least one opportunity to be saved.. John 3:16
Great job! I KNEW the payoff would be great after the cliffhanger from the first video. I began these videos knowing nothing about Seventh-Day Adventists, and have learned so much from your rich conversation. These conversations are one of my favorite things on RUclips. I never miss one. God bless you!
Matt Bryant - The problem is that when being interviewed knowing they are going to be viewed by masses of people, everyone is on their best behavior and not everything they say is the full honest truth on what their group believes.
It becomes a very different story once someone joins that church. Little by little, more is revealed, expected and taught. And then, the person has either stopped thinking for themselves and has begun to follow the cult religiously, or they find themselves having deep conflicts with what the Bible says and what they are expected to believe. This is a dangerous time since many can easily fall off the cliff and lose their faith not just in that cult, but in God Himself.
This doesn't just apply to the SDA. It's the same with Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, and other cults.
Carefully selected speakers from the cream of the crop will spew forth their deceitful words which are capable of selling eskimos ice cubes! Matt 24:11- "Many false prophets will arise and deceive many". Tread through their words CAUTIOUSLY!
@@rafaelcarbone1387 So well said, Rafael. Spot on!
Do not go by these men watch kenneth cox and walter veith you will understand a whole lot better this was so painful to watch
@@rafaelcarbone1387 but God gives the discernment to understand it rightly. It's better to get things from the source than to download it from an outsider who potentially also wants to look as the real deal.
Sabbath is such a great commandment. You are granted an earthly day to rest, recover and reflect on the testimony of Yeshua. It’s a day to establish a strong relationship with our creator, develop stronger bonds with family, friends and even testify to the promise of our creator. God bless you all and happy holidays.
I am retired and I rest completely many days of the week, and I do feel grateful to God for that privilege , a physical rest is good but the spiritual rest in Jesus is what is a saving rest, so, daily I rest in Jesus for my soul, giving Him glory, honor, and all my love doings.📖✝️🙏❤️🌹
All the commandments are great , for our good , blessings and love, but they do not save us, only Jesus gospel saves us, because He paid for our not keeping perfectly the laws, so He kept them for us and when we believe that, He covers us with His Righteousness in the Day of judgment and there will not be found condemnation against us. Amen!😇✝️📖❤️🙏🥰
Why only one day per week? Heb. 4:7 said we aren't not bound by a certian day, our CHRIST Rest is 24\7 into eternity.
@@olgaburgos7780Alleluia, Amen and Amen. Jesus is the way to the Father.
@@olgaburgos7780Amen
Thank you! I am Catholic and have met some great folks, loving people, that are devout Seventh Adventist. Your video gave me new insights and helped answer some of my questions.
so I'm Catholic, but just to humor all the protestant sects, I frequently declare Jesus as my LORD and Savior and accept the gift of his blood - in the Eucharist! The best part is, I actually have Jesus there at my "Sabbath" observance...now if only word could spread...
"hey that church has a cool band, and this one a mile down has the best donuts, and that one over there has Jesus Himself, but they have all these rules and this talk about one body but they don't let me make up my own interpretation on salvation...what one is it gonna be?"
I think they are doing fine. Good folks who love their families and are fair and kind to others in this world. I dont believe in proselytizing. I believe in respecting others choices and seeing commonality. If they are interested, they.ll ask. .
@YAJUN YUAN sure buddy 👍
Brothers and sisters please take a moment to pray for peace and reconciliation amongst our people today.
Of course
Every day. Pray for the lost, and unity of the body of Christ.
Amen!!!
Amen
Jesus never taught reconciliation. He told everyone to walk away from the false teachings.
The devil wants reconciliation and one world church.
Hay Matt. As a SDA pastor this video was great. I like your neutral approach and the way you try to understand the most that you could. Really like your input. Blessings
I agree with you but sadly somebody is gonna try to attack you for being SDA so just watch out brother
Is the truth neutral?
The Father wrought by His Son in the creation of all heavenly beings. - Patriarchs and Prophets, Pg. 34.2
1 Cor. 8:6
Hello Pastor...I have been an SDA for 25 years and, while I do also appreciate the kind way Matt represented us, I am curious what part you found "great?" Was it the part where he stated in his conclusion that we are a church with a "prophet as our foundation?" Was it the part where he stated William Miller was a "false prophet" and that we grew out of a "false prophecy?" Was it the part where he said the investigative judgement was "non-consequential?" I could go on for hours with all the things he, and unfortunately, his three hosts said, but I won't. I would love if you would like to write me back so you can I can have a further discussion :)
Happy Sabbath! God's 4th Holy Seventh Day Sabbath commandment. Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.
Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 12:8,
John 14:15 If you love me keep my commandments.
Fascinating stuff. Please keep bringing us these videos! You're not afraid to respectfully ask the hard questions and then to listen and to try to understand.
Your method of reasonable and thoughtful exploration and processing of information is a model of excellence. It's much appreciated. Even more so in the devided climate of the day. Great video. Can't wait to see what else you've produced.
Good job on asking the right questions. There was a lot going on. It's amazing you can remain calm and not defensive when sitting down with three people instead of one.
Matt should definitely get extra credit for this one! What he did is no easy feat!
Huh those guys have no clue what true adventism is
There were lot of things they said that were wrong. They use the same Bible as us, but their beliefs are totally different. I pray that they read from Matthew to Revelation and NOT only Revelation. They are missing out on a lot of things that Christ taught. They also predict His coming and the answer is in the New Testament. No one knows the day and the hour of Christ' coming, not even the angels of heaven. Please read the New Testament from Matt to Revelation.
I live for this stuff, but wow my mind hasn't been blown to this degree in a while. Thanks again for the amazing work Matt, and good job holding your own with so much going on!
Yeah it would be difficult for me to sit through this. Props to him.
2 types of prophet:
Foretell
Tell For
*Foretell* is what most think of. Predicting the future.
*Tell For* is what a lot of prophets in the Bible actually were. Basically messengers.
ellen white was deffently a tell for
I’m an Evangelist and I am frustrated by people in the Church that claim a prophecy, it doesn’t happen ... yet the church keeps that person front and center. He Bible is very clear what to do with false prophets. They are to be expelled from any type of leadership roles, publicly removed because of the false prophecy- I personally think they should be encouraged to repent and continue to learn and be in the Bible, because It is a living breathing document gifted to us!!!!
Yep Ellen White told for, then
@@eileenprice6909 so you don't believe in prophecies then?
@@KABfromLA He may or may not, but that's not what he said. He just said that if someone prophesies something that doesn't happen, they should be deemed a false prophet and removed from any semblance of church leadership.
Of the videos in this series, this one is by far my favorite. The depth of the discussion and processing at the end of it is exactly what I signed up for.
Bullshit? Yummy!
Matt, I've really appreciated your thoughtful engagement and exchange of ideas without hostility. I've been around some Adventist circles and I think you did a good job getting at the core of things while giving just enough fair push back on the fringe beliefs. On another note, your daily podcast has been a real blessing, as well. I like your authenticity and down to Earth approach. Thanks.
I would love to hear you talk to someone from the Plymouth Brethren camp sometime. Keep it up, brother.
Matt, wow, I’m really impressed with your non judgmental, open minded, empathetic attitude, thank you. As an Adventist I wanted to reinforce and highlight some things that were said about your question on the investigative judgement. Your point I think was not questioning whether God makes judgements on people’s eternal destiny but why would He need a long drawn out formal process to do this. He is God, He knows all things and could do this in an instant. Adventist’s understand that there are really two things going on here. One is that humans are being judged based on their confession of sin and acceptance of Jesus as their sacrifice for their sins and secondly the Judge is being exceptionally transparent on how He is making His judgements because He Himself is on trial. Satan has made accusations that God is unfair so God is keeping careful record of everything in books. Not for Himself but for us and the angels and the universe to see and follow and review His work to answer satan’s accusation that God can’t be trusted. If God made instantaneous judgements that we couldn’t see He would have instantly killed Lucifer the moment he rebelled in Heaven. Why didn’t He do that and save all this misery and heartache? God knew that that action would have been right and just but the angels wouldn’t have known that. It wouldn’t have settled the matter. The angels would still have questions and might also believe God was unfair in His treatment of Satan but they would not say anything but would serve God out of fear rather than love. God is patiently allowing everyone to see and review His judgements that we may know He is love, He is fair and just. Thanks again.
As a former Adventist is pains my heart to hear a statement like "God is on trial". This type of thinking is found no where in the bible. God is the holy sovereign creator who sits in the heavens and does all that He pleases. None can stay His hand or say to Him "what have you done?". Not only that but the investigative judgement cannot be backed by scripture and I am willing to do a online video call to discuss this doctrine for anyone interested. My goal is not to hurt anyone or argue for the sake of arguing, but rather to speak the truth in love and glorify my Lord Jesus Christ in proclaiming and defending the pure biblical gospel of salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. The investigative judgement unfortunately distorts that beautiful message.
@@ByGraceThroughFaith_ I think Royce Graham meant that, just like God humbled Himself and became man on earth, He has humbled Himself and placed Himself "on trial" in order for us all to recognize He is just. Maybe? 🤔
Anthony Smith what’s your take on why God let Satan live and let him hijack his creation? What was the purpose for that?
@@KLuis-rq6hf he may have meant that, either way its unbiblical. The God we read about in the bible is the creator and sovereign ruler of the universe. None can thwart His purposes, and He works all things after the counsel of His will. There is no standard outside of His own righteous character by which to judge with, so the notion of created beings judging their creator is blasphemous if you ask me and 100% different than God humblimg himself to become a man.
@@shadouge1118 my take on that is the same as my take on why God created to begin with, His own self glorification. Romans 9 comes to mind when talking about Gods reasons for allowing evil to happen and continue, "What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-
Romans 9:22-23 ESV.
The great controversy is not a biblical concept and would not have been adopted if it wasn't for the teachings of E.G. White.
However, as much as I cringe from hearing someone say God is being judged, I am MUCH more concerned with the investigative judgement doctrine.
I am so excited to watch this because I know almost nothing about SDA. And Matt, I love how you do your interviews. The amount of graciousness and class is so beautiful! You ask great questions, but the kinds of questions that don't come with built in assumptions. Thank you for your ministry Matt!
This video was fantastic, keep doing what you're doing, Matt.
One area that I think should be clarified is that Adventists, to my knowledge, have never considered William Miller to be a prophet. When the Millerites taught that Jesus would return on October 22, 1844, they weren't claiming a new revelation from God. Instead, they were teaching what they believed to be the correct interpretation of certain passages in the Bible. Thus, it isn't accurate to describe the Great Disappointment as a failed prophecy. A failed prediction, yes, but there's a big difference between saying that you believe the Bible teaches thus-and-such and saying that God told you thus-and-such.
Correct. Also, I don't believe most churches even have a teaching on Daniel 8:14.
100% correct , and Tim Lehay is certainly making an "interpretive mistake" with an entire book series , so I don't think anyone should be bashing William Miller ... At least Miller studied more and found out he was wrong about the EVENT by sincere continued study .... MANY preachers have SINCERELY taught erroneous things in all of history , "sincere errors they thought was truth" , and if they received more light , they corrected the mistake .... There's a guy who said he "went to Heaven for 90 minutes" (Don Piper , I think) .... He said "Heaven has 12 gates like it says in Revelation" ...... Revelation says "THE NEW JERUSALEM has 12 gates" , NOT "Heaven" .... Heaven doesn't have gates because it doesn't have walls !!!!! He's not only wrong , but he is wrong while claiming to be an eye-witness .... Yet he is on Christian TV all the time blathering this unbiblical nonsense unchallenged
Yes. He was just part of a movement. it was not only him that came to this conclusion. One thing people also miss, is that Miller never became a SDA. He kept on making more date predictions and he never accepted the Sabbath.
Just go through all the false prophecies of Ellen White.
These guys misrepresented us grossly
I really thought the amount of humility that was at the table is incredible. Almost every Church I have ever attended or visited swore that they had Jesus' personal cellphone number on speed dial. These guys examined their own understanding against the Bible to determine where they were in error. Great video Matt!
Hi Ben. Are you an Adventist?
@@mimiwest3256 , what's behind your query?
@@sarracene Exactly what I asked...I wanted to know if he is an SDA, or coming from a different perspective.
@@mimiwest3256 , in its most basic form, being SDA means to proclaim the soon coming of our Lord & Savior while being peculiar to the world's eyes by emphasizing God's established special day of communion, since the foundation of this world; you'll find an account of the story behind the inspiration for our denominational name on a 3 volume book series titled "testimony jewels", a compilation of the complete 9 volume Testimony to the Church series; we officially took that name in the middle of the US civil war, on 1963.
@@sarracene I've read the Testimonies, Spiritual Gifts, and Early Writings.
Hi Matt, you were right on the money when you said you have the impression there are two types of adventists out there. It is absolutely true! I grew up in one of the very "conservative" - (yes that is the right term by the way, and one they wear as a badge of honor, as in non-conservatives are lesser adventists, and even lesser Christians in some groups) - branches of the church, who wielded Ellen White as the way to Heaven, at the very least on parr with if not completely above the Bible. (Sadly there are still many groups out there like this). Years later, after moving away from that community and finding the picture of God that group taught me completely shattered by the real world and the real Word of God, I am in the processes of trying to sort through my faith, figuring out how much of what I was taught to believe is actually in the Bible and how much is not.
Side-note about the investigative judgement - The Pastor didn't really clarify that the idea of the investigative judgement has to be filtered through the mindset of two of the other fundamental beliefs in order to make cohesive sense: The Great Controversy, and The Sanctuary. If you start with the Great Controversy - the big picture of the origins of evil, the war in Heaven he referenced, how the war between good and evil continues on earth today, etc - you have this big mind set of everything in earth's history following a specific timeline of events leading to its ultimate conclusion. Then you zone in on the Sanctuary, and it outlines what those events are, and gives the order and timeline of when - and WHY - they're going to happen. The investigative Judgement is then one of those events in that timeline - one of the last pieces of the puzzle leading up to the completion of earth's History. The pastor touched on these things, but kind of bounced back and fourth around them, rather than starting from the Big Picture > Timeline > Single Event. (Not advocating it being right or being wrong, just clarifying what the pastor was attempting to explain.)
No one believes Ellen White is the way to Heaven, Jesus is who we worship, it is through Jesus that we are saved.
Diane Chapman Very true. I am SDA as well.. Jesus is the way to heaven and not Ellen. Mrs. White helped know more about God.
Rachelle Anonymous As an x-Seventh day Adventist myself I attest you are completely correct in your comments (above noted). I was a 2nd Generation SDA who, in 1984, read a wonderful book 📖 titled, “Christian Be Free” by Samuel Pestes . That book 📖 caused me to have many questions in my mind particularly about Seventh day Sabbath-keeping. I began an intensive, 1-year-long, study of the Holy Scriptures compared to E.G. White’s writings, the SDA doctrines, wherein I clearly noted the error in the SDA doctrines/teachings/beliefs. And, although it was a difficult decision to leave my friends and the denomination I had belonged to for 38 years......I gladly did so for the sake of the Truth & Gospel of Jesus Christ. I’m 72 now, and was baptized last Sunday, at the Baptist church I now attend. What a joy it was/is to make that public demonstration of being buried with Jesus in a watery grave and come up from the water, a new creature, to walk in newness of life. I read your post with great 👍 interest and respect. May The Holy Spirit descend upon you greatly as you search for the truest truth as found only in the Holy Bible. The Scripture, “You will look for me and find me when you have searched for me with all your heart” comes to mind. May you hide this in your heart as you find your way out of confusion and into the marvelous light and truth of our Sovereign God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.....is my steadfast hope for you, Rachelle ♥️
@@anothergoldilocks1077 Hi there! I am asking out of curiosity, but what was the error you discovered with the Adventist doctrines/teachings/beliefs? I am just curious! Thank you for your time!
Matt, I LOVED that you asked deeper questions! I know it's a year later but here's my view: I grew up SDA, with a minister for a father & I only heard about the investigative judgement when I was in a missionary group in my year after high school. Let that sink in for a minute. I think that so many SDA's have an incomplete perception - and leave - because they simply just don't know what and why we believe what we do & thus it becomes a thing to do to be 'good' rather than knowing the reason behind it. That is a blight on our recent history - I cannot be the only one. I always thought that the biggest difference was Saturday and not eating bacon haha. I can tell you this though: I was pretty agnostic about my faith until I had the investigative judgement & the millennium explained to me. I felt this strange warmth in my chest that I had never, ever felt before -- & I never knew that it was a doctrine unique to adventism. My heart and head just went, "yes, this makes sense. It's symmetry and beauty and this is the God I'd like to know". I now understand that it was the Holy Spirit drawing me in, and I'm so grateful.
Thank you for asking the good questions, for digging further. I appreciate your probing, genuinely sincere questions. We can all learn a lot from your treatment of fellow believers. Subscribed :)
I’m Catholic and loving these videos. Thank you for going on this journey and sharing it with us!
Read the Catechism and find your answer
@@LuisPerez-fy6up read the catechism and get your answer.
@@LuisPerez-fy6up welp then don't ask 🤯
@@LuisPerez-fy6up then you shouldn't read your Bible, makes no sense trusting a book written by men inspired by God.
If you also read your Bible, there is a verse that talks about not sharing false beliefs against others, and by saying these things (that we have stated we don't do), you are doing that.
I'll keep you in my prayers, may God allow you to see the beauty of others different than you!
@@marshallcampbell125 quote---Read the Catechism and find your answer.--unquote
I did and it either mis-quoted scripture or downright lied
Matt: "Why God need a investigative judgment?"... not sure if they made it clear, but a investigation or as you had said need that buffering is not for His all knowing mind, but for those that are not all knowing, us, the angels and other worlds... that God is just and good and patience and love and all the above, as the devil trying to mislead others on God's true character of love and just... God is also showing us that the devil's true character is selfish and unjust
Same reason God allowed Abraham to bargain with Him over Sodom and Gomorrah. In fact its the same reason for every Covenant Lawsuit throughout the Old Testament, i.e., God chooses to vindicate His character and His judgments to all the world.
Yes! It has often been mischaracterized as God scrutinizing our every move so he can find an excuse not to save us, but in reality it’s about seeing who has actually accepted Christ. If you’ve accepted Christ and are growing in Him there are no negative affects. The negative is for those who say they are Christians but act otherwise, hypocrites or essentially what all the sayings and parables of Christ warn against.
"The Lord knows (present tense) those who are his" 2 Timothy 2:19
"There is therefore NOW no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" Romans 8:1.
"Anyone who believes in Him is not condemned, but everyone who does not believe is already condemned" John 3:18.
The "investigative judgment" was over before it ever began. CASE CLOSED.
That's what I got from it too. The investigative part is for our benefit, not God's.
Jonas Aras I liked this reply. As an SDA, I agree. There is no condemnation. I see the IJ not as something that examines whether the blood of Christ can save, that is a done deal, but the IJs purpose is to see who’s claim to being “in Christ” is genuine. Personal sins have already been dealt with. The IJs purpose is to see who is under the banner of Christ. God does this so that at a later time He can show us all how he examined every life and can answer accurately why someone didn’t make it to heaven even though they claimed to be a Christian. Anyone who gains eternal life will do so because of Christ’s sacrifice. Only those who’s lives are examined and shown to display the fruits of the Spirit through the power of Christ will escape judgement.
Thank you for conducting an objective and respectful interview. Interviewing has been a core element of my career, hence I appreciate your style. Keep it up!
Great interview. Thoughtful ,respectful back and forth ..I knew absolutely nothing about adventism .now I know a little more ! I love your approach to your vids ( why I keep returning to them). Thank you!
With these trying and very stressful times, with 2020 being well 2020 and now riots in my home town. It is so uplifting and nourishing to see your videos.
Thanks friend. It's been weird of late, but I continue to love making videos like these.
I had never heard of your channel before three or so days ago. I had a very dark time for quite a while. Lost my fiance, drank a ton, condemned everything around...I was raised with a Christian education in middle school, but I saw holes in logic everywhere I looked. So I rejected faith for years.
All of a sudden I decided to start reading and praying again. I felt a love I knew was always there, but I forgot about. Explaining in a text doesn't do the justice, obviously...haha, but it was profound. I still don't know where I stand, but these videos do help.
Thank you for being moderate on most things and giving a solid look into these ideologies.
Keep up your videos man.
You do great work
As someone who has had faith struggles of my own many years ago, I love reading comments like this. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
I made a friend yesterday who's an SDA. Thanks for doing this guys!
I’ve been getting into your channel recently, Matt, and I have nothing to say but kudos for your humble, respectful approach to religious debates/conversations.
I wish you’re able to come back in touch with seventh-day adventism soon, having the time to process this truckload of introductory info. I think you’d find very interesting, poignant things reviewing the unique aspects of SDA that-naturally-are just scratched-on upon first contact.
This is the best way of having meaningful conversations
Im an Adventist was raised a Catholic. As an Adventist I was always taught the commandments dont save you, we obey God's laws because we are saved and love Jesus, thats why we keep them. Its not legalism to be obedient according to Jesus. Most people dont have a problem keeping all the commandments but for some strange reason they do about the 4th commandment, the longest and most detailed one, the 7th Day Sabbath commandment. It was made for man in the garden of Eden and will be observed in the earth made new according to scripture. Its really really important to keep all of God's laws they will protect you from deceptions like the Mark of the Beast.
Thank you.
Seen this time and again. Many Christians will completely void the whole 10 commandments in their efforts to evade the 4th.
The majority of Christians today believe the law - as well as the ten commandments were
nailed to the cross with Jesus and is no longer valid. Further, since Constantine, and the Catholic church, changed the worship day to Sunday, which is called the "Lord's Day" makes it even more confusing.
While I don't agree with some things the SDA believe, I do, however, believe they got it right with restoring the Sabbath Saturday, the original day of rest.
@@TruthSeeker951 Thank you and GOD be with you. Let me know if you wish to discuss the other points. Follow Jesus.
As a New Covenant Christian, why would you want to put yourself under the yoke of the law? (acts 15) under something that is old and ready to pass away? (heb 8)
There is a movie called " Tell it to the world" it is really well done and I encourage anyone to watch it to see the Adventist beginnings. I became an Adventist 3 years ago from reading the Bible alone and asking God to guide me to Truth. I had never read the Bible before and finished it is a month and 1/2. I Was a Sunday keeping protestant before I started but never studied on my own. He opened my eyes to many things including the Sabbath and other doctrines that I had never heard. I started to listen to many pastors and denominations, waiting to hear what God had shown me through His Word. Finally I heard a pastor speaking what God had taught me and it was a seventh day adventist. I didn't even know seventh day adventist existed. I heard not one word from Ellen G white before coming to their church and was very stand off about it. Then I decided to read one of her books. DESIRE OF AGES. If you read her writing you will know they point straight to the bible and are inspired. Love you all and can't wait to see you in Heaven!
Ellen G White took the writings of others DENIED doing it and claimed it all came directly from God..
Fundamental belief#18 states that she has PROPHETIC AUTHORITY..
the SDA church holds to the fact that the spirit of prophecy is the IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH, and that it was "MANIFESTED" through her writings...
THEREFORE.....In simple terms, she's held EQUAL to scripture.
You aren’t a Christian. You watched a demonic cult propaganda film. You are a naive simpleton captured by a heretical demonic cult. The real history of the Adventist demonic cult is disgusting. James and Ellen White were impoverished young people who became wealthy selling books and charts and even dress patterns for what Ellen called the “ Reformed Dress.” A king dress worn over pants. Ellen lied and pontificated God had shown her the dress in vision and it was essential for physical and spiritual health. She actually stole the idea from a local doctor who forced his daughter to wear the costume. Women hated the uncomfortable outfit but the prophet had spoken so they were obligated to wear it. Ellen stopped wearing her own costume and never ever explained why even though she promised an answer. This is just one example of many weird and freakish commands Ellen gave to Adventist demonic cult captives. You are a biblical fool and Bible illiterate. Tads not a Christian.
Here’s a challenge for you Adventist demonic cult member. It’s not a trick. Present a passage of scripture in a real Bible ( not the rag that Jack Blanco wrote entitled the Clear Word Bible. That’s your cult Bible), in which the risen Lord instructs anyone to keep a weekly day set apart. Easy challenge. If sabbath keeping ( you have never kept sabbaton) is a salvational issue then you can quickly and easily present a passage of scripture in which Jesus taught his disciples to honor sabbaton.
Here ya go Judaizer- a biblical scripture that teaches you who the weekly sacred feast day of Shabbath was given to. “ You shall remember you were slaves in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore, the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.” - Moses. Deuteronomy 5:15. Where in holy writ is any gentile ever commanded to keep a Hebrew ritual law? Go ahead, give it your best shot heretic.
You are not going to see anyone in heaven. You aren’t saved. You have never been saved. Christians don’t join heretical demonic cults. You have zero spiritual discernment because you aren’t filled with the Holy Spirit. If you had spiritual discernment you wouldn’t be tricked by Adventist demonic cultists.
Wow, discussion was pretty deep. This was my first time listening to their theology. Thank you!
I was at an Adventist school (I went to one, and then a group of us gathered together to make music and learn for a weekend) that had a guest speaker in. He explained the judgement concept really well. The talk is called The Loveseat of Heaven by Cliff Gleason and it's available on RUclips. I've also met Dan in person, and he's so good to talk to!
I peronally question some of the details of the beliefs, but I like my small country SDA church family, and we hold meetings at a church level to make sure that things are going okay, and propose changes. Of course I have been to some churches, and seen people within the SDA faith that have some really weird ideas (like a few flat-earthers I met...) but the focus on comparing things against the Bible to see if they're right is something that I believe is important.
Now that I've watched more, yes, there are different groups. I worked at an Adventist camp, and some (usually older) people would insist that skirts must be a certain length, food had to be prepared a certain way, you couldn't go in the ocean on Sabbath... And all kinds of weird things. Honestly, it depends on the area you are in, and the cultural background of the members. It's a really odd position, but we were told to "not be stumbling blocks" to the conservative ones and try and be more in the middle in terms of behaviour and appearance. It's important to mention that yes, there is a lot of variation, and outside the 28 beliefs, there are a ton of other beliefs that individuals may have. It's hard to generalize things, and I like how this tackled that.
I'm a independent, after repenting of serious sins I asked for wisdom and I was given flapt Earth, sda ect.
I've had the spirit of prophecy it's in the form of what is truth and not and now I can say this matrix confirms your position in it three times or you could say the holy Spirit confirmed it to you. Fe removes some of the sin of idolatry which a normal person would not consider. There are 75 verses that definitely confirm the Fe but I could show you many more. I have strived for the last 5 years to keep the Sabbath and I'm not a SDA member.
A brief warning even atheist can be converted to believers in a creator so if you don't want your eyes open don't look into it. A mechanical sense, nothing on this Earth works on a globe unless specifically designed to ie a certain space pen certain race cars that can run upside down and certain airplanes.
Thank you!
I am an Adventist from Austria.
And this was a blessing to me!
Hiya Matt, I'm in seminary training to be a Unitarian Universalist minister, and Ive enjoyed learning about other expressions of Christianity on your channel! Its a changing and interesting time in our faith, and I think it would make a lovely hour of theology talk
Thanks for presenting info in such a kind manner. You create a great atmosphere!
Hi Matt:
Jesus' position @the right hand of the Father can be both literal and figurative. However, I believe more figurative. It is a position of authority, much like a "right hand man".
Also, the throne moves. You will see in Ezekiel that God's throne has wheels.
Lastly, everything in the earthly sanctuary was a type.
Just as the killing of the animal and sprinkling of the blood was only the beginning of the process of the reconciliation for our sin, similarly Jesus's death is just the beginning of the process. The priests, after the slaughter of the animal still had to go through the process, ministering in the holy place, and finally the most holy place on the day of atonement.
So Jesus did not complete the antitypical sanctuary service when He died, but completes His antitypical priestly ministry in the heavenly sanctuary.
Read revelation, Jesus appears among the 7 candle sticks...this is the Holy place of the heavenly sanctuary...revelation has a lot of sanctuary language. Hebrews 8:5.
Moses was admonished to make the tabernacle according to the pattern shows him, which was a copy of the true. Ex:25:40.
The earthly sanctuary was supposed to show a type or process as to how God would do away with sin. The death of the animal was the beginning. Jesus is finishing up that process. However, we have FULL forgiveness NOW by faith, because His word is as good as DONE!
Just as in the old testament, sins were forgiven even though Jesus had not yet come and died, because His promise is as good as Done.
God operates in time for our benefit, even though He is outside of time.
He is letting this thing play out for us who do not have His omniscience. For judgement to be fair, there must be a process. God is not a tyrant.
He could have judged/ destroyed Lucifer/Satan immediately. However, for the sake of fairness and His character vindication before the universe, He lets this thing play out. Imagine God just zaps Satan dead, then all angelic beings worship God out of fear, not love. This thing has to play out so that all inteligent life, unfallen angels and humans see that "God is fair".
Also, the process of judgement will be there for the redeemed to examine...the process is for us, not for God. 1 Cor. 6:2-3- judgement will be given to the saints, we will judge angels.
Stephen will wonder how Paul ended up in heaven, through the judgement he will see how that happened. Those of us who who don't see a person who from all accounts should have been saved will wonder what happened, through the examination of God's judgement process will understand. The judgement is not for God, it's ultimately for us. Every knee will bow and tongue confess
I am running on and on. Revelation 15:3-just and true are your ways o King of saints. Phil 2:10, 11 every knee shall bow. 1:03:50
Matt you missed one important controversial topic, and that is the eschatological Sunday worship = Mark of the beast connection which was put forward by Ellen White
@12345soccerguy bruh 😂😂😂
@12345soccerguy all other Christians worship on Sunday because Sunday is the "Lord's Day" and it's the day Jesus rose from the grave.
@12345soccerguy how could it be Antichrist worship? There's historical evidence that Christians have done this since the early church
To be very clear, SDAs do not believe that Sunday will be the mark of the beast until the events in Rev 13 take place and people are forced, under pain of death, to worship in a time, place, and manner that they know to be unscriptural. Ancient Babylon threatened God's people with death if they did not worship contrary to God's revealed will (e.g., bowing to Nebuchadnezzar's golden image, later praying to anyone other than Babylonia king and gods, etc). In the Babylon of Revelation and the Mark of the Beast in Rev 13 it once again will involve false worship contrary to the first four commandments, under pain of death.
As of today, SDAs make it clear nobody has the Mark of the Beast described in Rev 13 until the events in Rev 13 take place (e.g., the death decree therein).
@@Jarrodjohn2007 They way I learned it, according to Ellen White, in the Eschaton, the pope who is the Antichrist will enforce Sunday worship on all of Christendom. And whoever follows these instructions, which will be all Christians except Adventists, will thereby accept the mark of the beast and be damned.
So there will come a time when Sunday worshipers will be damned according to SDA eschatology, no?
I cannot accept that, that is pure heresy imo
Hey Matt! Thank you for this video. I was born and raised in the SDA church and have done my own exhausted study on the church and its beliefs. I also love looking at other Christian denominations and taking a look at their nuts and bolts. I'll be looking at all of your videos and learning some more. Awesome channel! Keep up the good work. I'm subscribed.
Keep looking. Look at every Christian church you can that teaches Scripture and where you feel fed.
Truth can withstand investigation.
Me too, I was born and raised a Seventh-day Adventist, when I was in my 20’s I wanted to make sure I was in the correct Church as far as what the Bible teaches, I went to various other churches. Learned what their doctrines were on different issues. I then went back to the SDA Church, and I am glad I did.
His observation at the end is spot on, Adventists are divided into a conservative and a contemporary group. While they coexist, they don't really get along. From my experience. But both groups are good decent people.
Good and decent people animated by a corrosive ideology based on a perversion of scripture in support of a premise which has been one lie after the other since the 1800s
Good and decent people should condem a woman who claims that other racial minorities are the result of an amalgamation of man and beast😳😳
Is that Good and decent enough for you?
@@clarkent61 would you like to really know what she said on that subject?
Yup. And there can be even more than 2 divisions, but the major division is the conservative vs. liberal group. I don't fit into either camp so it's difficult to find a church.
Can you support your accusations?
@@clarkent61 Yes but you can say that about literally all of Christianity. Read the book Constantine’s Sword if you want a view of how the church has treated Jews since it’s early days.
This video was quite interesting as someone born, bred and steeped in Adventist culture. One interesting note is that "Adventist culture" is quite strong and pervasive and encompasses many things not included in official church statements. I think this explains some of the apprehension and vagueness in how the questions were answered: do I answer from an official standpoint or a practical one? Overall they spoke on official church stances and left out the practice. It's something I myself have faced and witnessed others struggle with as well. I have MANY thoughts on this video and thank the presenter for having this conversation.
ACROSS lol ..well said. 🤣🙏❤️🙋🏼♀️
This is true. What I like is it's just an objective view and exposure to churches which we might never step in but have been told certain things. I am especially appreciative with your talk with the roman catholic church. It helps me with my own protestant-catholic relations.
But it’s not objective. Had it really been objective he would have asked more critical questions and questioned their answers. Instead he apologizes for asking so many questions and accept their answers without any further comments.
Guy: asks what Sabbath observance looks like.
These Adventists: well it’s personal, it’s opinion...
Bible: 4th commandment?
Fella he means what it means to keep the sabbath holy means different things to different people. There isn’t one way because God didn’t demand a certain thing except to keep it holy meaning set aside for him.
The name "sabath" means day of rest. The Apostles changed the day of rest and worship to Sunday.
Changing it back to conform to premessianic mode, on Saturday, is not God's will, it's 19th century one man will.
Making a religion out of a day of rest is an illusion.
Joe Castillo Roman Catholic Church is Antichrist.
Joe Castillo sabbath was kept by the apostles and the apostles wouldn’t be able to change Gods law as it was. They always kept sabbath. See acts
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Jesus is God.
His death and resurrection brought a new beginning. We no longer are subjected to "the Law".
As I quoted:
Colossians 2:13-17
13 And when you were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive together with him, when he forgave us all our trespasses,
14 erasing the record that stood against us with its legal demands. He set this aside, nailing it to the cross.
15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and made a public example of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 Therefore do not let anyone condemn you in matters of food and drink or of observing festivals, new moons, or SABBATHS.
17 These are only a shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
Rather than fulfilling the Law of Moses, Paul points us toward fulfilling the Law of Christ: “To those outside the [Mosaic] law I became as one outside the [Mosaic] law, not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ, that I might win those outside the Mosaic law” (1 Cor. 9:21). He wrote also, “Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ” (Gal. 6:2).
The Law of Christ, or the New Law, is the second major revelation of positive divine law. It contains the laws set forth by Christ and the apostles in the deposit of faith. Some of these are moral (prohibitions on murder, adultery, and polygamy), some ceremonial (baptism, the Eucharist, Sunday worship), and some are civil or judicial (e.g., “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities” Rom. 13:1 and the Church’s social teaching, as grounded in the deposit of faith).
The New Law also provides something that the Old Law did not: the grace of the Holy Spirit, who empowers individuals to keep the New Law in a way that those under the Law of Moses were not able to keep it. This internalization of the New Law was prophesied by Jeremiah: “this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people” (Jer. 31:33).
Finally, I should mention two other manifestations of divine law-civil law (international, national, state, and local laws) and ecclesiastical law (e.g., canon law and liturgical law). As laws, they participate in the eternal law and we are bound by God’s authority to obey them. Thus immediately after telling his readers “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities,” Paul explains this by saying “For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment” (Rom. 13:1-2).
That's the advice Luther did not heed.
God bless.
Matt something I'd like to see is either a real or virtual round table of you and your friends from other churches where a question is presented and everyone chimes in.
A round table of religious dung. SMORGASBORD!!!!!
Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:
But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920:
If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church.
I am an SDA in the Fiji Islands and I enjoy your way of conversation with our church. I left Roman Catholicism because I wanted to keep Jesus' Saturday Sabbath. The Sabbath rest in Hebrew 4 is our rest in Christ, in His day and in His Place of rest the new Jerusalem.
I appreciated your conversation so much! It made a whole lifetime of religious controversy in my own family make a lot more sense. I have never been SDA, but my parents actually met at a SDA church but left when I was a baby. And I have very close family members who were deeply hurt by this church and soured them against Christianity in general because of the legalism and the spirit it was presented in. I remember my grandma hiding coffee because a church member was coming over, and she didn't want her telling the pastor and getting her in trouble, but when she moved to another city, the congregation there was much more open and loving and not nearly as legalistic. Your take I think helped me a lot to parse out the doctrine from practice and the different strands, if you will, of a group that most Christians don't engage with because I think they are not exactly sure where to put them. I appreciate your honesty and excellent questions that are probing but never hostile. It helps all of us to understand a lot better.
That is great. I don't know how old you are. I'm only 28 myself but what I've learned in my walk with Christ is, it's all about Christ. Christ is our example and He is the only thing we should look up to. Not the church or pastor. The church is made up of fallen people who need Christ as much as you and I. Thus sayeth the Word should always be on our lips and mind.
@@BensonPrince Thanks so much! I have been trying to dive into the Bible and focus on Christ through the sinfulness of people and the things they have done in his name. It can be difficult, but I have been trying to understand as much as I can in my limited capacity as a human in this confusing world.
If you read any of the New Testament from Acts on, you'll see that the Church was always dealing with controversy and trouble makers.
If that was true when the Apostles were around, its no surprise its true now.
The SDA church is most definitely a hospital for sinners, not a rest home for saints.
True, at times many SDAs have missed the whole point of who Jesus is and how we can receive salvation (and got judgmental about trivia such as coffee drinking), but God didn't abandon us to such lostness. He has graciously prevailed to bring us the light of the Gospel. However, you can also find such unChristlike attitudes in many other denominations. The SDA doctrines and interpretations of prophecy are definitely worth researching. An SDA Bible teacher will encourage you to also study with Bible teachers of other denominations and make comparisons, going between teachers with questions and seeking explanations. But it's important that we really want to know Bible truths, as well as the TRUTH (Jesus Himself).
First video I've watched, love this guy already. New sub.
Awesome, thank you!
Great conversation, as always! I love these videos.
I've been trying to take the idea of Sabbath more seriously in my own life, because I do think it's a commandment of God for a reason, and one that Jesus taught and respected (although he was clearly against a legalistic interpretation of Sabbath). A day of rest is essential. My Sabbath basically looks like this: church in the morning, restful time with family for the rest of the day. A few things need to be done (making meals, but they're almost always simpler than other meals; doing dishes, but we mostly use paper plates and bowls to cut down) but what can be done ahead of time or can wait until the next day isn't done that day. Pretty simple. Sometimes things come up, and sometimes I say no to things because I think it would interfere with Sabbath. But it's always about freedom to rest, rather than slavery to a law.
1844 and "investigative judgement"? What a unique and unusual belief! Fringe Christianity is so fascinating.
That is one of the reasons I went from SDA to Reformed Baptist.
@@mmtoss6530 It sounds like a false doctrine to me. I can't be part of a religion like that. October 22, 1844? It was simply the Millerites saving face. A religion that covers its own doctrinal error isn't one I can follow. Religion should expose the flaws of man to show the grace of God.
If you want to know what Adventist really believe then watch the Former
Adventist Fellowship.
It's not that I had a bad experience with Adventism (you can have that with any Church). I never thought I could measure up and was confused about how Jesus fitted into the picture. Praise God that He loved me anyway and saved me by His blood and grace. Never heard the Gospel from my Adventist family. Only when I read the Gospel for myself did I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior.
It's about a personal relationship with God ( He will put you on the right path) not having to follow a set of rules and doctrine.
Great job on this! Fascinating video!!
I really love what you do in these videos. I am a RC, and I appreciate the way you covered my own denomination. I see the same even-handedness in all your dialogues. You are one of the good guys. God bless you and keep it up.
Thanks for saying that Lance!
I was about to say the same thing that Lance said. Thanks, Matt for treating everyone fairly.
The Catholic Church is not a denomination. There is only one truth. There is only one Church.
@@patquint3291 I'm not Catholic but you're right that the Catholic Church in fact affirms it's the only true Body/Bride of Christ, so I don't know why Lance and John would claim otherwise. False ecumenism isn't charitable; it's not just either.
U are the master , u are the soul of Christianity, so don't stoop low with these stuffs .
My experience of Adventists was a family owned coffee shop I frequented as a teen. They were the only good place to hang out on Sunday.
Adventist coffee shop = oxymoron
@@JustFollowJesus I was thinking the exact same thing, in view of Ellen White's strong views against drinking coffee.
Bible Studies and Devotions and TheA That is interesting, but that doesn’t mean every adventist or even the majority think that coffee is bad. It doesn’t have to be an oxymoron, it’s just a tad ironic. It is perfectly valid though.
@@JustFollowJesus true - she wrote against the use of stimulants like coffee, tobacco and other items that were once considered medicinal and now proven to be unhealthy 😂😂😂
@@calansmith655 The official teaching of Ellen White is that coffee is a sin just like liquor.
I’m a young adult Adventist and I recognize that it takes an objective outsiders investigation into a faith to really teach me, an Adventist, all the nuances of my own faith and put them up to the light and compare them with the faith of others. Thanks so much for doing this video
@mexicanatta
My discoveries prove 1844 is nothing more than a great disappointment. SDA need 457 bc for the decree in Dan. 9:26 starting point for 2300 days to be in 1844. The year was 454 bc not 457 bc for supernatural reasons only YHWH could perform to the day and hour.
1. The decree was identified by the streets and walls being repaired in Dan. 9:26. SDA say it is the Ezra decree but the truth is Nehemiah recieved the decree in 454 bc Nisan 14th at the 9th hour. Neh. 2:5.
2. YHWH also caused a blood moon Tetrad to be a sign in the heavens Nisan 14th 454 bc; see NASA 5 millennium Lunar Eclipses 453 bc.
3. YHWH also had Ezek. 4:1-5 to begin it's 390 year countdown in 454 bc ending in an "iron pan" siege in 63 bc led by Pompey. Iron being symbolic for Roman the pan symbolic for Roman shields round about Jerusalem.
4. 454 bc + 69 weeks = 31 ad to Messiah cut off from the living not "baptized" as the SDA discern in error; Dan. 9:26, Isa. 53:8.
5. Ezek. 4:6,7 is from the 31 ad ✝️to the iron pan siege in 70 ad led by Titus.
6. Dan. 9:27 week is Passion week not the 70th week. In the midst of Passion week being a Wednesday\Thursday Passover Messiah was crucified causing the sacrifices to cease "IT IS FINISHED". The Thursday ✝not EGW's and the RCC good Friday ✝️allows JESUS to preach the Gospel to the fully conscious OT saints in the heart of the earth aka "Abraham's bossom" for 3 days and nights; 1st Pet. 3:18,19. JESUS didn't lie to the thief on the cross like EGW preaches because "TODAY" he was with JESUS in Abraham's paridise. Who do you believe Ellen's soul sleep or the preachings of JESUS?
7. Dan. 9:27 has the sacrifices ceased then Isa. 55:1-7 confirmed by the Resurrection aka "sure mercies of David at the end of Passion week; Isa. 55:3, Acts 13:34, Ps. 16:10. SDA teach Steven's death ended the 70th week in 34 ad for which is not biblical having not one date computation recorded in the bible nor historical proof. Grammatically the "consumation" is the 70th week first subject in Dan. 9:24. It states Jerusalem would remain trodden under Gentile ownership until the 70th week; Lk. 21:24 time of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
8. SDA change times from in Genesis evening and mornings being 24 hours by doing an antichrist change to mean a year; Dan. 7:25, 8:26.
9. The day of Atonment was on Sept. 23, 1844 not Oct. 22, 1844. In fact it is impossible for the Day of Atonment to be after Oct 14th on any given year. It is blasphemous for Ellen White to perpetuate the satanic lie that the Atonment was not made Resurrection Sunday but put off till 1844. Furthermore only an idiot or a satanic seed would believe such an antichrist lie.
That’s awesome! Keep studying. Keep learning. And pray everyday that the Lord reveal himself to you and you’ll be led into all truth!
Hey Matt, I just want to thank you for your videos. If I’d had a teacher like you in school I probably wouldn’t have wasted 26 years of my life without God. I really appreciate your honestly open & inquisitive style that focuses on edification and not destruction. Keep up the good work mate. I just watched your 2 videos on the seventh day Adventist Church and I think you did a great job introducing us to others. I spent 4 years in Canada and spoke often with my agnostic friend about spiritual and religious points during my conversion. Your style was very similar to those conversations and I believe your videos will help many make decisions for a saving relationship with Jesus. I just subscribed to your channel and look forward to watching your other videos.
This was very good Matt, very fair and evenly balanced. Thank you.
From the UK. I really enjoy your trips and conversations with different branches. Would you visit a nontrinitarian and Quaker church to discuss their beliefs a practices?
"I understand the pivot." Yes. I wish we could all aim to understand everyone else's pivot points. And, maybe more crucially, understand our own.
I thought this was a bible study? Should the bible not be the standard by which consensus is acheived?
Or is this a talk shop?
@@clarkent61 Not sure what you mean. Some of his videos are bible studies, but his denominational investigative videos help us understand how interpretations of the bible are lived and applied.
I live that time thing you brought up. I thought that part was an amazing dialogue between you two. You brought more answers to me haha. You're the man Matt. From New Zealand.
I love love love these videos Matt! It's a blessing to learn more about different denominations and to have my biases challenged.
I'm looking forward to the next one! I hope you get the chance to visit a Messianic Jewish church sometime. That would be fascinating!
I’ve been to a Messianic Jewish Synagogue. A BEAUTIFUL experience. It was soul stirring to hear the Cantor sing the Hebrew Scriptures and hear the Shofar (trumpet) blown during service.
I think a lot of Christians would also pick up on and be shocked by the annihilationist view.
Reformers believed in the annihilation. William Tyndale, the Bible translator!
Than how will the world that He created be reformed back to its original state without the wicked? There are people out there that truly turn away from God to idolize themselves and would rather be fed the lies and illusions society has deemed acceptable. Why would those Christians be worried or shocked by God’s justifying, deserving wrath if they have Christ and see him as Lord? Fire cleanses, as annihilating it sounds, and leaves room for newness and purity. What God is and will always be, and intended and still wants us to be as well. To me, it seems just seeing how the present and future will go for people who don’t want to be saved but be led by Satan or willingly blind to the truth
@@zy8753 What are you even trying to say? I can't tell if your commenting in favor of annihilation or not.
If evil is not annihilated, then God cannot solve the problem of sin, and there is no solution to the problem of evil. Sin remains and sinners will still curse God while in torments, and God will not get anything from such sinners. Or perhaps he is more sadistic than Satan.
Even in His final act of destroying sin, God is still merciful. He created us in His image with His character imprinted on our hearts. Sin marred His character in us. It is so destructive that murder was committed as early as the 1st generation family. God didn't immediately destroy Adam and Eve when they first sinned bcuz it would have given Satan's accusation credence (Obedience is impossible, God is tyrannical). Instead, He has given us all time to see the true character of Satan and of sin and to choose whom we believe. He's even told us the final outcome and given us a guide to achieve salvation. He says by Grace through Faith. So where do works come in? Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments. In Ecclesiastes 12:13,14 Solomon also said ... Fear God and keep His commandments for this is the whole duty of man. This is the way to having Christ's image restored in us. Verse 14 says God shall bring every work into judgment... So we are saved by grace, but judged by our works. So our works are evidence of the choice we've made. God has said that sin will never rise up again after it has been destroyed and the earth made new. It is not in His character to force His way upon us. Therefore instead of taking sinners to Heaven to endure His presence and forcing them to live outside of their characters He destroys them in mercy. It will grieve Him bcuz He loves us all, but He respects our freewill whilst honoring the promise to eliminate sin.
As someone VERY familiar with the Jehovah's Witnesses (a cult that also came out of the Millerite movement), and their excuses for and denial of their harmful teachings, this interview sends up so many red flags.
Are they making excuses or are you just refusing to accept some of your preconceived notions were wrong?
@@amazingbibleantiquities7221 Most of Adventist don't even like the Clear Word. There are even a lot of them are die-hard fan of KJV that they cannot even accept NKJV version.
@@amazingbibleantiquities7221 They definitely don't read the same Bible that I read. I happen to prefer the KJV.
@@amazingbibleantiquities7221 'way worse' how? They don't ditch bible versions for their translation... it is meant to be more in line with their beliefs and is invariably distasteful to people who believe otherwise... notwithstanding... many Adventist dont even like (nor know) it.
The Clear Word is not comparable to the NWT
Matt, I love the first few minutes of how you explain your approach to doing these videos. This is apparent in your interviews and is probably why so many people enjoy your videos as opposed to the people who can't help but make comments on any given video such as, "I was in that [name of church or religion] and I am glad I got out..." Many of us enjoy learning about other things, but people come out of the woodwork to cast shade on any other religion that's not their own, or no longer their own. If only all of your viewers were as classy as you.
Very well done and informative. This was done with respect and an objective view.
Thanks for this! As a former Saturday sabbatarian (non-SDA), I found this conversation to be fascinating. Thanks for handling these discussions with grace!!❤
Former???? Did you run into a Satanic influenced heretic. SUNday pastors are afraid to debate me. FOLLOW JESUS not the PAGANS!
I'm here because my sister is now a Adventist and just curious - a friend and I did what you are doing for about a year - she was a bible translator - or had been most of her life and I always wanted to learn about the CHURCH - the Universal Church - the Body of Believers . So I enjoy your show
Happy Hermit sorry about this man seems like he's lonley that's why I'm responding to his comments
Matt, thanks so much for this series of videos - I'm finding them really valuable. After a few more denominations I'd love to see if you can assemble a sort of "ecumenical Avengers" in the form of a round-table discussion with some of these pastors.
Would’ve loved to hear from the other two guys more...Great job for the conversation though Matt. Much love and happy Sabbath
Great video, at least people can get know about Seventh Day Adventists beliefs. Some may like it, some other won't, but, what denomination is liked by everybody?
Other than the name, I never knew anything about this denomination. & I’ve made a fool out of myself talking to friends of mine whom were 7 day Adventist in the past. But this one was hard to concentrate & listen through. A good video and great topics were covered but man, was this one dense & a bit dry. Keep up the great work.
I definitely found these sda videos a bit different from the rest. There was a ton more sit down Q&A which didn't alway have concisely answered questions. There were more awkward cuts in the video. I think in the original videos, like with Orthodox and Anglican, there might have been less of a debative questioning and more of just questions and listening.
It probably also felt a bit different having a friend sitting at the table with you as you questioned their pastor.
curious to know what your view of SDA are...
Fricken love your opening. Now I can listen without bias.
This video was such a blessing and you have a gift may God continue to use you and bless you❤️.
Hello my new brother in Christ....full disclosure; i have been an SDA for 25 years now...20-45....and so i am grateful for the considerate manner in which you interacted with the three men in the interview. You were so courteous and kind. With that said, I would simply say to you and anyone who watched this video, which clearly were many, that as kind-hearted and well-intentioned as the people you interviewed were, please understand that one i believe was an administrator, one a pastor, and one a member. Administrators crunch numbers lol...Pastors often spend more time...well...pastoring other Adventists...so a lot of time preaching to the choir lol...and not so much evangelizing...which forces them to spend a lot of time explaining our doctrines to non-Adventists, and members often have little experience crunching numbers or teaching our doctrines to non-Adventists lol. None of these seemed comfortable really explaining well the basic ideas that drive some of our doctrines. I am a firm believer that every one of our 28 doctrines can be explained in 2 minutes or less. If you left that interview still not certain about why we believe the things we believe, please let some gifted Adventist evangelists and theologians take a shot at explaining. if you are interested in where to get better explanations of our doctrines, please reply and I will be more than happy to refer you in private to some of the most widely-respected Adventist evangelists and scholars. Thank you brother and be well :)
SDA is a cult . They pervert the scriptures to make it fit in with your silly prophet EGW . Most of her teachings contradict the Bible .
Great videos! Would love to see one on Amish or Mennonites.
Rather Quakers.
@@scorpioninpink Quakers might not even be considered Christian
Mennonite would be a great video
Amish please!
Amish or Mennonite would be great
Exceptional work as always, really love this series, would be great to see Anabaptism covered
Wow bullshit and clever hustlers fleecing the flock.
Wow, thank you for the exposition. May God bless you with your work🙏
I LOVE the way he explained the Sabbath. It's very genuine and honest... The way the Sabbath is kept is different with different families. I went to a church that wouldn't even let you copy things on the Sabbath because they considered it work. That was that church's policy. You couldn't print out a program or nothing...but other churches I've gone to did not see that as an issue...
To be perfectly fair, many Jewish people living today are also just as ridiculously strict in keeping the Sabbath, to the point where turning on a light switch or pressing a button is considered work.
@@EndTimesHarvest that's true. But they feel they are being obedient. They are taking the command to its extreme end. When I asked. I was told.. they aren't supposed to make a fire on the Sabbath...so..turning on a light or turning on a car ignition is is technically creating a fire. On my fridgerator... there is actually a SABBATH FUNCTION! So they are serious about it to the point that manufacturers are altering their products to capture that market.
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“Does the Law allow a person to heal on the Sabbath?”
11 Jesus replied, “Who among you has a sheep that falls into a pit on the Sabbath and will not take hold of it and pull it out? 12 How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! So the Law allows a person to do what is good on the Sabbath.” Matthew 12, Common English Bible.
I personally see this as a fair justification for doing positive deeds on the Sabbath, especially when one might find you have no other time for such things provided such things are good. E.g. gardening, cooking for yourself and others, helping a person in need, etc.
@@jontymellmann9233 Jesus said yes. The Pharisees said no. I saw a video where a Sunday keeper claimed Jesus broke the Sabbath because of the claim given by the Pharisees... but that's painting yourself into a corner. Breaking the Sabbath who make him a law breaker and unfit for a sacrificial attonement ..
LAMO... Matt was like...
"Wait you have your own bookstores"?
LOL
Yes and they sell vegetarian meat too! LOL
I think the reason he was surprised is that Adventists having their own bookstores is like Mormons having theirs.
@@PaulDavid70 How so?
@@arthurh4484 it's cultic. It's like they're claiming exclusivity to the truth. We are the true denomination sort of thing, just like the Mormons claim
@@PaulDavid70 The Jews claimed exclusivity to the truth for many generations until they walked away from God. God's people always have exclusivity to his truth.
However the SDA church is in apostacy today, accepting homosexuality and aligning with the papacy, among many other things.
The "Remnant of her seed" is growing now and preparing for the latter rain..
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We have our own stores because our teachings are unique that you may not find our books etc in other stores. I remember going to Berean Christian Bookstore less than a mile from an Adventist Church and asking the manager for an EGW book. He respectfully said they didn't have or carry them. In a capitalistic system I completely understand not catering to less than 1% of a religious minority. So of you want thing for Adventist...you go to an Adventist source. But that doesn't preclude us from getting stuff from cokesbury bookestore(which is sponsored by the Methodists) or another store or them coming to our stores to get things. Yes... other denominations have their own stores and printing companies....people just don't noticed it. Matt could ask about and get information on Cokesbury and Odyssey Channel for the United Methodists or Westminister Press for the Presbyterians.
Awesome video, content. I live 5 minutes from an Adventist Academy. ..and 3 of their churches. My new friend was raised Adventist - thank you for the information
Love it ,great stuff and your fairness!
Hi matt, can you do a video on how your theology has changed after all your visits to Other denominations?
if it has
It hasn't of course lol. Reformed never change their theology xD
Matthew 24:36-42
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
“Therefore keep watch, because YOU DO NOT KNOW on what day your Lord will come. Setting dates is WRONG.🤔
Know one knows "the day and hour", but we might know the season.
@Nathan Desta that's good to know. We all can learn from our mistakes.
@Nathan Desta correct. We see the day approaching, but that is all we know. It's getting closer.
@Nathan Desta And the Millerites are no more.
Just some questions: Did the disciples get everything right? Or did they experience a great disappointment? Seems like the founders of the SDA church could be in good company?
Hi Matt. I'm really enjoying this series. You got me reading up on church history.
I'd love to see you visit an Oriental Orthodox Church. It would be interesting to learn about how these churches differ from the Greek Orthodox Church you visited. It would also be interesting to hear about the persecution which some of these churches, such as the Coptic Church, are currently facing.
Matt - before I forget - I'm from the UK, from a JW background, now non-denominational (whatever that means). Just want to thank you for your humble, approachable attitude. Your balanced approach to engaging with people who may or may not share your beliefs is inspiring and is helping me to knock some edges off my own personality. We don't know each other but you've become like a big brother figure to me. You're making a difference man, keep doing what you're doing.
Bullshit should be rewarded by more corn-filled nuggets and turds.
Perhaps the thing I like most about the Seventh-Day Adventists is that they are very heavy into actually studying the Bible itself and interpreting it, especially in regards to prophecy. They are actually searching for answers in the Bible and trying to solve its mysteries. Very few denominations show the same devotion.
They study The Bible through the eyes of Ellen G White and her Great Controversy. Without those, there is no SDA Church.
I had earlier said there were two topics I thought weren't answered well. This is my post on the second topic. The question was: "Why a prophet?" Especially if all the doctrines can be found, and in fact, are found, in the Bible? The one answer given, was "why not"? So I am going to attempt to answer a bit more. It is a very large topic, which I can't begin to cover here, but for what it's worth...:
Start reading her first main book, "Patriarchs and Prophets" It covers the Biblical times from the creation (and before) till about the time of David. What she does, if covers the main stories, almost as an eye witness (through visions given her from the Lord). Not only does she describe things with more detail, she also shows the thoughts and motives of many of the people involved. She gives the story, then expands on it, giving the meaning and lessons we get from it. I guarantee, if you read her books, you will have a better understand of the Bible and what it means, and how to apply it to our own lives, then most trained theologians of today. There is also a really interesting chapter in that book dealing with the rebellion of Satan in Heaven. Very interesting reading! About what Satan was trying to do, how he did it, God's mercy and attempts to win Satan back before he finally totally rebelled and was kicked out of heaven. Really interesting! Her last book "The Great Controversy", gives church history from the destruction of Jerusalem to the very end of time, and the creation of a new heavens and new earth. The Bible is like a map that can get you from California to New York, but the Great Controversy is like the map to help you find the very house you are looking for. The Bible gives the broad picture, but if you read that book, you will understand very well what is going on in the world this very day, and see where it is all leading. I would highly recommend that particular book! And her other books "Prophets and kings", Desire of Ages (Life of Christ), and Acts of the Apostles, are like Bible commentaries, expanding on the stories, giving the meanings and implications. Wonderful books indeed! So much more I wish I could say!
She was also given many visions regarding health topics. She spoke (and wrote) against tobacco while the doctors of her day were actually prescribing it for some conditions. She spoke against drinking stimulants (Coffee, most teas), and the danger of meat eating. Through her counsel, the Adventist church has the second largest education and medical work in the world, and missions in almost every country on earth, and the church has many TV stations, youtube channels, Satellite stations. Mrs. White says nothing that can't be found, or derived, from the Bible, but she greatly expands, clarifies, and confirms what is there. I would highly recommend the reading of the books I mentioned, for anybody. You will understand the Bible so much more for having done so.
David Morris it seems to me you also are so enamoured by EGW., And the Bible. Is Not Alone good for you. Sad. I know the bible so I didn’t need to know her. I now follow another sabbath keeping church, exactly as SDA, But thank God No EGW. 🤩🙏❤️
Lol yes it does. I am making exception for myself. 🤦♀️🤷♀️. 🙏❤️
Well Brother you put it right, we need you on the show as well. It is a real blessing that the word of Ellen which was taken out in the early days are now been brought to light, emphasizing the last day prophet to bring us back to walking right with Christ. Be Blessed
@@bozenamasliczek2447 My answer above was in direct answer to one of the questions in the interview. It is too bad you don't read any of her writings. As there was a prophet before the flood (Noah), and a prophet just before the coming of Jesus to this earth (John the Baptist), so I believe there is to be (and is) a prophet to help guide us in these times just before the second coming of the Lord (Mrs. White). Her book Great Controversy was written for just the times we are living in.
There was a question "what do Seventh Day Adventists believe". Don't see it here, so will go back and look. Will try to give an answer to that, though it will not be complete, I will try to give the basics. Stand by....
I see that was just the title of the video. So I won't go into any extended answer, as that question was probably answered well enough in the video. Been a bit since I've seen it now. But in general, Adventists take the Bible as written. Literal, (6 literal days of creation 24 hours each, with God resting on the 7th day, a world wide flood....) except where some parts of the Bible are clearly symbolic (much of Daniel and Revelation), parables (many of Jesus' stories), or allegories (parts of the old testament). Can go into more detail if anyone is interested, but that is enough for now.
I think that's a fair way to approach many topics. I've been an Adventist since 1997, and it's been a huge blessing for me.
I honestly came here because I saw someone in tic tok who was soooo knowledgeable on the Bible but some things I didn’t necessarily agree with. I found out they were 7th Adventist, and I really wanted to know what they were about. Great vid, and very informative! (I watched the 1st one too... now I’m going to watch as many other vids you have as well!)
Great interview, Matt. To be honest, I wasn't too excited when I read the email alert, but I was pleasantly surprised.
At the 20:00 mark, one of the SDA brothers flips your question regarding "Why Prophets?" to "Why not prophets?" and quotes from Amos 3:7 to support the idea the God has established a pattern of prophets as normative. With respect to the SDA brothers, this is identical to what Latter Day Saint missionaries teach in order to authenticate Joseph Smith and their string of living "prophets". Both the idea of constant prophets and the use of Amos 3 are problematic.
As I tell my Mormon visitors, prophets in the past existed to point the way to Jesus (John 5:39) but once he arrived that type of prophecy ceased (Hebrews 1:1-2), or as I like to point out, you stop seeing signs for Disneyland once you are inside. Even extending prophecy to the apostles is an extension of Jesus's work through the Holy Spirit (John 14:26). If prophets are the same as they were in the past (prior to the Son appearing) their prophecy would necessarily become scripture. The fact that the Adventist brothers agree with this and with a closed canon of scripture means that the "Why not?" response creates a false equivalence between Prophets/Prophetesses and the gift of prophecy, though to be fair, that seems to be the sense in which the brothers are mainly categorizing Ellen White's writings.
Additionally, the context of Amos 3 is directly connected with ethnic Israel and the history of warnings of judgement provided by God. It is not a carte blanche proof text that obligates God to reveal everything to prophets. Amos includes this statement in a list of "no duh-isms" to show that ethnic Israel's judgement has been a long time coming...and with lots of warnings by Yahweh beforehand. I agree that there is a "sense" in the Bible that prophecy was normative...until Jesus, Son. (Hebrews 1:1-2 again!) It's also what Jesus says of himself in his teachings and even in parables (Matthew 21:37).
I love the fact that you are using scripture and not just yelling, "Hey you're wrong. You're bad. Or whatever." In response to the questions you brought up, I will say that scripture is not strictly for the Israelites at that time. There are examples of prophetic events that have double fulfillments or repeats. Amos 3 three was fulfilled in the fact that the Israelites were called back from the Babylon to Jerusalem: the rebuilding of the temple, walls, and the people returning. But it was also re-fullfilled at the time of the Apostles immediately after Pentecost. Peter even references this same scripture in Acts. There we see an example of people prophesying. This had happened long after Christ's resurrection and ascension. Lastly, not all the prophets of the Bible pinned scripture. For example, Moses' sister was a prophetess and we don't have any scriptures by her.
Benson Prince THANK YOU!
I’ve been trying to explain to people that prophecies are fractal in nature. People can’t seem to understand that.
Correct. The Bible itself tell us the nature of role of prophets in the Christian Church in 1 Cor 14. Interspersed throughout the chapter Paul explains their function and authority.
So true. There will never be another prophet, because they only point forward...and Christ has already come and saved us. There are saints who point us back toward Christ. Calling anyone a prophet AFTER Christ is false.
I noticed noone in the video(ive only watched until 52:52), nor any comments i have gotten too so far, have brought up the many many many visions/dreams God communicated to Ellen White re specific individuals and institutions re their sins or guidance for them etc. These were always on the money. So many people got testimony from her revealing their situation before God with details she couldnt have know were it not given to her supernaturally. Now, i believe evil spirits reveal to people information they couldnt otherwise know to "verify" a false prophetic gift, but when you take in everything EGW wrote about the Bible, it seems to me a God of love was giving her these "prophecies " for people.
I SINCERELY appreciate these videos of yours on the various denominations/Christian organizations... thank you. And yes, as an LCMS Lutheran, I agree we're pretty much the same from one church to another... However, we now have 'contemporary Worship services'....mainly the music is the difference. :-) How many Lutherans does it take to change a light bulb? None; we don't like change. ;-) Blessings!!
When a Christian woman is raped, God does nothing. Eating religious dung is bad for little girls, folks.
Lutherans don't like change...
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Thank you for your interview and candid questions. GOD bless and keep you,.
I appreciate what it is you do and think your videos are awesome my friend.
I am a recent convert to the catholic church yet love learning about how others worship. God bless
Love the video, as an Adventist, I appreciate you pushing on a lot of topics people don't know about our church. My heart does break for the people who've had bad experiences with the church, hope this video helps.
Only an SDA would agree with this video. But lets hear what former Adventists have to say.
@@animationfan957 I mean that's the case for any group. Former Atheist say that about where they came from, former Christians will say that about Christianity as a whole. As we grow and come to new understandings we'll always look back at thing we grew away from as wrong.
In no way would I say the church is perfect but I suppose that's the case with any church.
Thanks a lot for this conversation Matt. Im sda and im subscribed to your channel, i really like the questions you asked regarding our beliefs and i hope you find answers to some of the questions you still have regarding our faith. One thing you can use as a reference point in future, in connection with the 7th day sabbath belief that we have is, we believe that ultimately the messages of the 3 angels in Revelation 14 vs 6 - 12 will be fulfilled and the major point of contention will be between those who keep the commandments of God and those who do not and (this might sound crazy right now) but eventually the issue of sabbath keeping, whether we should observe the sabbath on sunday or saturday will be a major one. And im saying all this now, so that if it happens whilst we're still alive, you may see why we believe that we should still observe the sabbath day on saturday.
Excellent discussion, Matt!
I appreciate the information your videos bring. Your last part about a founder seems to point towards JWs and LDS. It’s also a bit of restoration movement?