Thx, you are very well spoken. I think a lot of the spouses or lower time pilots prefer the parachute. I think they both look sleek. I'm glad the Cirrus is made in America. Do Columbia owners have a few mechanics in mind when they do their annuals? I believe the 400 has two solid main spares and their red line is about 230 knots. Many high-performance singles red lines are 198 knots. Is this correct? I never entertained the fact that the Utility category is a positive when comparing the two. (I just had a super flight in my Seneca from SE Wisconsin to Rochester NY area at two hours and forty fine minutes. You can't beat the convenience, and less stress of using general aviation.)
Correct that redline is 230. There are a few reputable shops for the 400, and a few shops who have a comfortable level of history for many. Plus the type club has a wealth of knowledge and many who are still the original owners of their planes straight from the factory. GA is absolutely a great way to go, we just finished a quick trip down to Knoxville and back. A weekend that would be impossible in a practical sense as an overnight trip whether driving or flying commercial.
I have about 25 hours in the SR20, from a long time ago (2006-ish). Yesterday I did about two hours as a pax in a TT, with G1000 avionics. I could barely get into/out of the TT, and it was the tightest cockpit I've ever a tried to squeeze in. I'm about 6'4" and I was kinda done after 1.5 hours. If you're tall-ish, be sure to take this into consideration.
This is completely valid for some. I'm very median american male at 5'10" and find it to be very comfortable. The tallest passenger i've had was at 6'4" and while he fit, it was only a 30 minute flight for him. While the seats did change to a new style in later models than mine, this is where the extra 1" of cabin heigh can help the taller folks. Thanks for chiming in, it was something i should have covered, but was beyond my experience to competently speak towards.
I have the 1st Columbia 400 manufactured and it came from the factory as a 24 volt system. Can you tell me where you got the gust lock strap and attachment that you have on the left side stick?
The gust lock is easy to sew up, or you can find it near the top of AirPower’s reference list. One of my favorite gust locks that hooks to the rudder and wraps on the stick. It’s almost impossible to get into the plane and leave it in place. www.airpowerinc.com/cessna-columbia-parts-guides
This was an excellent comparison! These performance planes are exactly what I’m looking for, although they may be a little bit of a reach financially. I will say that I’m looking for performance, because my mission is definitely to be able to go truly cross country, and get there with some speed. I also like composite aircraft as opposed to the traditional metal ones. This was very helpful!
I can sympathize with the financial stretch. I purchased one that needed a pretty extensive first annual to help get me into the airframe. But long cross country is the biggest benefit. We have started being able to travel on a moments notice from Chicago to as far as the Gulf Coast on a single tank and without taking additional PTO.
The Avidyne has been rock solid with 2 exceptions. 1) The fuel totalizer has zeroed itself out twice. But I think it’s related to #2. Which is that I upgraded one of the mags to a SureFly electronic ignition, and those lines generate enough noise to play with the fuel flow signals. I had the wires re-bundled to reduce the noise at last annual, and solid since. I really like flying behind it.
@@thehobbycollector1 Thanks a ton! That's been my biggest hesitation. I'm familiar with 6 packs and G1000 avionics, but the Avidyne has been a black box for me, so I've shied away from those. However, most of the Columbias in this market segment have that setup so it's nice to hear about good experiences with it.
Well if you end up in the market, this exact bird may end up in the listings soon as we are weighing how our future flying adventures are going to unfold.
It’s been a few years but had the pleasure of airplane shopping at Richmond Jet that did a good bit of work on Columbias. My friend was looking at a 300 at the time. I thought the fit and finish was always much better in the Columbia.
RJC still does a lot of work on Columbias. I stopped in there during some of my IFR training. I agree on the fit and finish, particularly in the earlier generations. Both of them improved into the 2010s and beyond with the admittedly biased view that Columbia was always the Lexus to the Cirrus being a Toyota.
It depends on the year. There are some life limited parts with required maintenance that are a little different than other airframes. Generally around 8k, plus or minus when batteries or upgrades are due. Insurance will also be eye-opening the first year or two, until you hit the 100-hr make/model threshold.
Thought you would also show a review of the cirrus SR-22 interior. I think I like the columbia 400 more. The reason why cirrus has more sales is maybe the cause of the parachute and safety is priority in aviation.
Unfortunately I don’t have access to the cirrus interior. Safety isn’t lacking in the Columbia. Especially if you look at the rate of incidents. But Cirrus definitely did a far better job of marketing the safety, and spouse approval factor is a big deal with the perception of Increased safety. The 400 has the looks and performance, and was a better deal for me when I was buying. But I’m the odd one out of the Columbia bunch I’m not judging anyone who does choose Cirrus. It was on my list.
Amazing sleek aircraft your Columbia YOUARE VERY HUMBLE … because I did my research and your Ttx es way 1000 time better the cirrus your plane recovery spins plus utility and cirrus with out parachute can’t fly mean is not a plane that can’t recover with out parachute recovery that less be honest that is NOT A RECOVERY you don’t recover with parachute plus you will be entangle Why I know that I’m skydiving instructor… and cirrus just cover dangerous with making believe that us safe with the miss perception parachute but the reality IS NOT A SAVE PLANE is not a airworthy with out parachute that for me is like politics a lie to robe you And for a nkt pilot like me or woman or wife pilot to sale to wife the safe lie marketing campaign… now with your video I’ll not buy a cirrus I’ll buy a latest ttx Columbia es a pilot aircraft or aviador cirrus is for a none pilot to sale you a parachute that hold a toy plane that not fly
There are definitely times when the parachute is helpful, and perhaps even desired. But I do agree that it is not the get-out-jail- free card that the marketing would have you believe. All planes are pilot's planes. I purposely treated the parachute as less of the focus. Each plane has features that could be appealing to different missions. But for me, the Columbia/TTX comes out on top every time.
There have been failed deployments when used outside of the design envelope. Like any system, you have to know the limits and operate within them. I looked quite seriously at the Cirrus when shopping. But I do have an obvious favorite!
Great comparison, it's clear now why a guy at my local field sold his SR-22 and bought a TTx for his frequent travel between KCGZ and KIDA
I really love travelling in it. While i'm sure i'd enjoy the SR-22, or even a 182, i'm very happy with the way it shook out for me.
Thx, you are very well spoken.
I think a lot of the spouses or lower time pilots prefer the parachute. I think they both look sleek. I'm glad the Cirrus is made in America. Do Columbia owners have a few mechanics in mind when they do their annuals? I believe the 400 has two solid main spares and their red line is about 230 knots. Many high-performance singles red lines are 198 knots. Is this correct? I never entertained the fact that the Utility category is a positive when comparing the two. (I just had a super flight in my Seneca from SE Wisconsin to Rochester NY area at two hours and forty fine minutes. You can't beat the convenience, and less stress of using general aviation.)
Correct that redline is 230.
There are a few reputable shops for the 400, and a few shops who have a comfortable level of history for many. Plus the type club has a wealth of knowledge and many who are still the original owners of their planes straight from the factory.
GA is absolutely a great way to go, we just finished a quick trip down to Knoxville and back. A weekend that would be impossible in a practical sense as an overnight trip whether driving or flying commercial.
I have about 25 hours in the SR20, from a long time ago (2006-ish). Yesterday I did about two hours as a pax in a TT, with G1000 avionics. I could barely get into/out of the TT, and it was the tightest cockpit I've ever a tried to squeeze in. I'm about 6'4" and I was kinda done after 1.5 hours. If you're tall-ish, be sure to take this into consideration.
This is completely valid for some. I'm very median american male at 5'10" and find it to be very comfortable. The tallest passenger i've had was at 6'4" and while he fit, it was only a 30 minute flight for him.
While the seats did change to a new style in later models than mine, this is where the extra 1" of cabin heigh can help the taller folks.
Thanks for chiming in, it was something i should have covered, but was beyond my experience to competently speak towards.
I have the 1st Columbia 400 manufactured and it came from the factory as a 24 volt system. Can you tell me where you got the gust lock strap and attachment that you have on the left side stick?
The gust lock is easy to sew up, or you can find it near the top of AirPower’s reference list. One of my favorite gust locks that hooks to the rudder and wraps on the stick. It’s almost impossible to get into the plane and leave it in place.
www.airpowerinc.com/cessna-columbia-parts-guides
This was an excellent comparison! These performance planes are exactly what I’m looking for, although they may be a little bit of a reach financially. I will say that I’m looking for performance, because my mission is definitely to be able to go truly cross country, and get there with some speed. I also like composite aircraft as opposed to the traditional metal ones. This was very helpful!
I can sympathize with the financial stretch. I purchased one that needed a pretty extensive first annual to help get me into the airframe.
But long cross country is the biggest benefit. We have started being able to travel on a moments notice from Chicago to as far as the Gulf Coast on a single tank and without taking additional PTO.
Thank you for the Columbia videos! Have you had any issues with the Avidyne, such as resetting in flight?
The Avidyne has been rock solid with 2 exceptions.
1) The fuel totalizer has zeroed itself out twice. But I think it’s related to #2. Which is that I upgraded one of the mags to a SureFly electronic ignition, and those lines generate enough noise to play with the fuel flow signals.
I had the wires re-bundled to reduce the noise at last annual, and solid since. I really like flying behind it.
@@thehobbycollector1 Thanks a ton! That's been my biggest hesitation. I'm familiar with 6 packs and G1000 avionics, but the Avidyne has been a black box for me, so I've shied away from those. However, most of the Columbias in this market segment have that setup so it's nice to hear about good experiences with it.
Well if you end up in the market, this exact bird may end up in the listings soon as we are weighing how our future flying adventures are going to unfold.
Thanks for the video. The video has been very helpful. I have been doing this comparison myself.
It’s been a few years but had the pleasure of airplane shopping at Richmond Jet that did a good bit of work on Columbias. My friend was looking at a 300 at the time. I thought the fit and finish was always much better in the Columbia.
RJC still does a lot of work on Columbias. I stopped in there during some of my IFR training.
I agree on the fit and finish, particularly in the earlier generations. Both of them improved into the 2010s and beyond with the admittedly biased view that Columbia was always the Lexus to the Cirrus being a Toyota.
What are you experiencing for average annual costs in the 400?
It depends on the year. There are some life limited parts with required maintenance that are a little different than other airframes. Generally around 8k, plus or minus when batteries or upgrades are due.
Insurance will also be eye-opening the first year or two, until you hit the 100-hr make/model threshold.
I've heard that the parachute repack on the cirrus now exceeds 20k. Keep that in mind when looking at used planes.
Yikes. I knew it was increasing, but didn’t think it had gotten that crazy. Pre-pandemic they were about 10-12k.
Thought you would also show a review of the cirrus SR-22 interior. I think I like the columbia 400 more. The reason why cirrus has more sales is maybe the cause of the parachute and safety is priority in aviation.
Unfortunately I don’t have access to the cirrus interior.
Safety isn’t lacking in the Columbia. Especially if you look at the rate of incidents. But Cirrus definitely did a far better job of marketing the safety, and spouse approval factor is a big deal with the perception of Increased safety.
The 400 has the looks and performance, and was a better deal for me when I was buying. But I’m the odd one out of the Columbia bunch I’m not judging anyone who does choose Cirrus. It was on my list.
This did make me laugh, it's all personal preference, you can either choose the sleek Columbia or the stubby Cirrus!! 😂 enjoyed the video, thanks.
By do way amazing and not attack the cirrus you are nice guy but the elephant is NOT cirrus yes Columbia a ttx
Amazing sleek aircraft your Columbia YOUARE VERY HUMBLE … because I did my research and your Ttx es way 1000 time better the cirrus your plane recovery spins plus utility and cirrus with out parachute can’t fly mean is not a plane that can’t recover with out parachute recovery that less be honest that is NOT A RECOVERY you don’t recover with parachute plus you will be entangle
Why I know that I’m skydiving instructor… and cirrus just cover dangerous with making believe that us safe with the miss perception parachute but the reality IS NOT A SAVE PLANE is not a airworthy with out parachute that for me is like politics a lie to robe you
And for a nkt pilot like me or woman or wife pilot to sale to wife the safe lie marketing campaign… now with your video I’ll not buy a cirrus I’ll buy a latest ttx
Columbia es a pilot aircraft or aviador cirrus is for a none pilot to sale you a parachute that hold a toy plane that not fly
There are definitely times when the parachute is helpful, and perhaps even desired. But I do agree that it is not the get-out-jail- free card that the marketing would have you believe.
All planes are pilot's planes. I purposely treated the parachute as less of the focus. Each plane has features that could be appealing to different missions. But for me, the Columbia/TTX comes out on top every time.
Im not inclined to "defend" the Cirrus, but there have not been any parachute entanglement problems, as far as I know.
There have been failed deployments when used outside of the design envelope. Like any system, you have to know the limits and operate within them.
I looked quite seriously at the Cirrus when shopping. But I do have an obvious favorite!