Tricky Cadenza in Chopin Nocturne Op.9 No.2 - Tips and Strategies - Josh Wright Piano TV
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I've received this request so many times that I decided to do a video on it! This tricky little passage, and the strategies and steps to resolve it, can help a pianist in many other areas of study. I hope you find the material presented here to be helpful!
Josh Wright Please make a vídeo about of Czerny Op.365 etude 15 And 33
Excellent strategies that are transferable. I'm learning Op 9 No. 1, so these are very helpful. Thank you
This was my recital piece back in 1990 and still have it memorized to this day. I've always just winged the number of times doing the trill haha.
Celebrating this week my 3 year anniversary as a 70 something student. Really enjoy watching your videos to inform myself as to future techniques, etc.
This is a great gift you have provided, thank you. Your comment about trying to unlearn an error is so difficult and is so fundamental .
Wow! So interesting. I was just listening to numerous pianists playing this, my very most favorite piece since I was a toddler...long story, but I’ve had a pianist play this at my wedding...both of them; and now I’m listening again, because I picked it for music at my mom’s funeral. Mom was the one that encouraged my classical piano lessons and got me interested in Classical music. My piano lessons ended after seven years, because I wasnt dedicated to practicing once I turned teenager. I so wish I had kept at it. Anyway, I was amazed that with only a short time of learning, many years ago, I could actually understand what you were talking about when explaining how to break down that credenza. I knew exactly what you were saying. Maybe this is nothing to someone who is a professional, but I found it interesting and very cool especially since it was over 45 years ago that I played my last note. 😊 thx
Thank you for this video. I was happy to be able to watch a full video too. ❤
Hi Josh, thanks for yet another inspiring and helpful video! I love your practice tips!
Thanks a lot Josh, I am starting to study this piece, your advices will be very helpful.
Thats great Josh; exactly what I needed. I have been messing this passage for ages. I practised today as you said and after One hour I can feel the difference. The exagerated rotation on 4 is what I was missing. Many thx.
Thanks Josh! Learning this piece and this really helps :)
So helpful Josh!
This is actually pretty helpful to me, thank you.
Thank you so much Josh! This part is really the most challenging for me!! I will try to practise it slowly as you demonstrated. =)
So helpful!
Thx for all you’re amazing video. You’re the best
Thank you very much for for the great tips.
I played this piece couple years ago, and that last part really frustrated me since l couldn’t play it at all. I mess up the order of the notes. Instead of 3241 for Cb Bb C A, l played 4321 for C Cb Bb A when l did it fast. This video is helpful. Thank you!
Really helpful, thank you (from a very snowy Lincoln UK).
Josh - are you ever going to make a pro practice video on the piece? I've been learning it for a month and your pro practice videos take my Chopin pieces to the next level!
I like how youtube recommended this video for me, just as I got to this cadenza. Ha. Great tips Josh, Thanks!
It IS helpful! Thank you very much!
I was puzzled working this passage without a strategy (at 10 PM this Sunday night) and found this little gem of a video. Your tips have gotten me back on track instead of mudding along.- The pro-practice on this nocturne gave me the confidence to even try it- so romantic and delightful.
samee i always work on this at night
Thanks it is extremely helpful
Thank you.
Thanks, good suggestions.
Thanks!
Thank you so much Josh! This was the very first piece I learned. Now I need to go back and apply your strategies!
The first piece you learnt was Chopin?? You're lucky
Say what? 🤨 Lol
I was playing this before I was three.
Love the new setup, is it gonna be like this for the upcoming videos?
Excellent lesson to help us mere students - (of ALL ages!). Josh, do you have (or can you record) a similar video lesson for Chopin's Nocturne No. 20 in C# minor? It also has several difficult passages! You'd know which ones they are...
I know I'm 4 years late but, a huge thank you!.
The last part is a b***c (excuse my French)... Lol... The entire music is not difficult to learn until you get to the cadenza part and you realize you may never get out of it! Thank you for sharing this. It's very helpful
I feel you man... it’s the only part of the piece holding me back.
The counting issue happens to me when i was learning Fur Elise. I still don’t count, just go with the flow.
bo sun Josh has a good video on Clair de Lune that might help you with Fur Elise.
Still waiting for a full length video Josh!!!
its up. just on his website tho
thanks, Josh! very helpful, as usual. Peter Rabbit- I avoid the rhythm middle section of Chopin Opus 9 #3 too! At least we can enjoy the rest of this lushly romantic piece!
Great video - thanks. You spoke about the crescendo-decresendo, but what's your thought about the accelerando-rallentando? I've heard so many different interpretations of this. I suppose that, being a cadenza of sorts, it's open to some interpretation.
I'm so glad that you made a video just for that cadenza part. I have learned the whole piece but got stuck at that point. I hate to think that I don't actually have the technique to play this piece and have to give up (can play the whole piece but not the cadenza at the coda, duh!). I will keep polishing those 4 notes slow and clear and work my speed up. Thank you Josh.
Can you do it now, three months later?
@@rushunnhfernandes Yes, did it. Have moved on to learn other pieces ☺️
My brain is so powerful I think of trills from different pieces while doing this cadenza.
Would you be able to go over the chopin 2nd ballade cadenza? Tips on building speed and avoiding tension. I've been practicing very slowly to make sure I don't get tight in the wrist, but other than just doing that over and over and hoping for the best.. I would love to know what you think could help. Thank you so much!
Is there a full propractice video on this?
I've been learning this piece for about two months now and was struggling with the cadenza. I just spent a half hour practice session trying all these exercises and by the end of it I sort of had it. Previously my hand was rotating all over the place, but this last time my hand was rock steady just playing the four notes over and over again. And I was able to speed it up to about twice the max speed I had done before. Not sure I am there completely - a few more days of practicing this little bit will make sure I have it solid.
Thanks .My son from 8 years old is studying this piece
Oh well here goes my tip on this: I use 3 2 and 4 1 but when I do 4 1 I just lay my wrist slowly in order to "use" the gravity to speed up at 3 2 and trust me you will feel gaining speed on a while. Hope it works !!
Is there a good reason not to just use two hands since the left hand isn't doing anything anyway?
What is the easiest fingering for this part?
What book is that you’re using?
My pinky wants to get tense during this cadenza and I'm afraid of practising it wrong. Any tips?
How is it you're posting this video just as I'm polishing up this song again?
its a piece not a song r u dumb
@@gartyqam It’s are * not “r”, are you dumb ??
Can you do the trills part on the nocturne in e minor, I know how to play the whole piece but I just need some help with the dynamics and the finger it, I especially need help on the long trill of where they play a G and a C sharp and then a D and C sharp, I need help with fingering on those trills because in the D and C sharp trill I use 3 4 but that feels so uncomfortable and the trill comes out weak, can you suggest any other fingering, I would ask my teacher but I don't see her for 2 weeks
Ethan Miller you mean B C sharp right?
The fingering I use is 1 and 3 for B and C sharp trill then cross to 2 for B flat then used 2 3 for C sharp D trill and 1 for those held notes then you can use the 123 chromatic scale fingering (I found rotating slightly and rocking the hand back and forth for the first trill and raising the wrist slightly for the second trill helps)
And for the dynamics, they are personal, for me, i think the left hand contermelody is more important and try to begin soft and then crescendo to the low B in the left and keep the trills nice and healthy in the right hand (not too loud) and you can crescendo to the high B after the chromatic scale.
You can see my latest video on this nocturne if you want a clarification (and I hope you like it)
I hope that helps :)
Thank you
Ethan Miller you're welcome :) I know I'm not Josh but just wanted to throw my thoughts out in case they are of any help ever
James Kramer haha thanks for your kind words James, I'm not that experienced but I am very diligent and have gathered numerous informations and tips and advices about piano playing and experiment a lot in my practice, and I really hope these will help you when you need it :) Good luck in your endeavor.
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James Kramer I notice everything 😜. Also I didn't get to watch the full video yet Cuz I'm in the middle of exam season. Soon as I'm done I'm binge watching josh wright lessons. And Cedarville Music ( John mortensen) and Paul Barton
Chopin copied that cadenza from the Super Mario videogame (beginning of “ghost house” theme)... Or is it the other way around ? ;-)
Anyway, great video !
Chopin was alive in the 1800s Nintendo wasn’t a thing back then
@@sofiaesther7772 lol
@@lavatrex6736 ??
@@sofiaesther7772 its funny cause that's so true
Just play it with both hands if that's easier. No need to play it with one hand only because someone once said so and had it printed in a score. Also don"t count, just play as many as you like. I just heard a Rubinstein recording where he added a couple of beats (groups of four 16th notes). These passages with embellishments, rubatos etc. are composed in an improvisational style, and improvising yourself will do the piece justice, as long as you are competent and have something to contribute.
RUclips somehow knew the exact piece and section I was working on...
I'm playing this piece and I'm a beginner, so far in two days I'm about 27 seconds in, and I'm able to play it in a fast pace as well, but the thing is you can hear no emotion, it's very robotic in a way but I'm pretty sure it's because I'm playing on a keyboard.
You shouldnt start with pieces like that. Seriously, coming from a very stubborn student: you will NOT play this well, because 1: you're still a beginner and 2: you're on a keyboard. Taking the right tempo doesnt mean nothing cause this piece isnt tricky with speed. The point is: you must start from the bottom if you wanna make it good. Trust me! Now it may seem very tempting to take a step bigger than the leg but believe me, its worst. Our body doesnt work like this, you have to practice simply works, some Bach pieces, some easy Chopin preludes, some easy classical pieces to prepare yourself, to prepare your body. Im not trying to be rude cause I learned it the worst way and nobody told me this. If you have 0 ambition to become a good pianist thats fine too, you can try to play anything you like. But if you wanna grow, you must start from the bottom, otherwise you'll just wait your time!
Im saying this cause I can tell you're into classical, and the best way to learn classical is to study the right line
This piece has a lot of dynamic markings, play it on a digital piano at least!
@@Thiago-px9ev true
@@Thiago-px9ev So many people saying "this was my first piece" and I'm like: "Wtf? You should be playing twinkle twinkle little star". Probably, those people don't have teachers to help them choosing the piece for their level, so they just start with the one they like, and I doesn't end well...
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