Without Avdija and DC they lack the components to be competitive. DC is changing so many shots round the rim and Avdija makes everyone else life easier both ends. It doesn't mean anyone else is less good just that there are important missing parts who makes a good roster.
@@MrJjreid Till Deni injured he was 15-10-5 with 2 steals and 1 block ClingKong was 4/6 with 10 reb, with 1 steals and 2 block Yeah, it's totally their fault 👍
Exactly right! It’s all about chemistry and Portland has the right players but they need to play the right combination. If a player or two are missing like Deni and Clingan it’s all it takes to put a monkey wrench in everything. Banton is good. Reath is good, the veterans play great when the new guys contribute. Portland can win it all this season
The normal deep tanking cycle is about 3 years. Where a team has 3 consecutive seasons of low 20 wins or under. By the 4th year, those teams ended up with .500 record sniffing a play-in. These teams include CLE and HOU. The two year tank teams include: ORL, OKC, and this year’s SPURS. Spurs is in their turn around year this season, near .500 record. If Tanking is like school before getting a job, these are the students who graduated early. These are also teams that have kept their tanking era coaches. (Mosley, Daigenault, and Pops) The 4 year tank team is DET. (the kid who failed, and stayed behind ). They finally turned around in their 5th year. This was after injection of new vets, a front office change, and two head coaches later (Dwayne Casey, and Monty) . New entrants of the tank include the Wizards (year 2) and the Nets (year 1). I’d also count the Jazz as technically year 1 into the deep tank, since Will Hardy was too good, and had 30 win seasons prior. Misc teams like Raptors, Hornets, and Pels, who have young pieces already but are slipping in and out of the deep tank. While the Billups Era is technically year 4. The first two years you guys had 27 and 33 wins, so technically not a deep tank. So by the original definition in paragraph 1, you guys are still in year 2 bad consecutive seasons. As far as timeline, I would urge POR to strive a play-in the next two seasons. Can only go on so long before fans (and owner) run out of patience. Before you know it, half a decade is gone.
Great perspective, 34:16 and your survey on how other teams have escaped a losing culture sprinkles some hope upon us faithful but hurting fans.✨ Time (and some personnel changes) heals all wounds?? 🤞🏼
Great take today. I still believe that if the right moves are made and a new coach comes along that actually wants to win and be invested emotionally into the team in two years we can make it into playoff territory
Man, I am a portuguese living in Portugal and I stay up all night to see the Blazers play but my eyes bleed with the lack of quality we show day in and day out. I cannot understand Cronin's vision or if he has any. Chauncey is a disaster, and the players seem to do whatever. It is sad.
the Blazers GM made numerous roster mistakes, and actually told Coach Billups to lose games so the lottery pick will improve. In 2023, Billups was benching players in the middle of games, because they were performing too well. To avoid any controversy, the GM is keeping Billups for the remainder of his contract.
Purely speculating here, I think Ant was recently told he likely won’t be traded this deadline and his performance the last two games is a result of that. Ant is a losing player. He is one of the leagues worst defenders every year and he is completely ineffective when his difficult shots do not go in. While he can pass, he often gets pretty obvious tunnel vision and misses open teammates and instead takes difficult, contested shots. He either quit on the team last night or something else was wrong with him last night because that was not the normal Ant. Despite what he is going through, he needs to be more professional, his play fluctuates way too much game to game this season. It’s also super ironic that Ant complains about losing when he contributes a ton to our losing. He needs to go.
Yes, the Trailblazers have been a losing culture since they have hired Billups. Some bad trades, worse extensions, poor coaching, fake injuries, intentional losing and lack of hustle and fight from players not named Camara or Avdija..
Two reasons for yes. 1. Portland needs a new coach, GM, and owner. 2. Portland needs to trade Ayton, Grant, Thybulle and Simons. When they do this, they will be improved. Injuries and inconsistency is killing them.
This is the result of one foot in and one foot out mentality coming back to haunt us. This is more of a year one rebuild, so three more years of losing is expected but I'm not sure about accepted.
DA is not part of a functional stable environment. It’s too bad since he has all the talent needed. It sure has been nice having four centers though because we needed all of them. I just don’t wanna pay a max contract for someone who doesn’t always show up.
Scoots stats in the 2nd tanked without support and playing with scrubs. He looked really good in the first half and should have had about 6/7 assist at the half
Yes it’s a losing culture. Our losses are generally massive blowouts. We go into every game expecting to lose. There is 0 accountability in the organization because everyone is a “vibes” person. I’ve had enough “vibes”.
I think the issue is our vets are the hugest culprits of losing culture. Jerami has lost everywhere he has went, by choice he chose to go to Detroit. We know Ayton is a loser. We know Ants defense largely makes him a loser. We needed to get rid of those three last offseason. They are holding back the team. Even just from a “vibes” perspective.
We need talent. We aren't getting it through free agency or trades. We have to draft talent. We have to have a losing mentality for now because that is the only value in this team. We can hope for a better future through the draft.
Acquire more players that play offense and defense, get rid of the players that don’t. Acquire more players that are mature enough to bring the same effort every night, get rid of the ones that don’t. Problem largely solved. Get rid of Billups(and ideally Cronin and Jody) and replace with people good at their jobs. Problem solved. “Winning culture” returns.
The team does have a losing culture. CB has lost the buy in from the team. He's done this by caring more about the names on the jerseys than the product on the floor. Clearly starting 3 guards that are sub par defenders wasn't going to work. Murray was the obvious answer to cover for Avdija but his name didn't have as much clout as the guards so he got snubbed. Playing guys out of position is setting them up to fail. Veterans getting out played and still getting the benefit of the doubt is a losing culture. Terrible line up choices. We could have played 8 with Scoot, Delano, and Rob off the bench and it would have retained some continuity of when we were playing decent. We got the Scoot game out of it.
I’m really trying to stay positive, but this franchise is directionless. This team is so far separated from the Adelman teams in the 90’s. There needs to be an actual invested owner, and Bert Kolde needs to go. There needs to be a total overhaul and cleansing with this franchise.
@@modax0 trading Brogdon, two firsts, and two seconds for Deni and then trading him again for two lesser players and two protected firsts after half a season, is extreme mismanagement. There is no world in which this is a good trade for Portland. It's insulting Blazer's Edge even entertained the idea in an article.
In a way, it is giving to the Blazers too much credit to say they have a losing culture. They are not mature enough to have any culture at all. But the question has to be asked. Does anyone on this team know anything about winning team basketball? Shaedon came to the Blazers straight from high school. Scoot spent two years at Ignite where it was all about player development. I don't think anyone ever cared about winning basketball games there. Avdija has the same basic story. He is just a little older and came from Europe. He competed briefly in the Euroleague. But basically went from a teen prodigy straight to the Wizards before being a Blazer. Then you have Simons and Ayton. Enough said there. Oddly enough, a rookie in Clingan has more experience about championship winning basketball from his two years at Connecticut than just about anyone else on the team.
For me it is simple. They need to hire a new President of Basketball Operations, a seperate GM and a new coach. All from outside the Blazers. The Blazers have the worst of all possible worlds. Young players they are doing a crappy job of developing...and vets that aren't really worth anything. Not good enough for the play in..not bad enough for a top 4 pick. Sure they may shut thungs down completely post all Star Break but 8 to 10 other teams are going to do the same. Just pick a damn path and stop wasting eveeybodys time.
When you don't make shots (Simons and Camara both goose eggs) you can't set your defense. Ayton is just not putting in effort and it is getting to the point where they have to do something. With Scoot, Shae, and Simons in the starting lineup, there is nobody off the bench that can score, except for Banton and he is more of a playmaker than a shot maker.
How did you miss Banton's game ? DB subbed in on tough assignment when team was down and already showing quit. Banton didn't, he played good D, great effort diving steal, had 23 pts. in 24 minutes. Got to the FT line 6 times (converted 5/6), was 50% from 3, (4/8), beautiful lob to Williams, created against tough defensive team and found open team mates several times that should have ended with more assists if they finished. At least he played with heart despite the score. And I think he's one of the lowest paid on the team? Clippers TV analysts noticed him, they commented several times on his efforts, and ability to make a difference in games.
Lots of shade on Ants scoreless game, but no mention of Tou going scoreless with the same amount of minutes. I know we shouldnt expect the same of Tou as we do Ant, but we are letting him start.
we understand tanking but there’s a way to do it lol you don’t just lose every game and then turn into winners over night blazers have bad habits the team will do a whole 360 with the next coach
@ Just talking about his mentality. I don’t see a lot of fighting spirit in him. He’s crazy talented but he’s not the person I ever look to when going gets tough.
Don’t throw sharpe in that group. He has made huge improvements every year. He literally started playing basketball in 8th grade. The true losers on the team are Ayton, Grant and Simons.
I don't know why, but I kinda get the feeling that Sharpe isn't like that, but that Ant has a bad influence on him. It feels like many times Ant is forcing the game and making dumb plays, and then Sharpe feels like he's not getting to touch the ball enough, so he starts doing the same. It seems to me like if Ant is gone, Sharpe might become good.
@ What has any of that got to do with his mentality? He’s not a fighter and that’s okay, as long as you can build a good team around him he’ll be fine. Also Grant isn’t a “loser”, he may be going through a rough patch but his effort is always at a decent level.
Attitudes towards winning comes from the top down. Our coach is not preaching winning, and is definitely not teaching confidence. Confidence is the number one way to create winner’s. We need a new coach now!
I disagree that Simon‘s only played for 30 seconds during the game. I watched him in several defensive possessions where he was clearly showing effort. he’s never going to be a great defensive player because of his size and his focus needs to be on offense, but I do expect him to stay in front of his player. and he’s been doing more of that lately
It’s wild to me the lengths people go to to defend Simon’s. Did you watch him play last night. Selective effort on a few 1v1 defensive possessions shouldn’t change your viewpoint, he was dreadful on both ends.
maybe Ant taking the initiative to play some Camara type physical defense, threw his offensive output out of whack? The young man looked gassed, every shot was a line drive. Simons has played almost every game. Maybe he needs some rest ?? Maybe he'll get his 4th installment of "you're done until next season, here's a doctors note from the GM" List injuries include: [my cat bit me]
Portland has the talent and depth to win it all. They just need to find the right combination of chemistry and increase the confidence of the players so they believe in themselves. They have height and inside players that they didn’t have last year. Avdija is the glue to hold everything together. They have guys who can drive to the hoop and score inside. They have outside shooters and rebounders. Clingan causes havoc inside. Shaedon is amazing. The veterans play a lot better when the new guys play well. They should keep everyone
Without Avdija and DC they lack the components to be competitive. DC is changing so many shots round the rim and Avdija makes everyone else life easier both ends. It doesn't mean anyone else is less good just that there are important missing parts who makes a good roster.
DC and Avdija played against a shorthanded heat team and they got blown out. DC and Avdija arent the answer.
@@MrJjreid
Till Deni injured he was 15-10-5 with 2 steals and 1 block
ClingKong was 4/6 with 10 reb, with 1 steals and 2 block
Yeah, it's totally their fault 👍
Exactly right! It’s all about chemistry and Portland has the right players but they need to play the right combination. If a player or two are missing like Deni and Clingan it’s all it takes to put a monkey wrench in everything. Banton is good. Reath is good, the veterans play great when the new guys contribute. Portland can win it all this season
@patfromamboy Win it all, is building around the right players and going high in the draft
@ they dont need any players. They have everyone they need. Go Blazers!
The normal deep tanking cycle is about 3 years. Where a team has 3 consecutive seasons of low 20 wins or under. By the 4th year, those teams ended up with .500 record sniffing a play-in. These teams include CLE and HOU.
The two year tank teams include: ORL, OKC, and this year’s SPURS. Spurs is in their turn around year this season, near .500 record. If Tanking is like school before getting a job, these are the students who graduated early. These are also teams that have kept their tanking era coaches. (Mosley, Daigenault, and Pops)
The 4 year tank team is DET. (the kid who failed, and stayed behind ). They finally turned around in their 5th year. This was after injection of new vets, a front office change, and two head coaches later (Dwayne Casey, and Monty) .
New entrants of the tank include the Wizards (year 2) and the Nets (year 1). I’d also count the Jazz as technically year 1 into the deep tank, since Will Hardy was too good, and had 30 win seasons prior.
Misc teams like Raptors, Hornets, and Pels, who have young pieces already but are slipping in and out of the deep tank.
While the Billups Era is technically year 4. The first two years you guys had 27 and 33 wins, so technically not a deep tank. So by the original definition in paragraph 1, you guys are still in year 2 bad consecutive seasons. As far as timeline, I would urge POR to strive a play-in the next two seasons. Can only go on so long before fans (and owner) run out of patience. Before you know it, half a decade is gone.
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Avdija is the engine of the team
Absolutely.
Not saying much
they using the injury excuse.
"When you're this shorthanded" - Billups
Great perspective, 34:16 and your survey on how other teams have escaped a losing culture sprinkles some hope upon us faithful but hurting fans.✨ Time (and some personnel changes) heals all wounds?? 🤞🏼
Great take today. I still believe that if the right moves are made and a new coach comes along that actually wants to win and be invested emotionally into the team in two years we can make it into playoff territory
Man, I am a portuguese living in Portugal and I stay up all night to see the Blazers play but my eyes bleed with the lack of quality we show day in and day out. I cannot understand Cronin's vision or if he has any. Chauncey is a disaster, and the players seem to do whatever. It is sad.
the Blazers GM made numerous roster mistakes, and actually told Coach Billups to lose games so the lottery pick will improve. In 2023, Billups was benching players in the middle of games, because they were performing too well. To avoid any controversy, the GM is keeping Billups for the remainder of his contract.
Purely speculating here, I think Ant was recently told he likely won’t be traded this deadline and his performance the last two games is a result of that. Ant is a losing player. He is one of the leagues worst defenders every year and he is completely ineffective when his difficult shots do not go in. While he can pass, he often gets pretty obvious tunnel vision and misses open teammates and instead takes difficult, contested shots.
He either quit on the team last night or something else was wrong with him last night because that was not the normal Ant. Despite what he is going through, he needs to be more professional, his play fluctuates way too much game to game this season. It’s also super ironic that Ant complains about losing when he contributes a ton to our losing. He needs to go.
Yes, the Trailblazers have been a losing culture since they have hired Billups.
Some bad trades, worse extensions, poor coaching, fake injuries, intentional losing and lack of hustle and fight from players not named Camara or Avdija..
Mostly agree. In essence, the combination of Billups bad coaching and Cronins lackluster performance as GM have resulted in us losing more.
@ Hey Blaze, I see you on Blazers Uprise, right? Definitely agree on both your points.
The team doesn't really have a direction. They need to offload players in the way of others.
Two reasons for yes.
1. Portland needs a new coach, GM, and owner.
2. Portland needs to trade Ayton, Grant, Thybulle and Simons.
When they do this, they will be improved.
Injuries and inconsistency is killing them.
"But first let's talk about this stupid game" --- hahahaha
This is the result of one foot in and one foot out mentality coming back to haunt us. This is more of a year one rebuild, so three more years of losing is expected but I'm not sure about accepted.
DA is not part of a functional stable environment. It’s too bad since he has all the talent needed. It sure has been nice having four centers though because we needed all of them. I just don’t wanna pay a max contract for someone who doesn’t always show up.
Scoots stats in the 2nd tanked without support and playing with scrubs. He looked really good in the first half and should have had about 6/7 assist at the half
Thank you for the episode Mike!
A source reported last night that Billups has had 56 games in which the Blazers lost by 20 points or more since becoming head coach.
Yes it’s a losing culture. Our losses are generally massive blowouts. We go into every game expecting to lose. There is 0 accountability in the organization because everyone is a “vibes” person. I’ve had enough “vibes”.
I think the issue is our vets are the hugest culprits of losing culture. Jerami has lost everywhere he has went, by choice he chose to go to Detroit. We know Ayton is a loser. We know Ants defense largely makes him a loser. We needed to get rid of those three last offseason. They are holding back the team. Even just from a “vibes” perspective.
@BlazetheNugs1 💯
Quick comes out of the woodwork, “hey this team sucks”. Yeah, thanks Jase.
Need leadership both in a new coach and a new owner who cares.
Probably a new GM
Ayton is definitely losing culture. To many low energy nights and only cares about getting paid. There are others, but he’s the prototype
I think all players like to win but I don't think the Blazers have enough players that NEED to win.
Remember in The press conference he wanted to become Domin-Ayton . What a joke, too lazy to pad his stats on a bad team so we can trade him. 😂
We need talent. We aren't getting it through free agency or trades. We have to draft talent. We have to have a losing mentality for now because that is the only value in this team.
We can hope for a better future through the draft.
Acquire more players that play offense and defense, get rid of the players that don’t. Acquire more players that are mature enough to bring the same effort every night, get rid of the ones that don’t. Problem largely solved. Get rid of Billups(and ideally Cronin and Jody) and replace with people good at their jobs. Problem solved. “Winning culture” returns.
It starts with the loser who owns the team.
The team does have a losing culture. CB has lost the buy in from the team. He's done this by caring more about the names on the jerseys than the product on the floor. Clearly starting 3 guards that are sub par defenders wasn't going to work. Murray was the obvious answer to cover for Avdija but his name didn't have as much clout as the guards so he got snubbed. Playing guys out of position is setting them up to fail. Veterans getting out played and still getting the benefit of the doubt is a losing culture. Terrible line up choices. We could have played 8 with Scoot, Delano, and Rob off the bench and it would have retained some continuity of when we were playing decent. We got the Scoot game out of it.
when your team wins you ( and all fans ) say they win 2 much and embrace the tank' so what do you expect the players to feel when they are at "work"?
I’m really trying to stay positive, but this franchise is directionless. This team is so far separated from the Adelman teams in the 90’s. There needs to be an actual invested owner, and Bert Kolde needs to go. There needs to be a total overhaul and cleansing with this franchise.
what do all those bad organization have in common it's not that complicated
This franchise is a joke!!.. Ha ha
What do you think of grizzlies trade offer for Deni Avdija?
3x first-round picks + Luke Kennard + John Konchar
🤣
The one that was mentioned was actually two protected firsts, not three. And that's absolute azz.
Id want a Gobert level package
@@rileymcphee9429 you over paid and there is zero chance he resigns so good luck with that better to get something than nothing lol
@@Dietylc lol keep dreaming
@@modax0 trading Brogdon, two firsts, and two seconds for Deni and then trading him again for two lesser players and two protected firsts after half a season, is extreme mismanagement.
There is no world in which this is a good trade for Portland. It's insulting Blazer's Edge even entertained the idea in an article.
In a way, it is giving to the Blazers too much credit to say they have a losing culture. They are not mature enough to have any culture at all.
But the question has to be asked. Does anyone on this team know anything about winning team basketball? Shaedon came to the Blazers straight from high school. Scoot spent two years at Ignite where it was all about player development. I don't think anyone ever cared about winning basketball games there. Avdija has the same basic story. He is just a little older and came from Europe. He competed briefly in the Euroleague. But basically went from a teen prodigy straight to the Wizards before being a Blazer. Then you have Simons and Ayton. Enough said there.
Oddly enough, a rookie in Clingan has more experience about championship winning basketball from his two years at Connecticut than just about anyone else on the team.
For me it is simple. They need to hire a new President of Basketball Operations, a seperate GM and a new coach. All from outside the Blazers. The Blazers have the worst of all possible worlds. Young players they are doing a crappy job of developing...and vets that aren't really worth anything. Not good enough for the play in..not bad enough for a top 4 pick.
Sure they may shut thungs down completely post all Star Break but 8 to 10 other teams are going to do the same. Just pick a damn path and stop wasting eveeybodys time.
When you don't make shots (Simons and Camara both goose eggs) you can't set your defense. Ayton is just not putting in effort and it is getting to the point where they have to do something. With Scoot, Shae, and Simons in the starting lineup, there is nobody off the bench that can score, except for Banton and he is more of a playmaker than a shot maker.
New ownership and management..... we all know the answer
How did you miss Banton's game ? DB subbed in on tough assignment when team was down and already showing quit. Banton didn't, he played good D, great effort diving steal, had 23 pts. in 24 minutes. Got to the FT line 6 times (converted 5/6), was 50% from 3, (4/8), beautiful lob to Williams, created against tough defensive team and found open team mates several times that should have ended with more assists if they finished. At least he played with heart despite the score. And I think he's one of the lowest paid on the team? Clippers TV analysts noticed him, they commented several times on his efforts, and ability to make a difference in games.
Uplifting show!
Billups needs to go
Lots of shade on Ants scoreless game, but no mention of Tou going scoreless with the same amount of minutes. I know we shouldnt expect the same of Tou as we do Ant, but we are letting him start.
Cronin's 2nd round gem never ever ever has a bad game. Got it ?? Never ever
Do the Risky Business dance!
we understand tanking but there’s a way to do it lol you don’t just lose every game and then turn into winners over night blazers have bad habits the team will do a whole 360 with the next coach
Can someone send this video to Uncle Joe? lol
Sharpe, Ant and Ayton are the only “losers” on the team really. Rest are fine guys. Some are dawgs like Deni, Tou, and DC
Sharpe??? Nahhhh you are crazy mentioning him.
@ Just talking about his mentality. I don’t see a lot of fighting spirit in him. He’s crazy talented but he’s not the person I ever look to when going gets tough.
Don’t throw sharpe in that group. He has made huge improvements every year. He literally started playing basketball in 8th grade. The true losers on the team are Ayton, Grant and Simons.
I don't know why, but I kinda get the feeling that Sharpe isn't like that, but that Ant has a bad influence on him. It feels like many times Ant is forcing the game and making dumb plays, and then Sharpe feels like he's not getting to touch the ball enough, so he starts doing the same. It seems to me like if Ant is gone, Sharpe might become good.
@ What has any of that got to do with his mentality? He’s not a fighter and that’s okay, as long as you can build a good team around him he’ll be fine. Also Grant isn’t a “loser”, he may be going through a rough patch but his effort is always at a decent level.
Attitudes towards winning comes from the top down. Our coach is not preaching winning, and is definitely not teaching confidence. Confidence is the number one way to create winner’s. We need a new coach now!
I disagree that Simon‘s only played for 30 seconds during the game. I watched him in several defensive possessions where he was clearly showing effort. he’s never going to be a great defensive player because of his size and his focus needs to be on offense, but I do expect him to stay in front of his player. and he’s been doing more of that lately
It’s wild to me the lengths people go to to defend Simon’s. Did you watch him play last night. Selective effort on a few 1v1 defensive possessions shouldn’t change your viewpoint, he was dreadful on both ends.
I am comfortable conceding that Ant had as many as 150 seconds of good activity during his 30 minute scoreless outing.
maybe Ant taking the initiative to play some Camara type physical defense, threw his offensive output out of whack? The young man looked gassed, every shot was a line drive. Simons has played almost every game. Maybe he needs some rest ?? Maybe he'll get his 4th installment of "you're done until next season, here's a doctors note from the GM" List injuries include: [my cat bit me]
Portland has the talent and depth to win it all. They just need to find the right combination of chemistry and increase the confidence of the players so they believe in themselves. They have height and inside players that they didn’t have last year. Avdija is the glue to hold everything together. They have guys who can drive to the hoop and score inside. They have outside shooters and rebounders. Clingan causes havoc inside. Shaedon is amazing. The veterans play a lot better when the new guys play well. They should keep everyone