Three takeaways.... This is still the best video on the subject anywhere, even after 3 years. The whole &^%$# subject is confusing. Just when you think you've gotten the bottom of it, the bottom drops out. Some legal experts in the comments section keep forgetting to say, "My opinion and $5 will get you a Starbucks."
Thank you for making this video. We, as firefighters use these radios in fire camp and not on the fire line. There has been quite the controversy about the Part 90 certification. Thanks again.
I appreciate you taking the time to explain where to look for the information on my model number. There are still questions because my Baofeng can transmit outside the Amateur band..
I programmed all the frequencies in there in case we have a SHTF situation. Make sure you have your coms charged up ready to go. I have 2 yayzoo’s and 2 baofengs that I use on rotation. I have enough battery packs to last weeks
@@TheSmokinApethe Blue one is sweet I found it on Amazon in blue, red, camo, yellow, Black it's the UV-5R Plus.. The red One you have I can't find being its a Regular UV-5R but I found the colored 3800Mah batteries
@@TheSmokinApe oh its a regular Baofeng UV-5R interesting I can't seem to find it Anywhere I can find the UV-5R Plus in red and blue but not the Orginal Body Style
Thanks so much for taking the time to make this video. You really helped clear up a lot of confusion regarding the Baofeng radios. Glad mine looks like it's legal.
Great info but those of us with an amateur license aren’t the ones causing all the illegal interference. It’s the 11 meter guys running illegal linears and peaking and tweaking their radios to overmodulate and bleed over the entire band. As for me I’m going to keep using my Uv5r with no fcc id on the back. It transmits a clean signal using my quality shoulder mike. It sounds just like my two yayzoo’s.i am using a code red signal 21 external mike. Very high quality audio for a baofeng.
I have the Baofeng UV5R-V2+. It has the sticker and cannot be programmed to use frequencies outside the legal band width from the key pad. So I really don't worry. Not like the FCC knows I have two Baofengs and one BTech radio. As long as I stay legal I won't worry about it. And yes I am licensed, but will keep that to myself. Just checked mu UV5R-V2+ is legal according to the FCC. Just looked it up. But it is a few years old.
I looked up my Alinco DJ-MD5T and the FCC web site shows it is part 90 and part 22 certified. Haven't heard of part 22 so looked it up and found " Part 22 Paging and Radiotelephone Service rules - including electric utilities who use these frequencies for their private land mobile communications systems".
One of the few channels who featture and review BaoFeng's. Despite the naysayers, the "purists", these are inexpensive, very capable radios. Petfect for preppers who want to purchase radios for emergency situations without shelling out hundreds or thousands of dollars. Just please make you get a license.
I lived thrugh a big conspiracy. That is VW vs corvair. Unsafe at any speed. R.Nader corvair had more room and two more cylinders and gm got off is butt to slow to matter. Toward the end. They were getting it to gather. Just too late......mine had a impala style body and jet black. We would cruse the streets in style.
Hey @TheSmokingApe I bought a few Baofeng radios off Amazon before I realized that they could be knockoffs. In watching this video and it seeing the FCC ID, I realized they are. My question is, after I get my ham license, can I have it programmed and locked in, or should I not even bother and either get rid of them or just lock them up and only use them if SHTF? I’m new the ham radio world, and looking at ham radios, as well as GMRS radios online is rather confusing and sometimes a bit overwhelming. Is there a site that you recommend that sells radios that don’t sell knockoffs? I’m not trusting Amazon’s recommendations anymore because none of the radios I see show the fcc id
It might be different in the USA, but certainly in the UK there is a WORLD of difference in transmitting out-of-band and having a transceiver that is *capable* of transmitting out-of-band. Remember too, that we are permitted to design and build our own experimental kit - including transmitters. Although we are expected to use all reasonable measures (initially very low power into dummy load etc), once we are happy that our transmitter is reasonably stable and fairly low with spurious emissions, then we are welcome to use it properly. EVEN IF we could in theory simply enter a different number on the thumbwheels and then be out-of-band. As I say, it might be a different rule (surprising though) for the USA, but in the UK, owning a transmitter or transceiver that CAN transmit out-of-band is not illegal at all - it only becomes a major issue if you TRANSMIT out-of-band for some reason. Even then, in a genuine and REAL emergency (all other comms down, tornado causing havoc, nobody answering on standard amateur frequencies), then we are specifically permitted to "do what it takes" to make contact in TRUE emergencies. Clearly if you use your radio to chat to the coast guard when there were other legal options, expect to be prosecuted and/or lose your licence - but in a TRUE emergency, if you can make a positive difference (in the UK at least), then you transmit on what you need, with the power that you need to get through. Just be prepared to justify your EVERY action. So, in reality, radios that CAN transmit OOB are not usually an issue in the UK - providing you do not USE them OOB. It's like being allowed to have a car that CAN run people over at 120 miles an hour - providing you do not do it, there is not an issue! Seems silly to deliberately cripple a radio.
I'm not in USA but I only carry my ham for purely emergency backup comms so no need for a license as its OK to listen but not transmit outside of a genuine emergency plus bands in my area are pretty dead as I've had my ham scanning continously fir past few days I've only heard what clearly was an unlicensed person cos no callsign or proper radio etiquette that's it
Question for you: Our county is switching to a P25 trunked system for fire, police, and EMS. I’m a firefighter and it’s important to have access to these, so I’ll have a P25 capable scanner. My mother (same house) and my grandmother (1/4 mile up the road) have analog scanners. If I make a one way repeater to repeat these P25 transmissions on analog so they can pick it up, what’s a good frequency to use without a license? Can I get away with operating on an FRS channel? This would be at low power, probably 5 or 8 watts.
I think what you're trying to say is that the 5R+ is listed as a 5Ra in the FCC database. I think if that's true then there may be other models whose FCC Product Code does not match their model number. If so, then it may not always be possible to verify a model number by looking it up the FCC database. For example, if you look for 5R+ you won't find it, at least not spelled that way. Assuming I read your comment correctly.
So I have a question. Do ham operators operate under part 97 requirements and the equipment should not need certification? If so, why does it matter whether it is part 90 certified? I am probably missing something here.
Amateur radio operators don't care about their radio being part 90 certified unless they use their radio for part 90 use like a fire dept., search and rescue, ect. The problem with the part 90 UV-5R radios are the wattage listed in the grant is less than what people are using. The grant may say 1.78 watts and the radio is really 4 watts, over twice the allowed wattage that the grant states. I have the BF-F9V2+ myself because it is really legal up to 8 watts. So why does it matter if it's part 90 certified? Because the ones that have no FCC ID on the label are completely illegal to use even for an amateur radio operator because the radio is capable of transmitting outside the amateur radio band. Having a part 90 certified radio is legal for amateur and commercial radio users because it has an FCC ID, and it can transmit outside the amateur radio band because it is a commercial/business band radio. Hard for me to explain so I hope you understand it.
DJ, thanks for the reply but I have a follow up question. Is it really illegal for hams to own radios that can transmit outside the ham bands? Some amateurs have custom or semicustom rigs that can do just that? Does part 97 state that amateurs can not even own such a transmitter?
@@Bob-be2pj amateur radio operators are allowed to own uncertified transceivers as long as they are not able to transmit out of their licensed frequency range. If you take a part 97 certified amateur radio and do a mod that allows it to transmit out of ham band then it's certification is void and becomes an illegal radio to operate.
Part 90 and part 95 have nothing to do with part 97 Amateur Radio Service... You can make your own transmitter and it's perfectly legal as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else.
Correct, as long as it doesn’t TX outside of ARS bands according to a recently released notice from the FCC as I understand the bulletin. Keep in mind I am not giving any legal advice and only talking about part 90 certification.
@@TheSmokinApe Not true, it can transmit, but the operator should not transmit... Amateur radio operators can build their own radios and they are not expected to build so they transmit only on ham radio bands...
@Russell: From the FCC complaints I have read, e.g., EB-SED-17-00024360, the issue for the FCC is the unlawful importing and marketing of devices that have not been granted proper FCC approvals (Part 15 included). You cannot legally import or market a ham radio (or a clock radio), into the USA, that hasn't got at least a Part 15 certification, although you can certainly build one of your own without any certifications at all.
The SmokinApe, thank you for sharing this video with us. But I'm confused, does this mean that all radios operated in the U.S. should be part 90 registered with the FCC? If so, why does the government allow radios sold in the States that are not part 90? I ask because I'm still learning the HAM radio world. Thanks again for your video trainings.
TNX for the info S.A. I have an old UV5-RA that I purchased circa 2010 & I see nothing under the battery that indicates anything FCC...I did purchase my UV5-RA from the Bao place in Houston, TX.---not that that means much but I have purchased 8 other models from the Bay & Amazon since.... I owe you for bringing this info out because now I'll definitely be looking... I don't want to risk losing my Ticket in any way.....TNX Again, Jeff
So without buying a bunch of different radios, what inexpensive handhelds are available that are FCC accepted? I'm studying for my tech license and would like to get into this without spending a lot of money to begin with
Thanks. I ordered a bfeng but not a btech. I figure for the money if I need to get another radio I'm not going to be out very much. But I was looking hard at the yaesu
Very interesting video. I recently ordered a UV5R on Amazon and I’ll be interested to look at the label. Main concern is that the Part 90 grant doesn’t allow me to operate the radio at 4 watts. I’ve a lot to learn.
no it doesn't the FCC part 90 certification for your uv5r is only for a uv5r that is not at all capable of transmitting above 1.83W i think it was. its illegal dont get caught. dont go walking around with it in case you find a ranger/officer that knows about the FCC tyrants new rules.
I get them now and again. Then put chirp on them. If it's trouble. Then have them" locked" by a amature extra. After he/she has verified it's ability to be in frequency. . That simple. Might be extra work. But stops a big fight. And encourages use of a valuable resource. The ham club.
Are you a commercial entity with commercial frequency allocated by FCC? If not, you cannot use a part 90 certified radio... Part 95 covers non-commercial radio services such as GMRS, FRS and these radios also cannot be used for Part 95.
1. Part 90 is only required for commercial/industrial use, NOT amateur radio. 2. The UV-82 is standard amateur model, the 82C is Part 90 (C is for commercial ha ha ha) 3. Amateur radio models only require Part 15 certification if they can transmit outside of the amateur radio frequencies, which is almost all models from all companies including the Big 3. Almost no models are locked to amateur frequencies only, and in those specific cases no certifications are required. 4. Most Part 90 models also have Part 15 certification, making them legal for amateur radio. 5. Almost none of the big name brand amateur radios have Part 90, which according to your claims makes them ALL illegal to use.
Where did you get the notion that "Almost no models are locked to amateur frequencies only, and in those specific cases no certifications are required."? From my own research: even an amateur RECEIVER, or a scanner, with no transmitter at all, needs Part 15 to be legally marketed, imported or sold in the USA.
Great Vid. Still confused about the whole thing but not you fault. Honestly I don't see the FCC riding around in a black car catching people. Will probably turn out like using a linier on the old CB. I have ten Btech radios and most have the sticker. a couple of the 82HPs that came from Btech do not have a sticker. Kinda like using for GMRS. I have HAM and GMRS but I guess I cant use the same radio for both? later, DCW
@Whit: Yes, it is an "administrative" violation by the importers (and a criminal violation by those submitting false certifications), but I don't see any way the FCC is going to actively pursue users of "illegal" transmitters unless there is some remarkable interference (e.g., some spurious signals, or yakking on frequencies that require a specific license and not stating your callsign). In other words, they probably can't guess what radio you have, simply by listening to your transmissions, let alone see whether it has the "FCCID" sticker -- until they catch you for some other reason.
I think Baofeng just doesn't have the personnel with the right regulatory knowledge to get all their ducks in a row. Their applications are full of errors, yet FCC still approved them? I have more than one UV-B5, and there is not FCC-ID on any of them, however the label looks just like the label they provided to the FCC in their application. Did the FCC not thoroughly review the applications? My B5's look just like the photos, so I suppose none of them are Part 90 because Baofeng simply did not put it on the label after going through all the regulatory hoops to get it certified? Another thing, if I were to homebrew my own equipment, it would be capable of transmitting some ways out of amateur bands, and I assume that is legal. Also, I have known hams to utilize surplus domestic commercial radio equipment for ham band use without modifying them to stay only within ham bands. Is that illegal, too? Or is that OK because those commercial units are not "field programmable"?
I believe importing consumer goods (sold without any need to ask for a personal license) is held to a different standard than homebrewed ham transceivers. Bfeng markets many "non-certified" radios as "amateur radio", knowing full well that most of them will be used illegally (without any license) in other bands. Turns out that is completely illegal to market/import any such radios, knowing they are "capable of operating outside the scope of its equipment authorization." 47 CFR § 2.803.
Also, in theory, US Customs can immediately seize any radio equipment being imported to the USA that lacks the required FCC-ID label. This includes one you may have in your carry-on baggage. Like having a UL listing, the FCC delegates the LABELING task to the manufacturer, once approval is granted in the file.
@@solidaudioTV: A small piece of the Part 90 rules. While a specific radio like a UV5R may, when set up correctly, be Part 90 certified, that does not mean that ALL UV5R radios are. One of the requirements of Part 90 compliance is the radio cannot be programable from the face (manually). The Part 90 certification referenced here was for a specific version of the radio from a specific supplier that DID have the appropriate firmware for compliance but is no longer sold in the US. The everyday UV5R and its progeny, that ARE sold here, do not have that firmware and are "face" programable without a computer...so they do NOT qualify as legal Part 90 radios. In fact, the famous FCC action against "Amcrest Industries, LLC d/b/a Baofengradio(.us)" in 2018 was for claiming the UV5R they offered for sale was Part 90 compliant, though it was "capable of (1) transmitting on land mobile frequencies using the equipment’s external controls and (2) operating at power levels above those specified in its Equipment Authorization". docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-18-801A1.pdf
Baofeng currently only has one Part 90 compliant HT. The UV82C. the "C" stands for "commercial". The only real difference between the UV82, which is NOT compliant and the UV82C, that IS compliant, is the firmware to disable "face" (manual) programming (ie: you must use a computer).
who cares, the FCC doesnt have officers patrolling making sure people are using their radios correctly, they dont even know you have one unless you register and pay them $$$. Dont waste your time and money, you dont need a license (according to the FCC you do) dont lick their boot and pay them money for u to talk on a gosh darn radio that you paid your own money for, and dont listen to them old HAM operators that insist you get a license lol screw them, just dont talk on police/Emergency Services frequencies and on repeaters making a ruckus, and you will be fine, plus they are only like 5 watts so its not like anybody will hear you
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Three takeaways....
This is still the best video on the subject anywhere, even after 3 years.
The whole &^%$# subject is confusing. Just when you think you've gotten the bottom of it, the bottom drops out.
Some legal experts in the comments section keep forgetting to say, "My opinion and $5 will get you a Starbucks."
haha, thanks for checking out the video!
Nice disclaimer there in the beginning!
Lol, thanks Josh... I need to make sure the tone is set!
Thank you for making this video. We, as firefighters use these radios in fire camp and not on the fire line. There has been quite the controversy about the Part 90 certification. Thanks again.
No prob! Thanks for the work that you do!
I appreciate you taking the time to explain where to look for the information on my model number. There are still questions because my Baofeng can transmit outside the Amateur band..
No problem, hope the info was helpful
I programmed all the frequencies in there in case we have a SHTF situation. Make sure you have your coms charged up ready to go. I have 2 yayzoo’s and 2 baofengs that I use on rotation. I have enough battery packs to last weeks
Sounds like your squared away, thanks for the comment!
Never seen the blue or red Baofengs Interesting 0:49
I dig the blue
@@TheSmokinApethe Blue one is sweet I found it on Amazon in blue, red, camo, yellow, Black it's the UV-5R Plus.. The red One you have I can't find being its a Regular UV-5R but I found the colored 3800Mah batteries
What is the red Baofeng? 13:00
UV-5R
@@TheSmokinApe oh its a regular Baofeng UV-5R interesting I can't seem to find it Anywhere I can find the UV-5R Plus in red and blue but not the Orginal Body Style
Wait, its a UV-5R5
@@TheSmokinApe oh that explains why I can't find it lol
Thanks so much for taking the time to make this video. You really helped clear up a lot of confusion regarding the Baofeng radios. Glad mine looks like it's legal.
No problem, I’m glad it was helpful
The video, new to ham radio operation. Starting to get license. But this is great I just got a radio too that doesn't have any light on the inside.
mine has an fcc logo, but only has a cmiit id
What a great video
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@TheSmokinApe keep up the great Work And Have A Merry Christmas and Happy New Years
Same to you Antonio 👍
@@TheSmokinApe thank you Sir
This is great information for any radio in question!
Glad it was helpful 👍
Great info but those of us with an amateur license aren’t the ones causing all the illegal interference. It’s the 11 meter guys running illegal linears and peaking and tweaking their radios to overmodulate and bleed over the entire band. As for me I’m going to keep using my Uv5r with no fcc id on the back. It transmits a clean signal using my quality shoulder mike. It sounds just like my two yayzoo’s.i am using a code red signal 21 external mike. Very high quality audio for a baofeng.
If you notice the wattage changes with the different model numbers and frequency.
They sure do
I have the Baofeng UV5R-V2+. It has the sticker and cannot be programmed to use frequencies outside the legal band width from the key pad. So I really don't worry. Not like the FCC knows I have two Baofengs and one BTech radio. As long as I stay legal I won't worry about it. And yes I am licensed, but will keep that to myself. Just checked mu UV5R-V2+ is legal according to the FCC. Just looked it up. But it is a few years old.
I looked up my Alinco DJ-MD5T and the FCC web site shows it is part 90 and part 22 certified. Haven't heard of part 22 so looked it up and found " Part 22 Paging and Radiotelephone Service rules - including electric utilities who use these frequencies for their private land mobile communications systems".
Yeah, I'm not familiar with Part 22 either, thanks for sharing.
One of the few channels who featture and review BaoFeng's. Despite the naysayers, the "purists", these are inexpensive, very capable radios. Petfect for preppers who want to purchase radios for emergency situations without shelling out hundreds or thousands of dollars. Just please make you get a license.
I lived thrugh a big conspiracy. That is VW vs corvair. Unsafe at any speed. R.Nader corvair had more room and two more cylinders and gm got off is butt to slow to matter. Toward the end. They were getting it to gather. Just too late......mine had a impala style body and jet black. We would cruse the streets in style.
Entering my FCC label told me absolutely nothing about what it is legal for.
Thanks. Very informative.
Thanks Chris
Fantastic info! Thanks for doing all the research for us!..lol. I just obtained a UV-5R, I'll check to see if my supplier is legit...haha! Thanks!
Haha! I don’t know why all this info had to be so dang confusing...
Hey @TheSmokingApe I bought a few Baofeng radios off Amazon before I realized that they could be knockoffs. In watching this video and it seeing the FCC ID, I realized they are. My question is, after I get my ham license, can I have it programmed and locked in, or should I not even bother and either get rid of them or just lock them up and only use them if SHTF?
I’m new the ham radio world, and looking at ham radios, as well as GMRS radios online is rather confusing and sometimes a bit overwhelming. Is there a site that you recommend that sells radios that don’t sell knockoffs? I’m not trusting Amazon’s recommendations anymore because none of the radios I see show the fcc id
I’d get them form Baofeng Tech or BTECH as they are known. 👍
It might be different in the USA, but certainly in the UK there is a WORLD of difference in transmitting out-of-band and having a transceiver that is *capable* of transmitting out-of-band. Remember too, that we are permitted to design and build our own experimental kit - including transmitters. Although we are expected to use all reasonable measures (initially very low power into dummy load etc), once we are happy that our transmitter is reasonably stable and fairly low with spurious emissions, then we are welcome to use it properly. EVEN IF we could in theory simply enter a different number on the thumbwheels and then be out-of-band.
As I say, it might be a different rule (surprising though) for the USA, but in the UK, owning a transmitter or transceiver that CAN transmit out-of-band is not illegal at all - it only becomes a major issue if you TRANSMIT out-of-band for some reason. Even then, in a genuine and REAL emergency (all other comms down, tornado causing havoc, nobody answering on standard amateur frequencies), then we are specifically permitted to "do what it takes" to make contact in TRUE emergencies.
Clearly if you use your radio to chat to the coast guard when there were other legal options, expect to be prosecuted and/or lose your licence - but in a TRUE emergency, if you can make a positive difference (in the UK at least), then you transmit on what you need, with the power that you need to get through. Just be prepared to justify your EVERY action.
So, in reality, radios that CAN transmit OOB are not usually an issue in the UK - providing you do not USE them OOB.
It's like being allowed to have a car that CAN run people over at 120 miles an hour - providing you do not do it, there is not an issue!
Seems silly to deliberately cripple a radio.
I'm not in USA but I only carry my ham for purely emergency backup comms so no need for a license as its OK to listen but not transmit outside of a genuine emergency plus bands in my area are pretty dead as I've had my ham scanning continously fir past few days I've only heard what clearly was an unlicensed person cos no callsign or proper radio etiquette that's it
If you get a license you can practice and test different antennas.
Question for you: Our county is switching to a P25 trunked system for fire, police, and EMS. I’m a firefighter and it’s important to have access to these, so I’ll have a P25 capable scanner. My mother (same house) and my grandmother (1/4 mile up the road) have analog scanners. If I make a one way repeater to repeat these P25 transmissions on analog so they can pick it up, what’s a good frequency to use without a license?
Can I get away with operating on an FRS channel?
This would be at low power, probably 5 or 8 watts.
You can’t operate FRS on 5-8 watts. I’m not sure who you could legally solve this problem.
the 5r+ is in the 5ra slots...i have the 5ra model
I think what you're trying to say is that the 5R+ is listed as a 5Ra in the FCC database.
I think if that's true then there may be other models whose FCC Product Code does not match their model number. If so, then it may not always be possible to verify a model number by looking it up the FCC database. For example, if you look for 5R+ you won't find it, at least not spelled that way. Assuming I read your comment correctly.
I use mine on MURS frequencies when I go camping or fishing.
So I have a question. Do ham operators operate under part 97 requirements and the equipment should not need certification? If so, why does it matter whether it is part 90 certified? I am probably missing something here.
Robert Veale I think this is why there is confusing, I’m sorry but I don’t have the expertise to give an answer
Amateur radio operators don't care about their radio being part 90 certified unless they use their radio for part 90 use like a fire dept., search and rescue, ect. The problem with the part 90 UV-5R radios are the wattage listed in the grant is less than what people are using. The grant may say 1.78 watts and the radio is really 4 watts, over twice the allowed wattage that the grant states. I have the BF-F9V2+ myself because it is really legal up to 8 watts.
So why does it matter if it's part 90 certified? Because the ones that have no FCC ID on the label are completely illegal to use even for an amateur radio operator because the radio is capable of transmitting outside the amateur radio band. Having a part 90 certified radio is legal for amateur and commercial radio users because it has an FCC ID, and it can transmit outside the amateur radio band because it is a commercial/business band radio. Hard for me to explain so I hope you understand it.
DJ, thanks for the reply but I have a follow up question. Is it really illegal for hams to own radios that can transmit outside the ham bands? Some amateurs have custom or semicustom rigs that can do just that? Does part 97 state that amateurs can not even own such a transmitter?
@@Bob-be2pj amateur radio operators are allowed to own uncertified transceivers as long as they are not able to transmit out of their licensed frequency range. If you take a part 97 certified amateur radio and do a mod that allows it to transmit out of ham band then it's certification is void and becomes an illegal radio to operate.
I can not say for sure that possession of said transceiver would be illegal but in my opinion it would be.
Part 90 and part 95 have nothing to do with part 97 Amateur Radio Service... You can make your own transmitter and it's perfectly legal as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else.
Correct, as long as it doesn’t TX outside of ARS bands according to a recently released notice from the FCC as I understand the bulletin. Keep in mind I am not giving any legal advice and only talking about part 90 certification.
@@TheSmokinApe Not true, it can transmit, but the operator should not transmit... Amateur radio operators can build their own radios and they are not expected to build so they transmit only on ham radio bands...
@Russell: From the FCC complaints I have read, e.g., EB-SED-17-00024360, the issue for the FCC is the unlawful importing and marketing of devices that have not been granted proper FCC approvals (Part 15 included). You cannot legally import or market a ham radio (or a clock radio), into the USA, that hasn't got at least a Part 15 certification, although you can certainly build one of your own without any certifications at all.
The SmokinApe, thank you for sharing this video with us. But I'm confused, does this mean that all radios operated in the U.S. should be part 90 registered with the FCC? If so, why does the government allow radios sold in the States that are not part 90? I ask because I'm still learning the HAM radio world. Thanks again for your video trainings.
Sorry man, I am not clear on the rules. What I wanted to do was make a video that helps determine if a radio is part 90 certified.
@@TheSmokinApe Ok my brother, thank you for your response. Keep up the great work. 👍
@@thesecretasianman6014 Thank you brother for clarifying. Be safe out there.
TNX for the info S.A.
I have an old UV5-RA that I purchased circa 2010 & I see nothing under the battery that indicates anything FCC...I did purchase my UV5-RA from the Bao place in Houston, TX.---not that that means much but I have purchased 8 other models from the Bay & Amazon since.... I owe you for bringing this info out because now I'll definitely be looking...
I don't want to risk losing my Ticket in any way.....TNX Again,
Jeff
@@jeffrywatts8762 Just saw this post. I do not this BTECH in TX was around in 2010.
I won a Baofeng UV-6R in a drawing for getting 100 on my tech test.... just checked and there is no FCC ID LOL
Not surprised, but congrats on the radio!
So without buying a bunch of different radios, what inexpensive handhelds are available that are FCC accepted? I'm studying for my tech license and would like to get into this without spending a lot of money to begin with
Your most common options are a Baofeng or a Yaesu. If you get a Baofeng I suggest looking at the BTECH branded ones.
Thanks. I ordered a bfeng but not a btech. I figure for the money if I need to get another radio I'm not going to be out very much. But I was looking hard at the yaesu
I'm sure you will put it to good use! Thanks for watching...
Very interesting video. I recently ordered a UV5R on Amazon and I’ll be interested to look at the label. Main concern is that the Part 90 grant doesn’t allow me to operate the radio at 4 watts. I’ve a lot to learn.
Glad you liked the video, hope it was helpful.
no it doesn't the FCC part 90 certification for your uv5r is only for a uv5r that is not at all capable of transmitting above 1.83W i think it was. its illegal dont get caught. dont go walking around with it in case you find a ranger/officer that knows about the FCC tyrants new rules.
I get them now and again. Then put chirp on them. If it's trouble. Then have them" locked" by a amature extra. After he/she has verified it's ability to be in frequency. . That simple. Might be extra work. But stops a big fight. And encourages use of a valuable resource. The ham club.
Yeah, it’s helpful to lock them to TX only in Ham Frequencies 👍
Where can I find a radio I can purchase and it is part 90 certified?
Are you talking about a Baofeng or any radio?
Are you a commercial entity with commercial frequency allocated by FCC? If not, you cannot use a part 90 certified radio... Part 95 covers non-commercial radio services such as GMRS, FRS and these radios also cannot be used for Part 95.
1. Part 90 is only required for commercial/industrial use, NOT amateur radio.
2. The UV-82 is standard amateur model, the 82C is Part 90 (C is for commercial ha ha ha)
3. Amateur radio models only require Part 15 certification if they can transmit outside of the amateur radio frequencies, which is almost all models from all companies including the Big 3. Almost no models are locked to amateur frequencies only, and in those specific cases no certifications are required.
4. Most Part 90 models also have Part 15 certification, making them legal for amateur radio.
5. Almost none of the big name brand amateur radios have Part 90, which according to your claims makes them ALL illegal to use.
My Yaesu ft-60 is Part 90 and doesn’t TX outside of ARS bands.
Where did you get the notion that "Almost no models are locked to amateur frequencies only, and in those specific cases no certifications are required."? From my own research: even an amateur RECEIVER, or a scanner, with no transmitter at all, needs Part 15 to be legally marketed, imported or sold in the USA.
@@TheSmokinApe Hi, I just looked at the FCC database and the FT-60 is only Part 15 (scanning receiver) there is no Part 90 for the FT-60
Great Vid. Still confused about the whole thing but not you fault. Honestly I don't see the FCC riding around in a black car catching people. Will probably turn out like using a linier on the old CB. I have ten Btech radios and most have the sticker. a couple of the 82HPs that came from Btech do not have a sticker. Kinda like using for GMRS. I have HAM and GMRS but I guess I cant use the same radio for both? later, DCW
Thanks man, the whole thing is a bit confusing. It’s my understanding that you can’t use the fengs on GMRS except the one that is certified.
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@Whit: Yes, it is an "administrative" violation by the importers (and a criminal violation by those submitting false certifications), but I don't see any way the FCC is going to actively pursue users of "illegal" transmitters unless there is some remarkable interference (e.g., some spurious signals, or yakking on frequencies that require a specific license and not stating your callsign). In other words, they probably can't guess what radio you have, simply by listening to your transmissions, let alone see whether it has the "FCCID" sticker -- until they catch you for some other reason.
I think Baofeng just doesn't have the personnel with the right regulatory knowledge to get all their ducks in a row. Their applications are full of errors, yet FCC still approved them? I have more than one UV-B5, and there is not FCC-ID on any of them, however the label looks just like the label they provided to the FCC in their application. Did the FCC not thoroughly review the applications? My B5's look just like the photos, so I suppose none of them are Part 90 because Baofeng simply did not put it on the label after going through all the regulatory hoops to get it certified? Another thing, if I were to homebrew my own equipment, it would be capable of transmitting some ways out of amateur bands, and I assume that is legal. Also, I have known hams to utilize surplus domestic commercial radio equipment for ham band use without modifying them to stay only within ham bands. Is that illegal, too? Or is that OK because those commercial units are not "field programmable"?
Honestly I’m not sure how to answer your questions, I am hoping that the Arrl and FCC can provide some clarification.
I believe importing consumer goods (sold without any need to ask for a personal license) is held to a different standard than homebrewed ham transceivers. Bfeng markets many "non-certified" radios as "amateur radio", knowing full well that most of them will be used illegally (without any license) in other bands. Turns out that is completely illegal to market/import any such radios, knowing they are "capable of operating outside the scope of its equipment authorization." 47 CFR § 2.803.
Also, in theory, US Customs can immediately seize any radio equipment being imported to the USA that lacks the required FCC-ID label. This includes one you may have in your carry-on baggage. Like having a UL listing, the FCC delegates the LABELING task to the manufacturer, once approval is granted in the file.
great info dude I've been trying to figure that out I think I'm ok
It’s all very confusing!
Very but I think that’s what they want 😆
You might be right
it is now dec 2021.
and no ban yet.
remove the three year old videos. and replace with current info videos.
Glad you liked the video!
A nice video, really, but you missed a small piece that makes all the difference in Part 90 type acceptance, so you are wrong about it.
What small piece? Please elaborate.
@@solidaudioTV: A small piece of the Part 90 rules. While a specific radio like a UV5R may, when set up correctly, be Part 90 certified, that does not mean that ALL UV5R radios are. One of the requirements of Part 90 compliance is the radio cannot be programable from the face (manually). The Part 90 certification referenced here was for a specific version of the radio from a specific supplier that DID have the appropriate firmware for compliance but is no longer sold in the US. The everyday UV5R and its progeny, that ARE sold here, do not have that firmware and are "face" programable without a computer...so they do NOT qualify as legal Part 90 radios. In fact, the famous FCC action against "Amcrest Industries, LLC d/b/a Baofengradio(.us)" in 2018 was for claiming the UV5R they offered for sale was Part 90 compliant, though it was "capable of (1) transmitting on land
mobile frequencies using the equipment’s external controls and (2) operating at power levels above those specified in its Equipment Authorization". docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-18-801A1.pdf
Baofeng currently only has one Part 90 compliant HT. The UV82C. the "C" stands for "commercial". The only real difference between the UV82, which is NOT compliant and the UV82C, that IS compliant, is the firmware to disable "face" (manual) programming (ie: you must use a computer).
Meh, FCC does nothing about the blatant violators like that 14.313 mess. If you have these don't be stupid and nobody will ever know the difference.
I’m just hoping that the FCC and the ARRL can work together to clear up the matter.
exactly what i was told by a local OO (basicly a sheriff of the ham radio community)
Well, I Won Two Baofengs And Neathe Of Two Have THE fcc sTICKER
who cares, the FCC doesnt have officers patrolling making sure people are using their radios correctly, they dont even know you have one unless you register and pay them $$$. Dont waste your time and money, you dont need a license (according to the FCC you do) dont lick their boot and pay them money for u to talk on a gosh darn radio that you paid your own money for, and dont listen to them old HAM operators that insist you get a license lol screw them, just dont talk on police/Emergency Services frequencies and on repeaters making a ruckus, and you will be fine, plus they are only like 5 watts so its not like anybody will hear you
Look up fcc enforcement team oin RUclips. You'll be awful surprised
Also it didnt cost me anything to get my license. I went for the class and they said they were offering it for free. Saved me like what? 15 bucks.