Golden Sun: Dark Dawn -- Derivative Brilliance
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- Golden Sun: Dark Dawn is a game undeniably more flawed than the two entries that came before it. But thanks to its concepts being rooted in a strong foundation, Dark Dawn proves to still be an enjoyable part of Golden Sun's legacy.
0:00 A New Beginning
1:19 The Next Generation
2:51 A Less Than Epic Start
4:03 The Darkness of Flaws
6:46 Absence of Heroes
8:40 It's Just "More Golden Sun"
10:12 But The Game Is Still Fun
12:02 Derivative Brilliance 
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I love dark dawn, it was my introduction to the golden sun series, I remember playing it when I was younger
Same
Were you all too young to remember gba? Gameboy Advance? The first 2 were the best n most classic imo
@@310percentage I never said the old games are bad, I just like dark dawn, trust me I wouldn't put dark dawn above them
I've only played the first 2. I just found Dark Dawn sealed for $10 so I was checking reviews if I should open it or keep it sealed
I grew up on this one too
It kind of sucks everyone says dark dawn sucks, and I guess when compared to the old games its definitely vastly different, but as it stands alone I think its a perfectly valid game.
The sudden turn into excitement at the end was pure brilliance. Loved it!
One point I hate, there is ONE untelegraphed point of no return in the game. Konpa Cave.
The other two (Craggy Peak and Belinsk) are both told to the player "It'll be difficult if not impossible to return this way. Make sure you've finished what you have to do!" With the former, you can in fact return to those locations (barring Craggy Peak itself and the Zodiac Dungeon) later, and Belinsk flat out says it's a one way trip. Hell, even Konpa Cave is hinted, since the enemies are clearly trying to split the party, so it it makes logical sense they would prevent you from doubling back.
There are gripes to make, but misrepresenting this one isn't one of them.
It's important to keep in mind that I've only played this game once, and thus I may be prone to information. I'm all for being corrected. However, the only instance I truly agree with your counter-argument is with Passaj to Craggy Peak. That I absolutely agree was a well-telegraphed and fine use of a point of no return, especially because eventually you can go back to that area later in the game. Frankly, I don't remember where it was said that Belinsk was a one way trip. Can we blame my faulty memory for that? Sure, and I'll own up to that. But there wasn't that clear cut moment where I was aware I am undoubtedly going into a point of no return. Hints and logical sense alone do not justify it.
Even then, my criticism of the points of no return wasn't even focused on how they were telegraphed. I wanted to emphasize the point that because of their inclusion, it makes it possible to miss gameplay tools such and just makes the world feel smaller. Me saying that I felt they were untelegraphed was just one passing mention in that section. Now I will apologize if that remark implied the who game was equally guilty of what Konpa Cave did. But barring that, the rest of my issues with their implementation still stand.
Hey man, great video! I found this through the Golden Sun subreddit. I believe you have a lot of potential as a youtuber!
I just finished watching the entire thing :)
Good summary. I feel the same about pretty much everything. Story only really got going half way through. Points of no return suck. Didn't wipe until final boss (where i then realised the other 4 characters step in lol). However, just being in the universe again and hearing the music put a big smile on my face. I enjoyed some of the later dungeon puzzles and they put a lot of effort into weapon specials and summons.
Could've been better, but it was a relief to get something and I hope it can continue from the cliffhanger on the Switch.
Good thumbnail.
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Dark Dawn is my favorite DS game and I love that there's someone out there who loves it as much as I do
I've plaid it so much I wore out the map that came in my guide book lol
Thank you for your positivity on this game. I was a bit disappointed by difficulty and the aesthetics, but they improved several things and the psynergie ds System is great. Its a golden sun game and i wish there were more of them
Golden Sun (1 and 2) deserves a remake for nintendo switch, and Golden Sun 4 need to narrate the conclusión of the history of Isaac and his comrades, and Anlex is the Sephiroth of the game we need Issac and Felix battle him in some point of the history, I really love this game, I have good memories from the 3 games. Good vídeo man and excuse my regular english.
We also need to fight the High empyror, that must be the final boss imo
They don't need a remake, both are a masterpiece. Stop that stupid trend of remaking everything and just enjoy the first two or just pass.
@@PsychomachineryEBM No, I want a remake of this masterpiece like Final Fantasy Rebirth.
@@meyerantoniomarulandabland9231 lol so you want a completely different game
Your video made me complete ebay checkout. I was just looking for reason to buy an old rpg that was fun and not costing $150+. It's always difficult as a consumer to wade through reviews of everyone that plays everything and has little to no concern about casuals like myself... which I think is always the reason for franchise retread. Developers get it. You're one of the few YTubers that also get it, or at least the duality.
I've actually been re-playing Golden sun, this is the first time I've ever actually been to crossbone Isle let alone defeated dread beard.
Childhood me just gave up at Venus light house and never played the other GBA game, I skipped it and went right to dark dawn when it came out. I thought it was fun then but I still had some gripes about it.
Do I have fun watching this second or even third time? ABSO - FREAKING-LUTELY!
I love this game to death. The new psynergy and weapon unleashes, 3D special effects, the intimation of elements that may exist in the shadow cast by the Golden Sun event and alchemy, the Zols, Crystallux, the Eclipse Tower puzzles, but I concur with all of these criticisms. That said, people have a nauseating tendency to blow them out of proportion. Anyway, between the limiting scope, unanswered and contradictory plot threads and of course, the cliffhanger, I wonder what happened behind the scenes. I hear tell that Camelot has refused to take a stab at another Golden Sun game because of executive meddling that threw plans for this installment off course, but I have yet to find anything to verify this claim. At any rate, it annoys me that the series remains in this weird limbo when it obviously has so much more to offer. I honestly wish GS4 were announced at E3 2014 INSTEAD of Splatoon. That would by itself be an infinitely better timeline than the one we’re living in now, and perhaps via Butterfly Effect would have even negated all the hardships humanity has been through since.
Okay, I just binged your first four Golden Sun videos, and MAN. These are so good! Great job, Chris. And I’m glad you still enjoyed Dark Dawn, especially hot off the heels of The Lost Age. I really liked this game too. Yeah, the story could’ve been better, it was too easy, and there weren’t near enough returning characters (especially Jenna and Felix). That said, Karis may be my third favorite in the series, and I honestly love almost all the characters in this game. Besides, I still had such a great time just getting to play a third Golden Sun game.
…But I’m still dying for a Golden Sun 4…
Thanks for watching all four. I'm glad you enjoyed them.
Camelot really needs to be asked to make a new one instead of yet another ,Mario Sports game. I can only imagine how great one would be for switch(or next system)
this video was such a roller coaster of emotions... I love it!
$20 says that IF they make a new game Felix/Sheba's kid will be the protag
I loved the first two growing up and I've had dark dawn sitting around for years I'm finally gonna start it and I'm looking forward to it. It's actually really random how I found out about it. It was so long ago and I was so young I didnt know what I was searching for I think I was just going to game store websites and clicking on anything that looked like final fantasy and it just so happened the first one was coming out in a couple days and I just happened to find it and see pictures of how cool it looked
This was my first game in the series. I love it so much and it was a huge part of my childhood. It holds a big spot in my heart and will always be one of my favorites. Literally, the only things I didn't like about the game was that there were some djinn you could completely miss due to points of no return and that they gave us a cliffhanger ending that (as of now) hasn't been resolved yet
About Jenna not appearing: She is supposedly residing in Kalay as the game mentioned in a dialogue but.. that place is never visited and alongside some other.. information about the game, I think the game had quite some cut content around. For example: You can see two of the four elemental lighthouses on the worldmap, but trying to visit those places is pretty much undoable, and from how it looks like they were supposed to be visitable and perhaps linked to the Apollo Sanctum area.
And why Felix & Sheba aren't appearing imo is more of a Tuaparang interference and "would you like to know what is going on in the western part of this world?" moment.
Let's one wonder when Golden Sun 4 is about to show up so that the missing links get connected, like I finally wanna see how Takeru looks like who's trying to rescue Felix, who might be traveling around with Piers due to what the game teased. While at it, Nowell might very well be the mercury adept of GS4's first party due to what was also being teased and sounding like is going on with the builtup for GS4.
So, I was only 12 when dark dawn came out, and I regretfully didn't really get into playing video games until I met my best friend in high school, so I never played the first two. And by the time I fell in love with dark dawn, I didn't have a game boy to even consider playing the first two. So to this day dark dawn is the only game in the series I've played. From this perspective, I can say that this is one of my all time favorite games! I've played through it a couple times and I think I'm going to do so again! And I can say that if another golden sun game ever came out, I'd jump on that in a new york second!
My gripe list for Dark Dawn is short, mostly limited to the 3 points of no return, only 2 new dual elemental classes, and the fact the djinn tutorial asks if you're familiar before spitting out "can't be to sure!"
I'm stunned nobody ever mentions this. But right before the final boss you can level up from lvl 30 to 99 in 40 minutes flat on the recurring grunts enemy. It completely takes away from the end game lvl grind I loved for the super boss in TLA.
love ur vid. totally forgot about 20 anniversary.
Felix and Sheba also went to Crossbone Isle
My biggest problem with this game to be real, was the constant cock teasing of Arcana. We know you’re Alex, even Kraden knows you’re Alex. Really wish we’d have learned more about him after how he became the most interesting character in the second half of Lost Age. Entire game felt like a prologue which is fine when it’s marketed that way, little easier to get the green light for the sequel 😔
Well I didn’t really see this as an issue because it was my first golden sun game lol
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Pardon my stupidity, but Mars Star moment?
Great video though! Keep up the good work.
The Mars Star was an item in Golden Sun 1 that you get fairly early in the game. It was just a plot maguffin and served no gameplay function. These games also don't have a seperate key items tab, so it takes up one of the 60 possible item slots that whole time.
Piers should have been playable at some point during the ship section/ A reunion in Kalay should have happened after the eclipse started. The summons should not have been split up across two screens with a big section missing. Te 2D of 2002 worked better than janky 3D for lots of effects as well (not universal). All in all your shake is very fair and enthusiatc and I experienced much of what you describe here
Now works on twilight menu :D 😊
I honestly don't mind point of no return, since I know other RPGs have them too.
This video sounds so pretencious but it's a fun watch.
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@@ChrisTheFields There is literally nothing pretentious in this video, don't even trip bro. It was awesome, and your passion shined through as well.
Felix x Sheba........
crossbone isle lol
Bro unpeed😭
The biggest thing that Dark Dawn suffers from is that it is very clearly setting up a new series of games...that never actually got made because of how poorly received it was. It feels more like a prologue than a complete story in and of itself.
Well, the first two games are widely and wisely considered as masterpieces for 20+ years, and this one just got a meh. Not playing with the original characters is one of the reasons, those flaws that were mentioned here, and the 3D graphics were disappointing to me (they should stayed pixel art).
Why does the next gen game look SO BAD. Maybe it's petty but the way it's SO UGLY was the biggest reason I didn't play it. I hate it when they shoehorn in useless 3d that looks like crap.
I was wondering where the hell is apollo sanctum during golden sun and tla it feel like this sanctum just pop up out of nowhere in dark dawn