Man, it happened to me last week. We tried to continue our debate, but me and my friend had to fire the machine guns. Eventually we met again and we finished the debate.
Agreed, let's change the names of the days of the week, the months, the planets, and the constellations. All VERY offensive to anyone who's not a Greek or Roman pagan.
Neil Degrasse Tyson had a great point on this topic on Joe Rogan's podcase. The catholic church designed the gregorian calendar to solve the problem of the leap year, and they were on the cutting edge of astronomical science at the time. Since they designed the system which works for us, and since they did it scientifically, he respects the names that they used for it, which includes Gregorian and also the BC/AD naming convention.
Really? Because he's wrong. The calendar we use was designed by Julius Caesar and an Egyptian astronomer friend. All the gregorian bit does is include a correction for the leap year, but it isn't anywhere near as dramatic a change as Caesar's original calendar.
@@vacri54 That’s funny, because it turns out that in fact you’re wrong. Julius just reformed the Roman Republican calendar which was previously reformed by Flavius and was itself based on the legendary ten month calendar which was itself based on a prehistoric lunar calendar. In other words. All knowledge is built on existing knowledge. The Gregorian calendar was an important improvement.
I always use A.D/B.C in papers at University. I've once been asked about it by a Professor and he seemed to accept my explanation that since A.D/B.C refers to the same as B.C.E/B.C it was more honest to use the one that laid the cultural heritage of the system out in the open instead of imposing a false neutrality.
The oldest recorded history was 3200 BC, so we just add 3200 to our year and put that as the starting point as 0. So the current year (2020) is 5220 instead. However, you still need to be able to reference older dates. Well, the universe was created 13 799 million years ago, add or remove 21 million years. The issue here is that we don't have an exact date. We could simply add 13 799 000 000 to our year 1, and get that our current date is 13799002020, but that just doesn't look right, as we just have prefixed it with 1379900...
It's a thing in the sense that "history" is the story of "him" and therefore anti-woman. Illogical academics getting offended by things is a "thing" just happens to be a thing no one should ever care about.
It's a thing that students write in history papers when they're trying to appease a teacher who takes pleasure in playing power games with children, but even most young people I know use BC and AD when talking outside of school unless they're really into social justice
I don't believe in Jesus or God or anything like that, but I still use B.C and A.D (or f.Kr and e.Kr as I'm Swedish). It's just a convenient way of telling dates. If people want to be offended, well that's their problem. If you wanna get offended about B.C and A.D, then you better stop using the names of the days (in addition to the months as mentioned in the video) since they're based on Norse religion. Tuesday is named after Tyr, Wednesday after Odin, Thursday after Thor and Friday after Frigg. Can't have heathen names in our week, can we? That could offend non-heathens. Seriously, all the political correctness is getting ludicrous.
All the pointing at political correctness without looking at the history of the terms is getting ludicrous. They're centuries old but you're complaining about them now because you think someone might have a different opinion about their use? As a Finn I very rarely nowadays see eKr / jKr (your f.Kr / e.Kr), but eaa / jaa (before and after chronology respectively) seem to be the norm. Nobody complains about it.
***** afaik it came up in academic literature first, in the 19th century and spread since then: Source: History of the use of the CE/BCE abbreviation Although Jews have their own Hebrew calendar, they often use the Gregorian calendar.[58] As early as 1825, the abbreviation VE (for Vulgar Era) was in use among Jews to denote years on the Western calendar.[59] Common Era notation has also been in use for Hebrew lessons for "more than a century".[60] Some Jewish academics were already using the CE and BCE abbreviations by the mid-19th century, such as in 1856, when Rabbi and historian Morris Jacob Raphall used the abbreviation in his book Post-Biblical History of The Jews.[61][62] The ratio of usage of BCE to BC,[63] CE to AD,[64] Common Era to Anno Domini,[65] and Before Common Era to Before Christ[66] in books has changed dramatically between the years 1800 and 2008, particularly since 1980, with the CE-related variants increasing in usage.
***** In Sweden it's called "Onsdag" which is the day of Odin. So it's very much based on Norse religion here. Obviously Wednesday won't be named after Woden or Odin if you go to for example China, I was merely using a local example I know to make my point.
Code - in case the enemy is listening. A reference to an historical event .B.C.E. could mean to switch from high explosives to smoke rounds, whereas a reference to an event C.E. could mean to fall back from your current position. An important distinction, I think you'll agree.
Lindybeige military doesn't use A-B-C for that reason, they use Alpha Bravo Charlie. Words that don't sound alike that way when there are explosions like in your example they don't accidentally hear Bee Eee instead of BC
Donkel Doo The Dapper Dog I'm registering this as a micro-agression. And will be sending a note to youtube staff about how they shouldn't let you insult me so.
@@dikshyasurvi6869 'Politically Correct" culture. you know how feminists are roaming your country claiming it is the rape-capital of the world, even though india has one of the lowest rapes-per-capita rates in existence? those feminists spreading false information, is PC culture.
I used to think that, too. But it doesn't make sense, you see. Because Christ was born 0 AD. So, if "AD" stood for "After Death", then the year Christ was born would also be the year Christ died. Instead, "AD" stands for "Anus Dominus", which means "In the year of our Lord".
Well, there are two options. Free thinking was never a thing since your thoughts are always pushed in directions by others, OR free thinking has always been a thing since no one will punish you from thinking stuff. The way you meant it i'm sure pagan gods had the same effect...
PATRICK SMITH Modern books were invented, lions went extinct in western Europe, the first Chinese census, Augustus Caesar established the Roman Empire, and the Western Han dynasty ended with the death of Emperor Ai.
I'm a pretty ardent atheist and about as anti religious as one can get and I literally couldn't care less. You can even say bless you when someone sneezes. There are real problems in the world. I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone ever saying they care about this. Does anyone care?
Okay but don't chase them away. I really want to know. Does anyone really care if someone says B.C. instead of B.C.E.? Oh, and Princess Peach, it won't let me restore your comment. She, (I assume it's a she) she says "Same.". Couldn't be less spam.
Atheists aren't the ones likely to be offended by BC/AD. It's more historians from other religions like Judaism. Fun fact: "Common era" was used as early as the 18th century and was used by Jewish historians in the 19th century. So this is hardly a new debate.
Atheists, it is fine for us to acknowledge that religion has and does still exist. Refusing to talk about it and bending over backward to disregard it is silly and willfully ignorant. Trying to dissect Western culture to remove every trace of Christianity would be a waste of energy that could be used for more productive things.
+Nathan C. the turn point of the fall of western civilization.multicultural socialist would do anything to denies their own culture,destroying religion,destroy family,private property,and opens a free gateaway for communist socialism "the most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their own history" George Orwell
Michael Jason Seibert Blah blah, communism, blah blah, something George Orwell said. You sound like a loon, I may agree with some of that mess but it's hard to tell.
Even if one isn't Christian, Jesus is probably one of the most influential figures in western history anyway. His (approximate) birth date makes as much sense as a starting point as any other event.
You missed the more obvious reason for the change: book sales. when you convert from one system to another, you must reprint texts, and thus, sell new texts. sales carry far more weight than PC ideology
I've never understood BCE. You're right it doesn't even fix this imaginary problem. I wonder why the BCE crowd doesn't advocate for a different calendar year altogether? That would at least make some sense. If you used one of the older calendars like the Chinese or Jewish, we could get rid of a lot of these backwards counting dates.
@@AverageAlien I don't know that you do want to do that. But I can see at least some advantage in minimizing negative years starting the calendar at the dawn of recorded history. The Jewish and Chinese calendars go back much further.
First we'll have to reinstate consulships and give each of the previous 2000 odd years a pair of consuls and get everybody to memorise all their names... But it certainly will be less of a pain that having to nominally admit that Christianity was a thing
Love this. I will always use BC/AD as they are perfectly fine and I like words that have "deeper roots" or more to it because then they always have nifty little fun facts attached to them, such as the calendar names mentioned. CE/BCE feel kind of sterile meaning-wise to me.
You could always add 10,000 to the current year like Kurgzegat (or however they spell their name on youtube) pushed for in a recent video and have the whole thing just be the "Human Era" without the pesky bce, ad, bc, ce naming conventions causing mild annoyances among people.
thenecromorpher Kurzesagt point was that years b.c. seem less relevant than years a.d. and that reasoning is stupid Imo, because I have never felt like a date 5000 b.c. being less important than 500 a.d. That's like saying that negative numbers are less iportant than positive numbers in mathematics which is absurd
Kurzgesagt's point was to make it so that all of human history is on a linear path forward from the closest 0 mark we could scientifically find and see the overall progression of how far humanity has come. Not that it's completely useless.
No-one gets outraged over Roman gods and leaders being used for months - similarly, no-one gets outraged over Norse gods being used for four of the days of the week (Tiw's Day [War and Law], Woden's Day [aka Odin], Thunar's Day [aka Thor], Freyja's Day [Odin's wife]), plus another Roman god (Saturn's Day) and celestial entities (Sun day, Moon day) for variety. Or that one of the key mechanisms to Christianity's spread was repurposing existing festivals (e.g. spring, harvest, winter)...
+mittfh psst buddy..Odin's wife is named Frigg, whose realm is marriage and protection..Freya is a different goddess, whose realm is sensual love, and she is married to Od (yes, who is not Odin, youve got it :)
Reminds me of the Atheist who refuse to buy ACOG scopes because of the bible quote on the side of it. rather un-atheist like to reject what is basically the best mid range scope ever made just because of some (to them) meaningless words on the side.
The word is "theist". "Un-atheist" is very similar to saying "not not theist", which just sounds silly. I'm guessing that, if he was American, he would have been paying by card.
+scarfacemperor The problem is that there is no year zero. Subtracting minus 44 from plus 2015 gives 2059 but Caesar was assassinated 2058 years (and 8 months) ago. You could stick zero in but then all the BC dates have to be adjusted (1 BC becoming 0, 2 BC becoming -1, ... 44 BC becoming -43, etc.).
I forgot to mentioned that in college, especially in the US, professors have very strong liberal views, and spew liberal lectures. If you write a thesis that opposed their view, they give you a low mark. So it's not about being academic when using BCE and CE, its just plain old political correctness.
CODomingo So people who are trained to do research have "very strong liberal views". Maybe ponder a bit about that. Your talking about "spewing liberal lectures" unmasks you as the unwashed ideologue, I'm afraid....
That always bothers me of people viewing an ideologue in a negative manner. So what? I like saying Merry Christmas, or policeman. I have a very strong conservative views when it comes to social issues.
CODomingo And very antidemocratic ones to boot. But I am sure you'll see yourself as an advocate of freedom - the freedom of everyone to share your opinion, because if they don't, they "spew lectures" whereas you, of course, merely articulate your opinion. Saying Merry Christmas or policeman has precious little to do with conservativism, but then, so do your opinions. An actual conservative has way more style and manners than to take the notion that someone dares disagree with him as a reason to insult them. You are just a right wing thug.
I just use the phrase "spew lecture" and you are calling me a right wing thug? Who's insulting who here? I'm going to end this conversation before it escalate into a flame war.
Watching this video in 2017 and found it to be comedy gold! loved every minute not only because if the interesting historical facts, but also because of how offensively sensible he sounds. This video should be shown on every screen in america, when everyone inevitably agrees that the topic is a non-issue, we can examine what other current issues share a remarkable similarity.
Thanks for this video. I'm an English teacher in Germany and got a terrible shock when I read C.E. and felt embarrassed that I didn't know what it meant. I'm so fed up of political correctness. Please don't call me Ms.!!!!
Let's just use Stardates instead. Then someone will inevitably ask, "Is Stardate 5296.45 "Before Kirk" or "After Picard" (BK or AP)?" and you'll get a whole 'nother philosophical argument.
I've been using a similar calendar, based off of the radiation of humanity across earth. I've been using this calendar for the past 32,000 years. Then all of a sudden these past few thousand years everyone has to make up their own and ignore mine. All that aside, I would rather live After Picard.
+Soviet Bear The "Christian Era" is considered to have begun with the birth of Christ. As result, it would use the existing dates with no change needed.
@@wclark3196 By "after christ" we mean "After the birth of christ". The phrase "Efter Jesu födelse" is also used to describe something past the year 0, and it literally means "After Jesus' birth".
Same here in Brazil, everytime we hear someone saying common era or the likes he's going to get some weird looks and be corrected to say before and after christ
@@wclark3196 like lindy said, might as well make up new names for the months because they are named after roman gods and change the starting point of the calendar, making a mess out of everything forever because all of the literature would be outdated and create generational clashes between those who prefer it the way it's been for a thousand years and those who want to wash out any influence from any culture in the calendar
In my county (which is 80% catholic, although decreasing rapidly) AC and DC (BC and AD translated) are still used everywhere and this problem is non existant
its A.D and B.C, not AC and DC. also AC and DC ín themselves are not used that much in electronical calculations AND who would put year dates in them anyway
In Swedish, we have f.Kr. and e.Kr. (before Christ, after Christ), and the f.v.t. and e.v.t. was created meaning "before Western era", "after Western era" alternatively being "our" instead of "Western".
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it", is an absolutely *awful* maxim. Horse and carriage wasn't broken, gas lamps weren't broken, and yet I imagine nobody here would disagree when I say that creating the internal combustion engine for use in automobiles, or inventing electric lightbulbs, was most definitely a good idea. That said, I do agree that C.E. and B.C.E are unnecessarily awkward and too similar, and there's nothing really wrong with A.D. and B.C. I even like the idea of renaming them so that they stand for something different. Not sure I like your specific idea, though. I think I prefer "Before Current" for BC. Not sure what AD should be, though. Small side note, most historians do tend to agree that Jesus was a historical figure that lived around the time Christians say he lived. It's only a matter of the whole "was the son of god" thing that needs to be corrected (oh and also he was probably born at some point around July, not in December).
well there are a lot of things broken with carriages and gas lamps. Example, the horse can't run for days with out rest, the lack of rest broke the horse. so people made things like cars to fix the issue with the horse (tho i don't believe the horses endurance was really considered a problem when the car was introduced) anyway you should also consider the fact that the car is an alternative to the horse, not a replacement. There are situations where horses are still used and preferred over cars, same with gas lamps
Like all maxims, you shouldn't follow it to the extreme. The maxim is more a rule-of-thumb that reminds you that in general, you shouldn't try to find another solution to a problem that has already a good solution. In this case, if someone would come up with a really superior calender, sure, adopt that one. But just renaming elements to avoid insulting extremely sensitive people (if they exist) isn't productive.
I had no idea that CE and BCE even existed. And if BC/AD annoys people because of what the letters stand for, they should be equally annoyed knowing that even if we change the letters, the year zero was still chosen to be year zero for christian reasons. I am just waiting for the next politically correct person to suggest we start a new count. Like, right NOW. This year is from now on year 1 (because starting with 0 seems ridiculous - this is the first year, thus now is year 1). AND IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH ME I WILL BE OFFENDED!
SweGunner71 I don't actually see why anyone should be offended with that use. My only problem with it is it's rather unscientific and the human body of knowledge is supposed to be secular. But oh well, it still works well in communication.
I AM SO OFFENDED! OUTRAGEOUS (IS THERE NO WAY TO MAKE CAPS EVEN MORE CAPPY TO INDICATE HOW EXTREMELY OFFENDED I AM NOW!!!!!!! (USING MANY EXCLAMATIONMARKS MAY DO THE TRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
I'm addicted to Lindybeige content. I love it all. It would be great to get more sociopolitical commentary like this, but then we run the risk of loosing the whole channel to the mob.
Starting with current Monday: Mopeday, Tireday, Whyday, Hopeday, Freeday, Sitday, Lastday Now you don't have to change the letters! Except for Lastday but it overlapped with Sitday anyway.
This guy is the best kind of atheist, IMO. It seems like if I met him in person and told him I'm a Christian he would say "Ok, that's fine" and the conversation would move on instead of him overreacting like some militant atheists or SJWs will do.
Random Passerby *puts on fake college aged female personality* HOW DARE YOU?!?! How dare you speak to a woman! That is sexist! *throws in a few more "ists" and "isms" to try sounding smart* *removes fake college aged female personality* NOTE: I understand that most feminists are equal, but I have seen SOME that have acted the way I just pretended to.
7:23 WOW! I can't believe that *I* am gonna correct *you* ahah July and August weren't actually _created_ for Julius and Augustus, just renamed: their names were Quintilis and Sextilis ("fifth" and "sixth"). These months were named from the supposed fifth to the supposed tenth (even being the seventh and the twelfth) because the roman calendar started the first day of March and ended the last day of February (that's why the leap day is added in February).
Yes. Actually, to be fair, the Roman calendar changed various times during the Kingdom and the first phases of the Republic (started with ten months, new ones added, then even switched some random months), but the "definitive" one is the one I described: from March to February, with those months called from the fifth to the tenth. Only then happened what I said, to honorate Julius and Augustus (in fact one of those two months was 30 days long and, not to disrespect one of those men, they also changed the duration of some months to make them both "long").
Actually, there are many languages that do indeed just number out the days of the week, and it is not always a newly invented convention. These languages include Mandarin Chinese, Lithuanian, Latvian, and most Slavic languages do for Tuesday, Thursday, Friday.
purpleanex According to the Bible, the Sabbath or Saturday is the last day of the week which marks Sunday as the first day of the week for many Jewish and Christian faiths, while many countries regard Monday as the first day of the week. Can't go by the Bible, that makes people sad.
C.E./B.C.E. is just silly. It still refers to Christ as the zero point, but pretends not to do it by not having something christian in its terms. What happened between 1 BCE and 1 CE that allows to place that marker there? And what does "common" era even mean?
Being politically correct in the most *insignificant* ways seems to be really in vogue lately (by lately I mean last decade or so). Being PC has always had its lure to the morally righteous but they used to weigh in on controversial topics and tut-tut at people's way of living life. Now they're running around trying to get this and that changed in history, media, art (well they always did that, I suppose), games. I'm not sure if its a mentality as old as humanity or some new growing force of people without enough real problems in their life...
***** I really like your comment, there really is a neo-Victorian vibe to a lot of this. I'd also argue some of these people are Authoritarians and exalt in removing theirs and others freedoms, history and logic to a higher (human) being, sacrificing sense so feelings aren't hurt.
G96Saber With what I've read on wikipedia -- 'loyalty does not mean subservience to authority'. And on authoritarianism the definition is 'Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by absolute or blind obedience to authority'. Confucianism seems to me to be the *respect* of authority with the understanding that you and they have reciprocal interests for prosperity -- as a parent figure who cares for you, and you for them. Confucius himself left the employee of Duke Ding (again -> wikipedia, you'd know more) when he was disappointed by the Duke's hedonism. Authoritarianism is complete unquestioning rule under a regime. Different thing in my opinion.
KKlawm Well, there is kind of a sliding scale between 'Authoritarianism' and 'Libertarianism'. All governments, by their very nature, are to some point authoritarian, which is by no means a bad thing. On the Libertarian-Authoritarian scale, Confucianism is closer toward Authoritarianism than most mainline western politics (damn Thatcher, sometimes). That's why I said as I did.
Agreed 100%, in Italy we usually say before christ-after christ(anno domini is nowadays mainly used by the church) , and yes nobody gets offended, it's just a convention
In America many people actually believe A.D. means "After Death (of Jesus) which makes no sense because what about the 30 something years Jesus allegedly lived in between?
Common mistake, a lot of Americans think that too, which of course makes no sense, because that implies a roughly-35 year period with no dates. But American Christians generally don't like to think, so whatever, works for them.
Kurzgesagt uses the "Human Calendar" which starts aprox. at the beginning of human civilization, so 2020 is 12020. I really like this one because it acknowledges the 10,000 years of culture before Christianity and its not a very big change.
Having very large numbers is not very helpful especially archaelogically where it would introduce problems to dating. Why should dates that are unheard of and undocumented be relevant? Useless system, with a bad reference point that could vary a span of thousands of years. To me that seems to be some sort of weird pandering to everyone
@@gordonfreemanthesemendemon1805 you don’t usually have to right AD. You only Generally have to right BC on less your talking about time periods near 0. Bc/Ad is much better ones Dyslexia. It’s much to understand in a spoken. It also much easier to abbreviate. These are small few things has to why. Kurgzhtuss system sucks no offense to him in other things.
I just use the Holocene calendar. Mainly because I love saying Julius Caesar died on the Ides of March 9957 HE, but its also because I don't like how human history is split like that it's A. confusing and B. I prefer to look back on human history and see all of it in one continuous ascending date. But I still use the Gregorian Calendar as a reference because not everyone uses it and are often puzzled by my choice of date.
The Holocene calendar starts a few thousand years before the gregorian calendar, starting close to when the earliest known human structure was built (I say close because the calendar was introduced a while before the structure's discovery), I can't remember the structure itself but it was discovered in Turkey last year I think. The calendar us meant to just put Human History in a simple ascending timeline, which helps put things in perspective for some people (including me). Also the BC/BCE conversion is pretty confusing at first :D
It still just adds 1 to the beginning of the Gregorian calendar, as we don't know what year the Gobekli Tepe was built in. Ultimately, you still have the same calendar, which still divides human history. After all, humanity existed for thousands of years before the Gobekli Tepe was built, and even produced art during the time, yet the Holocene calendar still cuts them off.
i was brought up with AD and BC and i refuse to acknowledge any other nomenclature ..i don't care if any one is offended, in fact if they are I like that more!
Thanks for actually discussing this. As an alternative history researcher, I've ran into this more often than most. As soon as I say B.C. some people assume that I'm either going to talk about a Christian topic or that I am one. I have no problems with people believing in a particular faith but when it comes to the discussion of history, it isn't a matter of faith, it's a matter of facts and how those facts help us understand the past. To that end, the terms Before Christ and Anno Domini were first theorized by a monk (who, by the way, was censured by his superior and almost kicked out of the church for doing), leaving no surprise as to why they are as such. People who take offense really are, unfortunately, showing how little they know or appropriate about our history.
I like how I didn't even know ce and bce where even a thing before this video. That likely goes to prove how pointless they are. Also I greatly approve of the mockery against political correct people who just do it for themselves.
No. July and August did NOT shove September etc along by two months. The months of July and August had always been there. It's just that before they were re-named to satisfy various egos they were known as Quintilis and Sextilis - the Fifth and Sixth Months. No, the real reason is that way back when the Roman calendar began with March. It is January and February that are the "extra" months.
January and February (and at least part of March) were the tail end of a year (December comes from the Tenth Month). I don't know if they were ever named the Eleventh and Twelfth Months (Undecember and Duodecember?), or what became of that bit of March. Perhaps March 1 was New Year, and the practice of March 25 came from the Christian Annunciation Day (Christmas - 9 months of virgin pregnancy, or for some, the date of the Crucifixion).
July and August were not inserted into the calendar, they were renamed from Quintilis and Sextilis. The numbering was already off back then. The reason that the numbering is off is that March was originally the first month of the Roman calendar.
It's really stupid to change something so embedded in our history just for the sake of begin political correct. I use "oh my God" or "Jesus Christ!" even if I don't believe in that, it doesn't make me a hypocrite or anything, it's just the language I am using, my beliefs are still the same.
It's not about being politically correct. It's about removing religious influences from fields of studies. History is so vulnerable to biases, it's important to keep it as secular as possible whenever possible.
It's 2021 and I have just recently noticed that BC and AD have gone out of fashion. I was able to understand the new lettering because of context but didn't know the "translation". Thanks for the video. Helpful and entertaining
I start saying things more as Human Era. Starting 10 000 BC as year 0. Why? It's the year we humans constructed the first temple. So according to this calendar, we are at the year 12016.
Better yet: use the Big Bang as reference point because then we wouldn't need to count backwards at all. That would mean we are now in the year 13.700.002.017 AB (After Banging). Problem solved.
I just want to point out that historians and archeologists pretty much know for certain that a person named Jesus was born on or very closely around 0 AD. The debate is whether he was what the Bible claims him to be.
I like to think that we're living in 40 PPP, which stands for "Post Pol Pot". As year zero was 1975. The only problem with this dating system is that "Pre Pol Pot" is still abbreviated as PPP. So 10 PPP could either be 1986 _or_ 1964, whereas 50 PPP could only be 1924 ...for now. Metric time is fun too.
I think we need to rewrite the entire English language to prevent being offended, a huge portion of the language's root words come from Greek or Roman mythology, so in order to prevent offending anyone English (as well as any other language with a significant portion of these root words) should be completely rewritten, and everyone should be expected to change systems within one year. -politically correct logic.
I always hate it when there is an enemy invasion during my historic debates.
Hahahahahahhahahahahah
Man, it happened to me last week. We tried to continue our debate, but me and my friend had to fire the machine guns. Eventually we met again and we finished the debate.
That statement resonates more now than ever...
@@agentv1240 no. NOW more than ever
Not if your my History professor whose a Vietnam vet
Agreed, let's change the names of the days of the week, the months, the planets, and the constellations. All VERY offensive to anyone who's not a Greek or Roman pagan.
Such people are scum and deserve to be offended. Hail Zeus!
@@Fridelain no u
@@Fridelain I only pray to Kratos
@@shakurvariawa8315 Understandable, have a great day.
Don't forget Norse
Neil Degrasse Tyson had a great point on this topic on Joe Rogan's podcase.
The catholic church designed the gregorian calendar to solve the problem of the leap year, and they were on the cutting edge of astronomical science at the time. Since they designed the system which works for us, and since they did it scientifically, he respects the names that they used for it, which includes Gregorian and also the BC/AD naming convention.
Really? Because he's wrong. The calendar we use was designed by Julius Caesar and an Egyptian astronomer friend. All the gregorian bit does is include a correction for the leap year, but it isn't anywhere near as dramatic a change as Caesar's original calendar.
@@vacri54 That’s funny, because it turns out that in fact you’re wrong. Julius just reformed the Roman Republican calendar which was previously reformed by Flavius and was itself based on the legendary ten month calendar which was itself based on a prehistoric lunar calendar.
In other words. All knowledge is built on existing knowledge. The Gregorian calendar was an important improvement.
@@vacri54 you're so wrong it's evident you don't know anything about the Julian calendar
NDT is a tv celebrity, fuck off with that dimwitted fuck who has about as much credibility and half the IQ as Faucci the celebrity-doctor.
@@vacri54 not the first time he has been wrong.
Before Cthulhu/After Devastation
Can't be offended if you are banished in a twisted dark oblivion
Haha but but after Cthulu yet to come (2020?). Nope got my copy of The Dark Book Whose Name Cannot Be Spelt Correctly) wink wibk
We our Brother's in the true God my fellow Cultist.
This is a good system, but when is its epoch? 🤔
This is marvellous XD
Im totally gonna use this haha
I always use A.D/B.C in papers at University. I've once been asked about it by a Professor and he seemed to accept my explanation that since A.D/B.C refers to the same as B.C.E/B.C it was more honest to use the one that laid the cultural heritage of the system out in the open instead of imposing a false neutrality.
I like to assign random numbers to each year with no logical system
happy 352, everybody
Happy 935 my good sir
The oldest recorded history was 3200 BC, so we just add 3200 to our year and put that as the starting point as 0. So the current year (2020) is 5220 instead.
However, you still need to be able to reference older dates. Well, the universe was created 13 799 million years ago, add or remove 21 million years. The issue here is that we don't have an exact date. We could simply add 13 799 000 000 to our year 1, and get that our current date is 13799002020, but that just doesn't look right, as we just have prefixed it with 1379900...
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Is that true Roman or Revilutionary France date?
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THANKS
Gregor Made me jump
Invective You're welcome :P
Read your comment right as the video hit 1:59. I was just a tad too slow.
i didnt even know B.C.E and C.E was a thing i always used B.C and A.D !
It's a thing in the sense that "history" is the story of "him" and therefore anti-woman. Illogical academics getting offended by things is a "thing" just happens to be a thing no one should ever care about.
It's a thing that students write in history papers when they're trying to appease a teacher who takes pleasure in playing power games with children, but even most young people I know use BC and AD when talking outside of school unless they're really into social justice
@@gorkyd7912 Are we part of ourstory, or are we merely looking back on the events of theirstory?
@@martineyles real eyes, realise, real lies.
I really like "backwards chronology" and "ascending dates." I like it because it's both a symbol and it gives information about how the system works.
CE / BCE? Oh right, you mean Christian Era and Before Christian Era. Got it.
bluelightningnz yikes.
Christ Existed and Before Christ Existed.
*common
Whoosh...
This is what I thought they meant before someone corrected me XD it's why i didn't understand why anything changed
LindyBeige: It's a problem that doesn't need to be solved!
Also LindyBeige: Solves it anyway
“It doesn’t tick any of the boxes of a politically correct solution as it doesn’t require anyone to change their behavior” Lmfao
IT'S BRILLIANT!
I don't believe in Jesus or God or anything like that, but I still use B.C and A.D (or f.Kr and e.Kr as I'm Swedish). It's just a convenient way of telling dates. If people want to be offended, well that's their problem. If you wanna get offended about B.C and A.D, then you better stop using the names of the days (in addition to the months as mentioned in the video) since they're based on Norse religion. Tuesday is named after Tyr, Wednesday after Odin, Thursday after Thor and Friday after Frigg.
Can't have heathen names in our week, can we? That could offend non-heathens. Seriously, all the political correctness is getting ludicrous.
It's Woden, I am outrageously offended.
We must from now on use the Saxon style names!
All the pointing at political correctness without looking at the history of the terms is getting ludicrous. They're centuries old but you're complaining about them now because you think someone might have a different opinion about their use?
As a Finn I very rarely nowadays see eKr / jKr (your f.Kr / e.Kr), but eaa / jaa (before and after chronology respectively) seem to be the norm. Nobody complains about it.
In portuguese there's no sensible translation for "C.E" and "B.C.E".
We much rather use our rock'n'roll acronyms: "AC/DC".
*****
afaik it came up in academic literature first, in the 19th century and spread since then: Source: History of the use of the CE/BCE abbreviation
Although Jews have their own Hebrew calendar, they often use the Gregorian calendar.[58]
As early as 1825, the abbreviation VE (for Vulgar Era) was in use among Jews to denote years on the Western calendar.[59]
Common Era notation has also been in use for Hebrew lessons for "more than a century".[60] Some Jewish academics were already using the CE and BCE abbreviations by the mid-19th century, such as in 1856, when Rabbi and historian Morris Jacob Raphall used the abbreviation in his book Post-Biblical History of The Jews.[61][62]
The ratio of usage of BCE to BC,[63] CE to AD,[64] Common Era to Anno Domini,[65] and Before Common Era to Before Christ[66] in books has changed dramatically between the years 1800 and 2008, particularly since 1980, with the CE-related variants increasing in usage.
***** In Sweden it's called "Onsdag" which is the day of Odin. So it's very much based on Norse religion here. Obviously Wednesday won't be named after Woden or Odin if you go to for example China, I was merely using a local example I know to make my point.
I am offended by your utter lack of offense!!
Hey isn't your pfp from a flash game about mouses?
Edit: Do you remember the name?
@@ScurvyBoi Transformice. Had this same pic since 2008 o.o
@@grayeaglej
Ah yes transformice, damn the memories.
Also just realized I wrote mouses...
Who gives a fuck, everyone grows up learning BC and AD and it has never caused any confusion even if it is 'archaic' or whatever
ikr
Alex Wales stop coursing follow Jesus repent go to heaven.
Why would you be discussing ancient dates during an a firefight?
Code - in case the enemy is listening. A reference to an historical event .B.C.E. could mean to switch from high explosives to smoke rounds, whereas a reference to an event C.E. could mean to fall back from your current position. An important distinction, I think you'll agree.
Lindybeige if the enemy is listening during a firefight wont the casual discussion arouse suspicion?
paulus phillipos It doesn't matter if they know it's a code, it only matters that they don't know what the code means.
Lindybeige military doesn't use A-B-C for that reason, they use Alpha Bravo Charlie. Words that don't sound alike that way when there are explosions like in your example they don't accidentally hear Bee Eee instead of BC
paulus phillipos Not if you're British.
I am offended by your lack of being offended
+GenBloodLust xD
+GenBloodLust I'm offended that you are offended by his lack of being offended over something that is really non offensive.
+Linkxsc These comments are very triggering
Donkel Doo The Dapper Dog
I'm registering this as a micro-agression. And will be sending a note to youtube staff about how they shouldn't let you insult me so.
+Donkel Doo The Dapper Dog I've always considered poor trigger discipline to be triggering. :)
I love how this turned into a roast of PC culture.
What is PC culture?
@@dikshyasurvi6869 it is when you play on your computer instead of a console
@@dikshyasurvi6869 'Politically Correct" culture.
you know how feminists are roaming your country claiming it is the rape-capital of the world, even though india has one of the lowest rapes-per-capita rates in existence? those feminists spreading false information, is PC culture.
Get off your damn soapbox. The anti "PC" people are way more whiny and thin-skinned.
@@cooperross9495 sounds like someone's thin skinned lmao, u played urself
I used to think
BC = Before Christ
AD = After Death.
I used to think that, too. But it doesn't make sense, you see. Because Christ was born 0 AD. So, if "AD" stood for "After Death", then the year Christ was born would also be the year Christ died. Instead, "AD" stands for "Anus Dominus", which means "In the year of our Lord".
John Stuart Yeah I know and by the way It's Anno Domini not Anus lol.
Before Cock & Anus Destroyed?
Well, there are two options. Free thinking was never a thing since your thoughts are always pushed in directions by others, OR free thinking has always been a thing since no one will punish you from thinking stuff. The way you meant it i'm sure pagan gods had the same effect...
I'm pretty sure it goes from December 31st 1 BC to January 1st 1 AD. There is no year 0
nobody is offended by use of AD and BC. I agree that if it isn't broken, don't fix it!
Besides, did anything else significant happen in 1 AD?
PATRICK SMITH Modern books were invented, lions went extinct in western Europe, the first Chinese census, Augustus Caesar established the Roman Empire, and the Western Han dynasty ended with the death of Emperor Ai.
PATRICK SMITH Jesus Christ was born.
Ian Swart er yes.... that's what I was getting at....
Christ wasn't actually born in 1AD. 6-4BC is a more likely possibility.
Ian Swart toahordika6 is right. its unlikely that jesus was born 1 ad.
BC and AD now mean Backward Chronology and Ascending Dates. Perfect and brilliant!
This would actually help me how this things work.
I'm a pretty ardent atheist and about as anti religious as one can get and I literally couldn't care less. You can even say bless you when someone sneezes. There are real problems in the world. I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone ever saying they care about this. Does anyone care?
There will always be someone, somewhere who gets offended :(
That's why they need to be ignored.
Okay but don't chase them away. I really want to know. Does anyone really care if someone says B.C. instead of B.C.E.?
Oh, and Princess Peach, it won't let me restore your comment. She, (I assume it's a she) she says "Same.". Couldn't be less spam.
Atheists aren't the ones likely to be offended by BC/AD. It's more historians from other religions like Judaism. Fun fact: "Common era" was used as early as the 18th century and was used by Jewish historians in the 19th century.
So this is hardly a new debate.
XBlueM0ndayX
Judaism? So, judaism specifically, or you just felt like listing judaism as an example? :V
Atheists, it is fine for us to acknowledge that religion has and does still exist. Refusing to talk about it and bending over backward to disregard it is silly and willfully ignorant. Trying to dissect Western culture to remove every trace of Christianity would be a waste of energy that could be used for more productive things.
+Nathan C.
the turn point of the fall of western civilization.multicultural socialist would do anything to denies their own culture,destroying religion,destroy family,private property,and opens a free gateaway for communist socialism
"the most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their own history" George Orwell
Michael Jason Seibert Blah blah, communism, blah blah, something George Orwell said. You sound like a loon, I may agree with some of that mess but it's hard to tell.
Nathan C. its okay if you don't believe it.
Michael Jason Seibert I might if I could READ it. Your grammar is terrible.
Nathan C. whats wrong with bad grammar
Ah yes, the Common Era. The Era that is Common. The Name chosen specifically for the Era... That started around the... Event.
Even if one isn't Christian, Jesus is probably one of the most influential figures in western history anyway. His (approximate) birth date makes as much sense as a starting point as any other event.
You missed the more obvious reason for the change: book sales. when you convert from one system to another, you must reprint texts, and thus, sell new texts. sales carry far more weight than PC ideology
Also think about all the books that can be made about this non-issue!
I've never understood BCE. You're right it doesn't even fix this imaginary problem. I wonder why the BCE crowd doesn't advocate for a different calendar year altogether? That would at least make some sense. If you used one of the older calendars like the Chinese or Jewish, we could get rid of a lot of these backwards counting dates.
Why would we do that though? This works. If it ain't broke, don't fix
@@AverageAlien I don't know that you do want to do that. But I can see at least some advantage in minimizing negative years starting the calendar at the dawn of recorded history. The Jewish and Chinese calendars go back much further.
French already tried to change the calendar. It didn't work.
Always French ¬¬
The French tried lots of things....
Thankfully
Did they try to go decimal?
here's a good compromise
let's use the Roman Year
First we'll have to reinstate consulships and give each of the previous 2000 odd years a pair of consuls and get everybody to memorise all their names... But it certainly will be less of a pain that having to nominally admit that Christianity was a thing
So it's the Nones of Junius in the 3rd year of Trumpius pussyGrabbus
How is that not offensive towards the Gauls?
Nah, just use ab urbe condita
It is the year 2774 A.U.C.
Love this. I will always use BC/AD as they are perfectly fine and I like words that have "deeper roots" or more to it because then they always have nifty little fun facts attached to them, such as the calendar names mentioned. CE/BCE feel kind of sterile meaning-wise to me.
Not even sterile, merely whitewashed.
This!
If anything the years should change to be negative numbers or positive numbers
But it really doesn't need to change
You could always add 10,000 to the current year like Kurgzegat (or however they spell their name on youtube) pushed for in a recent video and have the whole thing just be the "Human Era" without the pesky bce, ad, bc, ce naming conventions causing mild annoyances among people.
thenecromorpher kurzgesagt, just in case someone wants to subscribe to that awesome channel :)
thenecromorpher Kurzesagt point was that years b.c. seem less relevant than years a.d. and that reasoning is stupid Imo, because I have never felt like a date 5000 b.c. being less important than 500 a.d. That's like saying that negative numbers are less iportant than positive numbers in mathematics which is absurd
Kurzgesagt's point was to make it so that all of human history is on a linear path forward from the closest 0 mark we could scientifically find and see the overall progression of how far humanity has come. Not that it's completely useless.
Schrödinger's Rage!!
You're both angered and indifferent until you open the box and ask which they meant.
This deserves to be the most liked
Here's a good one, why seven days in a week? "And on the seventh day God ..." arrrrrrghhhh!
No-one gets outraged over Roman gods and leaders being used for months - similarly, no-one gets outraged over Norse gods being used for four of the days of the week (Tiw's Day [War and Law], Woden's Day [aka Odin], Thunar's Day [aka Thor], Freyja's Day [Odin's wife]), plus another Roman god (Saturn's Day) and celestial entities (Sun day, Moon day) for variety.
Or that one of the key mechanisms to Christianity's spread was repurposing existing festivals (e.g. spring, harvest, winter)...
+mittfh psst buddy..Odin's wife is named Frigg, whose realm is marriage and protection..Freya is a different goddess, whose realm is sensual love, and she is married to Od (yes, who is not Odin, youve got it :)
mittfh
True. When Christianity is no more, there'll be no reason to be worried about the calendar.
You'd be quite surprised about the actuality of all of those.
Taxtro
Christianity's growing my dude, only place it's declining in is the western world.
My thoughts exactly LOL
Who's watching this in 2017 Anno Domini?
Anno Domini
+jarlfenrir Yeah, that.
rrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I'm watching this in 12,017 H.E.
EDIT: It was pointed out that C.E. aught to be H.E.
I don't get why such random date in human existance should start a "Human Era".
Lindy said: "We don't know if Christ even existed at all." From a historian, I'm disappointed. Christ did exist, and that's the current consensus.
I always thought B.C. stood for before counting...
HAWXLEADER 😂😂😂
Naw, it stands for Backwards Counting :P
Thought A.D. was "After Death".
I take it you gents are 'murican
Reminds me of the Atheist who refuse to buy ACOG scopes because of the bible quote on the side of it.
rather un-atheist like to reject what is basically the best mid range scope ever made just because of some (to them) meaningless words on the side.
The word is "theist". "Un-atheist" is very similar to saying "not not theist", which just sounds silly. I'm guessing that, if he was American, he would have been paying by card.
Atheist is derived from anti-theist, which means against theism or theists.
iamihop So when greeks said just an A, they meant without...aham...you got this from wikipedia, right?
+Máté Kovács No its roots, like how -ia means disease or -ium means element
PlayStyleArcade Foreword and ferrum, aurum, argentum, etc...
I'm from the future and I'm here to say it has only gotten worse.
Even as an Atheist, I usually read CE as ‘Christ exists’ and BCE as ‘before Christ exists’
An even simpler way of saying dates : Caesar was killed in Minus 44, we live in Plus 2015.
+scarfacemperor YES!
+scarfacemperor The problem is that there is no year zero. Subtracting minus 44 from plus 2015 gives 2059 but Caesar was assassinated 2058 years (and 8 months) ago. You could stick zero in but then all the BC dates have to be adjusted (1 BC becoming 0, 2 BC becoming -1, ... 44 BC becoming -43, etc.).
jimpozcaner mathematically that's the same problem as the current notation
***** True, but at least we're not using mathematically incorrect terminology (just deficient terminology).
+scarfacemperor it is not mathematically accurate to simply use negatives, because the ZERO YEAR is missing in our stupid calendar.
CE is used by Christianophobes (The word 'Christianophobic' is a synonym for 'Went to University'.
I personally love the fact that two thousand years later, we still name the months after Roman Gods & Emperors.
The problem today is people are just politically correct. I say I do prefer BC and AD. I just hate BCE and CE.
I forgot to mentioned that in college, especially in the US, professors have very strong liberal views, and spew liberal lectures. If you write a thesis that opposed their view, they give you a low mark. So it's not about being academic when using BCE and CE, its just plain old political correctness.
CODomingo So people who are trained to do research have "very strong liberal views". Maybe ponder a bit about that. Your talking about "spewing liberal lectures" unmasks you as the unwashed ideologue, I'm afraid....
That always bothers me of people viewing an ideologue in a negative manner. So what? I like saying Merry Christmas, or policeman. I have a very strong conservative views when it comes to social issues.
CODomingo And very antidemocratic ones to boot. But I am sure you'll see yourself as an advocate of freedom - the freedom of everyone to share your opinion, because if they don't, they "spew lectures" whereas you, of course, merely articulate your opinion. Saying Merry Christmas or policeman has precious little to do with conservativism, but then, so do your opinions. An actual conservative has way more style and manners than to take the notion that someone dares disagree with him as a reason to insult them. You are just a right wing thug.
I just use the phrase "spew lecture" and you are calling me a right wing thug? Who's insulting who here? I'm going to end this conversation before it escalate into a flame war.
these people also use goodbye, a contraction of ‘God be with you/ye’
Watching this video in 2017 and found it to be comedy gold! loved every minute not only because if the interesting historical facts, but also because of how offensively sensible he sounds. This video should be shown on every screen in america, when everyone inevitably agrees that the topic is a non-issue, we can examine what other current issues share a remarkable similarity.
Thanks for this video. I'm an English teacher in Germany and got a terrible shock when I read C.E. and felt embarrassed that I didn't know what it meant. I'm so fed up of political correctness. Please don't call me Ms.!!!!
Vera Shelton I completely agree. Political correctness is beyond a joke. How did common sense become a poor second to over-sensitive prejudice.
Let's just use Stardates instead.
Then someone will inevitably ask, "Is Stardate 5296.45 "Before Kirk" or "After Picard" (BK or AP)?" and you'll get a whole 'nother philosophical argument.
Sean Wilkinson Nerd.
jk
That's kind of like the year system from Star Wars with BBY (before the Battle of Yavin) and ABY (after the Battle of Yavin).
I've been using a similar calendar, based off of the radiation of humanity across earth. I've been using this calendar for the past 32,000 years. Then all of a sudden these past few thousand years everyone has to make up their own and ignore mine. All that aside, I would rather live After Picard.
The stardates was a defined system with Picard, Kirk just used random numbers.
BC/AD and CE/BCE are silly. Real men use linux time. In milliseconds. History would get a lot more accurate if we would use milliseconds!
But then you can't express any time after 2038 b.c.! What would science fiction writers do?
foobar201
By 2038 I'll be dead so I don't care.
I'm confused, I thought it was 0329014.M3...
foobar201 They'd just have to only write boring science fiction ofcourse!
E. A. Deasar
Is that a W40K reference?
B.C.E. = Before Christian Era
C.E. = Christian Era
:)
And yes, this video is brilliant!
+georgedebleu I would actually respect the movement more if that was what it stood for.
+georgedebleu Amazing comeback.
+georgedebleu Except that Christianity wasn't around until after Jesus' death, so the dates would be off compared to the other dating methods.
+Soviet Bear The "Christian Era" is considered to have begun with the birth of Christ. As result, it would use the existing dates with no change needed.
In Sweden we just say "Before/after christ". Easy as that.
Well, there bis no after Christ, is there? He was only ever dead for 2 days and still lives.
@@wclark3196 By "after christ" we mean "After the birth of christ". The phrase "Efter Jesu födelse" is also used to describe something past the year 0, and it literally means "After Jesus' birth".
Same here in Brazil, everytime we hear someone saying common era or the likes he's going to get some weird looks and be corrected to say before and after christ
@@saoirse4976 Indeed! How dare they assert their independence from ancient superstitions and imaginary magical men.
@@wclark3196 like lindy said, might as well make up new names for the months because they are named after roman gods and change the starting point of the calendar, making a mess out of everything forever because all of the literature would be outdated and create generational clashes between those who prefer it the way it's been for a thousand years and those who want to wash out any influence from any culture in the calendar
watching this video in 2019. " i cant imagine someone would be offendet" :D cant breath from laughing
How dare you make fun of those who are respirationally challenged!
June 2020. You ain't seen nuthin' yet, Mr/Ms 2019.
@@paulvsmith good old times =)
2020: even more ironic!!
2020 now and I can’t breathe from the Rona but yes, quite whimsical.
I just started writing out "Year of our Lord" instead of A.D. or C.E.
In my county (which is 80% catholic, although decreasing rapidly) AC and DC (BC and AD translated) are still used everywhere and this problem is non existant
Danny RLM I'm in a religious country as well and we use "before our era" and "of our era". noone sees any problems
its A.D and B.C, not AC and DC. also AC and DC ín themselves are not used that much in electronical calculations AND who would put year dates in them anyway
Wealthy Pepsi No, becaise that is AC and CC
Mel Gibson People in Spain? Antes de Cristo and Despues de Cristo
In Swedish, we have f.Kr. and e.Kr. (before Christ, after Christ), and the f.v.t. and e.v.t. was created meaning "before Western era", "after Western era" alternatively being "our" instead of "Western".
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it", is an absolutely *awful* maxim. Horse and carriage wasn't broken, gas lamps weren't broken, and yet I imagine nobody here would disagree when I say that creating the internal combustion engine for use in automobiles, or inventing electric lightbulbs, was most definitely a good idea.
That said, I do agree that C.E. and B.C.E are unnecessarily awkward and too similar, and there's nothing really wrong with A.D. and B.C. I even like the idea of renaming them so that they stand for something different. Not sure I like your specific idea, though. I think I prefer "Before Current" for BC. Not sure what AD should be, though.
Small side note, most historians do tend to agree that Jesus was a historical figure that lived around the time Christians say he lived. It's only a matter of the whole "was the son of god" thing that needs to be corrected (oh and also he was probably born at some point around July, not in December).
well there are a lot of things broken with carriages and gas lamps. Example, the horse can't run for days with out rest, the lack of rest broke the horse. so people made things like cars to fix the issue with the horse (tho i don't believe the horses endurance was really considered a problem when the car was introduced) anyway you should also consider the fact that the car is an alternative to the horse, not a replacement. There are situations where horses are still used and preferred over cars, same with gas lamps
Like all maxims, you shouldn't follow it to the extreme. The maxim is more a rule-of-thumb that reminds you that in general, you shouldn't try to find another solution to a problem that has already a good solution.
In this case, if someone would come up with a really superior calender, sure, adopt that one. But just renaming elements to avoid insulting extremely sensitive people (if they exist) isn't productive.
I like to point out that the spitfire was an excellent plane throughout world war two because it's makers did not follow that maxim
I had no idea that CE and BCE even existed.
And if BC/AD annoys people because of what the letters stand for, they should be equally annoyed knowing that even if we change the letters, the year zero was still chosen to be year zero for christian reasons.
I am just waiting for the next politically correct person to suggest we start a new count. Like, right NOW. This year is from now on year 1 (because starting with 0 seems ridiculous - this is the first year, thus now is year 1).
AND IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH ME I WILL BE OFFENDED!
SweGunner71 I don't actually see why anyone should be offended with that use. My only problem with it is it's rather unscientific and the human body of knowledge is supposed to be secular. But oh well, it still works well in communication.
Ceasius exactly so. Changing what you call something does not change what it is.
SweGunner71 But of course there is no year zero so I have to disagree with you and you have to be offended now because you CAPITALIZED it.
I AM SO OFFENDED! OUTRAGEOUS (IS THERE NO WAY TO MAKE CAPS EVEN MORE CAPPY TO INDICATE HOW EXTREMELY OFFENDED I AM NOW!!!!!!! (USING MANY EXCLAMATIONMARKS MAY DO THE TRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
"Moral high ground"
General Kenobi wants to know your location
psh, dont call me PC, im the new generation, im P.C.E.!
Polite Cat Okay Polite Cat Era
I never knew what A.D. stood for and I couldn't care less. All I cared was the ability to convey an exact date to another person
When I write out a check I put 12/21/20 for example.
It's never been a problem.
I'm addicted to Lindybeige content. I love it all. It would be great to get more sociopolitical commentary like this, but then we run the risk of loosing the whole channel to the mob.
If we're gonna get rid of all the religious names for things, we need to take an axe to the names of the days of the week. Thor'sday must go!
I was just thinking about Thorsday but you beat me to it!
***** Sun, Moon, Tyr, Woden (Odin), Thor, Frida, Saturn. All the day names are gods' names.
Onesday, Twosday, Threesday, Foursday....
So you could have a Twosday, Triober 24, 2014 A.D. (ascending dates)
As an ancient Norseman, I am incredibly offended that you would suggest such a thing.
Starting with current Monday:
Mopeday, Tireday, Whyday, Hopeday, Freeday, Sitday, Lastday
Now you don't have to change the letters! Except for Lastday but it overlapped with Sitday anyway.
This guy is the best kind of atheist, IMO. It seems like if I met him in person and told him I'm a Christian he would say "Ok, that's fine" and the conversation would move on instead of him overreacting like some militant atheists or SJWs will do.
They're even using C.E. and B.C.E. on University Challenge now. For shame...
When I run a role playing game, I'm the Game Mistress :D
You know that there are some guys who would pay to be in that game, just to say "Yes, Mistress." :D
Hem...well. But what's the link with the video? :/
superstrudel
Lindybeige joked that DM and GM were sexist.
ShieldWife
Ooops, sorry, I missed that :D
Random Passerby *puts on fake college aged female personality*
HOW DARE YOU?!?! How dare you speak to a woman! That is sexist! *throws in a few more "ists" and "isms" to try sounding smart*
*removes fake college aged female personality*
NOTE: I understand that most feminists are equal, but I have seen SOME that have acted the way I just pretended to.
If we don't change the name of Thursday, I'm gonna have the biggest hissy fit anyone has ever seen : )
What would you have it be? Turdas?
@@IndigoGollum
In keeping with my sarcasm, C4.
Short for common day four.
7:23 WOW! I can't believe that *I* am gonna correct *you* ahah
July and August weren't actually _created_ for Julius and Augustus, just renamed: their names were Quintilis and Sextilis ("fifth" and "sixth"). These months were named from the supposed fifth to the supposed tenth (even being the seventh and the twelfth) because the roman calendar started the first day of March and ended the last day of February (that's why the leap day is added in February).
Thanks, I didn't know that, but it makes sense. So September is called the seventh month because the first one was not January, but March...
Yes. Actually, to be fair, the Roman calendar changed various times during the Kingdom and the first phases of the Republic (started with ten months, new ones added, then even switched some random months), but the "definitive" one is the one I described: from March to February, with those months called from the fifth to the tenth.
Only then happened what I said, to honorate Julius and Augustus (in fact one of those two months was 30 days long and, not to disrespect one of those men, they also changed the duration of some months to make them both "long").
Why don't we change Thursday to common day 4? Or C4?
If we're gonna be cry babies, we should be consistent.
+Joe Giuffre
People who aren't good at math will be offended.
Actually, there are many languages that do indeed just number out the days of the week, and it is not always a newly invented convention. These languages include Mandarin Chinese, Lithuanian, Latvian, and most Slavic languages do for Tuesday, Thursday, Friday.
2712animefreak Well we should get on board with that.
purpleanex According to the Bible, the Sabbath or Saturday is the last day of the week which marks Sunday as the first day of the week for many Jewish and Christian faiths, while many countries regard Monday as the first day of the week.
Can't go by the Bible, that makes people sad.
C.E./B.C.E. is just silly.
It still refers to Christ as the zero point, but pretends not to do it by not having something christian in its terms. What happened between 1 BCE and 1 CE that allows to place that marker there? And what does "common" era even mean?
I say we stick with your first oppinion.
''Dont fix it if its not broken''
Being politically correct in the most *insignificant* ways seems to be really in vogue lately (by lately I mean last decade or so). Being PC has always had its lure to the morally righteous but they used to weigh in on controversial topics and tut-tut at people's way of living life.
Now they're running around trying to get this and that changed in history, media, art (well they always did that, I suppose), games. I'm not sure if its a mentality as old as humanity or some new growing force of people without enough real problems in their life...
***** I really like your comment, there really is a neo-Victorian vibe to a lot of this.
I'd also argue some of these people are Authoritarians and exalt in removing theirs and others freedoms, history and logic to a higher (human) being, sacrificing sense so feelings aren't hurt.
Ha! This.
KKlawm As a Confucianist, I think this political correctness stains the... good... name of authoritarianism!
G96Saber With what I've read on wikipedia -- 'loyalty does not mean subservience to authority'. And on authoritarianism the definition is 'Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by absolute or blind obedience to authority'.
Confucianism seems to me to be the *respect* of authority with the understanding that you and they have reciprocal interests for prosperity -- as a parent figure who cares for you, and you for them.
Confucius himself left the employee of Duke Ding (again -> wikipedia, you'd know more) when he was disappointed by the Duke's hedonism.
Authoritarianism is complete unquestioning rule under a regime. Different thing in my opinion.
KKlawm Well, there is kind of a sliding scale between 'Authoritarianism' and 'Libertarianism'. All governments, by their very nature, are to some point authoritarian, which is by no means a bad thing.
On the Libertarian-Authoritarian scale, Confucianism is closer toward Authoritarianism than most mainline western politics (damn Thatcher, sometimes). That's why I said as I did.
Doesn't it offend anyone that Thursday is named after Thor? Since it literally means Thor's Day.
Yeah, me nether.
Monday is moon-day
Sunday is Sun-day (go figure)
Moonday, Tyrsday, Wotansday, Thorsday, Friasday, Saturnsday, Sunday.
I learned B.C. and A.D. playing Civilization 1 back in the early 90's, and if BC/AD is good enough for Sid Meier it's good enough for me !
I count my years starting with 1991 when I first played "Civilization". Ever since then computer gaming has been like a temple/ church to me.
Agreed 100%, in Italy we usually say before christ-after christ(anno domini is nowadays mainly used by the church) , and yes nobody gets offended, it's just a convention
In America many people actually believe A.D. means "After Death (of Jesus) which makes no sense because what about the 30 something years Jesus allegedly lived in between?
+Octavio Brokchaves
Then the current year "after death" sould be around 1986... yea, the US have always been a bit behind ;)
i live in Germany and during english lessons i think our teacher told us that a.d. meant After Demise :D
There's no sugar coating it, your teacher was simply wrong
Someone told me it means After Century & Before Decade >_
MrArthoz AC-BD.....? Did that person ride the short bus?
+Benedict Cumonyourback-tch During my childhood we don't have google...so we had to ask people for answers....worst source for reference.
Common mistake, a lot of Americans think that too, which of course makes no sense, because that implies a roughly-35 year period with no dates. But American Christians generally don't like to think, so whatever, works for them.
Kurzgesagt uses the "Human Calendar" which starts aprox. at the beginning of human civilization, so 2020 is 12020. I really like this one because it acknowledges the 10,000 years of culture before Christianity and its not a very big change.
Having very large numbers is not very helpful especially archaelogically where it would introduce problems to dating. Why should dates that are unheard of and undocumented be relevant? Useless system, with a bad reference point that could vary a span of thousands of years. To me that seems to be some sort of weird pandering to everyone
@Hussein Abbas 1 more number
it's still less characters than 2020 AD
@@gordonfreemanthesemendemon1805 you don’t usually have to right AD. You only Generally have to right BC on less your talking about time periods near 0. Bc/Ad is much better ones Dyslexia. It’s much to understand in a spoken. It also much easier to abbreviate. These are small few things has to why. Kurgzhtuss system sucks no offense to him in other things.
I just use the Holocene calendar. Mainly because I love saying Julius Caesar died on the Ides of March 9957 HE, but its also because I don't like how human history is split like that it's A. confusing and B. I prefer to look back on human history and see all of it in one continuous ascending date. But I still use the Gregorian Calendar as a reference because not everyone uses it and are often puzzled by my choice of date.
Cuman of Cumania interesting
Quite.
Aren't you just adding 1 to the front of the Gregorian calendar, so it really doesn't do anything accept disguise it a bit?
The Holocene calendar starts a few thousand years before the gregorian calendar, starting close to when the earliest known human structure was built (I say close because the calendar was introduced a while before the structure's discovery), I can't remember the structure itself but it was discovered in Turkey last year I think. The calendar us meant to just put Human History in a simple ascending timeline, which helps put things in perspective for some people (including me). Also the BC/BCE conversion is pretty confusing at first :D
It still just adds 1 to the beginning of the Gregorian calendar, as we don't know what year the Gobekli Tepe was built in. Ultimately, you still have the same calendar, which still divides human history. After all, humanity existed for thousands of years before the Gobekli Tepe was built, and even produced art during the time, yet the Holocene calendar still cuts them off.
I love how this turned from a solution to a textbook and communication issue into a PC Roast.
i was brought up with AD and BC and i refuse to acknowledge any other nomenclature ..i don't care if any one is offended, in fact if they are I like that more!
Right?
Nobody complains about Thursday : )
BACKWARDS CHRONOLOGY / ASCENDING DATES!!! Wahooooo!
I am offended by a.m. and p.m. but B.C./A.D. doesnt bother me at all
Allura Ambrose same here. I prefer a 24hr clock.
Why are you offended by ante meridiem and post meridiem? It really just means before middle of day, and after middle of day.
@@carultch Because it can cause confusion when people don't specify.
Thanks for actually discussing this. As an alternative history researcher, I've ran into this more often than most. As soon as I say B.C. some people assume that I'm either going to talk about a Christian topic or that I am one. I have no problems with people believing in a particular faith but when it comes to the discussion of history, it isn't a matter of faith, it's a matter of facts and how those facts help us understand the past. To that end, the terms Before Christ and Anno Domini were first theorized by a monk (who, by the way, was censured by his superior and almost kicked out of the church for doing), leaving no surprise as to why they are as such. People who take offense really are, unfortunately, showing how little they know or appropriate about our history.
I like how I didn't even know ce and bce where even a thing before this video. That likely goes to prove how pointless they are. Also I greatly approve of the mockery against political correct people who just do it for themselves.
I was the same, I had only seen BCE before and assumed it just meant before christ existed.
4:21 Lindy, there was no year nought! 1 BCE was followed by 1 CE! I'm outraged!
That was my first thought when he said "agreed zero point"; there was no 'zero' point.
Lloyd giving a lecture during a mortar attack sounds like the most Lindybeige thing I could possibly imagine.
Who's watching this in 2017 the year of our lord?
Not me. I'm watching in the 2019th Year of our Lord. :)
The correct way is actually “the year of our lord 2019” or AD 2019
I'm watching in 2021. We (most of us) survived!
Democracy is expected to make a full recovery.
No. July and August did NOT shove September etc along by two months. The months of July and August had always been there. It's just that before they were re-named to satisfy various egos they were known as Quintilis and Sextilis - the Fifth and Sixth Months.
No, the real reason is that way back when the Roman calendar began with March. It is January and February that are the "extra" months.
I was looking for this
January and February (and at least part of March) were the tail end of a year (December comes from the Tenth Month). I don't know if they were ever named the Eleventh and Twelfth Months (Undecember and Duodecember?), or what became of that bit of March. Perhaps March 1 was New Year, and the practice of March 25 came from the Christian Annunciation Day (Christmas - 9 months of virgin pregnancy, or for some, the date of the Crucifixion).
In computer... a extra character for nothing... it a pain in the ass
They're the same system it's just annoying to rename them
BC/AD
Before Cyberpunk / After Disappointment
Lol
July and August were not inserted into the calendar, they were renamed from Quintilis and Sextilis. The numbering was already off back then. The reason that the numbering is off is that March was originally the first month of the Roman calendar.
It's really stupid to change something so embedded in our history just for the sake of begin political correct. I use "oh my God" or "Jesus Christ!" even if I don't believe in that, it doesn't make me a hypocrite or anything, it's just the language I am using, my beliefs are still the same.
It's not about being politically correct. It's about removing religious influences from fields of studies. History is so vulnerable to biases, it's important to keep it as secular as possible whenever possible.
N. B. I'm sticking with B.C. and A.D.
O.K.
It's 2021 and I have just recently noticed that BC and AD have gone out of fashion. I was able to understand the new lettering because of context but didn't know the "translation". Thanks for the video. Helpful and entertaining
I start saying things more as Human Era. Starting 10 000 BC as year 0.
Why? It's the year we humans constructed the first temple.
So according to this calendar, we are at the year 12016.
Dude we aren't in 12016 anymore its 12017
Better yet: use the Big Bang as reference point because then we wouldn't need to count backwards at all. That would mean we are now in the year 13.700.002.017 AB (After Banging).
Problem solved.
Drops2cents "after banging" that sounds so perverted. haha
+Mike Fluff And then someone finds and even older site of human of civilization so what are you going to do then ?
Fankas2000 the oldest building isn't 12017 years old. they'd need to change the date completely but they only added 10 000 years for convenience sake
I just want to point out that historians and archeologists pretty much know for certain that a person named Jesus was born on or very closely around 0 AD. The debate is whether he was what the Bible claims him to be.
But I'm not sure why there's a debate over why it's 2021.
@Faceless Ai
The OP probably doesn't have an ancient Hebrew keyboard. : )
I don't either.
In English Iēsous is pronounced Jesus.
@Faceless Ai
That name comes from the Hebrew Bible but Jesus (or however his mom pronounced it) wasn't in that.
@Faceless Ai
That's right.
They called it the Torah.
Because there was no New Testament at that time.
Kinda like WWI.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is a terrible maxim
2:02 When you're trying to get a history lesson in the middle of a battle.
I like to think that we're living in 40 PPP, which stands for "Post Pol Pot". As year zero was 1975. The only problem with this dating system is that "Pre Pol Pot" is still abbreviated as PPP. So 10 PPP could either be 1986 _or_ 1964, whereas 50 PPP could only be 1924 ...for now.
Metric time is fun too.
ravenslaves BPP - before pol pot
The only annoying thing is the fact that the chronological order is swapped in the two pairs in the title...
I think we need to rewrite the entire English language to prevent being offended, a huge portion of the language's root words come from Greek or Roman mythology, so in order to prevent offending anyone English (as well as any other language with a significant portion of these root words) should be completely rewritten, and everyone should be expected to change systems within one year. -politically correct logic.