The scene where Benson accidentally stepped on a bug and then Dave says he has to step on a baby in return made me laugh so hard. Dave was way funnier and less annoying this season.
It like they listened to the complaints and pull back on Dave. Plus I like how he even came to the realization that yea he got a point for his story. And he was mad when kipo was trying to run out on him. When I saw that I was like whoa he really serious this time. He was like you are going to listen to my story even if I have to land in your ear and hold on!
@@Sean-wv7wl That was never in question And it makes sense since we have yet to see anything from countries outside America (or even outside the zone in the show, don’t know geography) but since there has been nothing from outside we can guess the entire world might be much the same as this place is What surprises me is the specifically K-pop survived and seemingly nothing else from Asia has in any way reached this place, which seems weird yet plausible since the only reason K-pop got here is because of the singers who happens to be fish (narwhal?)
@@Sean-wv7wl Well then that’s a thing It seems I don’t know biology either But it seems like they could continue this show with stories in other places if the world maybe with one or two of them revealing what caused this mutate apocalypse, who knows
What really broke me into tears was how he was at peace with himself at the end, to the point that he wanted his loved ones to remember him as Hugo, a name he had despised for so long, but he could now accept as his own.
In my opinion I don't think Emilia's back story is supposed to make us sympathetic to her. It is supposed to make us understand where her actions stem from, yes, but not be sympathetic for those actions. I think that is why she is given a brother. They both had the same upbringing and from what we see the brother arguably has the brunt of the "mean dad trope" put onto him. Emilia and her brother are supposed to contrast each other in how they react to the surface and mutes. The brother gives them a chance and tries to open Emilia to the idea of a different future and Emilia instead decides to double down on her beliefs instead of questioning them. The brother shows how accepting change can help start more change when the rats say they want to make Ratland a safe zone for mutes and humans while Emilia shows how rejecting change can lead to more problems with inciting more unwarranted hate in others. Basically we see where she comes from but we don't have to be sympathetic to where she comes from because she didn't have to be that way, she chose to.
Yeah I think it was good addition. I was glad to have an irredeemable character that we still get to understand the whys. It also showed how far she was willing to go.
Honest I thought her backstory was to make her look more ruthless and I was glad. Because there’s been a trend of redeeming villains who really don’t need to be redeemed and I was happy that Emilia stayed a bitch the whole time. Hugo’s redemption arc was sweet.
Her dad was definitely meant to come off as mean & while yes, also probably abusive, it didn't feel like a bid for sympathy to me either. She never once shows any doubt or conflict with her fathers ideals so it felt like it was meant to be an explanation as to where she got her fanatic conviction.
I still can't get over how emilia literally SHOT her own brother with a crossbow. In a kids show. Even my mom was like what the Frick? Sorry I just wanted say that somewhere.
I found it good that they didn't censured death like they usually do. This isn't for toddlers, obviously, but I think that kids need to be introduced to the horror human kind is capable of so that they can prevent it. It's only knowing how terrible, sad and mean an act like that is that we can provent it in hope to build a better future ! We tend to forget that children are intelligent beings just like us and instead of hiding them the truth and making them live in a cotton candy world, we show them the real world as it is, letting them build their own opinion and making them want to make it better ! The chances that kids would become violent because of that are slim because those acts are litteraly despicted. A healthy human is not mean by choice and are usually going to want to make the decision they think are good. I think this scenario can happen if we teach them that being mean or violent is cool. This can happen if we show them too dark adult shows that don't always be explicite on how wrong it is because it's usually for adults who already have the required knowledge of wrong and right. This is why Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts is a masterpiece on this point : It shows them the wrong but teach them about HOW it is wrong at the same time. This is really important and the way they made it as cold as it is make it real enough for them to relate it to the real world.
Scarlemange's death made me cry. I knew it was coming but man did his goodbye's hit me. He knew it was coming too, and he didn't care about being dramatic. He only cared about saving his family. And then I cried again seeing Kipo talking to his grave. I guess Scarlemange just makes me cry
I think the point is that she had the same upbringing as Liam. Then unlike him she chose not to challenge her own worldview. Basically saying that it's a choice to be either a prick or cool and any ideology after that is dress up?
@@fabianhebestreit3240 That's obviously not my point. One, he's a reviewer, not a writer. Not all reviewers understand storytelling. Hell, I'm an author and there are still parts of writing a book that I'm learning and refining (mostly refining). Two, not every reviewer reviews the same way or the same content. I watch SC because I like his humor, personality, and voice and speaking mannerisms. I can't just go to some other reviewer and expect an experience I'm going to like. I've watched several reviews of Gravity Falls episodes and half of them were shit. Hundreds of reviewers existing doesn't mean anything and you should know that. Don't watch SC if you don't want to but your reasons for doing so aren't very good ones.
I know. Personally, I feel like his redemption was just a little rushed. I would have loved to have seen him in the time skip. Alive, and being a model citizen. It may seem a little boring, but more satisfying than what we got. I will say this though, his redemption and death was waaaay better than Shadow Weaver's.
True ! I cried so much for his death. I would have loved to see his future with his family, that would have been so nice. I felt that, if they wanted a character to die, they should have killed Dr Emilia. She didn't deserve to live, which is harsh, I know. But she would have never changed. She didn't deserve a second chance. Scarlemagne did change, and he did deserve a second chance, so he shouldn't have died. I don't want another season, or even a movie, because I'd miss Scarlemagne a lot. He was one of my favourite characters 😢😢😢 It won't be the same
@@kadlinsnowwolf1806 I get what you mean but SW wasn't exactly redeemed. But yeah, Scarlemagne should've lived, even if only for a few years after (like maybe the accident left him with some life-threatening injury).
@@kadlinsnowwolf1806 Shadow Weaver was not redeemed though. Even in her sacrifice, she was being selfish. She never changed and never had to face any consequence for her actions; she just decided to do the least she could for Adora and Catra: to let them live. And she stayed on character with that "You're welcome" line, being the awful person she is, but at least she saved them. That doesn't redeem her because she never changed.
I agree his whole “cause of death” was dumb and the scene was a BIT poorly executed but all in all, it makes sense for him to die in the end If someone had to, it’s poetic that it was the mute who spent over a decade keeping the world from being as it should be
You didn't mention Wolf! I really like how she embraced being Kipo's sister, and finally letting go of the pain her old family caused her. Wolf is my favorite character from Kipo- and she even ditches the cowl too
I wish they could’ve shown more Margot & Wolf interaction, especially after she & her brother got ‘cured’. It would’ve bin interesting 2 c Wolf’s reaction 2 her former sister’s fate & whether or not she made peace with her. If you’re going 2 bring back someone a main character has beef with - go ALL the way!
I was actually really suprised that they didn't back down on the characters getting "cured". I was positive that they would turn back at the end of the show but they didn't and I gotta respect that choice made by the creators
I’m thinking it going to take years cuz we still don’t know what caused everything in the first place. Look like it happened fast in Dave backstory so we know it an accident of some kind. The cure was easy cuz they been studying and trying to reverse everything for years it seems like. They mutated Hugo but who knows which one finally did it. They tested a lot on him.
I DONT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING HOW COME WHEN EMILIA GOT THE MEGA WALRUS DNA SHE DIDN'T CREATE A CURE AGAINST KIPO INSTEAD OF TURNING HERSELF INTO A MUTE?!?!
I love how this show tackled about diversity and “never ending conflict between two sides”. I also glad that they didn’t kill *Karen* but torture her with Gus (I saw her detail fate in Rad’s tweets... that’s gruesome)
6:42 I think the point is to show that even if bigoted views are not inherent and passed down, her actions are still her fault and responsibility, especially when given the choice to reject it. If she keeps rejecting the option for peace and acceptance, then she will sink, anchor-less. Hence why it took her a few minutes to lose her self in her Mute form when Song could stay conscious for 13 years, and why her Mute form looked scared and ended up cowering near her old burrow, showing Emilia in her pathetic glory, unanchored because she eliminated any way to embrace her own humanity.
Man, introvert isn't the opposite of overly optimistic tho. I'm introverted but I identify heavily with the overly optimistic characters in these shows.
There's relating to overly optimistic characters, and there's those characters "changing" the world without it making much sense. If a character can remain optimistic even if the world does it's very best to bring them down, then that's to be admired, but when the world literally bends to enable their worldview, then that's just hair tearingly annoying. For example, there's this anime called Arc-V (the 5th yugioh series). It revolves using the game to conquer several dimensions in an interdimensional war (because go figure, you can easily giant monsters that can level buildings with it). Worlds have been ravaged, and people have been turned into cards (which is the pg version of dying). Yuya Sakaki, the main character, loves the game and thinks EVERYONE should enjoy the game and ONLY play the game because it's enjoyable. He doesn't like how the evil bad guys use the game. So what does he do to change the people he's fighting against and those near him, that have suffered because of this war? Poultry street magic with it....I am not even kidding. Oh, this family has been traumatized by seeing their city destroyed and loved ones turned into cards? Sparkle some pretty lights in front of their faces, and BOOM, they love the game and all is good in the war torn world for them. Those evil bad guys take vicious, sadistic pleasure in carding people? One duel later and those people realize "carding people is baaaaaad" and switch sides at the snap of a finger. Your vengeance filled allies go on their vindictive one man crusade against the evil bad guys because they've lost friends, family, significant others and they've seen it happen? Third verse same as the second ("carding people is baaaaaaad"). And his worldview if barely challenged, if at all. He'll always do his "this card game is fun and should always only be played in good fun" schtick and will always be made to be right in the end. I didn't say "will always be right", but "will always be MADE to be right". Because him being right in those circumstances makes no effing sense! Or, if it's too convoluted to understand, just take Steven f*cking Universe and how it takes literally one discussion to make the diamonds, literal space dictators that committed hundreds of genocides and destroyed countless worlds throughout EONS, turn good
*this is gonna be me going into a rant and long tangent that doesn't really relate to my point that much, so feel free to ignore it, but I just have to get this off my chest* But nooooooo, we're supposed to hate Rose Quartz because of the bad things SHE did as a diamond, because abusing her servant pearl (of which I BET was only retconned from white diamond to pink diamond just so we're given another reason to hate Rose Quartz) and being a bad friend to a gem with an overbearing personality is MUCH worse than being terraforming space dictators. We're supposed to hate Rose Quartz for turning into a Rose Quartz and causing the Rose Quartzes to be persecuted and bubbled.....even though it was the other diamonds in the first place that began and enforced said persecution. Sure, let's be mad at Rose Quartz for bubbling one of her gem allies....that wanted to mass produce weapons that specifically destroy gems and wouldn't compromise in that regard. Sure, let's hate and make the villain the one person that realized how beautiful Earth and organic life can be, that what the diamonds do is messed up and started a rebellion against them in order to protect Earth. It's not like if she didn't do all that Earth would just be another colony and all live on the planet would be gone....oh wait. Sure, let's ignore the diamonds carpet bombing the entire planet and turning the remaining gems into vicious monsters with their ray of light, yellow diamond shattering gems and turning them into chimeras, with the creation of the cluster being her greatest atrocity, white diamond mind controlling their population, and them, once again, being space dictators and conquerors! It's Rose Quartz we should hate, right guys? IT'S ROSE QUARTZ WE SHOULD HATE!
@@floricel_112 Okay just gonna jump in here and agree that SU is a show that’s messy as all hell. I love it, and think it’s still good and valuable cause of its best episodes, but it was indeed a very rushed plot disaster. That being said, I’m pretty sure Volleyball being Rose’s wasn’t a recon? She was always Pink’s, the audience just assumed she was White’s until the reveal that Pink had anger issues and fucked up her pearl in a fit of rage. Pink’s fits we’re something long talked about and shown before we met Volleyball so that at least didn’t come out of nowhere. And yeah idk fam, Rose was in fact a shitty person even if her family sucked. She was horribly selfish, didn’t consider how her actions affected others, ran from problems she created instead of facing the consequences, and I don’t really see a problem with the show pointing all of that out? Her family sucked and created her issues, but she was still well and truly unlikable if we’re judging her purely on her actions and her impact on the universe in the show.
@@floricel_112 Oh I should also mention that I don’t like the diamonds. I don’t like Rose, but I also don’t like the diamonds. Even up till the end of the show when they were trying to “change” they still had incredibly selfish/attention seeking traits that were damaging to Steven. I don’t think they had a complete change of heart instantly, but the show really should’ve gone through and developed that fact instead of leaving them out to dry with a “mission complete cause they’re good now” stamp on their heads. It all just became a sad example of bad writing, because the crew bit off more than they could chew. They wanted to tell everyone’s story so bad that they neglected the main plot and characters to focus on incredibly minor ones. If it was written tighter with a more planned approach, the show could’ve been excellent🤧
@@_indigo_inked it's alright, I don't like the diamonds either. But with Rose Quartz I feel sorry for her as a character in a story because it feels like she's a victim of bad writing, more so than the other diamonds
Yeah, I don’t want any hate from this but honestly felt Scarlamange’s was more satisfying to watch than Catra’s in my opinion. Sucks that he died since I wished he and Kipo could have bond more as siblings, and he and Wolf made a pretty good duo for the time.
The only thing I would complain about is what Margot went through and didn’t have much time or a chance to redeem herself. Only to be cured after the next episode. She definitely deserved better.
Agreed! The parents didn’t deserve a second chance from Wolf, but she was just a small child doing what her parents told her to do. It’s perfectly understandable for Wolf to still be angry, but re-introducing her, only to have her be “cured” and then tossed aside never to be mentioned again felt like such a waste. At very least it would have been nice for Wolf to find out what happened to her so she had time to process and react to the fact that the person who she used to consider a sister who betrayed her is gone forever now.
Personally I would have wrote it if Amelia’s brother would have turned into Fun Gus somehow being that the parasite was where she lived and where his brother would be, and some irony of how her brother and her are reconnected
Apparently , the series creator wrote a tweet that Fun Gus is torturing emilia by impersonating her brother while she's trapped with him . *FOREVER FRIENDS*
I also felt that Scarlamagne’s death was totally unnecessary! In my mind he wasn’t 100% redeemed yet. He apologized, but he didn’t do anything other than the sacrifice to prove he’d changed. It would’ve been better to see him in the future happy with lio and song and kipo, that he’d found a place in the world.
I had two big problems with the season, the big one also being Scarlemagne's death. Given how they framed Kipo 'talking' to him in the epilogue timeskip I'd hazard a guess the writers heard advice about endings being more memorable if it's bittersweet and our boy drew the short straw and got a rushed and forced demise as a result. It really did feel like his story had more to it but they just stopped it cold and killed him for no reason. The other thing that really bothered me was during prom with Kipo's insistence of giving Emilia complete autonomy with zero preparations or oversight just in case she comes around and tries to murd- i mean cure everyone there like she's completely expected to do. Like extending an olive branch is one thing but Kipo basically poured gasoline onto the tree and just waited to see if anyone would light it on fire or not.
I completely agree with you on how badly handled hugos death was and how utterly pointless the vaccine was. Kipo constantly giving amelia more chances would have actually made some sort of sense if there had been a way to revert the "cured" mutes, instead those mutes, as far as what weve been shown by the series, are basically dead.
*Me, before watching season 3:* I hope Hugo has more moments where he acts like a big brother to Kipo :) *Me, during the final battle:* Not like that :(
Emilia was a bigot who has been ingrained with hate but never had any reasoning behind it beyond what's been instilled in her. Hody Jones in One Piece is similar. He was ingrained with a hatred for humans by fishmen who had suffered at the hands of humans, but never experienced it himself and does things those who instilled those values would even hate him for, because they are the kind who will kill their own people for betraying their us or them mentality. Killing her brother was what cemented her as a bigot who could never be reasoned with no matter what Kipo could do.
Yeah. Killing scarlamange was a bad move. Like. You're gonna give him a full redemption arc without him sacrificing himself to be better, then just kill him off? No mam. Not cool. Not tugging at my heart strings. Just makes me mad.
Ok but can we talk about Dave? Cus he honestly became my favorite character in season 3. I mean the MING MING MING and the boxes for cats was literally the funniest joke in the series imo and when we got to the point of how he met Benson was so sweet and cute and then that little tease where we think he's gonna share what the one thing it is that can kill him and then he's like nope, made that mistake before! And oml the part where Benson steps on a bug and Dave is like now we have to find a tiny human to squash and Bensons just like.... "Like- like a baby? But that's a baby!" and Dave is like "...yes." and thats the funniest thing omg I loved Dave in this season.
ngl I kinda want more seasons even though I know this is a good place to end, not saying I want like 10 seasons but this show and the characters have such a charm to them! No matter what I always found myself enjoying every minute, I hope Netflix and the team reconsider and do a side show of mini adventures for each episode or something, ANYTHING!!
or just a different story in the same universe that nods to the original.I have a intresting idea. Maybe some human/mutant is living in a active war-zone and has enough of it. Then he/she hears the rumor about a ,,pink jaguar brought peace in los-santos'' and decides to go there. In the meantime some characters join the protagonist. The catch would be that everyone is like Wolf but more insane. So the team would constantly fight, argue and play dirty on etch other. The antagonistic force in that spin-off would be a wild mega-mutant driven to hunt them down wy starvation. So the objective is to get to the city, before the team gets eaten or the team turn on themseles
6:30 The thing that kinda bugged me about this story is that Kipo's parents tell her to her face"Kipo, she murdered her own brother just because she didn't want to be wrong." And how did Kipo respond? "Nah, you guys are wrong. She can still change, because if one person can't change, then nobody can." I know that's not exactly what she said, that's pretty much the gist of what she stated. It really frustrates me that she didn't really learn the lesson of "some people can't/don't want to change." It was really "all-or-nothing" for Kipo when it came to change.
Yeah that’s also made me more frustrated with Kipo this season out of the two seasons. Her optimistic nature was more overwhelming than Season two cause at least she learned the harsh lesson that there are some people who don’t change so easily and there are times where diplomacy just doesn’t work so well all the time. Kipo’s The power of Friendship felt so over the top to me in this season.
Season 3's quality was definitely not as high as the first two, but dang I enjoyed it so much. It still was a amazing season. There are so many good scenes from start to finish, it makes me more hopeful about future children's entertainment. Scarlamange's death did seem like an overstep, but the way he yelled, "Leave my sister alone!!" will be one of my favorite cartoon scenes of all time. I would have loved to watch a short/side series of Kipo and Scarlamange grow up as siblings along side with their friends (them finally having that family life they missed out on). Their sincere interaction from season 2 and 3 really took my heart away.
I especially loved that the final answer to Amelia totally was _"Sometimes violence is totally the answer."_ She was not redeemable, and the show was not shy about it. It says, no, you don't have to forgive your abuser, and it's not your responsibility to fix them. Sometimes you just have to accept they're bad people and let a sentient fungus eat them. Also the Margot storyline was totally dropped just as hard as the Vaccine plot, but what's w/e.
(Sorry for responding so late, I just found the show) Honestly, I hated that they just left Emilia to Fun Gus. Kipo had to learn while fighting Scarlamagne that sometimes you need to use violence to protect people, but she never gave up on trying to help him. I wish she had done the same with Emilia. What's the difference between the two of them? Just because Emilia did something worse in her past means she doesn't deserve the chance that Kipo gave Scarlamagne? I don't mind her not being redeemed, but Kipo just leaving it at that upset me.
@@KevinACarroll1996 I get where you're coming from, but Emilia's "unredeemability" comes not from having done any one thing, it was her unwillingness to _be_ redeemed. Redemption is a complicated subject, but I think they tackled it fairly well in Kipo. Hugo's redemption didn't magically come when he sacrificed himself, it was the little things, over and over, that meant that he was no longer Charlemagne. It took his ultimate defeat and being brought to his lowest point to get started, but he did accept the hand given to him. Emilia...did not accept that hand. She was brought to her lowest point, saved by Kipo from her own hubris, and she still tried to literally stab Kipo in the back. The lesson being that, yes, some people are redeemable, even after some pretty horrible actions. Other people are not. It's not up to _us_ to redeem, but to _them_ to accept the burden of the redemption process.
@@seantheimp But Scarlemagne refused Kipo's hand too, even at his lowest moment. It took a while after Scarlemagne had been defeated to even begin becoming a better person. I just think the ending would have benefited if the epilogue had shown Kipo working with Emilia in a cell similar to how she worked with Scarlemagne. What I liked about Kipo up until then is that she never truly gave up on people, so seeing her just leave Emilia to be tortured by Fun Gus (not to mention she should still try to befriend Fun Gus himself, a child all alone in the world) just seemed so out of character. Sorry, I just really liked that the message for most of the show seemed to be to never give up on people, even if you have to fight them. I have my own personal reasons for that and I'm just thinking about have a few more scenes in the epilogue could have solved my issues with it. Otherwise, it's one of the most impactful shows I've watched in a while.
@@KevinACarroll1996 Hm, you have a point about Hugo taking time that Emilia wasn't given... But I think there's still something to be said for the idea of levels of redeemability. A lot of shows give a blanket "friendship trumps all", that reality is exactly like Kipo wishes it to be. So, I think I kinda take back what I said earlier a bit: what the crime is does matter somewhat, but it's contextual. Scarlemagne was _unmistakably_ a monster. He killed out of rage and grief, filling a hole left by trauma. When given a chance to open up, though... He kinda did, even at the height of his power. His actions were still fueled by that trauma, and just as monstrous, but with twisted sense that he _was_ opening up to new ideas. Of course this was literally asking Kipo to gild her own father. So yeah, twisted af. But that was the beginning of his redemption arc. He was pulled through it kicking and screaming, but he did respond positively at all stages. Emilia's story is something else entirely. Hugo never got a choice. He was shaped by trauma and betrayal, and where he ended up was awful, but he took responsibility for it(even if that was stolen by his admittedly rather poorly conceived death scene). He showed a capacity for love for someone he thought he hated even in the throes of insanity(again, still, a twisted love). His time in the cage was lashing out in anger for his pain, though, not for hate. Emilia's entire story was _about_ her choices. Yes, she was shaped by...if not trauma per-se, then at _least_ a toxic environment growing up. One that informed an ideology which she internalized, and at *every single chance* she defended that ideology. One that dehumanized others, led her to lobotomize others as a form of genocide, and overrode her own love for her brother in favor of continuing the cycle of hate. When given the chance for peace, she sabotaged it. When given acceptance by the people she persecuted, her life saved, she literally grabbed a shard of glass and tried to stab Kipo in the back. I know redemption is nice, and Kipo _is_ correct that it's the right thing to do, every time, to extend a hand instead of a fist. But sometimes the other guy is a literal Nazi, and good faith is just going to get you burned. Some people are unrepentant abusers and manipulators, and giving them access to their victims in the name of harmony is exactly what they want. Maybe it's a kind of mental illness that can be treated(Hugo did get over his hate), and our first instinct should be to try to heal, not harm. But sometimes you have to accept that trying for perfect will just result in more people getting hurt. For me, that's Kipo's final message. She keeps her attitude, but doesn't try to save Amelia because she's realized that she's not worth the harm trying to save her may bring. As an aside, I think Fun Gus more represents a force of nature than a lonely child. Even Mulholland thought he was trying to do the right thing when he was introduced, while Gus lives in a world dominated by a single thought. He doesn't even see his playthings as people, and the second they try to show their own will he turns violent. Keeping him from _digesting_ anyone trying to change him would be a feat. Even with all that, the show doesn't seem to consider redeeming him more for expediency than in connection with any message.
@@seantheimp I think my issue is that for personal reasons and because I grew up watching Superman the Animated Series (great show, I recommend it if you haven't seen it), I like to think that nobody is irredeemable and that people should always be given opportunities to change. The reason I bring up Superman is that I've noticed similarities between the two in that they both have the power to destroy any of their enemies quite easily, but because of that power the messages of the story is that you should try to help others rather than simply defeat them. I like that Kipo had to learn that sometimes you have to fight and friendship will not always save the day instead of a single, simple message of "being nice all the time will make the world a better place" or "there's good and evil so you should just beat up the evil people". It showed that some situations are more complicated and require more work. As far as Emilia's redeem-ability vs Hugo's, it's certainly subjective, but I would personally consider Emilia more redeemable. Her goals were to make the surface safe for humans, unlike Hugo who was lashing out because of selfish, emotional reasons (although I guess that speaks more about me as a person). Most of their actions were about the same, even Hugo tried to kill an entire arena of innocent people when he was defeated, whereas Emilia just tried to fight Kipo, about the only real threat to her. Emilia killing her brother was horrible and something she would have to confront if she was ever to be redeemed, since she did it for the cause of helping humanity and would now have to admit that nothing good came of it and she killed him for nothing. That would be a very difficult hurdle, but it's something I could see Kipo working with Emilia to help her through it. For your paragraph using Nazi's and saying they are unrepentant, that's kind of the message Kipo had to learn in season 2 against Hugo. She had to learn that sometimes you have to fight your enemy instead of simply making peace with them. But once Hugo couldn't hurt anyone else, she worked with him to get him to open up and become a better person. I'm not saying everyone can do this, but I think the opportunity should be there and they should have someone who tries to help them even if they don't want it, because who are we to say someone doesn't deserve to become a better person, or will never become a better person? But as you said, Fun Gus seems to represent a force of nature rather than an actual child, so that probably explains so much. Why the audience isn't really supposed to feel bad about him, why Emilia's fate seems so final, kind of like she fell to her death, just a bit more PG (although the gang's reaction to that is a little messed up if it was meant to be a stand in for Emilia dying). But since his character is a sentient fungus with the mental age of a child, it just seems so wrong to leave him alone like that. Even if he won't die, think of the issues a child would have from being alone all their life with no one to teach them morals and kindness. Sure, he's super powerful and a danger to anyone who would try to help him, because a simple temper tantrum that any normal child would have could kill the person trying to help, but that's kind of the issue with giving young children super powers I guess. (Also, I just want to say thank you for coming back to this comment section after months to discuss this with me. I know we're taking different sides of an argument, but I appreciate having someone to talk to about this show since I found it months after it ended.)
the worst thing about the cure and anti-cure story was that at the end we see the villain makes the anti-cure and USES IT. We see her transform and destroy stuff even beating kipo. Then the show forgets their villain made the anti-cure and shows all the mutants still unchanged and after that, we see kipos family hanging out chilling. I thought the whole point of making an anti-cure was to save our dear mutant characters, but in the end it was never made... Except it was and nobody thought to check the villains lab, probably destroyed it too! heck, for the longest time in the season was the whole "lets make everyone our friends" even going so far as to try and make the villain a good guy like our dear monkey king. But they up and did her dirty by showing her inner thoughts of fear, scared, and more emotion when her mega beast form ran away from battle. When kipo cures the villain shes like "why" then she up an tries to kill her and then gets *Sparta kicked* into our fwendly mossy boi for all eternity! This show is awesome but I feel like the ending wasn't handled very well. Heck we never got to see wolfs reaction to her wolf sisters transformation Gah! Sorry, this show ended on a bad note for me but clearly different for everyone else, don't let this ruin the show all opinions are different.
I don't consider Amelia to have made the anti cure because it was a megas blood it turned her into the same type of mega it probably wouldn't work on a normal animal if they're different species but maybe if they took blood sample from existing mites of the same species like lumber cats to make a anti cure for yum yang would have been possible but it probably wouldn't work if you used that same anti cure on the rat or wolf Margo they would probably need separate cures
@@pookybear6137 true but as you said they could use amelia's anti-cure with different blood samples from the mutant animals to cure the rest of the animals. it'd take a lot of work but thats the point isn't it? Otherwise kipos mom wouldn't have taken as long as she did. So even if Amelia didn't make the anti-cure, she sure did lay the foundations for it
@@ravenclawthestral3964 yes, the intended purpose for the anti-cure was to turn herself into a mega beast. I am saying they could easily modify the anti-cure to each individual mute who got turned saving them.
I feel like if this season has more episodes, possibly another season, to work with we’d see more balanced progression of both mutes and humans. Also I’d bet they wouldn’t drop the vaccine storyline like they did. I mean we were led to believe it would reverse the process and then the “5 years later” epilogue showed that never happened. Also, we would’ve hopefully gotten more hype for Amelia as a villain because compared to the 2 seasons-worth of buildup to Scarlamane, she fails as a villain for a reason.
@@chaoticlittlecat Thing is she doesnt look punk at all. She looks like a emo Mall Rat from the early 2000s. Basically, Kipo is trying to look like something from an outsiders perspective which kinda fits her character, but it could of looked a lot better..
Not gonna lie. Hugo/Scarlamane got some really got moments this season. Also, alot more characters could have been saved if they used tree bark as armor like Kipo did.
I think they ended it at the perfect point honestly! I loved seeing the links to the other seasons and getting backstory and all. Definitely more of a chill, slightly less non-stop season but personally I think that makes sense. The surface is calming down and so is the constant battles. I think it was a really good end to the show! And you CANNOT beat the soundtrack. Got me bopping every time
@@samdude1526 I mean they sometimes have it so loud it drowns out SFX and fells more like a chase scene in Classic Scooby Doo. It was a common complaint in S1 but they got better in S2. in the few action scenes in S3, the overbearing music felt more noticeable than S2 but only because it felt the least action packed out of the three seasons.
I Think The Point Of Amelias Back story Was More To Show That She Won't Change You See So Many Redeemed Villains These Days (Hordak, Catra, Lillith, Gideon) So They're Showing That This Isn't A Redemption
I didn't cry with Hugo's death either. I love his character and thought something like that would make me tear up, but it didn't. The whole scene just looked...off. To be honest I felt way more emotional when Yumyan was de-muted.
I was so confused - she killed her brother was just thrown in out of nowhere and didn't really add anything except that she wasn't going to change her ways if she went to THAT extreme. My exact thoughts on Scarlamane(?)'s death. The music is so good. Keep Up The Good Work~!
Honestly, I’m kind of content with how Hugo’s life ended. Obviously, I wish he could have survived, but his life ended in the most beautiful way. He had finally learned that what he did was wrong, he started to feel a connection to Song and Lio again, and one of the last things he said was, ‘Leave my sister alone’. He finally fully accepted the family who wanted him, and he died by protecting them with all he had. He even had a statue made in his honor. So, it was a bittersweet end, but a great one. At least, that is my personal opinion.
I see many people upset about how cured mutes didn't got reverted back to what they originally were, along with people who think that killing Hugo was a bad idea. Nobody who goes to war makes it back to home without changes. War can make really deep scars and irreparable damages. Even though it's a cartoon, we always defend that it shouldn't be all childish just because of that. What's done is done, and we must embrace that change whether we like it or not. Even though Scarlemagne/Hugo's great redemption arc and his sudden death, we should not see his end as a waste nor a bad move. It was the maximum expression of his evolution, since he gave even his life to save Kipo, and therefore, to save humans. It's the best proof of his growth as a character, and we must respect it and understand it. Props to this beautiful show.
I wish kipo was longer, it did well for a show for 30 episodes (I think), but so much more could be done with the story and world. I feel like Amelia wasn’t the best villain, I liked scarlamane/Hugo better but I’m glad they choose to give him redemption.
The point about Amelia's flashback wasn't to make her more likable or forgivable or anything. It was to make her more human, more relatable, and therefore more frightening. It was also to nail home the idea that Kipo won't be able to talk her down like she did with all the other antagonists in the show. Before, she was just an evil doctor. We knew she wanted to get rid of the mutes, but we kind of assumed Kipo would pull some Kipo speech and make her see that mutes and humans could coexist. The backstory, then, puts Amelia in a situation many of us can relate to (bringing the audience closer to her, which in turn makes us uncomfortable with the idea that someone we relate to can go so bad), then shows us how easily and willingly Amelia was able to go to an extreme for a cause that, so far, we had only ever been *told* she was serious about; not shown. It's kind of like going, "hey, see, this person had a family, insecurities, loved ones, friends, and all that other stuff just like you! And guess what? She killed her brother in pursuit of her goal." It's really to cement her as a villain, not redeem her.
I loved Kipo as a whole, but can we start moving away from messages for animated shows besides "prejudice"? I know prejudice is a real thing and it keeps getting worse even today, but at times it feels like every message in animated shows is the same old "why can't different people just understand each other??"
I think its because its something that affecting the real world so much today. It's like how during war times, everyday things for citizens contained some sort of propaganda. Shows featuring prejudice and how to move past them is what the world needs right now. Especially since prejudice is something that affect so many lives negatively today. Racism, homophobia, sexism, religions clashing...
I really didn't like Dave's fan story; I don't think it works that well with the current context. I know the metaphor of a fan is supposed to be petty, and I can respect that, but I don't think it clicks that much. Mostly because even if we amplify the metaphor, the mutes and the humans are literally fighting for their survival, while the Daves and the fan fanatics were fighting over something they could survive without and they just so happened to start killing each other. Plus, in the end, Benson and Dave ditch the fan alltogether. Also, I find the pacing excruciating and the diaologue between Benson and Dave not on point. I liked that the show tackled the cycle of violence, but I think it could have been better executed.
Wow, someone who agrees with me. Amazing. I felt like it was totally fine as a silly "obviously made up" and exaggerated Dave Story, but it took me out of it as soon as they asked me to take it at face value that armies of people and Daves would sacrifice their lives in the post apocalypse over a tiny electric fan. On point metaphors aside. Overall I thought the season was amazing, but this was the only part I found lacking so it sticks out like a sore thumb by consequence.
I'm pretty sure the point of the vaccine subplot is that it was an overly optimistic plan that didn't pan out. It was a neat idea on paper, that it would be a perfect solution. However, sometimes seemingly good ideas just don't work out like you want.
I love season 3. I'm so glad Kipo got a good ending that was satisfying, made logical sense, was enjoyable to watch, and emotional, but in a good way. *Glares at Voltron* You have no excuse now.
I thought the season was good but it seems like Benson and Dave are constantly getting pushed further into the background with each season. Kipo is the main focus and Wolf has an entire story arc that goes for each season, but Benson and Dave basically does nothing till it’s time for a backstory that’s from Dave’s perspective only. Also they set up things that could’ve been perfect foreshadowing that never happened such as Mulholland saying “now I have a part of me with you”. I assumed Kipo would lose her mute dna and he would restore it with the tiny bit he had. Or Dave casually dropping he can actually die forever, I thought he would sacrifice himself for Benson and there would actually be a loss to the main 4. Instead they made Kipo immune and non of the other characters (in the main cast) had any real steaks in this. Lastly the songs in the final 2 episodes felt alittle out of place (not all but some). Again this season was good but those few problems didn’t make it great for me in my opinion.
Hugo is my favorite character too! When he gone, I felt very shock. I think the same thing like you, he make me think that he going to stay at the end, but he didn’t.😢
I do wish we were given more backstory and depth on Emilia, and I kinda wish Scarlemenge's sacrifice and death were done a bith differently, but overall, I think it turned out well. Perhaps if this was two seasons ten episodes each we could have gotten an improved story.
I really love this show, I love the characters, the story, the artstyle and the music. I think Scarlemagne has a great redemption arc and it think it's awesome that the show really takes it's time to get him there. The thing that I don't like ist that it's only 10 episodes and only 3 seasons. Not only do I want to see more Kipo, but I also think that sometimes it rushes through things and sidelines Charakters I would have liked to see more of, like Jamack or Song. The second thing that felt off to me, was the final fight, between two Mega Mutes. For me the big moment was just before when the Humans help to protect the Mutes from the cure. After that it was just two Mega Mutes throwing punches and getting the cure dart, but it didn't felt like there was anything at stake, Mutes and Humans are friends, everybody was in safty, Emila was struggling. And after the fight the cured her from her mind prision and she immediately feld into Fun Gus and ist trapped in a mind prison again... Acually in the 9th episode I was expecting that Scarlemagne and Wolf would team up for the 4th season and would become a 3rd force, having similar goals to Kipo, but willing to use much more violence to reach that goal and Kipo also would have to deal with them. I think that would have been awesome.
This is a great review. I agree with pretty much all of your points. I agree that Hugo was probably the most compelling character, but his death came out of left field. I was pretty disappointed with how they forced it in there. Also, I was honestly kind of disappointed that dave didn't have control of his metamorphosis. It seemed like he was starting to get a better grasp on it in season 2 and I thought we were gonna see more of him actually getting to use his strong stage. Also, I feel like the animation was in a decline from season 1, tbh. There are several animation errors that I caught, and issues with the models. You can even see one in this video at 13:31. Watch the woman in the background going up the stairs. I will say I loved how they handled the message of violence. Like, it's not often you get such a lighthearted show actually say that sometimes violence in self-defense is necessary, but that it isn't a solution. That's a much more real-life applicable lesson than violence is never the solution. I also liked that they didn't redeem amelia. I thought that she made a nice foil for Hugo in that regard, showing that people can find redemption if they're willing to accept their faults and work towards change. I wish they could have had four seasons because I think the story in this last season would have really benefitted from being able to make the mutes more nuanced as you said. It takes time for a population to change its thoughts, so I think having more time would have been great for that. Or, they could have just cut the vaccine plot. That was honestly pretty disappointing to see it end up going literally nowhere. Overall though, I couldn't agree more that Kipo is one of the best shows of the year, and is a fantastic addition to the Netflix repertoire. It has very few flaws and none that are deal-breaking in any way. I'm sad to see it end, but it was a great ride!
I HATED THE STORY EPISODE! "We were having a petty fight over a fan" is not comparable to "they have a weapon of mass destruction that will essentially allow them to genocide so I am going to destroy their base of operations"!!!!!
okay but fr Jamack is such an underrated character, he deserved sooo much more and had so much potential for the plot. he’s overall a great character and it’s kinda sad to see that he just kinda got put in the background
All of Scaralmange's scenes were a treat, but his death felt cheap as heck. Also I wish we got more info on Wolf, Margot, and the pelt. But I loved the message about the cycle of violence and how it doesn't solve the problem
Sure, Charlemagne was a jerk the first 2 seasons, but i swear to god he warmed up to me in the 3rd season. the finale, when he died, i swear to god i got hit in the feels so damn hard
The Troy x Benson development in season 3 was so needed, the way the slow mo scenes were done in season 2 when they had no connection at all was basically just objectification of gay relationships done in order to make straight people think "oh, it's cute because it's gay". If something is cute just because it's gay, that's not progression, that's objectification and belittling.
I have notice that some of the background characters from Dr. Emilia's burrow are the exact same people from Kipo's burrow. It seems Lio wasn't the only one who moved to that burrow.
Bitter sweet ending. Yumyan getting "cured" was sad to me and so did the newton wolves. But everyone built up a society between mute kind and humans in the end but at a loss of many great characters...
The maddening part of this season is I would have really liked Emilia as a villain, if Scarlemagne wasn’t the one that came before. She’s a good, villain, but Scarlemagne is just so much better. I don’t want Emilia to be just like Scarlemagne, but I wanted her to be as engaging as he is. Then again, a big part of Scarlemagne being great is that the actor playing him is just so much better than every other actor in this show. Also, I love that the actor play Kipo’s actual name is Karen. But, there are 2 characters that I did hate. Both of the treasure squirrels. I can’t fucking stand them. And the writers forget about the vaccine after episode 7.
When I was a kid I had this book series that I loved that had a hate able villain who was evil and murdered several people. And they managed to make her sympathetic but they never redeemed her and that was fine
Basically, almost none of the WC's villains are redeemed. They either end up dead (Tigerstar1, Hawkfrost, Brokenstar, Darktail, Scourge, etc) or exiled and never coming back (Sol, Sleekwhisker), so it's not surprising that Maple never got her redemption
After Steven universe, I became way more skeptical of redemption arcs and what made them good I'm happy Scarlamaine ( is that how you spell it?? IDK) didn't get redeemed right away and that we saw him being moody and resistant to change at first it made the switch feel real...and then they killed him for some reason IDK how I feel about it. I loved this show overall It's morbidly underrated.
This is pretty much exactly how I feel about season 3 too! It was good, but not great, which can be hard to explain especially for the ending of a series. 1 & 2 were definitely better seasons, but this ending isn't bad. It's just... Alright. It does what it needs to. All that really soured it was, as many have explained before, how Scarlemagne / Hugo was just... Thrown away? He didn't even really help in that fight? He was a small distraction, and that's pretty much it. Considering ALL OF THE TIME spent on him as a character, it made no sense. This is the only real 'cop-out' I feel like we've seen in the series, which even with that, I have no idea WHY they would cop-out with it. The writers are obviously fully capable of mixing all of these characters together. Did they just think "naaaahh can't think of Scarlemagne as anything but a dictator / wanting to be a dictator in the long run"? I don't really know what he could have done in the time skip that would feel right, but I can think of a couple things that would have been more fitting than him just dying.
I think that if they'd dropped the vaccine plotline and leaned harder on Song's role as Scarlemagne's mother figure, it'd have been a more interesting use of her character. I would have liked to see Scarlemagne interact with someone he harmed that, literally, didn't do nearly as much to him. It might have inspired some perspective. All in all, I think Kipo would've been well served by having one more season to flesh this whole thing out, but overall it hits all the right beats without being too rushed. And I gotta respect how they just commited to the 'cure' mutes staying cured. Most shows would pull a miracle cure out of their asses. Though I didn't like how they killed Scarlemagne either.
I liked this review a lot, but I think with first point u kinda missed the mark. Humans needed more time to understand and accept mutes in season 3 at least time shown because they had little to no interaction with then and the interactions were mostly negative. Mutes did have positive interactions with humans and not just with kipo in ratland there were probably people who came there and mutes had contact with them. Not to mention that it were people who saved them from being turn into gold statues. Even with that they were mostly reserved and came to the party mostly for the Kipos sake and only after they sing apolagyed what really made them accept humans is the fact that they saved them from being cured. On Amilia I really do think that they explained why she was like that rather then try to give her sympathy. Also Scharlame or Hugo showed that he redeemed himself to the point that he risked he's life for someone and in a way he did showe to everyone that he changed. Amilia had many chances to be better she just didn't take them and Kipo and her friends probably could try to save her from Gus but it was the date she chose.
I wud really want a prequel about this series. Maybe the main character next shud be Benson and Dave (maybe)The timeline Dave was talking about is something I want to see more of.
I loved almost everything. If they replaced the vaccine subplot with a cure for the "cure" we would have had beloved characters return and Song and Leo would still have quality time to spend together
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The scene where Benson accidentally stepped on a bug and then Dave says he has to step on a baby in return made me laugh so hard. Dave was way funnier and less annoying this season.
His story of how he met Benson hit me hard. Too many people fight for stuff that doesn't matter.
Dave was definitely pretty annoying in s1, but man he was awesome in s2 and 3.
It like they listened to the complaints and pull back on Dave. Plus I like how he even came to the realization that yea he got a point for his story. And he was mad when kipo was trying to run out on him. When I saw that I was like whoa he really serious this time. He was like you are going to listen to my story even if I have to land in your ear and hold on!
Agreed!
Same 😂
I am astounded that K-pop of all things survived the apocalypse
That just means that America aren’t the only ones with mute problems in this show
@@Sean-wv7wl
That was never in question
And it makes sense since we have yet to see anything from countries outside America (or even outside the zone in the show, don’t know geography) but since there has been nothing from outside we can guess the entire world might be much the same as this place is
What surprises me is the specifically K-pop survived and seemingly nothing else from Asia has in any way reached this place, which seems weird yet plausible since the only reason K-pop got here is because of the singers who happens to be fish (narwhal?)
@@NoRegs30 ah. My mistake.
Yes the k-pop singers are narwhals(which are mammals)
@@Sean-wv7wl
Well then that’s a thing
It seems I don’t know biology either
But it seems like they could continue this show with stories in other places if the world maybe with one or two of them revealing what caused this mutate apocalypse, who knows
@@NoRegs30 yeah what I questioned the most is how every animal suddenly mutated especially in Dave’s story
I’d like to see a kipo movie in theaters but only and simply because I want to hear the music through those speakers
Would absolutely be worth it
friend: why are looking at this kids movie poster ?
me pretending to not be intrested: i like bright colors.
Big brain
i don't wanna take the wind out of your sails but i think you might need a theater for your idea to work
Coming to theaters 2024.
Never before had I cried over a cartoon mandrill... but there’s a first time for everything, I guess.
I cried too 🙈
true. I was crying for like 20 minutes
What really broke me into tears was how he was at peace with himself at the end, to the point that he wanted his loved ones to remember him as Hugo, a name he had despised for so long, but he could now accept as his own.
Oh god I cried too
I was in tears for 10 minutes straight.
In my opinion I don't think Emilia's back story is supposed to make us sympathetic to her. It is supposed to make us understand where her actions stem from, yes, but not be sympathetic for those actions. I think that is why she is given a brother. They both had the same upbringing and from what we see the brother arguably has the brunt of the "mean dad trope" put onto him. Emilia and her brother are supposed to contrast each other in how they react to the surface and mutes. The brother gives them a chance and tries to open Emilia to the idea of a different future and Emilia instead decides to double down on her beliefs instead of questioning them. The brother shows how accepting change can help start more change when the rats say they want to make Ratland a safe zone for mutes and humans while Emilia shows how rejecting change can lead to more problems with inciting more unwarranted hate in others. Basically we see where she comes from but we don't have to be sympathetic to where she comes from because she didn't have to be that way, she chose to.
Completely agree, it was an excellent character foil.
Yeah I think it was good addition. I was glad to have an irredeemable character that we still get to understand the whys. It also showed how far she was willing to go.
Honest I thought her backstory was to make her look more ruthless and I was glad. Because there’s been a trend of redeeming villains who really don’t need to be redeemed and I was happy that Emilia stayed a bitch the whole time. Hugo’s redemption arc was sweet.
Her dad was definitely meant to come off as mean & while yes, also probably abusive, it didn't feel like a bid for sympathy to me either. She never once shows any doubt or conflict with her fathers ideals so it felt like it was meant to be an explanation as to where she got her fanatic conviction.
Bish kiled her brother😀
Jamack saying the "you need to do some soul searching" that Kipo had told him in the first season was just [chef's kiss]
I still can't get over how emilia literally SHOT her own brother with a crossbow. In a kids show. Even my mom was like what the Frick? Sorry I just wanted say that somewhere.
I honestly thought until the end that she only threatened him and he ran away to start a new life under the name hogh because they looked so similar
@@lottibanane2443 yeah I honestly thought he was hogh be for Emilia killed him
Well, the wolf's wolf skin is actually her mother, so it is not the first "family kill" in the show
Season 3 was pretty dark
I found it good that they didn't censured death like they usually do. This isn't for toddlers, obviously, but I think that kids need to be introduced to the horror human kind is capable of so that they can prevent it. It's only knowing how terrible, sad and mean an act like that is that we can provent it in hope to build a better future !
We tend to forget that children are intelligent beings just like us and instead of hiding them the truth and making them live in a cotton candy world, we show them the real world as it is, letting them build their own opinion and making them want to make it better !
The chances that kids would become violent because of that are slim because those acts are litteraly despicted. A healthy human is not mean by choice and are usually going to want to make the decision they think are good.
I think this scenario can happen if we teach them that being mean or violent is cool. This can happen if we show them too dark adult shows that don't always be explicite on how wrong it is because it's usually for adults who already have the required knowledge of wrong and right.
This is why Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts is a masterpiece on this point : It shows them the wrong but teach them about HOW it is wrong at the same time. This is really important and the way they made it as cold as it is make it real enough for them to relate it to the real world.
Scarlemange's death made me cry. I knew it was coming but man did his goodbye's hit me. He knew it was coming too, and he didn't care about being dramatic. He only cared about saving his family.
And then I cried again seeing Kipo talking to his grave.
I guess Scarlemange just makes me cry
To be honest yes, he was my favorite character and DAMN THAT MAN CAN PLAY
I was SOBBING at Hugo's death! Adopted big brother saved his found family!
I think the point is that she had the same upbringing as Liam. Then unlike him she chose not to challenge her own worldview. Basically saying that it's a choice to be either a prick or cool and any ideology after that is dress up?
Yeah, I don’t know how much I can trust a reviewer who misses such an obvious point.
@@fabianhebestreit3240 One missed point completely discredits a reviewer for you? Okay, I guess.
@@47ratsinahoodie There are hundreds of reviewers on RUclips, so yeah, why waste time with anyone who doesn’t understand the basics the storytelling?
@@fabianhebestreit3240 That's obviously not my point.
One, he's a reviewer, not a writer. Not all reviewers understand storytelling. Hell, I'm an author and there are still parts of writing a book that I'm learning and refining (mostly refining).
Two, not every reviewer reviews the same way or the same content. I watch SC because I like his humor, personality, and voice and speaking mannerisms. I can't just go to some other reviewer and expect an experience I'm going to like. I've watched several reviews of Gravity Falls episodes and half of them were shit. Hundreds of reviewers existing doesn't mean anything and you should know that.
Don't watch SC if you don't want to but your reasons for doing so aren't very good ones.
Yeah, I totally got that vibe, that even if you're raised to be a bigot, you can still learn and change
I feel chated off with the whole Scarlamange's death. He had such a good redempton arc, just for him to die? And not even in a good way.
I know. Personally, I feel like his redemption was just a little rushed. I would have loved to have seen him in the time skip. Alive, and being a model citizen. It may seem a little boring, but more satisfying than what we got. I will say this though, his redemption and death was waaaay better than Shadow Weaver's.
True ! I cried so much for his death. I would have loved to see his future with his family, that would have been so nice. I felt that, if they wanted a character to die, they should have killed Dr Emilia. She didn't deserve to live, which is harsh, I know. But she would have never changed. She didn't deserve a second chance. Scarlemagne did change, and he did deserve a second chance, so he shouldn't have died. I don't want another season, or even a movie, because I'd miss Scarlemagne a lot. He was one of my favourite characters 😢😢😢 It won't be the same
@@kadlinsnowwolf1806 I get what you mean but SW wasn't exactly redeemed. But yeah, Scarlemagne should've lived, even if only for a few years after (like maybe the accident left him with some life-threatening injury).
@@kadlinsnowwolf1806 Shadow Weaver was not redeemed though. Even in her sacrifice, she was being selfish. She never changed and never had to face any consequence for her actions; she just decided to do the least she could for Adora and Catra: to let them live. And she stayed on character with that "You're welcome" line, being the awful person she is, but at least she saved them. That doesn't redeem her because she never changed.
I agree his whole “cause of death” was dumb and the scene was a BIT poorly executed but all in all, it makes sense for him to die in the end
If someone had to, it’s poetic that it was the mute who spent over a decade keeping the world from being as it should be
You didn't mention Wolf! I really like how she embraced being Kipo's sister, and finally letting go of the pain her old family caused her. Wolf is my favorite character from Kipo- and she even ditches the cowl too
Okay but are we going to talk about how all of the seasons came out this year.
When you speed run your series
This is how it feel like to not have a hiatus huh
@@noamotagoveia2363 I mean it was still good
wait what really??
That seems wrong to me, but it HAS been an extremely long year.
I loved how the background characters got more to do this season.
Nice pfp
Hoags daughter was definitely one of my favorite side characters because of the constant Jojo poses she makes.
@@Eg-ej6nx she was, and I loved her relationship with the kpop fish band
I wish they could’ve shown more Margot & Wolf interaction, especially after she & her brother got ‘cured’. It would’ve bin interesting 2 c Wolf’s reaction 2 her former sister’s fate & whether or not she made peace with her.
If you’re going 2 bring back someone a main character has beef with - go ALL the way!
yeah, Margot was pretty interesting to me too!
@@lilopugs7593 Ikr it made me sad when she and her brother got """"""""cured"""""""" like, I really felt they were getting along at the end...
Dear god please use letters it takes no effort to type ‘to’ and ‘one’
@@artemisfowldragon True that.
@@artemisfowldragon You must be fun at parties
I was actually really suprised that they didn't back down on the characters getting "cured". I was positive that they would turn back at the end of the show but they didn't and I gotta respect that choice made by the creators
Did they just like, give up on the vaccine?
I suppose
@@littleone.
Vaccines are pre-emptive, they do not reverse processes.
I’m thinking it going to take years cuz we still don’t know what caused everything in the first place. Look like it happened fast in Dave backstory so we know it an accident of some kind. The cure was easy cuz they been studying and trying to reverse everything for years it seems like. They mutated Hugo but who knows which one finally did it. They tested a lot on him.
I DONT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING HOW COME WHEN EMILIA GOT THE MEGA WALRUS DNA SHE DIDN'T CREATE A CURE AGAINST KIPO INSTEAD OF TURNING HERSELF INTO A MUTE?!?!
I love how this show tackled about diversity and “never ending conflict between two sides”. I also glad that they didn’t kill *Karen* but torture her with Gus (I saw her detail fate in Rad’s tweets... that’s gruesome)
Livvy Jaz honetsly expected for her to starve or get suffocated too but yeah that route’s more cold blooded
what did the tweets say? I do not have it
João Parente Fun Gus takes Emilia back to a tour to her past and impersonates Liam forever.
A forever friend!
@@thescauldron8436 That’s the sweet taste of justice, baby
6:42 I think the point is to show that even if bigoted views are not inherent and passed down, her actions are still her fault and responsibility, especially when given the choice to reject it. If she keeps rejecting the option for peace and acceptance, then she will sink, anchor-less. Hence why it took her a few minutes to lose her self in her Mute form when Song could stay conscious for 13 years, and why her Mute form looked scared and ended up cowering near her old burrow, showing Emilia in her pathetic glory, unanchored because she eliminated any way to embrace her own humanity.
The darkness from her world finally consumed her.
Agreed
Man, introvert isn't the opposite of overly optimistic tho. I'm introverted but I identify heavily with the overly optimistic characters in these shows.
There's relating to overly optimistic characters, and there's those characters "changing" the world without it making much sense. If a character can remain optimistic even if the world does it's very best to bring them down, then that's to be admired, but when the world literally bends to enable their worldview, then that's just hair tearingly annoying. For example, there's this anime called Arc-V (the 5th yugioh series). It revolves using the game to conquer several dimensions in an interdimensional war (because go figure, you can easily giant monsters that can level buildings with it). Worlds have been ravaged, and people have been turned into cards (which is the pg version of dying). Yuya Sakaki, the main character, loves the game and thinks EVERYONE should enjoy the game and ONLY play the game because it's enjoyable. He doesn't like how the evil bad guys use the game. So what does he do to change the people he's fighting against and those near him, that have suffered because of this war? Poultry street magic with it....I am not even kidding. Oh, this family has been traumatized by seeing their city destroyed and loved ones turned into cards? Sparkle some pretty lights in front of their faces, and BOOM, they love the game and all is good in the war torn world for them. Those evil bad guys take vicious, sadistic pleasure in carding people? One duel later and those people realize "carding people is baaaaaad" and switch sides at the snap of a finger. Your vengeance filled allies go on their vindictive one man crusade against the evil bad guys because they've lost friends, family, significant others and they've seen it happen? Third verse same as the second ("carding people is baaaaaaad"). And his worldview if barely challenged, if at all. He'll always do his "this card game is fun and should always only be played in good fun" schtick and will always be made to be right in the end. I didn't say "will always be right", but "will always be MADE to be right". Because him being right in those circumstances makes no effing sense!
Or, if it's too convoluted to understand, just take Steven f*cking Universe and how it takes literally one discussion to make the diamonds, literal space dictators that committed hundreds of genocides and destroyed countless worlds throughout EONS, turn good
*this is gonna be me going into a rant and long tangent that doesn't really relate to my point that much, so feel free to ignore it, but I just have to get this off my chest*
But nooooooo, we're supposed to hate Rose Quartz because of the bad things SHE did as a diamond, because abusing her servant pearl (of which I BET was only retconned from white diamond to pink diamond just so we're given another reason to hate Rose Quartz) and being a bad friend to a gem with an overbearing personality is MUCH worse than being terraforming space dictators. We're supposed to hate Rose Quartz for turning into a Rose Quartz and causing the Rose Quartzes to be persecuted and bubbled.....even though it was the other diamonds in the first place that began and enforced said persecution. Sure, let's be mad at Rose Quartz for bubbling one of her gem allies....that wanted to mass produce weapons that specifically destroy gems and wouldn't compromise in that regard. Sure, let's hate and make the villain the one person that realized how beautiful Earth and organic life can be, that what the diamonds do is messed up and started a rebellion against them in order to protect Earth. It's not like if she didn't do all that Earth would just be another colony and all live on the planet would be gone....oh wait. Sure, let's ignore the diamonds carpet bombing the entire planet and turning the remaining gems into vicious monsters with their ray of light, yellow diamond shattering gems and turning them into chimeras, with the creation of the cluster being her greatest atrocity, white diamond mind controlling their population, and them, once again, being space dictators and conquerors! It's Rose Quartz we should hate, right guys? IT'S ROSE QUARTZ WE SHOULD HATE!
@@floricel_112 Okay just gonna jump in here and agree that SU is a show that’s messy as all hell. I love it, and think it’s still good and valuable cause of its best episodes, but it was indeed a very rushed plot disaster. That being said, I’m pretty sure Volleyball being Rose’s wasn’t a recon? She was always Pink’s, the audience just assumed she was White’s until the reveal that Pink had anger issues and fucked up her pearl in a fit of rage. Pink’s fits we’re something long talked about and shown before we met Volleyball so that at least didn’t come out of nowhere.
And yeah idk fam, Rose was in fact a shitty person even if her family sucked. She was horribly selfish, didn’t consider how her actions affected others, ran from problems she created instead of facing the consequences, and I don’t really see a problem with the show pointing all of that out? Her family sucked and created her issues, but she was still well and truly unlikable if we’re judging her purely on her actions and her impact on the universe in the show.
@@floricel_112 Oh I should also mention that I don’t like the diamonds. I don’t like Rose, but I also don’t like the diamonds. Even up till the end of the show when they were trying to “change” they still had incredibly selfish/attention seeking traits that were damaging to Steven. I don’t think they had a complete change of heart instantly, but the show really should’ve gone through and developed that fact instead of leaving them out to dry with a “mission complete cause they’re good now” stamp on their heads.
It all just became a sad example of bad writing, because the crew bit off more than they could chew. They wanted to tell everyone’s story so bad that they neglected the main plot and characters to focus on incredibly minor ones. If it was written tighter with a more planned approach, the show could’ve been excellent🤧
@@_indigo_inked it's alright, I don't like the diamonds either. But with Rose Quartz I feel sorry for her as a character in a story because it feels like she's a victim of bad writing, more so than the other diamonds
Have to be honest, Scarlemagne/Hugo had the best villain redemption arc since Zuko from Avatar.
Yeah, I don’t want any hate from this but honestly felt Scarlamange’s was more satisfying to watch than Catra’s in my opinion.
Sucks that he died since I wished he and Kipo could have bond more as siblings, and he and Wolf made a pretty good duo for the time.
That and agent Kallus for me
yes
@@toadlord8594 Agree, Scarlamange's was way more satisfaying and well done than Catra's, I still liked both, but Kipo did it better.
Catra: are you sure about that?
The only thing I would complain about is what Margot went through and didn’t have much time or a chance to redeem herself. Only to be cured after the next episode. She definitely deserved better.
Agreed! The parents didn’t deserve a second chance from Wolf, but she was just a small child doing what her parents told her to do. It’s perfectly understandable for Wolf to still be angry, but re-introducing her, only to have her be “cured” and then tossed aside never to be mentioned again felt like such a waste. At very least it would have been nice for Wolf to find out what happened to her so she had time to process and react to the fact that the person who she used to consider a sister who betrayed her is gone forever now.
I liked it. You dont always get to redeem yourself with the people you hurt. Sometimes...you die the bad guy
@@Canonicallycreative not to mention she was a punching bag for the main chara
@@clockwork4255agreed
Personally I would have wrote it if Amelia’s brother would have turned into Fun Gus somehow being that the parasite was where she lived and where his brother would be, and some irony of how her brother and her are reconnected
Apparently , the series creator wrote a tweet that Fun Gus is torturing emilia by impersonating her brother while she's trapped with him . *FOREVER FRIENDS*
@@izukumidoriya1424 I don’t care who u r that’s so terrifying and sad
@@jaspinflame670 that's a perfect punishment
@@dollyonelly4564 that’s not a punishment That’s an eternal death sentences
@@jaspinflame670 A deserved one.
I also felt that Scarlamagne’s death was totally unnecessary! In my mind he wasn’t 100% redeemed yet. He apologized, but he didn’t do anything other than the sacrifice to prove he’d changed. It would’ve been better to see him in the future happy with lio and song and kipo, that he’d found a place in the world.
Exactly!! It would have been amazing to see him in the flash forward
I had two big problems with the season, the big one also being Scarlemagne's death. Given how they framed Kipo 'talking' to him in the epilogue timeskip I'd hazard a guess the writers heard advice about endings being more memorable if it's bittersweet and our boy drew the short straw and got a rushed and forced demise as a result. It really did feel like his story had more to it but they just stopped it cold and killed him for no reason.
The other thing that really bothered me was during prom with Kipo's insistence of giving Emilia complete autonomy with zero preparations or oversight just in case she comes around and tries to murd- i mean cure everyone there like she's completely expected to do. Like extending an olive branch is one thing but Kipo basically poured gasoline onto the tree and just waited to see if anyone would light it on fire or not.
I completely agree with you on how badly handled hugos death was and how utterly pointless the vaccine was. Kipo constantly giving amelia more chances would have actually made some sort of sense if there had been a way to revert the "cured" mutes, instead those mutes, as far as what weve been shown by the series, are basically dead.
Margot and her brother are still feral and literally nobody knows they're out there alone.
That got me feeling awful-
Yumyan Hammerpaw :(
*Me, before watching season 3:* I hope Hugo has more moments where he acts like a big brother to Kipo :)
*Me, during the final battle:* Not like that :(
Emilia was a bigot who has been ingrained with hate but never had any reasoning behind it beyond what's been instilled in her. Hody Jones in One Piece is similar. He was ingrained with a hatred for humans by fishmen who had suffered at the hands of humans, but never experienced it himself and does things those who instilled those values would even hate him for, because they are the kind who will kill their own people for betraying their us or them mentality.
Killing her brother was what cemented her as a bigot who could never be reasoned with no matter what Kipo could do.
Yeah. Killing scarlamange was a bad move. Like. You're gonna give him a full redemption arc without him sacrificing himself to be better, then just kill him off? No mam. Not cool. Not tugging at my heart strings. Just makes me mad.
Ok but can we talk about Dave? Cus he honestly became my favorite character in season 3. I mean the MING MING MING and the boxes for cats was literally the funniest joke in the series imo and when we got to the point of how he met Benson was so sweet and cute and then that little tease where we think he's gonna share what the one thing it is that can kill him and then he's like nope, made that mistake before! And oml the part where Benson steps on a bug and Dave is like now we have to find a tiny human to squash and Bensons just like.... "Like- like a baby? But that's a baby!" and Dave is like "...yes." and thats the funniest thing omg I loved Dave in this season.
ngl I kinda want more seasons even though I know this is a good place to end, not saying I want like 10 seasons but this show and the characters have such a charm to them! No matter what I always found myself enjoying every minute, I hope Netflix and the team reconsider and do a side show of mini adventures for each episode or something, ANYTHING!!
or just a different story in the same universe that nods to the original.I have a intresting idea.
Maybe some human/mutant is living in a active war-zone and has enough of it. Then he/she hears the rumor about a ,,pink jaguar brought peace in los-santos'' and decides to go there. In the meantime some characters join the protagonist.
The catch would be that everyone is like Wolf but more insane. So the team would constantly fight, argue and play dirty on etch other. The antagonistic force in that spin-off would be a wild mega-mutant driven to hunt them down wy starvation. So the objective is to get to the city, before the team gets eaten or the team turn on themseles
6:30 The thing that kinda bugged me about this story is that Kipo's parents tell her to her face"Kipo, she murdered her own brother just because she didn't want to be wrong." And how did Kipo respond? "Nah, you guys are wrong. She can still change, because if one person can't change, then nobody can." I know that's not exactly what she said, that's pretty much the gist of what she stated.
It really frustrates me that she didn't really learn the lesson of "some people can't/don't want to change." It was really "all-or-nothing" for Kipo when it came to change.
Yeah that’s also made me more frustrated with Kipo this season out of the two seasons. Her optimistic nature was more overwhelming than Season two cause at least she learned the harsh lesson that there are some people who don’t change so easily and there are times where diplomacy just doesn’t work so well all the time.
Kipo’s The power of Friendship felt so over the top to me in this season.
Agree
The squirrels honestly terrified me.
Season 3's quality was definitely not as high as the first two, but dang I enjoyed it so much.
It still was a amazing season. There are so many good scenes from start to finish, it makes me more hopeful about future children's entertainment.
Scarlamange's death did seem like an overstep, but the way he yelled, "Leave my sister alone!!" will be one of my favorite cartoon scenes of all time.
I would have loved to watch a short/side series of Kipo and Scarlamange grow up as siblings along side with their friends (them finally having that family life they missed out on). Their sincere interaction from season 2 and 3 really took my heart away.
I especially loved that the final answer to Amelia totally was _"Sometimes violence is totally the answer."_ She was not redeemable, and the show was not shy about it. It says, no, you don't have to forgive your abuser, and it's not your responsibility to fix them. Sometimes you just have to accept they're bad people and let a sentient fungus eat them.
Also the Margot storyline was totally dropped just as hard as the Vaccine plot, but what's w/e.
(Sorry for responding so late, I just found the show)
Honestly, I hated that they just left Emilia to Fun Gus. Kipo had to learn while fighting Scarlamagne that sometimes you need to use violence to protect people, but she never gave up on trying to help him. I wish she had done the same with Emilia. What's the difference between the two of them? Just because Emilia did something worse in her past means she doesn't deserve the chance that Kipo gave Scarlamagne? I don't mind her not being redeemed, but Kipo just leaving it at that upset me.
@@KevinACarroll1996 I get where you're coming from, but Emilia's "unredeemability" comes not from having done any one thing, it was her unwillingness to _be_ redeemed.
Redemption is a complicated subject, but I think they tackled it fairly well in Kipo. Hugo's redemption didn't magically come when he sacrificed himself, it was the little things, over and over, that meant that he was no longer Charlemagne. It took his ultimate defeat and being brought to his lowest point to get started, but he did accept the hand given to him.
Emilia...did not accept that hand. She was brought to her lowest point, saved by Kipo from her own hubris, and she still tried to literally stab Kipo in the back.
The lesson being that, yes, some people are redeemable, even after some pretty horrible actions. Other people are not. It's not up to _us_ to redeem, but to _them_ to accept the burden of the redemption process.
@@seantheimp But Scarlemagne refused Kipo's hand too, even at his lowest moment. It took a while after Scarlemagne had been defeated to even begin becoming a better person. I just think the ending would have benefited if the epilogue had shown Kipo working with Emilia in a cell similar to how she worked with Scarlemagne. What I liked about Kipo up until then is that she never truly gave up on people, so seeing her just leave Emilia to be tortured by Fun Gus (not to mention she should still try to befriend Fun Gus himself, a child all alone in the world) just seemed so out of character.
Sorry, I just really liked that the message for most of the show seemed to be to never give up on people, even if you have to fight them. I have my own personal reasons for that and I'm just thinking about have a few more scenes in the epilogue could have solved my issues with it. Otherwise, it's one of the most impactful shows I've watched in a while.
@@KevinACarroll1996 Hm, you have a point about Hugo taking time that Emilia wasn't given... But I think there's still something to be said for the idea of levels of redeemability. A lot of shows give a blanket "friendship trumps all", that reality is exactly like Kipo wishes it to be.
So, I think I kinda take back what I said earlier a bit: what the crime is does matter somewhat, but it's contextual.
Scarlemagne was _unmistakably_ a monster. He killed out of rage and grief, filling a hole left by trauma. When given a chance to open up, though... He kinda did, even at the height of his power. His actions were still fueled by that trauma, and just as monstrous, but with twisted sense that he _was_ opening up to new ideas. Of course this was literally asking Kipo to gild her own father. So yeah, twisted af.
But that was the beginning of his redemption arc. He was pulled through it kicking and screaming, but he did respond positively at all stages.
Emilia's story is something else entirely. Hugo never got a choice. He was shaped by trauma and betrayal, and where he ended up was awful, but he took responsibility for it(even if that was stolen by his admittedly rather poorly conceived death scene). He showed a capacity for love for someone he thought he hated even in the throes of insanity(again, still, a twisted love). His time in the cage was lashing out in anger for his pain, though, not for hate.
Emilia's entire story was _about_ her choices. Yes, she was shaped by...if not trauma per-se, then at _least_ a toxic environment growing up. One that informed an ideology which she internalized, and at *every single chance* she defended that ideology. One that dehumanized others, led her to lobotomize others as a form of genocide, and overrode her own love for her brother in favor of continuing the cycle of hate. When given the chance for peace, she sabotaged it. When given acceptance by the people she persecuted, her life saved, she literally grabbed a shard of glass and tried to stab Kipo in the back.
I know redemption is nice, and Kipo _is_ correct that it's the right thing to do, every time, to extend a hand instead of a fist.
But sometimes the other guy is a literal Nazi, and good faith is just going to get you burned. Some people are unrepentant abusers and manipulators, and giving them access to their victims in the name of harmony is exactly what they want. Maybe it's a kind of mental illness that can be treated(Hugo did get over his hate), and our first instinct should be to try to heal, not harm. But sometimes you have to accept that trying for perfect will just result in more people getting hurt.
For me, that's Kipo's final message. She keeps her attitude, but doesn't try to save Amelia because she's realized that she's not worth the harm trying to save her may bring.
As an aside, I think Fun Gus more represents a force of nature than a lonely child. Even Mulholland thought he was trying to do the right thing when he was introduced, while Gus lives in a world dominated by a single thought. He doesn't even see his playthings as people, and the second they try to show their own will he turns violent. Keeping him from _digesting_ anyone trying to change him would be a feat. Even with all that, the show doesn't seem to consider redeeming him more for expediency than in connection with any message.
@@seantheimp I think my issue is that for personal reasons and because I grew up watching Superman the Animated Series (great show, I recommend it if you haven't seen it), I like to think that nobody is irredeemable and that people should always be given opportunities to change.
The reason I bring up Superman is that I've noticed similarities between the two in that they both have the power to destroy any of their enemies quite easily, but because of that power the messages of the story is that you should try to help others rather than simply defeat them. I like that Kipo had to learn that sometimes you have to fight and friendship will not always save the day instead of a single, simple message of "being nice all the time will make the world a better place" or "there's good and evil so you should just beat up the evil people". It showed that some situations are more complicated and require more work.
As far as Emilia's redeem-ability vs Hugo's, it's certainly subjective, but I would personally consider Emilia more redeemable. Her goals were to make the surface safe for humans, unlike Hugo who was lashing out because of selfish, emotional reasons (although I guess that speaks more about me as a person). Most of their actions were about the same, even Hugo tried to kill an entire arena of innocent people when he was defeated, whereas Emilia just tried to fight Kipo, about the only real threat to her.
Emilia killing her brother was horrible and something she would have to confront if she was ever to be redeemed, since she did it for the cause of helping humanity and would now have to admit that nothing good came of it and she killed him for nothing. That would be a very difficult hurdle, but it's something I could see Kipo working with Emilia to help her through it.
For your paragraph using Nazi's and saying they are unrepentant, that's kind of the message Kipo had to learn in season 2 against Hugo. She had to learn that sometimes you have to fight your enemy instead of simply making peace with them. But once Hugo couldn't hurt anyone else, she worked with him to get him to open up and become a better person. I'm not saying everyone can do this, but I think the opportunity should be there and they should have someone who tries to help them even if they don't want it, because who are we to say someone doesn't deserve to become a better person, or will never become a better person?
But as you said, Fun Gus seems to represent a force of nature rather than an actual child, so that probably explains so much. Why the audience isn't really supposed to feel bad about him, why Emilia's fate seems so final, kind of like she fell to her death, just a bit more PG (although the gang's reaction to that is a little messed up if it was meant to be a stand in for Emilia dying). But since his character is a sentient fungus with the mental age of a child, it just seems so wrong to leave him alone like that. Even if he won't die, think of the issues a child would have from being alone all their life with no one to teach them morals and kindness. Sure, he's super powerful and a danger to anyone who would try to help him, because a simple temper tantrum that any normal child would have could kill the person trying to help, but that's kind of the issue with giving young children super powers I guess.
(Also, I just want to say thank you for coming back to this comment section after months to discuss this with me. I know we're taking different sides of an argument, but I appreciate having someone to talk to about this show since I found it months after it ended.)
the worst thing about the cure and anti-cure story was that at the end we see the villain makes the anti-cure and USES IT. We see her transform and destroy stuff even beating kipo. Then the show forgets their villain made the anti-cure and shows all the mutants still unchanged and after that, we see kipos family hanging out chilling. I thought the whole point of making an anti-cure was to save our dear mutant characters, but in the end it was never made... Except it was and nobody thought to check the villains lab, probably destroyed it too!
heck, for the longest time in the season was the whole "lets make everyone our friends" even going so far as to try and make the villain a good guy like our dear monkey king. But they up and did her dirty by showing her inner thoughts of fear, scared, and more emotion when her mega beast form ran away from battle. When kipo cures the villain shes like "why" then she up an tries to kill her and then gets *Sparta kicked* into our fwendly mossy boi for all eternity!
This show is awesome but I feel like the ending wasn't handled very well. Heck we never got to see wolfs reaction to her wolf sisters transformation Gah! Sorry, this show ended on a bad note for me but clearly different for everyone else, don't let this ruin the show all opinions are different.
I don't consider Amelia to have made the anti cure because it was a megas blood it turned her into the same type of mega it probably wouldn't work on a normal animal if they're different species but maybe if they took blood sample from existing mites of the same species like lumber cats to make a anti cure for yum yang would have been possible but it probably wouldn't work if you used that same anti cure on the rat or wolf Margo they would probably need separate cures
@@pookybear6137 true but as you said they could use amelia's anti-cure with different blood samples from the mutant animals to cure the rest of the animals. it'd take a lot of work but thats the point isn't it? Otherwise kipos mom wouldn't have taken as long as she did. So even if Amelia didn't make the anti-cure, she sure did lay the foundations for it
I think that the ‘anti-cure’ was just to create megamutes, as that was what the research was done on.
@@ravenclawthestral3964 yes, the intended purpose for the anti-cure was to turn herself into a mega beast. I am saying they could easily modify the anti-cure to each individual mute who got turned saving them.
I feel like if this season has more episodes, possibly another season, to work with we’d see more balanced progression of both mutes and humans. Also I’d bet they wouldn’t drop the vaccine storyline like they did. I mean we were led to believe it would reverse the process and then the “5 years later” epilogue showed that never happened. Also, we would’ve hopefully gotten more hype for Amelia as a villain because compared to the 2 seasons-worth of buildup to Scarlamane, she fails as a villain for a reason.
A vaccine does not take back the fact you got sick or cured
Anyone just love the look of aged up Kipo and Wolf though?
Y E S
Older Kipo is making me question my sexuality again-
Wolf, yes. Still shouldnt have left the wolf cloak though. That look was fire.
Kipo? HELL No looks like a raging Portland dissident.
@@HeilRay eh, I'm into the punk-ish look, but to each their own
@@chaoticlittlecat
Thing is she doesnt look punk at all. She looks like a emo Mall Rat from the early 2000s.
Basically, Kipo is trying to look like something from an outsiders perspective which kinda fits her character, but it could of looked a lot better..
Not gonna lie. Hugo/Scarlamane got some really got moments this season.
Also, alot more characters could have been saved if they used tree bark as armor like Kipo did.
I think they ended it at the perfect point honestly! I loved seeing the links to the other seasons and getting backstory and all. Definitely more of a chill, slightly less non-stop season but personally I think that makes sense. The surface is calming down and so is the constant battles. I think it was a really good end to the show! And you CANNOT beat the soundtrack. Got me bopping every time
I wish they had a scene of yumyan finally catching that butterfly
kipo has good music tho
Yes I love the Music
Music good, but sometimes its annoyingly out of place, especially during action scenes.
@@HeilRay I disagree but respect your opinion. I think the music fits every scene just sometimes you rewatch it more than once
@@samdude1526
I mean they sometimes have it so loud it drowns out SFX and fells more like a chase scene in Classic Scooby Doo.
It was a common complaint in S1 but they got better in S2.
in the few action scenes in S3, the overbearing music felt more noticeable than S2 but only because it felt the least action packed out of the three seasons.
It has a great soundtrack
Im definitely still confused about the vaccine thing like it literally disappeared :/
yeah, me too, it think it was rushed
I loved every scene Scarlamagne/Hugo scene in this season and the music when he’s around always had his leitmotif which I loved
I Think The Point Of Amelias Back story Was More To Show That She Won't Change
You See So Many Redeemed Villains These Days (Hordak, Catra, Lillith, Gideon) So They're Showing That This Isn't A Redemption
U got a point but please don't capitalize every word u write
I didn't cry with Hugo's death either. I love his character and thought something like that would make me tear up, but it didn't. The whole scene just looked...off. To be honest I felt way more emotional when Yumyan was de-muted.
Maybe it’s because Yumyan owned you all ( I fucking teared up at Yumyans “death”)
I was so confused - she killed her brother was just thrown in out of nowhere and didn't really add anything except that she wasn't going to change her ways if she went to THAT extreme.
My exact thoughts on Scarlamane(?)'s death.
The music is so good.
Keep Up The Good Work~!
Honestly, I’m kind of content with how Hugo’s life ended. Obviously, I wish he could have survived, but his life ended in the most beautiful way. He had finally learned that what he did was wrong, he started to feel a connection to Song and Lio again, and one of the last things he said was, ‘Leave my sister alone’. He finally fully accepted the family who wanted him, and he died by protecting them with all he had. He even had a statue made in his honor. So, it was a bittersweet end, but a great one. At least, that is my personal opinion.
YES
Another I loved is that it didn’t just magically reverse all the cured mutes. It made the actions of the villains have actual stakes.
I see many people upset about how cured mutes didn't got reverted back to what they originally were, along with people who think that killing Hugo was a bad idea.
Nobody who goes to war makes it back to home without changes. War can make really deep scars and irreparable damages. Even though it's a cartoon, we always defend that it shouldn't be all childish just because of that. What's done is done, and we must embrace that change whether we like it or not.
Even though Scarlemagne/Hugo's great redemption arc and his sudden death, we should not see his end as a waste nor a bad move. It was the maximum expression of his evolution, since he gave even his life to save Kipo, and therefore, to save humans. It's the best proof of his growth as a character, and we must respect it and understand it.
Props to this beautiful show.
I really wish Margot and Wolf would have gotten a way bigger arc. I could do with 3 episodes and Margot becoming part of the cast
I wish kipo was longer, it did well for a show for 30 episodes (I think), but so much more could be done with the story and world. I feel like Amelia wasn’t the best villain, I liked scarlamane/Hugo better but I’m glad they choose to give him redemption.
The point about Amelia's flashback wasn't to make her more likable or forgivable or anything. It was to make her more human, more relatable, and therefore more frightening. It was also to nail home the idea that Kipo won't be able to talk her down like she did with all the other antagonists in the show.
Before, she was just an evil doctor. We knew she wanted to get rid of the mutes, but we kind of assumed Kipo would pull some Kipo speech and make her see that mutes and humans could coexist.
The backstory, then, puts Amelia in a situation many of us can relate to (bringing the audience closer to her, which in turn makes us uncomfortable with the idea that someone we relate to can go so bad), then shows us how easily and willingly Amelia was able to go to an extreme for a cause that, so far, we had only ever been *told* she was serious about; not shown. It's kind of like going, "hey, see, this person had a family, insecurities, loved ones, friends, and all that other stuff just like you! And guess what? She killed her brother in pursuit of her goal."
It's really to cement her as a villain, not redeem her.
I loved Kipo as a whole, but can we start moving away from messages for animated shows besides "prejudice"?
I know prejudice is a real thing and it keeps getting worse even today, but at times it feels like every message in animated shows is the same old "why can't different people just understand each other??"
Or, if they insist on that, do it in a way that doesn't spoonfeed the audience or treat them like morons?
I think its because its something that affecting the real world so much today. It's like how during war times, everyday things for citizens contained some sort of propaganda. Shows featuring prejudice and how to move past them is what the world needs right now. Especially since prejudice is something that affect so many lives negatively today. Racism, homophobia, sexism, religions clashing...
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I was so hoping you'd say: "Fighting can save the day, but it won't save the Dave"
I really didn't like Dave's fan story; I don't think it works that well with the current context. I know the metaphor of a fan is supposed to be petty, and I can respect that, but I don't think it clicks that much. Mostly because even if we amplify the metaphor, the mutes and the humans are literally fighting for their survival, while the Daves and the fan fanatics were fighting over something they could survive without and they just so happened to start killing each other. Plus, in the end, Benson and Dave ditch the fan alltogether. Also, I find the pacing excruciating and the diaologue between Benson and Dave not on point. I liked that the show tackled the cycle of violence, but I think it could have been better executed.
Wow, someone who agrees with me. Amazing.
I felt like it was totally fine as a silly "obviously made up" and exaggerated Dave Story, but it took me out of it as soon as they asked me to take it at face value that armies of people and Daves would sacrifice their lives in the post apocalypse over a tiny electric fan. On point metaphors aside. Overall I thought the season was amazing, but this was the only part I found lacking so it sticks out like a sore thumb by consequence.
On rewatching it, I’ve skipped that episode twice. Dave never really interested me, they could have given us a b-plot with Song and Scarlamagne/Hugo.
Hoags daughter was definitely one of my favorite side characters because of the constant Jojo poses she makes.
Troy picked a lock That’s doing some thing
He didn’t talk about yum yin though that was soo sad
Hyun-soo is an angel! 😍 He is soooo underrated. I love him so much. I should probably start listening to k-pop
I'm pretty sure the point of the vaccine subplot is that it was an overly optimistic plan that didn't pan out. It was a neat idea on paper, that it would be a perfect solution. However, sometimes seemingly good ideas just don't work out like you want.
I love season 3.
I'm so glad Kipo got a good ending that was satisfying, made logical sense, was enjoyable to watch, and emotional, but in a good way.
*Glares at Voltron*
You have no excuse now.
I really thought wolf's sister was going to get a redemption arc, and I was incredibly shocked when she got "cured".
"Heroes on Fire" is soooooooo good
I thought the season was good but it seems like Benson and Dave are constantly getting pushed further into the background with each season. Kipo is the main focus and Wolf has an entire story arc that goes for each season, but Benson and Dave basically does nothing till it’s time for a backstory that’s from Dave’s perspective only.
Also they set up things that could’ve been perfect foreshadowing that never happened such as Mulholland saying “now I have a part of me with you”. I assumed Kipo would lose her mute dna and he would restore it with the tiny bit he had. Or Dave casually dropping he can actually die forever, I thought he would sacrifice himself for Benson and there would actually be a loss to the main 4. Instead they made Kipo immune and non of the other characters (in the main cast) had any real steaks in this.
Lastly the songs in the final 2 episodes felt alittle out of place (not all but some).
Again this season was good but those few problems didn’t make it great for me in my opinion.
Hugo is my favorite character too! When he gone, I felt very shock. I think the same thing like you, he make me think that he going to stay at the end, but he didn’t.😢
R.I.P Yumyan (he owns you)
If there is a SEASON 4, I hope the villain is the *MEGA Kamodo Dragon*
Like seriously we are not ignoring them.
People need to see kipo while being a mute hybrid herself but she helped introduce humans from burrows they saw the best and helped change things
scarlemange said "stay away from my sister" and I literally had to pause the show because I was crying so hard
I do wish we were given more backstory and depth on Emilia, and I kinda wish Scarlemenge's sacrifice and death were done a bith differently, but overall, I think it turned out well. Perhaps if this was two seasons ten episodes each we could have gotten an improved story.
The only thing I hated about this season was the show ending
I really love this show, I love the characters, the story, the artstyle and the music. I think Scarlemagne has a great redemption arc and it think it's awesome that the show really takes it's time to get him there.
The thing that I don't like ist that it's only 10 episodes and only 3 seasons. Not only do I want to see more Kipo, but I also think that sometimes it rushes through things and sidelines Charakters I would have liked to see more of, like Jamack or Song. The second thing that felt off to me, was the final fight, between two Mega Mutes. For me the big moment was just before when the Humans help to protect the Mutes from the cure. After that it was just two Mega Mutes throwing punches and getting the cure dart, but it didn't felt like there was anything at stake, Mutes and Humans are friends, everybody was in safty, Emila was struggling. And after the fight the cured her from her mind prision and she immediately feld into Fun Gus and ist trapped in a mind prison again...
Acually in the 9th episode I was expecting that Scarlemagne and Wolf would team up for the 4th season and would become a 3rd force, having similar goals to Kipo, but willing to use much more violence to reach that goal and Kipo also would have to deal with them. I think that would have been awesome.
This is a great review. I agree with pretty much all of your points. I agree that Hugo was probably the most compelling character, but his death came out of left field. I was pretty disappointed with how they forced it in there. Also, I was honestly kind of disappointed that dave didn't have control of his metamorphosis. It seemed like he was starting to get a better grasp on it in season 2 and I thought we were gonna see more of him actually getting to use his strong stage. Also, I feel like the animation was in a decline from season 1, tbh. There are several animation errors that I caught, and issues with the models. You can even see one in this video at 13:31. Watch the woman in the background going up the stairs.
I will say I loved how they handled the message of violence. Like, it's not often you get such a lighthearted show actually say that sometimes violence in self-defense is necessary, but that it isn't a solution. That's a much more real-life applicable lesson than violence is never the solution. I also liked that they didn't redeem amelia. I thought that she made a nice foil for Hugo in that regard, showing that people can find redemption if they're willing to accept their faults and work towards change.
I wish they could have had four seasons because I think the story in this last season would have really benefitted from being able to make the mutes more nuanced as you said. It takes time for a population to change its thoughts, so I think having more time would have been great for that. Or, they could have just cut the vaccine plot. That was honestly pretty disappointing to see it end up going literally nowhere.
Overall though, I couldn't agree more that Kipo is one of the best shows of the year, and is a fantastic addition to the Netflix repertoire. It has very few flaws and none that are deal-breaking in any way. I'm sad to see it end, but it was a great ride!
I HATED THE STORY EPISODE! "We were having a petty fight over a fan" is not comparable to "they have a weapon of mass destruction that will essentially allow them to genocide so I am going to destroy their base of operations"!!!!!
okay but fr Jamack is such an underrated character, he deserved sooo much more and had so much potential for the plot. he’s overall a great character and it’s kinda sad to see that he just kinda got put in the background
All of Scaralmange's scenes were a treat, but his death felt cheap as heck. Also I wish we got more info on Wolf, Margot, and the pelt. But I loved the message about the cycle of violence and how it doesn't solve the problem
The ending was so abrupt. So many questions left unanswered :/. And Emilia died too soon, I wish there was another season.
My boy Hugo deserved better :( He only wanted to have a life with his family
Sure, Charlemagne was a jerk the first 2 seasons, but i swear to god he warmed up to me in the 3rd season. the finale, when he died, i swear to god i got hit in the feels so damn hard
The Troy x Benson development in season 3 was so needed, the way the slow mo scenes were done in season 2 when they had no connection at all was basically just objectification of gay relationships done in order to make straight people think "oh, it's cute because it's gay". If something is cute just because it's gay, that's not progression, that's objectification and belittling.
I have notice that some of the background characters from Dr. Emilia's burrow are the exact same people from Kipo's burrow. It seems Lio wasn't the only one who moved to that burrow.
Cant believe the world forgot this show already…
I haven’t, I just finished it 🥲
Amelia was a bland villain at first, and then became a muted, toned down, and rough edges removed villian. That's why she isn't engaging.
I like how they committed to fully ‘curing’ yumyam hammerpaw, and didn’t reverse it at the end. It gives the show some actual stakes
I was so sad that it ended. I mean, I understand why it did and I am glad in a way.
Bitter sweet ending.
Yumyan getting "cured" was sad to me and so did the newton wolves.
But everyone built up a society between mute kind and humans in the end but at a loss of many great characters...
I agree with the Scarlemagne death thing. I didn't cry cuz i was busy rejecting the fact he died cuz it just didn't feel right/
The maddening part of this season is I would have really liked Emilia as a villain, if Scarlemagne wasn’t the one that came before. She’s a good, villain, but Scarlemagne is just so much better. I don’t want Emilia to be just like Scarlemagne, but I wanted her to be as engaging as he is. Then again, a big part of Scarlemagne being great is that the actor playing him is just so much better than every other actor in this show. Also, I love that the actor play Kipo’s actual name is Karen. But, there are 2 characters that I did hate. Both of the treasure squirrels. I can’t fucking stand them. And the writers forget about the vaccine after episode 7.
When I was a kid I had this book series that I loved that had a hate able villain who was evil and murdered several people. And they managed to make her sympathetic but they never redeemed her and that was fine
What show was this?
@@jjaa_joyjoyartist Book series Warriors
Mapleshade?
@@ee8002 Yep
Basically, almost none of the WC's villains are redeemed. They either end up dead (Tigerstar1, Hawkfrost, Brokenstar, Darktail, Scourge, etc) or exiled and never coming back (Sol, Sleekwhisker), so it's not surprising that Maple never got her redemption
I was waiting to find out how mutes came to be and I WANTED YUMYUM back UnU I cried so much in that scne
(I also cried with scarlama... Hugo)
This series could be easily continued but I think it would need at least two next seasons to be satysfying
After Steven universe, I became way more skeptical of redemption arcs and what made them good I'm happy Scarlamaine ( is that how you spell it?? IDK) didn't get redeemed right away and that we saw him being moody and resistant to change at first it made the switch feel real...and then they killed him for some reason IDK how I feel about it. I loved this show overall It's morbidly underrated.
This is pretty much exactly how I feel about season 3 too! It was good, but not great, which can be hard to explain especially for the ending of a series. 1 & 2 were definitely better seasons, but this ending isn't bad. It's just... Alright. It does what it needs to. All that really soured it was, as many have explained before, how Scarlemagne / Hugo was just... Thrown away? He didn't even really help in that fight? He was a small distraction, and that's pretty much it. Considering ALL OF THE TIME spent on him as a character, it made no sense. This is the only real 'cop-out' I feel like we've seen in the series, which even with that, I have no idea WHY they would cop-out with it. The writers are obviously fully capable of mixing all of these characters together. Did they just think "naaaahh can't think of Scarlemagne as anything but a dictator / wanting to be a dictator in the long run"? I don't really know what he could have done in the time skip that would feel right, but I can think of a couple things that would have been more fitting than him just dying.
Every time I start to enjoy a tv show it ends I hate that I even clicked on the show I would not even have if I knew it was getting cancled
I think that if they'd dropped the vaccine plotline and leaned harder on Song's role as Scarlemagne's mother figure, it'd have been a more interesting use of her character. I would have liked to see Scarlemagne interact with someone he harmed that, literally, didn't do nearly as much to him. It might have inspired some perspective.
All in all, I think Kipo would've been well served by having one more season to flesh this whole thing out, but overall it hits all the right beats without being too rushed.
And I gotta respect how they just commited to the 'cure' mutes staying cured. Most shows would pull a miracle cure out of their asses.
Though I didn't like how they killed Scarlemagne either.
I liked this review a lot, but I think with first point u kinda missed the mark. Humans needed more time to understand and accept mutes in season 3 at least time shown because they had little to no interaction with then and the interactions were mostly negative. Mutes did have positive interactions with humans and not just with kipo in ratland there were probably people who came there and mutes had contact with them. Not to mention that it were people who saved them from being turn into gold statues. Even with that they were mostly reserved and came to the party mostly for the Kipos sake and only after they sing apolagyed what really made them accept humans is the fact that they saved them from being cured. On Amilia I really do think that they explained why she was like that rather then try to give her sympathy. Also Scharlame or Hugo showed that he redeemed himself to the point that he risked he's life for someone and in a way he did showe to everyone that he changed. Amilia had many chances to be better she just didn't take them and Kipo and her friends probably could try to save her from Gus but it was the date she chose.
O was hoping you would point out the soundtrack, it is so amazing, literally every episode I watch with my younger brother I talk about the music.
The epilogue was so amazing.
I wud really want a prequel about this series. Maybe the main character next shud be Benson and Dave (maybe)The timeline Dave was talking about is something I want to see more of.
Thank you for this, ive been so salty since season three came out for pretty much all these reasons
I loved almost everything. If they replaced the vaccine subplot with a cure for the "cure" we would have had beloved characters return and Song and Leo would still have quality time to spend together