29:50 The person who deleted their character due to TOP is Eis, who was a part of Lucrezia (the team that claims UCoB world first, you can actually find him during UCoB world first's footage) and plays DRK at the time. Eis explained on his twitter thread that he had received similar benefits from 3rd party tools during their P8s prog and therefore deleted their character. He later returned to the game after like 6 months of hiatus and now streams 14. There's been a lot of rumors about who leaked the cheating footage. The two most common explaination is that either an argument erupted amongst the 9ths and the players as the 9th members were promised a clear (with help from people who had cleared), but were then denied, and would do that as revenge; or, it is as what their team has said, the prog footage that was streamed privately onto youtube, but their account was hacked and leaked. Rumors are, ultimately, rumors, so we would not know what actually happened. As for streams, Kindred's stream gains a lot of traction (due to their Range Player's callouts on Hello World - Red is defamation, pass rot, pop green, watch rots) and they seem to have the streaming world first. I was there when people surrounded TOP cheaters at Limsa. They were on my server (Alexander) at the time and it was hilarious seeing people with names like zoomhack dameyo and nasa view white bald roegadyn (a thing from ff11). Japanese humor can be really, really mean at times.
@@hiyuodin Maybe. I tried digging since I couldn't find an article with an exact measure. Maintenance for the patch says servers went up at 3am PDT and FFLogs says world first was at basically 12pm PDT. Granted, both times are off by some minutes, so the answer is probably closer to 9 rather than 8 or 10. Cool fun fact too, world second was only 21 seconds after world first. They had to compare Eorzea Time between vods to decide world first, it was that close.
I was there for the DSR and TOP controversies as they unfolded and the memes were legendary. Great vid! I love how concise you were while going in depth when needed. Also bomb music choices, two of my faves were in there (zinnia battle and skyward sword). New sub!
Fun fact: The Nael Quotes in UCoB were different on content than today. At least in English. They were a lot less standardized and had some weird flavory phrasings akin to normal localization in regular dialogue but unintentionally added difficulty. Some examples: "From red moon I draw steel, in my descent to bare!" - Dynamo, Chariot, Dive Today: "From hallowed moon I bare iron, in my descent to wield!" "Gleaming steel, plunge and take fiery edge!" - Chariot, Dive, Thermionic Today: "Unbending iron, descend with fiery edge! " Meanwhile, JP text had... Kanji for each of the associated mechanic. Which means it was much faster to identify in Japanese. *鉄*よ、舞い*降*りし我の刃となり赤*熱*せよ！ Iron, descent, fire Iron Chariot, Raven's Dive, Thermonic Beam Out, spread, stack The reason the UCoB group also got extra LB was from having low HP with the LB3 active. They would have died from the smaller pulses, not just the final heavy pulse. The last heavy pulse is always lethal even at full HP so you just always get one free bar from 8 people "dying" and surviving with mitigation. For the smaller pulses, you needed to have your HP already low enough to "die" from each pulse. Each "lethal" pulse for 8 people was a free LB bar. This LB generation method was nerfed from Shadowbringers onward. Critical HP heals from below 10% HP do have significant HP generation, but not to that degree.
@@NotRealAkira I'm going to be real with you: I play in JP and EN. I agree with your first part of the comment but considering this gameplay element involves flowery Nael with "WAGA YAIBA" flowery type speech style I don't blame the initial blunder. If you're going to get more ammo via acknowledgement for your anti localization sentiment, get it from a different Japanese speaker.
@@shadowofchaos725 Seems I wrote my comment poorly. I just wanted to say that I find a lot of the differences between the original and the localization to be quite frustrating, and that my frustration was growing as I found more and more discrepencies. I'm sorry if I came across as overly harsh in my statement, I didn't mean to come across that way. The change was good because now both are on equal footing when it comes to Iron Chariot. It's so much easier to just look for the word "iron" rather than 3 variations in "conquest", "steel" and "smite". For some reason though, beam is still "blazing", "light" and "fire". They should have changed that one too. I will admit that I didn't know you yourself actually played and understood both, but I probably should have given your detailed explanation and your use of Kanji. I won't deny that I have recently attained a very anti-localization sentiment when it comes to this game, so there is some bias, but I think making a fight more difficult just for the sake of being fancy is quite ridiculous, and I'm personally not as willing to shift blame away because I honestly find it kind of unfair. How hard is it to notice that they re-use the same kanji over and over and think "maybe there's a reason for this"? Especially when it's in the context of a video game where attack names have context clues to them? Didn't they also have another fight in Stormblood that used a very similar mechanic? ... Right, sorry if I'm bothering you again. I'm not trying to preach to you, it's just that with all the differences between versions I honestly just wish I could read Japanese because then I'd have no such problems, but alas... Also sorry if I ranted too much, I realize now that you were just trying to explain something for fun and didn't expect this kind of response. If you would like me to, I will delete both this comment and the previous one so this comment section can stay clean.
The examples you provided are pretty meh, newcomers would probably not understand how bad it actually is. Here's a few more examples: "O red moon, shine the path to conquest!" - Dynamo and Chariot "From on high I descend, mine enemies to smite!" - Dive and Chariot So Chariots are referred to as "conquest", "smite", and "steel" in different quotes, it had zero consistency. "From on high I descend, a hail of stars to bring!" At first glance, it looks to be Dive and Stream Spread right? But this is actually a Fellruin trio quote, it's Dive, Dynamo, and Stream. The Dynamo part is completely gone from EN translation. The current quote is now: "From on high I descend, the moon and stars to bring!" Additionally, I would like to bring up O11S as another example of why translators ignored gameplay. Starboard makes sense only if you lived as a sailor for years. But In all other languages, it clearly states left and right without the added difficulty. In JP, it's literally 左舷 and 右舷 with the literal left and right kanji 左 and 右.
@@meteorolite1063For the starboard thing, this isn't true for French players. It uses "Tribord" and "Bâbord" which are the same things as Starboard and Larboard It's just annoying that flavor gets in the way of gameplay like that sometimes
To be clear, Automarkers (AM) is not the plugin that allowed players to move waymarks around during a fight. AM is used to put markers on players' heads during certain mechanics that require higher than normal levels of coordination. It's been frequently used since UWU for Titan Gaols, but exploded in popularity in Endwalker because of DSR and TOP.
Don't forget how the dev's no longer acknowledge world first races anymore since the cheating incident. they used to make social media posts confirming and giving congrats to teams. now they've full on stopped since then.
I'm holding out hope they're saving him for one big "zenos ultimate" when they get to ones based on EW... though at the same time, i hope it's its own thing and doesn't completely take over the EW MSQ ultimate slot. there's so much you can do with hydaelyn, zodiark, endsinger, and even fanny d!
We might get one one because Ucob was brought in SB and it's a fight from ARR, UwU was also from ARR, Tea was HW and was in ShB, noticing a 2 expansion pattern here
@@SomeOne-vh1rm they said at themselves after the omega protocol they decided to skip the other storm blood ultimate in favor of the SHADOWBRINGERS one because of how much production time they lost when restructuring for dawntrail
I would add that there’s some leak of TOP mechanics from SE itself. I would add that there’s some leak of TOP mechanics from SE itself. In the largest Chinese ffxiv community, NGA, one guy was constantly releasing details about mechanics right ahead of the streaming groups. (I’m not saying this is the origin of the leak but at least all the streamers lack this knowledge). For example when the streamers reached p4, he said the target in this phase is to put the HP below 20%. And when streamers just entered p5, he immediately explained how the hello world buff works. At first I thought this is just some annoying person from non-streaming prog teams with faster prog. Then I saw him releasing two videos about dynamis delta and sigma. In those videos, he just walked around the arena showing all the mechanics with UI hidden, with only one person in the group and invulnerable from the failure of mechanics. Apparently not even a third party tool can achieve that. I think this is unfair that western streamers don’t know that because there are hundreds of people watching those leaks before moderators deleting the comments. So I also told these information to kindred in stream chat. Some Chinese players scolded me for “ruining the experience of players and audience”. But first kindred said they are not against any public information so I chose to told them. And second this really doesn’t matter much because they already know some mechanics of HW buffs and in that leaking video you still can’t see how a few mechanics, for example there’s no tethers because only one person is there. Also there’s a huge gap between knowing the mechanics and solving the strategy. But other than that, as altia7945 has mentioned, it has been really an enjoyable journey for streamers and the community. For example I was the guy providing Kindred the strategy for sigma towers. They initially had some strategy but it seems it relies heavily on the ninth man calling out almost everyone how they need to move and they couldn’t get through the mechanics consistently. (Here is also something I wonders, is it unfair for these world proggers having multiple ninth men doing calling outs whereas normal players have to observe all mechanics alone. Again this is not to justify the usage of ACT.) Later on they interacted with another Chinese strategy maker called Xiao Ku小哭, this guy was streaming making strategies by watching stream from kindred. And apparently some of optimized strats also affected kindred’s gameplay. They even had a voice chat later and these clips received tens of thousands of views in Chinese community in one day.
I said DSR had 8 phases but that’s incorrect - it has 7. I had included the intermission between phase 4 and 5 which in hindsight shouldn’t really be counted.
I have mixed feelings about the cheating scandal. Winning with mods is cheating when the game is designed and balanced around vanilla. On the other hand, every team going for world first were doing exactly the same thing, it just never leaked. You think nobody streamed their prog just to protect their discovery and strats?
If you're talking RuneLite script tier mods that tell you where and when to stand for mechanics effectively playing the game for you, then yeah. That s*** needs to go. But people were banned for simply using zoomhacks which is honestly less a "cheat" than a QoL change that people have been asking for since years back when 8 man encounters started to become more involved to the point of having multiple instances of mechanics spanning the entire arena including the area around it triggering simultaneously and/or back to back. Some "hacks" exist in the first place to make up for missing features that should already be in the game to begin with and nobody would complain about having a higher max camera distance. If this isn't what the devs want, then they honestly shouldn't balance the game in such a way that has you fighting the camera more than the boss in the first place.
I think it's slightly incorrect to say nothing came out of the TPS cheating. Their use of paisley park (the plugin that auto sets waymarks during combat) lead to the restriction of waymarks being only placeable outside of combat.
Although you are correct (and it's obviously the reason they did) technically it was never specifically stated that this was the reason for the change, and also no one got punished directly. I believe that's what the video means by "nothing came of it" rather than no changes came because of it.
Funnily enough, there used to be strats in place that involved being able to move waymarks back in ARR during Turn 9 divebombs. Although, that usually resulted in someone being the designated divebomb safespot identifier since there wasn't really any plugins at the time outside of ACT callouts.
Just a random gripe as someone who has done all the ultimates but Dragonking Thordan is _not_ a hard final phase. In terms of final phase difficulty - TOP > UWU (counting from when ultima spawns in) > TEA >>> DSR > UCOB
This video is amazing and informative! Can we get a list of the tracks in this video? I recognized so many songs (especially serpent eating the ground which nearly made me jump from my seat) but just wanted to know some of the other ones.
Sad to think that a lot of raids in WoW, you must have like 15-20 addons or you just don't clear because the raids over the years are built around having combat addons. I'm against addons that have anything to do with combat. lets see a first world mythic raid race with no combat addons in The war within, 100% you will not clear without them.
As a penta legend all ill really say is ults are fun but really nothing to brag about. Do it for the weapons and to maximize content in xiv, not to show off. My Wolfenstein II hardcore run (mein leben trophy) and Hollow Knight's pantheon are harder than a ultimate
Isn't it funny that the two people here bragging about their clears both had to edit their comments and both comments still display incorrect grammar? "not to show off." That's exactly what you're doing by bragging about being an illegitimate penta-legend. Don't even try to pretend or act like you don't know what I mean. Oh and hey BLU guy? At least try to know what you're talking about before you expose yourself. BLU has never been expanded into Shadowbringers, it's still in Stormblood. I wouldn't expect a braindead cheater to know anything, but that has to be embarrassing for you.
You really can't compare individual accomplishments to group content. Getting the Necromancer title is much more difficult from the perspective on individual effort than clearing any ultimate, but ultimates in general are significantly more difficult because you are relying on seven other people to do their jobs, on top of your own responsibilities.
29:50 The person who deleted their character due to TOP is Eis, who was a part of Lucrezia (the team that claims UCoB world first, you can actually find him during UCoB world first's footage) and plays DRK at the time. Eis explained on his twitter thread that he had received similar benefits from 3rd party tools during their P8s prog and therefore deleted their character. He later returned to the game after like 6 months of hiatus and now streams 14.
There's been a lot of rumors about who leaked the cheating footage. The two most common explaination is that either an argument erupted amongst the 9ths and the players as the 9th members were promised a clear (with help from people who had cleared), but were then denied, and would do that as revenge; or, it is as what their team has said, the prog footage that was streamed privately onto youtube, but their account was hacked and leaked. Rumors are, ultimately, rumors, so we would not know what actually happened.
As for streams, Kindred's stream gains a lot of traction (due to their Range Player's callouts on Hello World - Red is defamation, pass rot, pop green, watch rots) and they seem to have the streaming world first.
I was there when people surrounded TOP cheaters at Limsa. They were on my server (Alexander) at the time and it was hilarious seeing people with names like zoomhack dameyo and nasa view white bald roegadyn (a thing from ff11). Japanese humor can be really, really mean at times.
Yea but they're just pixels on a screen so they're easy to ignore
"The Arcadion Raid Tier was cleared in less than a week" - Less than a day, LOL
Hasn't every savage been cleared in less than a day since SB?
@@VForceWave A couple of tiers were cleared ~30 hours, though there have been plenty of
@@MrJjjakey Wasn't it 8 hours actually? I might misremember but I thought it was 8 hrs.
@@hiyuodin Maybe. I tried digging since I couldn't find an article with an exact measure. Maintenance for the patch says servers went up at 3am PDT and FFLogs says world first was at basically 12pm PDT. Granted, both times are off by some minutes, so the answer is probably closer to 9 rather than 8 or 10.
Cool fun fact too, world second was only 21 seconds after world first. They had to compare Eorzea Time between vods to decide world first, it was that close.
FIRST tier alwas EZ + PLAYERS are better now
I was there for the DSR and TOP controversies as they unfolded and the memes were legendary. Great vid! I love how concise you were while going in depth when needed. Also bomb music choices, two of my faves were in there (zinnia battle and skyward sword). New sub!
Fun fact: The Nael Quotes in UCoB were different on content than today.
At least in English. They were a lot less standardized and had some weird flavory phrasings akin to normal localization in regular dialogue but unintentionally added difficulty.
Some examples:
"From red moon I draw steel, in my descent to bare!" - Dynamo, Chariot, Dive
Today:
"From hallowed moon I bare iron, in my descent to wield!"
"Gleaming steel, plunge and take fiery edge!" - Chariot, Dive, Thermionic
Today:
"Unbending iron, descend with fiery edge! "
Meanwhile, JP text had... Kanji for each of the associated mechanic. Which means it was much faster to identify in Japanese.
*鉄*よ、舞い*降*りし我の刃となり赤*熱*せよ！
Iron, descent, fire
Iron Chariot, Raven's Dive, Thermonic Beam
Out, spread, stack
The reason the UCoB group also got extra LB was from having low HP with the LB3 active. They would have died from the smaller pulses, not just the final heavy pulse. The last heavy pulse is always lethal even at full HP so you just always get one free bar from 8 people "dying" and surviving with mitigation.
For the smaller pulses, you needed to have your HP already low enough to "die" from each pulse.
Each "lethal" pulse for 8 people was a free LB bar. This LB generation method was nerfed from Shadowbringers onward.
Critical HP heals from below 10% HP do have significant HP generation, but not to that degree.
Thank God they changed them, yet another example of the localization causing problems
@@NotRealAkira I'm going to be real with you: I play in JP and EN. I agree with your first part of the comment but considering this gameplay element involves flowery Nael with "WAGA YAIBA" flowery type speech style I don't blame the initial blunder.
If you're going to get more ammo via acknowledgement for your anti localization sentiment, get it from a different Japanese speaker.
@@shadowofchaos725 Seems I wrote my comment poorly. I just wanted to say that I find a lot of the differences between the original and the localization to be quite frustrating, and that my frustration was growing as I found more and more discrepencies.
I'm sorry if I came across as overly harsh in my statement, I didn't mean to come across that way.
The change was good because now both are on equal footing when it comes to Iron Chariot.
It's so much easier to just look for the word "iron" rather than 3 variations in "conquest", "steel" and "smite".
For some reason though, beam is still "blazing", "light" and "fire". They should have changed that one too.
I will admit that I didn't know you yourself actually played and understood both, but I probably should have given your detailed explanation and your use of Kanji.
I won't deny that I have recently attained a very anti-localization sentiment when it comes to this game, so there is some bias, but I think making a fight more difficult just for the sake of being fancy is quite ridiculous, and I'm personally not as willing to shift blame away because I honestly find it kind of unfair.
How hard is it to notice that they re-use the same kanji over and over and think "maybe there's a reason for this"? Especially when it's in the context of a video game where attack names have context clues to them? Didn't they also have another fight in Stormblood that used a very similar mechanic?
... Right, sorry if I'm bothering you again. I'm not trying to preach to you, it's just that with all the differences between versions I honestly just wish I could read Japanese because then I'd have no such problems, but alas...
Also sorry if I ranted too much, I realize now that you were just trying to explain something for fun and didn't expect this kind of response.
If you would like me to, I will delete both this comment and the previous one so this comment section can stay clean.
The examples you provided are pretty meh, newcomers would probably not understand how bad it actually is.
Here's a few more examples:
"O red moon, shine the path to conquest!" - Dynamo and Chariot
"From on high I descend, mine enemies to smite!" - Dive and Chariot
So Chariots are referred to as "conquest", "smite", and "steel" in different quotes, it had zero consistency.
"From on high I descend, a hail of stars to bring!"
At first glance, it looks to be Dive and Stream Spread right? But this is actually a Fellruin trio quote, it's Dive, Dynamo, and Stream. The Dynamo part is completely gone from EN translation. The current quote is now:
"From on high I descend, the moon and stars to bring!"
Additionally, I would like to bring up O11S as another example of why translators ignored gameplay. Starboard makes sense only if you lived as a sailor for years. But In all other languages, it clearly states left and right without the added difficulty. In JP, it's literally 左舷 and 右舷 with the literal left and right kanji 左 and 右.
@@meteorolite1063For the starboard thing, this isn't true for French players. It uses "Tribord" and "Bâbord" which are the same things as Starboard and Larboard
It's just annoying that flavor gets in the way of gameplay like that sometimes
To be clear, Automarkers (AM) is not the plugin that allowed players to move waymarks around during a fight. AM is used to put markers on players' heads during certain mechanics that require higher than normal levels of coordination. It's been frequently used since UWU for Titan Gaols, but exploded in popularity in Endwalker because of DSR and TOP.
This is really great! I hope to see more things like this in the future, the editing quality is really nice!
This video deserves more views.
Don't forget how the dev's no longer acknowledge world first races anymore since the cheating incident. they used to make social media posts confirming and giving congrats to teams. now they've full on stopped since then.
It’s a real shame we are never getting another “a test of your Reflexes” meme because Zenos and Shinryu’s Ultimate got skipped
mayeb they'll lump it in with the endwalker story ultimate?
I'm holding out hope they're saving him for one big "zenos ultimate" when they get to ones based on EW... though at the same time, i hope it's its own thing and doesn't completely take over the EW MSQ ultimate slot. there's so much you can do with hydaelyn, zodiark, endsinger, and even fanny d!
We might get one one because Ucob was brought in SB and it's a fight from ARR, UwU was also from ARR, Tea was HW and was in ShB, noticing a 2 expansion pattern here
@@SomeOne-vh1rm they said at themselves after the omega protocol they decided to skip the other storm blood ultimate in favor of the SHADOWBRINGERS one because of how much production time they lost when restructuring for dawntrail
The sword and shield gym music in the beginning jumpsacred me 😂
Can't wait to see what cheats the community comes up with this time!
I would add that there’s some leak of TOP mechanics from SE itself.
I would add that there’s some leak of TOP mechanics from SE itself.
In the largest Chinese ffxiv community, NGA, one guy was constantly releasing details about mechanics right ahead of the streaming groups. (I’m not saying this is the origin of the leak but at least all the streamers lack this knowledge). For example when the streamers reached p4, he said the target in this phase is to put the HP below 20%. And when streamers just entered p5, he immediately explained how the hello world buff works.
At first I thought this is just some annoying person from non-streaming prog teams with faster prog. Then I saw him releasing two videos about dynamis delta and sigma. In those videos, he just walked around the arena showing all the mechanics with UI hidden, with only one person in the group and invulnerable from the failure of mechanics. Apparently not even a third party tool can achieve that.
I think this is unfair that western streamers don’t know that because there are hundreds of people watching those leaks before moderators deleting the comments. So I also told these information to kindred in stream chat. Some Chinese players scolded me for “ruining the experience of players and audience”. But first kindred said they are not against any public information so I chose to told them. And second this really doesn’t matter much because they already know some mechanics of HW buffs and in that leaking video you still can’t see how a few mechanics, for example there’s no tethers because only one person is there. Also there’s a huge gap between knowing the mechanics and solving the strategy.
But other than that, as altia7945 has mentioned, it has been really an enjoyable journey for streamers and the community. For example I was the guy providing Kindred the strategy for sigma towers. They initially had some strategy but it seems it relies heavily on the ninth man calling out almost everyone how they need to move and they couldn’t get through the mechanics consistently. (Here is also something I wonders, is it unfair for these world proggers having multiple ninth men doing calling outs whereas normal players have to observe all mechanics alone. Again this is not to justify the usage of ACT.) Later on they interacted with another Chinese strategy maker called Xiao Ku小哭, this guy was streaming making strategies by watching stream from kindred. And apparently some of optimized strats also affected kindred’s gameplay. They even had a voice chat later and these clips received tens of thousands of views in Chinese community in one day.
I said DSR had 8 phases but that’s incorrect - it has 7. I had included the intermission between phase 4 and 5 which in hindsight shouldn’t really be counted.
great video! commenting for the algorithm
actually... there is a lot of historical inaccuracies in here.
What a good video! Keep up the good work, mate :)
Will do!
pretty pog video, was a fun watch
Ty, appreciate it :)
I have mixed feelings about the cheating scandal. Winning with mods is cheating when the game is designed and balanced around vanilla. On the other hand, every team going for world first were doing exactly the same thing, it just never leaked. You think nobody streamed their prog just to protect their discovery and strats?
If you're talking RuneLite script tier mods that tell you where and when to stand for mechanics effectively playing the game for you, then yeah. That s*** needs to go. But people were banned for simply using zoomhacks which is honestly less a "cheat" than a QoL change that people have been asking for since years back when 8 man encounters started to become more involved to the point of having multiple instances of mechanics spanning the entire arena including the area around it triggering simultaneously and/or back to back. Some "hacks" exist in the first place to make up for missing features that should already be in the game to begin with and nobody would complain about having a higher max camera distance. If this isn't what the devs want, then they honestly shouldn't balance the game in such a way that has you fighting the camera more than the boss in the first place.
Amazing video!
TPS never getting away from cheating allegations.
Random but find it funny that Drk has been in every WF Ult group wonder if it will continue for FRU
dope
Good vid
Could you add a song list or at least give the name of the last song please?
not sure what exact version or cover it is but its zelda's lullaby
Absolutely, done now
THE CELESTE MUSIC AAAAHHHHHH
2:40 lol?
Great video but way too much bass in the beginning
Yea, I didn’t realise how loud I made myself at times… Definitely a thing to look out for next time.
I think it's slightly incorrect to say nothing came out of the TPS cheating. Their use of paisley park (the plugin that auto sets waymarks during combat) lead to the restriction of waymarks being only placeable outside of combat.
Although you are correct (and it's obviously the reason they did) technically it was never specifically stated that this was the reason for the change, and also no one got punished directly.
I believe that's what the video means by "nothing came of it" rather than no changes came because of it.
Funnily enough, there used to be strats in place that involved being able to move waymarks back in ARR during Turn 9 divebombs. Although, that usually resulted in someone being the designated divebomb safespot identifier since there wasn't really any plugins at the time outside of ACT callouts.
Just a random gripe as someone who has done all the ultimates but Dragonking Thordan is _not_ a hard final phase. In terms of final phase difficulty - TOP > UWU (counting from when ultima spawns in) > TEA >>> DSR > UCOB
DSR DKT is harder difficulty if you are tank.
ahh yes, the sweaties 🤭
They only sweat because they might get caught cheating and be banned.
1:55 u mean 2017* ;p
This video is amazing and informative! Can we get a list of the tracks in this video? I recognized so many songs (especially serpent eating the ground which nearly made me jump from my seat) but just wanted to know some of the other ones.
Song list now in the description :)
Sad to think that a lot of raids in WoW, you must have like 15-20 addons or you just don't clear because the raids over the years are built around having combat addons. I'm against addons that have anything to do with combat. lets see a first world mythic raid race with no combat addons in The war within, 100% you will not clear without them.
As a penta legend all ill really say is ults are fun but really nothing to brag about. Do it for the weapons and to maximize content in xiv, not to show off.
My Wolfenstein II hardcore run (mein leben trophy) and Hollow Knight's pantheon are harder than a ultimate
HK pantheon isn't harder then top lol
Yeah as a penta legend myself I would rather show of the blue mage title from clearing stormblood/ShB raids, I love blue mage :/
Isn't it funny that the two people here bragging about their clears both had to edit their comments and both comments still display incorrect grammar? "not to show off." That's exactly what you're doing by bragging about being an illegitimate penta-legend. Don't even try to pretend or act like you don't know what I mean.
Oh and hey BLU guy? At least try to know what you're talking about before you expose yourself. BLU has never been expanded into Shadowbringers, it's still in Stormblood. I wouldn't expect a braindead cheater to know anything, but that has to be embarrassing for you.
You really can't compare individual accomplishments to group content. Getting the Necromancer title is much more difficult from the perspective on individual effort than clearing any ultimate, but ultimates in general are significantly more difficult because you are relying on seven other people to do their jobs, on top of your own responsibilities.