I know that for many people, getting inducted into the R&RHoF is like this big honor, or status kind of thing, but personally I think that institution is a bad joke, and shouldn’t even exist. There are many others who share my opinion. I actually know a couple of inductees, and they were treated like shit at their induction. What that place really is in reality is nothing more than a money machine that allows music industry scumbags the opportunity to jerk off each other’s egos, while charging $10K a seat for admission, even for family and friends of the bands being inducted. Personally I think rock and roll doesn’t need a “hall of fame”. It’s music for the people, and always has been. I mean who exactly gets to decide which bands are “worthy” and which ones aren’t? Oh that’s right… sociopathic, soulless industry chicken hawks, that’s who. Besides, a large percentage of inductees aren’t even rock and roll. Pop divas, rappers, and what have you… while actual longtime rock and roll pioneers are largely ignored. It’s all a big farce. Anyway, that’s the end of my rant. Carry on.
I had the privilige of opening for them with my band on their Dutch tour in june 1981. It was a wonderful experience, they were real kind to us and we were allowed to really take the stage while performing. We could have done the whole European tour, but because of our studies we couldn't... I already liked the band a lot, but after that even more. I still have signed copies of True Colors and Waiata! :)
They all screamed for Neil (the younger brother) as he was the lead singer for their biggest hit "I Got You". Neil would later go onto to form Crowded House who had big hits in the USA with "Don't Dream It's Over" and "Something So Strong". Tim would join Crowded House in 1991 and help sing/write hits with Neil (in the UK) with "Weather With You" and "It's Only Natural".
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda That is just nuts to me. I’m still trying to wrap my head around it. If someone would have told me back in 1981 that Neil Finn would one day be a member of Fleetwood Mac, I would have laughed in their face and told them to get their head examined. Fate is so bizarre sometimes.
I didn’t know Split Enz was on American Bandstand! They’re one of my favorites! They are *VERY* underrated in the U.S. and should’ve done a heck of a lot better!
I never understood why the radio wouldn’t give them the time of day back then, aside from the occasional and infrequent airing of “I Got You” and “History Never Repeats”. Early MTV was promoting their videos like crazy, but that was a few years before MTV had any pull with FM radio. Yes, so many other great songs that should have been charting hits here in the states. Oh well, at least the Finn brothers finally got some recognition here with Crowded House later on.
I never heard them until finding them on Ytube. In the 70s-80s I listened to the radio all day/night but never heard them or a number of other good 80s songs. Our radio stations were in a stranglehold of corporate music tyrants. Didn't realize how much we missed until I got XM/Siruis radio 15 years ago.
Great interview, respectful intelligent questions. I still remember on the True Colours tour Dionne Warwick introducing them as coming from their NATIVE homeland of Australia before they sang I Hope I Never. Left one very disappointed 12 year old watching at home.
Split Enz were a great band with a very interesting musical history (never repeats!). But by this time they were making great pure pop music and Tim and Neil both have the songwriting gift.
Funny , Both Tim and Neil did end up coming home in the end , I hung out at Neil's Roundhead studio on a shoot once it is not from my house and pretty much just down the road here in Auckland
maybe - lead singer, better looking, personality and younger than the other band members, he was about 21 / 22. Age is a big factor. Right age for the teen girls to swoon for. Whereas Tim looks like your uncool geography teacher, looks late 30s with a dad persona.
@@moaningpheromones I don’t know about all that. I think you’re right about the lead singer thing, but there were plenty of girls back then who were crushed out on Tim as well. They’re both good looking guys in their own way. I think a lot of it here in the states had to do with the fact that “I Got You” was their biggest hit here, and Neil sings lead on that one and is prominently featured in the video.
@@Shikta-poobah67 well he was pissed at John Lyndon and PIL to be saw everyone dancing to music that's really hard to dance too and I guess that's when he finally "got it" and wanted PIL back and started bringing new wave and punk bands on.
Ah, the Waiata album - had its colours changed specifically for the North American market. Everywhere else it was brown and black (and in Australia, it was called Corroboree)
@@rods6405 Believe it or not that was pitched to the record label, but they weren’t having it. The idea at the time was that the album title would be different in every country it was released in, using the nation’s indigenous word or words for “song and celebration”, but Australia was the only country that went along with it. It was a very cool idea, but most record labels back then were run by conservative corporate types and they just didn’t get it.
The description is a bit misleading when it says that rock music is not big in New Zealand. They actually meant that because of the small population, your audience is limited.
I think they also meant that the industry (at least back then) was too small and secluded in NZ to give them the international exposure and promotion that they wanted. In other words, you can either be a big fish in a little pond, or you can go swim in the big ocean with the big fish and have bigger opportunities. It’s probably different today (in NZ), but in the 70’s and early 80’s there just wasn’t much of an industry there.
That's not what I meant (btw I knew that all). It just seems a bit strange that here the girls only scream for one member 'cause from the other American Bandstand videos I've got the impression that they scream for anyone as long as he's in a band, no matter how "unknown" or ugly that guy is.
It’s because they were holding up placards off camera for people to scream as soon as Neil was introduced. That’s showbiz. Jesus told me so. I like salad. Just ate a nice salad.
Only had one Australian member at the very end on drums. A kiwi band, note the NZ on Split Enz. Crowded House fair to call Australasian. Cool that you covered one of their songs.
That’s showbiz. AB in those days was kind of the ultimate showcase for up and coming bands, and the show’s format was very regimented and rigid. You have to remember, this was still the era of lip-syncing/miming to pre-recorded tracks, and I can tell you right now as a longtime musician that has to be the most uncomfortable and awkward thing ever, especially with a bunch of cameras and lights in your face and knowing that millions of viewers are watching you. Dick Clark was typically an affable host, but he was the living, breathing epitome of *SHOWBIZ*
Peter Jacksons begs to differ Neil. There is in fact no reason to leave NZ other than for a holiday. Young people leave because they have the misconception Neil had and probably still has (thats why theyre still leaving in 2022) Stick around and put in the work, instead of jetting off, maybe the country will thrive. Its good enough here for immigrants occupying space you left, dont see why its not good enough for you.
As an American trapped on what I liken to a sinking ship, I would cut off a limb if it meant I could gain citizenship in NZ. Compared to the U.S. these days, you guys have it *VERY* good. However this was 1981, and I think things may have been a bit different back then.
Based on what I’ve read in interviews, he never hated NZ. Quite the opposite actually, but as a career musician (especially in the 70’s and 80’s) it was such a tiny music industry market, and it was extremely frustrating and defeating trying to make things happen for your band. That’s why they left early on for Australia and then the UK. You go where the opportunities are. Anyway, as someone else has pointed out here, Neil (and I think Tim and the others as well) now live back there again, so that’s got to count for something.
Tim's wrong!...The English government decided to change it's usual dominant tactics, and agreed to a contract to live in harmony with the current inhabitants of the islands (The Moriori were the original inhabitants of New Zealand before the Maori arrived and systematically massacred and ate them all) The Maori realised they were going to be wiped out by the superior English weapons, so they decided to agreed to a treaty of working together. If anything, the warrior race of Maori correctly understood they had already lost the battle and choose to live in peace. They certainly didn't allow Europeans to live here, as they had little choice in the matter.....
@david watson And what do you make that judgement on dickhead? Actually they did make it, maybe not in the states, but shite like Bieber and Bon Jovi did, go back to them!
@Captain Boomer hello Captain, Well, I enjoy your enthusiasm for them anyway. Actually I saw then ive, a few times in the late 70's. My comment was based on , as an ex pat NZer .. what awful dweebs they are. "NZ - a great place to be buried". "NZ - they are all sheep farmers there". What rubbish. My advice , my 2c, would have been .. drop the affected costumes, roll up your sleeves and play. I guess you've checked out all Phil Judd's post Enz stuff? The Swingers. Schnell Fenster etc etc IF not, check it out. Stay cool !
How do you figure they “never made it”? They may not have been the Rolling Stones, but they had more than a few charting hits in several different international markets, and their True Colours, Waiata, and Time And Tide albums sold well. Crowded House fared a bit better, but Split Enz weren’t exactly nobodys. As for “awful”, what exactly would you consider great? That’s subjective. Many people, myself included think they were great.
Split Enz the first New Zealand rockers deserve to be inducted in Rock n Roll Hall of Fame
I know that for many people, getting inducted into the R&RHoF is like this big honor, or status kind of thing, but personally I think that institution is a bad joke, and shouldn’t even exist. There are many others who share my opinion. I actually know a couple of inductees, and they were treated like shit at their induction. What that place really is in reality is nothing more than a money machine that allows music industry scumbags the opportunity to jerk off each other’s egos, while charging $10K a seat for admission, even for family and friends of the bands being inducted.
Personally I think rock and roll doesn’t need a “hall of fame”. It’s music for the people, and always has been. I mean who exactly gets to decide which bands are “worthy” and which ones aren’t? Oh that’s right… sociopathic, soulless industry chicken hawks, that’s who. Besides, a large percentage of inductees aren’t even rock and roll. Pop divas, rappers, and what have you… while actual longtime rock and roll pioneers are largely ignored. It’s all a big farce.
Anyway, that’s the end of my rant. Carry on.
To fucking right they deserve it
A band so far ahead of it's time nobody's caught them yet.
I had the privilige of opening for them with my band on their Dutch tour in june 1981. It was a wonderful experience, they were real kind to us and we were allowed to really take the stage while performing. We could have done the whole European tour, but because of our studies we couldn't...
I already liked the band a lot, but after that even more. I still have signed copies of True Colors and Waiata! :)
That is Cool - What a great experience - Thanks for sharing.
What was your band?
These guys were so ahead of the times with such a unique sound presenting style and class but yet so humble and thankful 🙏 for their motherland.
Tim has a great sense of humour here
I just love them. So witty and down to earth. Amazing band! I saw them in May 82❤
They all screamed for Neil (the younger brother) as he was the lead singer for their biggest hit "I Got You". Neil would later go onto to form Crowded House who had big hits in the USA with "Don't Dream It's Over" and "Something So Strong". Tim would join Crowded House in 1991 and help sing/write hits with Neil (in the UK) with "Weather With You" and "It's Only Natural".
And now Neil is a member of Fleetwood Mac.
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda That is just nuts to me. I’m still trying to wrap my head around it. If someone would have told me back in 1981 that Neil Finn would one day be a member of Fleetwood Mac, I would have laughed in their face and told them to get their head examined. Fate is so bizarre sometimes.
I didn’t know Split Enz was on American Bandstand! They’re one of my favorites! They are *VERY* underrated in the U.S. and should’ve done a heck of a lot better!
I never understood why the radio wouldn’t give them the time of day back then, aside from the occasional and infrequent airing of “I Got You” and “History Never Repeats”. Early MTV was promoting their videos like crazy, but that was a few years before MTV had any pull with FM radio. Yes, so many other great songs that should have been charting hits here in the states. Oh well, at least the Finn brothers finally got some recognition here with Crowded House later on.
I never heard them until finding them on Ytube. In the 70s-80s I listened to the radio all day/night but never heard them or a number of other good 80s songs. Our radio stations were in a stranglehold of corporate music tyrants. Didn't realize how much we missed until I got XM/Siruis radio 15 years ago.
Great interview, respectful intelligent questions. I still remember on the True Colours tour Dionne Warwick introducing them as coming from their NATIVE homeland of Australia before they sang I Hope I Never. Left one very disappointed 12 year old watching at home.
Split Enz were a great band with a very interesting musical history (never repeats!). But by this time they were making great pure pop music and Tim and Neil both have the songwriting gift.
Split Enz, New Zealand’s greatest export (yes, even before Peter Jackson, who is second), MUST be inducted into the RR Hall of fame
Full Stop!
Tim Finn very charming young man here...
Screams for Neil.
Funny , Both Tim and Neil did end up coming home in the end , I hung out at Neil's Roundhead studio on a shoot once it is not from my house and pretty much just down the road here in Auckland
Dick Clark always had such a nice interviewing technique - class personified.
Like Dick Clark their sound never grew old.
Dick Clark never aged. I would pay very good money on ebay for Neil's outfit.
He didn’t age because he ate babies for breakfast every morning. Ed McMahon would secretly feed them to him.
Didn't expect a geopolitical lesson about indigenous new Zealand at the start. Enjoyable though 😆
Never knew they were on Dick Clark. Do remember them on Solid Gold
So funny! I don't know why the girls only scream when Neil is mentioned... (but I love the expression on Nigel's face when they do (ca. 1:00) LOL
U.N. Owen Because Neil is cute 😀
maybe - lead singer, better looking, personality and younger than the other band members, he was about 21 / 22. Age is a big factor. Right age for the teen girls to swoon for. Whereas Tim looks like your uncool geography teacher, looks late 30s with a dad persona.
@@moaningpheromones I don’t know about all that. I think you’re right about the lead singer thing, but there were plenty of girls back then who were crushed out on Tim as well. They’re both good looking guys in their own way. I think a lot of it here in the states had to do with the fact that “I Got You” was their biggest hit here, and Neil sings lead on that one and is prominently featured in the video.
Great interview, classic,
Love that Neil got the screams 🤣
So cute💗💗💗
Dick was obviously a great bloke.
I’ve heard mixed reviews. He definitely presented himself as being very affable.
@@Shikta-poobah67 well he was pissed at John Lyndon and PIL to be saw everyone dancing to music that's really hard to dance too and I guess that's when he finally "got it" and wanted PIL back and started bringing new wave and punk bands on.
Holy crap, i remember watching this!
Wow.. im a 80s kid an had no idea Split Enz were on American Bandstand?! proud kiwi ;)
*Bandstand
What joy!
Love them, seems like yesterday
Ah, the Waiata album - had its colours changed specifically for the North American market. Everywhere else it was brown and black (and in Australia, it was called Corroboree)
Thanks did not know that! So why didn't they call it Powwow for North America?
@@rods6405 That's a darned good idea!
@@rods6405 they should have just called it Braundo' for the American market
@@rods6405 Believe it or not that was pitched to the record label, but they weren’t having it. The idea at the time was that the album title would be different in every country it was released in, using the nation’s indigenous word or words for “song and celebration”, but Australia was the only country that went along with it. It was a very cool idea, but most record labels back then were run by conservative corporate types and they just didn’t get it.
love Split Enz
Tim and Neil are more relaxed on the mic than Dick Smith is
Who is Dick Smith?
Is a Dicksmith like an Aerosmith?
Awesome
Wow cool
Neil certainly played some fine guitars
Well, that aged well
Wow crowded house lider singer
What did Tim call Neil at 1:00? "What a ----" 😁
The description is a bit misleading when it says that rock music is not big in New Zealand. They actually meant that because of the small population, your audience is limited.
I think they also meant that the industry (at least back then) was too small and secluded in NZ to give them the international exposure and promotion that they wanted. In other words, you can either be a big fish in a little pond, or you can go swim in the big ocean with the big fish and have bigger opportunities. It’s probably different today (in NZ), but in the 70’s and early 80’s there just wasn’t much of an industry there.
@@Shikta-poobah67 But rock music was as big as it was anywhere.
Can't wait until these are digitized with modern methods.
How come we only get AB interviews but no songs?
The performances are elsewhere on youtube.
what is with the inverview thing
proud to be a kiwi
3:03 Interest how Clark gives away a script. It seems either Clark or Finn reversed the order of the question/answer.
And the song performance?? Wherrrrrrrrrees the beef?
*BEEEEF!!!*
That's not what I meant (btw I knew that all). It just seems a bit strange that here the girls only scream for one member 'cause from the other American Bandstand videos I've got the impression that they scream for anyone as long as he's in a band, no matter how "unknown" or ugly that guy is.
U.N. Owen Because Neil was by far the cutest! At least me and my friends thought so.
It’s because they were holding up placards off camera for people to scream as soon as Neil was introduced. That’s showbiz. Jesus told me so. I like salad. Just ate a nice salad.
The interview segments were usually dead awkward.
I like how big brother Tim stole the interview from little brother Neil.
I guess because it was his band !
Were musicians even that pretentious back in the 80's! Love their music!
Pretentious musicians date back many centuries. The 80’s were but a blip in the timeline.
Waiata was a mistake so soon after True Colours
How so? They were released almost a year apart, which was pretty standard in those days.
Chur Whānau
I played in a band which covered this. I had no idea they were Australasian.
Only had one Australian member at the very end on drums. A kiwi band, note the NZ on Split Enz. Crowded House fair to call Australasian. Cool that you covered one of their songs.
Covered what? All I see here is an interview.
they don't seem particularly happy to be there...
With Dick Clark making comments like NZ being a "difficult place to make a living," I think they're being awfully patient.
That’s showbiz. AB in those days was kind of the ultimate showcase for up and coming bands, and the show’s format was very regimented and rigid. You have to remember, this was still the era of lip-syncing/miming to pre-recorded tracks, and I can tell you right now as a longtime musician that has to be the most uncomfortable and awkward thing ever, especially with a bunch of cameras and lights in your face and knowing that millions of viewers are watching you. Dick Clark was typically an affable host, but he was the living, breathing epitome of *SHOWBIZ*
Peter Jacksons begs to differ Neil.
There is in fact no reason to leave NZ other than for a holiday. Young people leave because they have the misconception Neil had and probably still has (thats why theyre still leaving in 2022)
Stick around and put in the work, instead of jetting off, maybe the country will thrive. Its good enough here for immigrants occupying space you left, dont see why its not good enough for you.
As an American trapped on what I liken to a sinking ship, I would cut off a limb if it meant I could gain citizenship in NZ. Compared to the U.S. these days, you guys have it *VERY* good. However this was 1981, and I think things may have been a bit different back then.
It’s 5 million, not 3...🤦
It was 3 million back then. And 70 million sheep.
This is from 1981
Neil hates NZ for the same reasons I hate NZ 40 years later.
Nah, he still lives there.
Based on what I’ve read in interviews, he never hated NZ. Quite the opposite actually, but as a career musician (especially in the 70’s and 80’s) it was such a tiny music industry market, and it was extremely frustrating and defeating trying to make things happen for your band. That’s why they left early on for Australia and then the UK. You go where the opportunities are. Anyway, as someone else has pointed out here, Neil (and I think Tim and the others as well) now live back there again, so that’s got to count for something.
Shame they had go through these awful interviews 😂
Tim's wrong!...The English government decided to change it's usual dominant tactics, and agreed to a contract to live in harmony with the current inhabitants of the islands (The Moriori were the original inhabitants of New Zealand before the Maori arrived and systematically massacred and ate them all)
The Maori realised they were going to be wiped out by the superior English weapons, so they decided to agreed to a treaty of working together. If anything, the warrior race of Maori correctly understood they had already lost the battle and choose to live in peace.
They certainly didn't allow Europeans to live here, as they had little choice in the matter.....
No wonder they never made it. Awful.
@david watson And what do you make that judgement on dickhead? Actually they did make it, maybe not in the states, but shite like Bieber and Bon Jovi did, go back to them!
@Captain Boomer hello Captain, Well, I enjoy your enthusiasm for them anyway. Actually I saw then ive, a few times in the late 70's. My comment was based on , as an ex pat NZer .. what awful dweebs they are. "NZ - a great place to be buried". "NZ - they are all sheep farmers there". What rubbish.
My advice , my 2c, would have been .. drop the affected costumes, roll up your sleeves and play.
I guess you've checked out all Phil Judd's post Enz stuff? The Swingers. Schnell Fenster etc etc IF not, check it out.
Stay cool !
@@thrusta100 : I think it's sarcasm mate.
@@davidwatson oh no an NZer expressed mild sarcastic criticism of their home country...
How do you figure they “never made it”? They may not have been the Rolling Stones, but they had more than a few charting hits in several different international markets, and their True Colours, Waiata, and Time And Tide albums sold well. Crowded House fared a bit better, but Split Enz weren’t exactly nobodys.
As for “awful”, what exactly would you consider great? That’s subjective. Many people, myself included think they were great.