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Please, never stop making these, its genuinely the most entertaining Counter Strike podcast I've ever listened too. It doesn't matter if points are a bit exaggerated because it makes it so much more fun and brings out so many funny reactions out of all of you three. Keep it up!
He said that he could do what Ultimate does on CT side since they just run to your crosshair, quite an idiotic take but they are on-air for hours and therefore they are bound so say something stupid from time to time. @@nofluffagain
Maui’s take about ZywOo is true. Sometimes being too humble makes you selfish because you’re locking your potential that can push others around to more success.
niko pulling off ALMOST donk numbers for a month and being the best player in the world just confirms that deep down everyone believes donk > m0nesy for the first 6 months of the year
i love thorin saying blast means nothing and no one cares about it, then two months later when navi bombs out, suddenly it's "the cracks are starting to show in navi" even tho they literally just won the previous event
I remember interview with Yekindar when he was saying that, back then he was skinny guy and he was actually playing well on vp. Now he got fat and started playing shit. 100% agree with Maui
didnt thorin also said that "im doubling down and navi's ewc win also a fluke" in his video about navi winning ewc. now he is saying they are playing so good right now and they are a top 3 team. then how the hell top 3 team winning a tier 1 event is a fluke by any means? he said b1t did overperform and will not keep it up, guess what b1t is keeping the same form since player break. sometimes its good to chew your ego and admit you are wrong old man
@@Kenobeno he said that shit 3 weeks ago what are you talking about? did navi win cologne to change his mind or did they dominate blast group to change his mind? no none of that happened, they actually havent played against a top 5 team since ewc. so what do you think has magically change his mind, enlighten me when you stop sucking thorins cock. he also said navi is not gonna win any tournament after major with this line up and guess what they won but he didnt say i was wrong when they won ewc.He just called it another fluke because of his fragile ego.
@@martineden35 major winner supposed to be the best team right? That's the logic NaVi now is much better than they were in the major. Which means either they underperformed or other teams did which kinda makes major win a fluke
Snaptap is literally something that will make you instantly play better. Its quite obvious when someone hasnt tried it or even null binds, they try to down play it and say its nothing crazy or its the end of the world. In my opinion it just makes the game feel much more consistent and how the game is intended to feel but we were limited by hardware prior excluding null binds. I think snaptap is a good thing and it definitely helps you play better. First bullet accuracy is fucking insanity with it.
Hm don't know, some pros are saying it messes up their movement a bit when they're playing more aggressively. It's possible that because they were forced to adapt to how shitty CS2 movement is, they get confused when having basically perfect strafing
Thorin said that ultimate is whatever because he holds angles on ct people walk into him and Thorin himself can do it. But he also said that shiro is amazing because he holds angle and kills everyone. He is so petty I cant take him seriously. If he likes someone he will defend them to the end of times no matter what, if he dislikes someone he will use every opportunity to trash them
I dont know who owns this channel, but you three should make like a half hour off topic banter series... That last bit about kebab sounded like a start of the episode. Would be interesting to hear hot takes on real life, but i see how that would also be food for reddit goblins.
Okay tbf from everything ive seen online Mithr actually seems like a decent coach tbf. Apeks kept qualifying for stuff when they really shouldn't under him. SAW is insane, but MithR catching strays even though hes fine xD
Throwing a way a lead like Liquid did on that mirage was just some beautifully orchestrated NA chocking at it's finest. You can change the players in Liquid but you can't take the choke out of Liquid
i will give it to kassad that sh1ro's impact on t side is quite literally no where unless he wins the clutch or is in a 2vx post plant where he gets an awp multikill (also how spirit set him up so its not even sh1ro's fault), but his ct side impact is good, he can lock down bombsites all on his own (something zywoo cant do since he doesnt awp especially on a map like anubis where all the best awpers are locking down sites with the awp) sh1ro's impact is winning clutches, securing post plant and also secondary calling, that call against vitality on anubis you were all raving about was not chopper but indeed sh1ro, listen to the comms video spirit uploaded, thats the proof
@@laurentiumocacoca175Why is that a known fact? The team who has never had a great igl is losing to Navi 8 games in a row while having the best individual players in the world.
bout time you call out Yakindar! some analysts overhype some guys like super crazy and now they sit in top teams dragging team down and not being called out.
Yekindar took over IGL at the Major in March, then nitr0 announced he was leaving before Dallas. And using the nuance Thorin used for Nertz, they cannot kick Yekindar because then they lose their spot at the Major. Oh and TL is based in Europe already, 4 of their 5 players live there.
The nertz and yekindar swap wouldn’t be bad that sounds pretty reasonable. I know the buy outs would be insane and gotta wait until the next major to see where things go but that would interesting
All kassad had to do to prove his point was say if sprit meet mouz, vitality, faze or maybe g2 in the quarters that they'll lose. Not saying I agree with that, but that's a pretty easy way to get your point across. There's only one way to get into top 4 and that's win a quarterfinal but it seems that kassad didn't really believe his own take and was just doing it for the show which is fair enough, the segment was entertaining.
He said it at 1:12:38: "You have G2 on top of their form, then Vitality playing well, then Mouz, NAVI and maybe Faze" It got a bit disregarded because Thorin interrupts him with this nonsense honeymoon counter point (none of these teams except maybe G2 are having a honeymoon, they're all 1-year old rosters or close to be)
i agree with the jame take but the only concern is a lack of good russian igls. there are plenty of good russian awpers but because i personally no longer rate jerry and no universe your gonna get Boombl4 or chopper, the options are paper thin.
Went from: this team liquid will never win a game, to: they will never make a final. When they win a trophy he'll say: TL will never win twice in a row...etc...
you are actually spreading misinformation because you are a silly hater, he said never win a a trophy.. what kinda idiot would say they never win a game.
I love TL but what happened yesterday is just abomination of choke job that I've ever seen, you just need 1 round. 1 FCCCCking round. So that take might be legit but I would love to be wrong (copium).
@@HiDDeulgi i agree, it was disgraceful. But in the bigger picture, it's one half of one game. The team is on the right path i believe, not much you can do when Faze wakes up and decides you are losing the game. As a whole i am still looking forward to thr future and i will have high expectations for this team in 3-6 months
I will never understand why Thorin loves BlameF, so much. He is one of the biggest non-wining, High stats player I have ever seen. At some point, it needs to stop being BlameF's team's fault and need to start being BlameF's fault. After Yekinder, Thorin needs to revisit BlameF's impact on success of a team.
@@laurentiumocacoca175 Considering how easy it is to detect it, it's going to be interesting to see how they tackle it. I don't think players will be punished. But they can definitely lower the trust factor.
I understand the reason they did not went for him but Liquid letting malbs slip away to G2 without even putting up a fight for him is a criminal offense. Imagine Malbs instead of Yekindar .. oh boy
At dallas he was igling mate, of course it is gonna tank his stats. I am also like pretty sure he didn't use snap tap if you are going to believe the reddit posts.
Hot take: Nertz is very good, but a bit overrated at this point. He basically has free reign on Heroic and is posting a 1.1 rating. If we're going at Yekindar for expected rating in aggro rifler positions, shouldn't Nertz be held to that standard? I know he has a good impact rating, but so does Yekindar. Nertz is 25 years old, too, so it's not like you're grabbing Xertion who could still get better. Nertz is probably at his peek right now. If I'm gunning for a star rifler and I'm TL, it's so obvious to get Elige. The fans would go crazy for that. I think Yekindar is a bit overhated at this point. He's still in the same scenario on TL where he's stuck with passive players on T-side in Naf(let's not pretend Naf mac-10'ing noobs means he's Elige now) and JKS and he's still capable of having games where his aim carries him. I think Yekindar has turned into a player carried too hard by his aim and when it's not on, he doesn't have the confidence to play aggressively. If he's not hitting headshots, he massively struggles. For example, he has a 59% HS kill ratio while Niko is at 57%.
Zywoo has said on interviews that he doesnt enjoy awping as much as rifling, he prob just doesnt want to awp most of the time even though he is insane at it.
@@jR0xass1mple said it but he absolutely loved using the AWP. Sometimes you see ZywOo just refusing to AWP. It’s getting more and more prominent every year and CS2 ain’t helping with that problem.
Liquid will always be held back by the inconsistency of their entry on yeki. I really do believe outside of crazy HLTV commenter takes like “go get donk” or “go get m0nesy” I think they should be trying to get ELIGE back. My personal dream would be rain. Holy hell a consistent pair of hands like rain on entry would probably make this the strongest team in the game on paper outside of ultimate who has shown to be no slouch so far
Thorin...they beat Navi twice in a week. Just cause you don't care about blast because they never hired you doesn't mean that all accounts for nothing hahah
Thorin has moved the goal posts regarding the fluke thing so much already that the word has lost all meaning. There never was a relevant tournament where the format, brackets, form on the day, pressure and pressure tolerance weren't a deciding factor on who wins in the end. It has nothing to do with luck, when it's inevitable that the winning team will have some combination of these factors on their side. Taking the opportunity that presents itself and making the most of it is what winners do. You can play badly and still win if you get lucky. But if you play well and win based on that, it has nothing to do with luck even if you haven't played as well in some other less important games.
@moke23 thorin agrees , the fluke is that they weren't the best team for say a few tournaments in a row. Cloud9 was the best team in Boston, doesn't mean that it wasnt a fluke for them to be the best team for an entire playoffs length vs the best teams and especially faze who always toyed with cloud9. Navis win was a fluke because their players werent there yet, they were taking turns having star performances, and sometimes there was no star just an amazing system. Recently navi has had atleast 1 star usually atleast 2 shining at a time, their players have seemingly developed and their recent success seems like it can be maintained and repeated, aka not a fluke.
NaVi major win was fluke because they are playing much better now. Which means either they underperformed during major or other teams did. Spirit was much better than them during the major it's a shame that they lost to FaZe under pressure
@@Tobygas no it doesn't mean their opponents played poorly , it means that navi being THAT good wasn't the norm. They didn't have the player power. For Christ's sake b1ts miracle map against faze was a miracle then, NOW he pulls maps like those pretty consistently
What I don't understand about the NAVI fluke topic is this: Isn't every team winning the major before winning tournaments a fluke win? So the major win of LG was a fluke since they didnt do shit after their major? They were literally a Top 6 Team before the major win. I dont think NAVI's Major win was the most likely outcome but at this point I would like to know from Thorin what a team can do to not have a Fluke Major win if its their first
if g2 wins its a fluke, honeymoon, others were not prepared for new roster if navi win its a fluke, they got lucky spirit went out else they would beat navi if faze win, its a fluke, games were too close, they are running out of steam and should still make roster changes if vitality wins, its a fluke, they usually choke, just got convenient opponent that couldn't press them hard enough, kick mezi
What is to understand is that Thorin never admits that he was wrong. He just found a twisted phrasing to not admit that this NAVI major win was not a fluke: "they've just become much better individually, the calling and round planning is better, it's basically not the same team it was in March." L4ME!
@@eckowezen God forbid a team can work on themselves and be better. The major was a fluke because they overperformed above their level AROUND THAT TIME.
I really really like the yekindar for nertz. This is a really underrated move. I love it tbh Nertz is gonna burnout with heroic. He needs to be on a team exactly like liquid
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If we saw Kassad on the street, you wouldnt be able to convince me he is not a car mechanic.
I not we. And how do you even tell a car mechanic when one is not dirty?
Are you out of your f*ing mind?
@@cocrush8470 Black cap, full beard, and looks strong.
Same for RPK
"LOL" literally
Please, never stop making these, its genuinely the most entertaining Counter Strike podcast I've ever listened too.
It doesn't matter if points are a bit exaggerated because it makes it so much more fun and brings out so many funny reactions out of all of you three.
Keep it up!
Thorin saying he could be Ultimate is probably the most insane take he’s ever had
then immediately backing down on the arrogance when the others bugged him up 😂
That's not what he said but go off
He said that he could do what Ultimate does on CT side since they just run to your crosshair, quite an idiotic take but they are on-air for hours and therefore they are bound so say something stupid from time to time. @@nofluffagain
hyperbole is dead
Because he beat a guy who is *checks notes* Fallen
😂
1:10:01 LMAOOOOOO, no way i just heard that😭
least unhinged thorin reference
Thorin unleashed
Maui’s take about ZywOo is true. Sometimes being too humble makes you selfish because you’re locking your potential that can push others around to more success.
The spit roast comment had my coworkers looking at me funny laughing my ass off at my desk 😂😂
58:30 nearly choked on my food when thorin said that lol
niko pulling off ALMOST donk numbers for a month and being the best player in the world just confirms that deep down everyone believes donk > m0nesy for the first 6 months of the year
NIKO GOAT COME TO BLEED
Are you completely out of your mind??
Do you understand the concept of a hot take?
@@tristan_mp r/woooosh
@@tristan_mp I hate Hot Takes when they seem forced, like in basketball media.
@@MrPek-fe9fpI mean, isn’t manufacturing and forcing hot takes the point of the show?
@@CONM0S yes. And thats what I hate
1:04:24 he actually only named two players 🤣🤣🤣
That whole sequence was a deflection masterclass from Kassad
Reminds me when he said that faze wasn’t a top 5 team and he could only name like 2-3 teams better than them
i love thorin saying blast means nothing and no one cares about it, then two months later when navi bombs out, suddenly it's "the cracks are starting to show in navi" even tho they literally just won the previous event
lmao that last take NOT coming from kassad was unexpected
1:04:17 has to go down as a legendary HTPM moment 😭😂
alongside discussing if Kassad would fire his dad if he played bad counter-strike
Maui reacts like his parents are fighting
Maui falling out of his chair at Thorin's outrageous reference...
This is hands down the best HTPM episode ever, gj guys 😅
Pleasure to have the gang back. Sweet episode as always.
Watching Mom and Dad fight every episode is becoming such a beloved past time for us in the community
I’m enjoying the new episodic Thorin and Kassad heated debates LOL.
nah man 34:00 fkn killed me, i was on the floor laughing
I remember interview with Yekindar when he was saying that, back then he was skinny guy and he was actually playing well on vp. Now he got fat and started playing shit. 100% agree with Maui
didnt thorin also said that "im doubling down and navi's ewc win also a fluke" in his video about navi winning ewc. now he is saying they are playing so good right now and they are a top 3 team. then how the hell top 3 team winning a tier 1 event is a fluke by any means? he said b1t did overperform and will not keep it up, guess what b1t is keeping the same form since player break. sometimes its good to chew your ego and admit you are wrong old man
absolute moron
Changing your mind is proof that you have one, not like you guys would get that. You think having the same opinion for way to Long is good.
@@Kenobeno he said that shit 3 weeks ago what are you talking about? did navi win cologne to change his mind or did they dominate blast group to change his mind? no none of that happened, they actually havent played against a top 5 team since ewc. so what do you think has magically change his mind, enlighten me when you stop sucking thorins cock. he also said navi is not gonna win any tournament after major with this line up and guess what they won but he didnt say i was wrong when they won ewc.He just called it another fluke because of his fragile ego.
@@martineden35 major winner supposed to be the best team right? That's the logic NaVi now is much better than they were in the major. Which means either they underperformed or other teams did which kinda makes major win a fluke
@@Styr1N im talking about ewc win. he said ewc is a fluke.
Snaptap is literally something that will make you instantly play better. Its quite obvious when someone hasnt tried it or even null binds, they try to down play it and say its nothing crazy or its the end of the world. In my opinion it just makes the game feel much more consistent and how the game is intended to feel but we were limited by hardware prior excluding null binds. I think snaptap is a good thing and it definitely helps you play better. First bullet accuracy is fucking insanity with it.
Valve has started tracking it now.
Hm don't know, some pros are saying it messes up their movement a bit when they're playing more aggressively. It's possible that because they were forced to adapt to how shitty CS2 movement is, they get confused when having basically perfect strafing
@LshowKnows i could for sure see how it could mess with peoples air strafes.
@@TYLERLOVESBMX1 it s already gone kekw
favorite show in CS hands down
Thorin said that ultimate is whatever because he holds angles on ct people walk into him and Thorin himself can do it. But he also said that shiro is amazing because he holds angle and kills everyone. He is so petty I cant take him seriously. If he likes someone he will defend them to the end of times no matter what, if he dislikes someone he will use every opportunity to trash them
If you gonna go for the snap tap argument there’s a bunch of other players that are using snap tap but they are just not as good lol
I dont know who owns this channel, but you three should make like a half hour off topic banter series... That last bit about kebab sounded like a start of the episode. Would be interesting to hear hot takes on real life, but i see how that would also be food for reddit goblins.
Okay tbf from everything ive seen online Mithr actually seems like a decent coach tbf. Apeks kept qualifying for stuff when they really shouldn't under him. SAW is insane, but MithR catching strays even though hes fine xD
Throwing a way a lead like Liquid did on that mirage was just some beautifully orchestrated NA chocking at it's finest. You can change the players in Liquid but you can't take the choke out of Liquid
Yekindar got grilled on this one lmao
1:10:00 one of the wildest things said on a show in a long time.
Get yeki’s A$$ IN THE DOJO 😂
i will give it to kassad that sh1ro's impact on t side is quite literally no where unless he wins the clutch or is in a 2vx post plant where he gets an awp multikill (also how spirit set him up so its not even sh1ro's fault), but his ct side impact is good, he can lock down bombsites all on his own (something zywoo cant do since he doesnt awp especially on a map like anubis where all the best awpers are locking down sites with the awp)
sh1ro's impact is winning clutches, securing post plant and also secondary calling, that call against vitality on anubis you were all raving about was not chopper but indeed sh1ro, listen to the comms video spirit uploaded, thats the proof
Thorin's smile fading as he lowers Maui’s volume 😂
Holy shit! I was waiting for this episode. Not hot enough tho looking at the timestamps! Maybe I am wrong xD
Maybe the "you don't need a good IGL in MR12" take, but I think that it is a known fact.
@@laurentiumocacoca175Why is that a known fact? The team who has never had a great igl is losing to Navi 8 games in a row while having the best individual players in the world.
@@idontthinkso5966 it is mostly bc of the structure, not calling. It is extremely way easier to steamroll rn.
Amazingly hilarious as always. Cheers, guys!
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Why didnt you mention that ultimate is also a sick rifler
bout time you call out Yakindar! some analysts overhype some guys like super crazy and now they sit in top teams dragging team down and not being called out.
Yekindar took over IGL at the Major in March, then nitr0 announced he was leaving before Dallas.
And using the nuance Thorin used for Nertz, they cannot kick Yekindar because then they lose their spot at the Major.
Oh and TL is based in Europe already, 4 of their 5 players live there.
You actually don't understand where you should put comma's in a sentence so you might aswell stop using them.
@@dutchea dude relax, there was two stray commas because i reworded some things.
I fixed them so you don't get an aneurysm.
Liquid getting cooked in the first 30 minutes with back to back hot takes. You love to see it
Maui needs to get a referral code with this smaptap shit 😂
The kebab segment at the end was the hottest take this entire episode hahaha
LMAOOO, funniest episode ever
We were so close to Maui's apology. Curse you Karrigan
The nertz and yekindar swap wouldn’t be bad that sounds pretty reasonable. I know the buy outs would be insane and gotta wait until the next major to see where things go but that would interesting
this show is a strong contender for best cs show of all time
watching this because I don't want a fulfilling live. I'm out here radiating myself with 9x cancer rays
I love to love the show
Hally not only fucked up the veto at the major, but also at IEM Dallas against Vitality.
All kassad had to do to prove his point was say if sprit meet mouz, vitality, faze or maybe g2 in the quarters that they'll lose. Not saying I agree with that, but that's a pretty easy way to get your point across. There's only one way to get into top 4 and that's win a quarterfinal but it seems that kassad didn't really believe his own take and was just doing it for the show which is fair enough, the segment was entertaining.
He said it at 1:12:38: "You have G2 on top of their form, then Vitality playing well, then Mouz, NAVI and maybe Faze"
It got a bit disregarded because Thorin interrupts him with this nonsense honeymoon counter point (none of these teams except maybe G2 are having a honeymoon, they're all 1-year old rosters or close to be)
when thorin started talking ab stabbi and fucking girlfriends I could only think of swisher 🤣
2:48 XD I THOUGHT ABOUT THE SAME THING AS MAUI (2:37 start)
i agree with the jame take but the only concern is a lack of good russian igls.
there are plenty of good russian awpers but because i personally no longer rate jerry and no universe your gonna get Boombl4 or chopper, the options are paper thin.
This is my favorite CS podcast. LFN CS podcast is goated in general. Thanks
Went from: this team liquid will never win a game, to: they will never make a final.
When they win a trophy he'll say: TL will never win twice in a row...etc...
you are actually spreading misinformation because you are a silly hater, he said never win a a trophy.. what kinda idiot would say they never win a game.
I love TL but what happened yesterday is just abomination of choke job that I've ever seen, you just need 1 round. 1 FCCCCking round. So that take might be legit but I would love to be wrong (copium).
it's like with NaVi
@@chandlerbing2636 another person spreading mis information!! watch out people
@@HiDDeulgi i agree, it was disgraceful. But in the bigger picture, it's one half of one game. The team is on the right path i believe, not much you can do when Faze wakes up and decides you are losing the game.
As a whole i am still looking forward to thr future and i will have high expectations for this team in 3-6 months
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I will never understand why Thorin loves BlameF, so much. He is one of the biggest non-wining, High stats player I have ever seen.
At some point, it needs to stop being BlameF's team's fault and need to start being BlameF's fault. After Yekinder, Thorin needs to revisit BlameF's impact on success of a team.
HTPM is BTN tier of entertainment
1:09:55 wtf 💀
Btw Snap-Tap buff is real. Look at SAW, iM, Niko, Hunter, JL. They all started playing better since playing with Snap-Tap!
Its feels how CS was intended to feel. It sure does feel good
Valve has started tracking it. Let's see what they do
@@sitaro1207 if they allowed it, they cannot punish the players now. Only ban the gear in the future.
@@laurentiumocacoca175 Considering how easy it is to detect it, it's going to be interesting to see how they tackle it. I don't think players will be punished. But they can definitely lower the trust factor.
@@sitaro1207 Maybe they will try to see the effects on the gameplay so they can recreate that CS:GO feeling
thorin was cooking kassad with that spirit top 4 take 😭😭
I understand the reason they did not went for him but Liquid letting malbs slip away to G2 without even putting up a fight for him is a criminal offense. Imagine Malbs instead of Yekindar .. oh boy
Snap tap came out after Niko's stats went up. look at Dallas and ewc, bro maui look at the timeline
He had a lower rating at Dallas than both events he used Snap Tap already
At dallas he was igling mate, of course it is gonna tank his stats. I am also like pretty sure he didn't use snap tap if you are going to believe the reddit posts.
Love how everyone is yapping about snaptap when wooting has had rapid trigger (same thing) before snap tap ever existed and no one said anything lol
Are you wearing your t-shirt inside out Thorin?
ahaha switching at 5:27 :D
Love that i love the show
Elige or Xantares for Yekindar would be amazing.
1:28:50 NiKo is not Serbian and I think he wouldn’t appreciate it if you’d say that to him like most people from Bosnia Albania etc definitely don’t..
Niko is Serbian who were born in Bosnia, so he is Serbian
4 takes in a row just flaming Liquid 😭😭😭
Just in time for a 90 minute flight. Thanks!
blud´s gonna shit his pants when liquid gets to the final
I'm not a big yekindar fan or anything but he looked way better the last two events
This liquid roster has been together all of what? A month and a half? Thorin has wetbrain.
say one more bad word about cabbage, I dare u 35:00
ofc maui thinking off topic on that mando advert .
Maui reading a AI generated script of this Zywoo criticism
Ouch, snap tap gone and so are jump-binds.
Niko is Terminator with Snap Tap in his hands 😀😀
GOATED EPISODE
didnt we glaze jame not too long ago
My hot take that donk will never win a major in his entire career is still going strong.
Hot take: Nertz is very good, but a bit overrated at this point. He basically has free reign on Heroic and is posting a 1.1 rating. If we're going at Yekindar for expected rating in aggro rifler positions, shouldn't Nertz be held to that standard? I know he has a good impact rating, but so does Yekindar. Nertz is 25 years old, too, so it's not like you're grabbing Xertion who could still get better. Nertz is probably at his peek right now. If I'm gunning for a star rifler and I'm TL, it's so obvious to get Elige. The fans would go crazy for that.
I think Yekindar is a bit overhated at this point. He's still in the same scenario on TL where he's stuck with passive players on T-side in Naf(let's not pretend Naf mac-10'ing noobs means he's Elige now) and JKS and he's still capable of having games where his aim carries him. I think Yekindar has turned into a player carried too hard by his aim and when it's not on, he doesn't have the confidence to play aggressively. If he's not hitting headshots, he massively struggles. For example, he has a 59% HS kill ratio while Niko is at 57%.
1:02:30 goddamn i agree with kassad for once
The Niko take start was funny as shit
Omg the terminator take was great too LOL
Epic episode
Best content ever!!
36:40 you up xD
27*
How is it a dunk on someone to tell him to name awpers better than shiro when he called him boring.
lmfao at the dark humor of doubling down like America
Zywoo has said on interviews that he doesnt enjoy awping as much as rifling, he prob just doesnt want to awp most of the time even though he is insane at it.
He's just like s1mple in that sense. They were both forced onto it just because they're the best players.
@@jR0xass1mple said it but he absolutely loved using the AWP. Sometimes you see ZywOo just refusing to AWP. It’s getting more and more prominent every year and CS2 ain’t helping with that problem.
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Liquid will always be held back by the inconsistency of their entry on yeki. I really do believe outside of crazy HLTV commenter takes like “go get donk” or “go get m0nesy” I think they should be trying to get ELIGE back. My personal dream would be rain. Holy hell a consistent pair of hands like rain on entry would probably make this the strongest team in the game on paper outside of ultimate who has shown to be no slouch so far
Thorin...they beat Navi twice in a week. Just cause you don't care about blast because they never hired you doesn't mean that all accounts for nothing hahah
Thorin has moved the goal posts regarding the fluke thing so much already that the word has lost all meaning. There never was a relevant tournament where the format, brackets, form on the day, pressure and pressure tolerance weren't a deciding factor on who wins in the end. It has nothing to do with luck, when it's inevitable that the winning team will have some combination of these factors on their side.
Taking the opportunity that presents itself and making the most of it is what winners do. You can play badly and still win if you get lucky. But if you play well and win based on that, it has nothing to do with luck even if you haven't played as well in some other less important games.
Real. Navi weren't dominant but they were the best team at Copenhagen other than maybe spirit who choked
@moke23 thorin agrees , the fluke is that they weren't the best team for say a few tournaments in a row.
Cloud9 was the best team in Boston, doesn't mean that it wasnt a fluke for them to be the best team for an entire playoffs length vs the best teams and especially faze who always toyed with cloud9.
Navis win was a fluke because their players werent there yet, they were taking turns having star performances, and sometimes there was no star just an amazing system.
Recently navi has had atleast 1 star usually atleast 2 shining at a time, their players have seemingly developed and their recent success seems like it can be maintained and repeated, aka not a fluke.
NaVi major win was fluke because they are playing much better now. Which means either they underperformed during major or other teams did. Spirit was much better than them during the major it's a shame that they lost to FaZe under pressure
@@Styr1N So why did they win then? Doesn't that mean that everyone played like shit? Whoever wins Copenhagen gets called a fluke win?
@@Tobygas no it doesn't mean their opponents played poorly , it means that navi being THAT good wasn't the norm. They didn't have the player power. For Christ's sake b1ts miracle map against faze was a miracle then, NOW he pulls maps like those pretty consistently
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What I don't understand about the NAVI fluke topic is this: Isn't every team winning the major before winning tournaments a fluke win? So the major win of LG was a fluke since they didnt do shit after their major? They were literally a Top 6 Team before the major win.
I dont think NAVI's Major win was the most likely outcome but at this point I would like to know from Thorin what a team can do to not have a Fluke Major win if its their first
if g2 wins its a fluke, honeymoon, others were not prepared for new roster
if navi win its a fluke, they got lucky spirit went out else they would beat navi
if faze win, its a fluke, games were too close, they are running out of steam and should still make roster changes
if vitality wins, its a fluke, they usually choke, just got convenient opponent that couldn't press them hard enough, kick mezi
Win by dominating your enemies. Like spirit did in their maiden win, nobody called that tournament a fluke.
@@navox933 turns out that kato win was the biggest fluke.
What is to understand is that Thorin never admits that he was wrong. He just found a twisted phrasing to not admit that this NAVI major win was not a fluke: "they've just become much better individually, the calling and round planning is better, it's basically not the same team it was in March."
L4ME!
@@eckowezen God forbid a team can work on themselves and be better. The major was a fluke because they overperformed above their level AROUND THAT TIME.
Damn Heroic better than TL, that is a Hot Take!!
Literally kassads shiro take is as egregious as saying tim duncan isnt good because hes boring
I really really like the yekindar for nertz.
This is a really underrated move. I love it tbh
Nertz is gonna burnout with heroic. He needs to be on a team exactly like liquid