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Sterling by Musicman Sub Ray 4 | All You Need to Know! | Review and Demo
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- In this video I show you all you need to know about the Sterling by Musicman Sub Ray 4 in collaboration with Langley Guitar Centre, UK.
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It’s funny I was watching this review 3 days ago and here I am now sitting with this same guitar in my hands. I love it.
That's the way to do it! Enjoy it! T
Hahahah!! Nice!! Nothing like a musicman!!
Hahaha! It’s not a guitar. 🙄
@@ChezzOnBass😂😂
Anyone that owns it...are the frets stainless steel?
Interesting video. Watching this one and several others seduced me into buying one of these in gloss cream color and then a 4 HH with maple neck in red. Now, I'm ancient, a retiree on the far side of 70 and my last gig was in March 1979, many moons ago. However, I still find playing a bass rather soothing, though I had a hiatus of about 30 years after my last gig before I started fooling with my basses again. When I quit gigging back in the age of dinosaurs, the MM basses were becoming popular, though they were derided then as being the "toilet seat" bass, due to the shape of the pickguard on the body. Always wanted one but I could not justify the cost and the Sterling line has allowed me to indulge myself after all this time. I can only marvel at the quality of these instruments, the ease of playing, and the sounds I can get. Let me say that I played in an era before slap became really popular so my idiom is merely fingerpicking and the sound I like is old school, far from the excessively trebly sound of contemporary slap. I do marvel at the skill and technique I see with the slap idiom but it's not me, but fiddling with these basses and the amp tones, I find a can get something close to an old school tone approaching the Fender Tele Bass sound, but more defined. These basses are an excellent bang for the buck and I can only wish I had something this good when I started once upon a time. Well, you give a good demo of the sounds of the Sterling and for that, I thank you as you helped to persuade me to get my 2 Sterlings and let me just say that, "they don't make 'em like they used to": they make 'em better now. Well done.
I am considering buying my first bass. The look of the Stingray style attracted me at first. The sound is amazing and seems versatile.
Do you think the HH version is preferable over the single humbucker Ray4?
Someone in my area is selling a Ray4HH, asking $300.
I'm new to bass. I've playing guitar for about 50 years. I decided to venture into the bass arena and bought this bass about 3 weeks ago and so far I'm loving it. I love the full sound of the humbucker. Thanks for another great review!
I'm glad you're enjoying the journey, and your Sub! Thank you for watching, I really appreciate it, and the kind words! T
i just bought this. very easy to play. i was surprised how light it was. it looks and plays great.
Just picked that exact bass up today played a ton of fenders twice the price and this just has a little something extra plays, sounds and feels excellent
The SubRay bass is worth buying but you will probably end up changing the electronics/pickup if you are gigging often. They run extremely hot with slight distortion depending on pickup height. I had Sterling replace my electronic harness with an upgraded design. In addition, I added an Ernie Ball bridge mute kit, and buffed out the satin finish to glossy with an expensive car polish, looks & sounds great at a small cost.
Absolutely! As a platform to build on and effectively finish off, you can’t lose at this price.
finger 7:28
pick 9:05
slap 11:00
Thanks!
This is an awesome bass ! In my experience, this is the best ' low end ' bass on the market .
Wow! Thank you so much for your feedback, i have had my eye on this SUB for about 2 years now.. the more I see and hear and the reviews on this model, the more I want 1.. I'm actually loving the this walnut colour.. Ouuzes class! ❤❤❤ xxx
About 5 years ago I was looking on my local Craigslist ads and I seen one of these listed for $100. I contacted the guy immediately. He wanted to meet right then. Luckily I wasn't busy and said ok. He acted all weird and rushed. Like he was in a hurry. The bass didn't look new but it was in great shape (no knicks or scratches). I paid and took the bass home. Because the price was low and the guy was strange, I checked out the serial number to make sure it wasn't listed as stolen. All was well. Maybe he was selling it for drugs. I hope not. I still have that bass today and it is awesome!
Love this story.
Thank you for this!!! Very informative! Total newbie to playing the bass and this bass guitar was the one I picked... not knowing anything!!!
No problem at all! I hope you enjoy the journey! Any more questions, just let me know! T
This is an absolutely perfect demo! Thank you
Thank you for watching and the sound words - i really appreciate it! T
I had this bass. As much as I loved its design and play-ability, it never sounded good in a full band mix no matter what I did to it. No amount of EQ could fix it. It always got buried in the mix, and if I raised the volume it would drown out everything else like a loud fart. I sold it and got a Jazz Bass and I couldn't have been more satisfied. The tone of the Jazz Bass sits so perfectly with other instruments; I barely have to do anything.
I could see that! Fenders just fit so well into what we know as the sounds of modern music. Makes life so much easier. I’ll be grabbing a Fender style instrument 90% of the time and no one has ever said “that’s wrong for this style”. They just work! T
It is a 300 bucks bass.. can’t expect it to sound like a 1000 bucks jazz bass I guess.. what about a sterling ? It is the same price range, maybe the sound is killer
@@sharr3766 The jazz bass I replaced it with is a Squier! Vintage Modified series, so about the same price! And it just sounded so much better. I have since come to realise that single coil pickups output at a frequency range that better suit most mixes, compared to a Stingray pickup.
@@nihalnayak5483 thank you for the elaborated answer. I'll still buy a stingray to see how it sits in my band, lets for the best
@@sharr3766 Let us know how it turns out. Cheers!
Been playing one of these for a while now but the neck is way too thin. Truss rod needs adjusting all the time too. It does sound great though.
Definitely a very thin neck on these - you're right, I felt almost too thin! T
Thank you man. "Way too thin" is my kind of neck 🤟 and I'm this close 👌to buy it 🤣
I like the 3 band eq, but I do like the 70s 2 band they did the stingray perfect I do wish Musicman would add the bongo bass 4 band into the stingray and I also agree that to much on a gig can be a little much unless you know that bass very very well
Came across one of these for 150 bucks on Facebook marketplace. I’m just a beginner and already have an Ibanez gsr200. But I’m thinking on jumping on it.
Definitely go for it if it hasn't been snatched up already, might just need a setup and a battery change
@@isetta4083 it was :(. Called the following day and It was gone.
Yes I just got a sub series 5 string sterling sting ray ohhhh AWESOME I LOVE IT!!
👍👍👍🤘🤘
subscribed and liked the video! i’m from Argentina, and I trying to get into bass. Definitely this will be a good option. Congrats for the great video!
Thanks so much for the sub! Enjoy the bass, it's a great instrument and will make you a lot of friends haha! Thank you for the kind words on the video, it's always massively appreciated. T
Finally pulled the trigger on a Vintage Sunburst Ray4 and your demo was a determining factor; it gave me a real sense of how the EQ adjustments sound across various techniques. Bonus points for excellent Nasty Funk Face at 11:33, 11:43, and rudely interrupted at 11:57.
Bought one today and this video helped so much!
Those Barefaced cabinets are wonderful 🤩
sounded like you were trying hard not to talk bad about it . i've ordered a couple of these and every time they arrive with a bent tuner.. so idk what's up with that since the packing and shipping is always fine.. . but the sound itself just isn't too great on them either so i gave up trying to get one.
You’ve got it... Not my favourite! T
75% bass and 75% treble , a best sound !! no bass boosted to 100% !!
A totally classic stingray tone! I agree, 100% is too much! T
Hi Tyler (or Hi mate as they say in the UK lol), I just subbed to your channel about a month ago and like your videos. I'm in Florida, USA. I have a question for you about this Music Man: I own a Sterling (by Music Man) Stingray 5 string, model Ray25CA. I noticed yours looks identical to mine (except for color as I have the sunburst and yours is 4 string) but yours is marked as a SUB Ray24. I did a quick Google search and it seems Sterling offers both models, but I wonder what is the real difference? They are both priced fairly close, the Ray24/24 were about $200 higher then the SUB models. I take it that the SUB is more of an entry - level / student model?
Haha, we do indeed say mate 😂 Thank you for subscribing and supporting the channel! I haven’t had hands on a Ray25CA, but from what I can garner the 25 is based on the classic range from the full Musicman range (which is my favourite bass that Musicman currently builds!). That means you’re getting a ‘Slab’ body on your 25, so no shaping on the back or front of the body for forearm and belly. By the looks of it the neck will be a little chunkier and you also have the sterling inscription on the bridge (which I think is a nice touch!)
I feel the Sub is definitely more of the entry level instruments, and I personally wish Musicman would do the Toluca blue Ray25 as I think it’s a gorgeous combination!
Hope that answers the question for you? T
@@TylerSpicer it does answer everything. Thanks mate! Cheers! Patrick.
what kind of strings did you use?
Luigi Zanini hey! The stock strings from Sterling - so whatever they list on their website for this bass. T
I know this sounds like a stupid question,I know it's an active pre amp EQ but the pickups are passive right ?
So would you plug it into the passive or active input ?
The fingerboards are now Jatoba. If the one you are holding is indeed rosewood then they must have just changed to Jatoba.
I love this bass easy to play but I find when practicing with the band with more than 70% bass on the preamp it makes a horrible distorted clipping sound and I’ve tried it on 2 other amps and this is the same any advise much appreciated
Hi Dean! Turning the gain down and master volume up on the amps you’re using will help. There is a lot of signal from the bass knob on this preamp and I’d agree it’s difficult to keep from clipping, especially if you then play with an aggressive style. Let me know if that helps! T
Tyler Spicer - TJS Bass Thanks I’ll try that. Im running through a Ashdown 300W MAG at the moment and doing a similar style to Rage Against the machine so it is quite an aggressive style
Lower the pickup away from the strings. These basses are way hotter than Fenders. Too hot for the input of most bass amps.
Richard Milligan thanks I’ll try that
Try changing the battery
I have a sub ray 4 , left handed model. Unfortunately, all the models with the SUB logo (like the one Tyler shows) came with a factory issue that made the bass sound distorted. Therefore, equalizing it and getting a decent sound was very difficult.
As I see it, these basses present a disparity, they are very comfortable to play, but the sound leaves a lot to be desired, they have a dull sound and the slap sounds lifeless, even with new strings.
However, by changing the preamp and pickup for a SMB4DS combo (seymour duncan ceramic pickup + preamp of the same brand) the sound of the bass changed 180º. Now the bass sounds incredible, with a lot of definition, power and clarity in its sound, almost like an original stingray. My final verdict is that these basses are a very good platform to make modifications. For a novice or someone who is not very demanding in the sound could be useful this bass as it comes from the factory, but if someone wants to give a more professional use to this instrument, I recommend changing the pickup and preamp. Greetings and peace.
Hi, Tyler! Thanks for your reviews! I am considering getting the sub ray5 and upgrade pickups and preamp (probably aguilar) pretty much straightaway... would you recommend the upgrade? Thanks
Hi, great video:)! What do you say to the new model with two HUmbuckers? I mean STERLING BY MUSIC MAN StingRay 4 HH
I’ve always preferred single H Musicman basses if I’m honest! T
I have the exact same bass, I have used it live to great effect. realy cuts through any level of insanity. I'm unusual (I guess ) as I run 0% trebble and 75-100% Bass at home and 25-50% T and 75-100% B for live, depending on what amp I'm going through . And I put in a thumb rest as I play by the neck most of the time. The only thig I feel it misses is a bit of mid. So I bought a G&L tribute Killoton passive bass, as it has a pickup in more or less the same place , but a warmer more middy tone . Dose anyone own one of these , if so what do you think of it?
Do a review on the duel pickup stingray
I'll see if I can get hold of one! T
@@TylerSpicer it’s just I’m looking for one and want a good demo for it and you do good demos on basses
Hello Tyler. Do you have any opinions on the Sterling by Music Man Stingray Short Scale Bass, please? Thanks. Ian C.
Am I the only one to whom these SUB Sterling Stingrays sound more like the American ones than the alnico-humbuckered Ray34s?
No, you are not alone
I personally prefer the alnico sound, but I think you're right, the alnico isn't the same. T
Lol even though they’re made in Indonesia
Yes
Hey Tyler. I love your videos man. I’m a total beginner and now I’m now debating between a Squire CV PJ or this Ray 4 for my 1st bass. I’m inclined to Sterling because I’m a huge Tim Commerford fan but I’m wondering if a single humbucker and the the thumb rest location is OK for a beginner. In the other hand, I love the idea of the 32 inch Squire Jaguar CV because it has more sound options. Any guidance?
Hey! Thanks for watching! If you love the Tim Commerford vibe, you’re gonna be way more inspired by the Sterling. As a starting point that makes more sense and it’s still a classic sound! Go for a slightly upgraded one if you can like the Ray 24s etc. I’d say this Ray4 isn’t the best representation and has a couple of technical deficiencies in the preamp! T
@@TylerSpicer Great, thanks a lot!
Nice job! How is the balance sitting and standing. Thanks!
I only play sitting and it is perfect.
I have four Knobs on the Bass here, and input/output jack is LP style. (I have no idea what they do, no Amp to play with, just after the fact D.I.'s)
My review, it's a nice Bass but the fingerboards edges are too sharp, A mid range $ Bass that could use some "personalization" to get it to be lower high end $.
But that's not what we are looking for, we want a very playable Bass and this could be it, the neck is slim, narrow and straight. It's got some weight too it and the six Screws for the neck don't hurt, it sits well on your lap, and hangs right on a strap, your not reaching for the low frets or the bridge to Pluck.
My D.I. tracks sound great, a very Modern (OurLadyPeace) growl to them.
Was expecting it to sound tinny but fuck was i stunned
thanks for video, do you know but whats the weight?
Heavy, fairly certain they're similar in weight to a jazz bass, maybe just a bit lighter
I have a question about the humbucker. Is it passive or active?
this bass has preamp (active)
@@mk-vn7xk so the entire bass would not work without a 9 volt battery?
@@mrarchr yes, but the battery can last cca half of a year
@@mk-vn7xk Or half a gig!
I am aware I’m a year late to this convo, but if your like me and play multiple hours everyday, then your gonna need to buy rechargeable 9V’s because my first rotation lasted about a month.
There's sub rays and there's sub, sub rays. The sub rays made in California are much better than sub rays made elsewhere as the ones made in California are basically real stingrays that just didn't make the cut. You can distinguish between good and lesser ones by the markings on the back of the head stock (made in California ) and the logo on the bridge
@Tyler Spicer Which are the differences between old and new series,beyond the logo?
they say the new series fixed some issues with the preamp that the old series have
What’s up with the paint jobs? I looked at one at a music store yesterday and it feels like a flat decal, not real wood or paint. 🤔
It’s a satin finish as I remember… Not the most luxurious, but I do prefer it to a super heavy finish. T
Did you get any distortion issues with the bass boosted 100% and if you did how did you fix it because I don't see you having any problems as such
I'm having this problem. replaced the pre amp didn't help. Ended up having to lower the pickup a ton so it wouldn't distort. still can't have the bass boosted 100%
How tall are you man? My buddy be drooling for Stingray basses but he's only about 169cm and he's so skinny, I'm afraid the bass would be too big for him
Better than a jazz. I’m 168 and I play one but I’m 80kgs of rock hard muscle
I have one of these but the E string just farts at most frets, the A string rings out beautifully but the D and G are pretty weak. Did you need to do much work to it to get the E string sounding well?
if the strings aren't ringing out properly then you might need to adjust your truss rod or your saddle height
Common problem.
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I just seen one just like that at the pawn shop today and I put some money on it it was going for about 200 $50 but I got it for about 2:14 it's the same color same neck and everything so I'll be picking it up on Wednesday paying off the balance but it sounds good I like that one I'm glad I made a good choice I have subscribe and gave you a thumbs up
I just bought one off of Reverb with a free gator hard case for about 350$. I’m not even a bassist but I couldn’t pass up the deal lol
Cool bass line any tab?
dis nice
I have the 5 string. Great bass for $399.
If you rip the crappy preamp, you will be supersized how good they natural sound. (VOL+Tone)
Would love to hear that! Any chance you would record a tone demo?
Had two of these, play great, but the electrics have caught fire 🔥 on both. I’d avoid. Buy a squire jazz bass.
What color is that Bass?!
Whats the difference of one made in china n one made in indonesia?
Guitar Centre
Is this a P or J bass??
Neither, it would be considered an MM for that traditional Musicman pickup placement, the big double coil humbucker in the bridge! T
Mine is my favorite bass I've ever had. It KILLS my Fenders and keeps up with my Ibanez SR 300. You probably have a bad battery in the back, plus yours is a pawn shop special. (I saw that tag) also, the newer ones don't have that big SUB 4 logo on the head. Mine is mint green, made in 2019. The bridge has "Sterling" engraved into it. No offense, but yours sounds bad and is prolly a 200$ bass...(maybe cheaper at the pawn shop u got it at, dead battery and all....) the stingray will always be Leo Fender's best bass. Jazz bass is 2nd. Anyone saying different are purists or just want to argue. (My Jaguar sounds better than any Jazz bass. And p basses are a ripoff unless you get one for under 100$)
I’m glad you dig yours! This wasn’t mine as you can see, it’s stock from the Guitar Centre Langley here just outside London - they use those tags on all stock new or old. I love the 2 band rays personally and I’d love to try the 5 string model based on the classic! T
@@TylerSpicer yeah me too....another bass I'd love to try out is a Bongo....I love the odd shape of the body (crazy, but not too crazy) and the bumper car metallic pain jobs on them
O pior....
Very low vibe Video dude. Your going public have some flare.
It’s a while back, but thank for watching! T
Feels like you are dying inside while playing... C'mon!
Awful pre-amps, muddy, distorted, farty and clippy low E tones, ungigable out of the box🤔🤢
Ceramic pickup is actually too hot. I rewired in parallel as it is in series and the preamp is now serviceable as it wants a lower resistance. I will be putting an Alnico pickup in my ray 4 soon