How to Play the C Major and D-flat Major Scales with New Fingering

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[@Kenn-rb7gq]

Thanks so much.. I'm definitely going to be checking out the book. Aside from practicing scales etc. Have you found these to be useful in looking at fingerings for different passages and for being more efficient/smooth? I would imagine it would still depend somewhat on the notes that come before and after....

[@BachScholar]

Yes, they are actually very useful. As I mention in a video and in the "New & Improved" book, I am planning a book "Fingering Hacks for Pianists" which gives various rules and tricks (many of them unconventional) for making fingering easier. I have discovered over time that for fast passages in the RH, such as scale runs and having to change directions quickly, the fifth finger is best avoided. This is because it is the slowest and least responsive finger. These new scale fingerings eliminate 5 except for a couple instances. The traditional system relies far too much on 5. The fifth finger in the RH is fine for slow passages and octaves and when you really need it, but the faster and more precise you need a passage, the less you should use 5. Most pianists see changing positions (like thumb under or finger over in scales) as a detriment and would argue that these new fingerings have more changes, but I actually view it the opposite. The thumb is an incredibly strong, fast, and stable finger and thus it should be used more, actually much more than 5 in the RH. The LH is different because 5 is more foundational than in the RH. So, in short the use of 5 should be minimized in the RH for fast scale passages, but not avoided in the LH for bottom note and root note foundations. These new fingerings maximize the use of the stronger fingers (1-2-3-4), train the thumbs better, and minimize use of the weakest finger (5). It is a practical fingering system that is perfect for optimization and cheating (i.e. fingering hacks).

[@Kenn-rb7gq]

@@BachScholar Thanks so much 😁.. This new fingering makes so much more sense ( in most places) than the traditional fingering.

[@jejwood]

This is really fascinating; I'll be trying it out! Hopefully there is an upcoming video: WHY to Play the C Major and D-flat Major Scales with New Fingering.

[@BachScholar]

Thanks. It's easier to understand "why" C and Db have the same fingering after learning all 12 major scales and seeing how they all relate.

[@qwerty20000000003]

This new system of fingering is really interesting! I'll be relearning all the scales to see if it works better in the long run. And I'll be getting the two books, once I have the money.
I'd love to teach some of my students this method. But since I work for an academy, I think I'd get fired (or at least admonished) if I taught my students scales with unconventional fingerings.
I am curious, though: In very quick runs in C Major, such as Czerny's op. 299 no. 1, I've always found the the conventional fingering works really well when going down in the right hand. When playing upwards in the right hand, it's a little more difficult. Does this new system have any advantages in terms of velocity?

[@BachScholar]

Thanks! Since the new system avoids the fifth finger more, those kinds of passages ascending in C major can be made much easier and more stable by only using 1234 and avoiding 5. For example, the ascending scales in meas. 5-9 in the Op. 299 is better played 123-1234-1234-1234 instead of 123-12345 on the last octave. This way you get the thumb on the strong notes and you eliminate 5. Note that here I would use neither the traditional or new fingering but simply go up in groups of fours after the first three notes. Now, try this for the descending scales in the first four measures: 321-4321-4321-4321. There is no reason to play 5 on the top notes. I find 3 much more secure than 5. Also, when you get to meas. 19 avoid playing 5 on the top E but use 4 instead. So in meas. 19-20 the fingering would be: 34321-4321-4321-4321-4321-4321-4321-4321. This is easier than using the traditional C fingering because all you are playing is groups of fours and you don't use the fifth finger. The fifth finger is best avoided in fast scale passages like this and it will help you play it faster and more cleanly. Using the fifth finger for fast 16th notes leads to messiness.