CHEAPEST AMP MODELER RIGHT NOW?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Trying out the DNAFx Git Core. A very affordable Guitar Amp Modeler from Harley Benton!
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NDSP didn't think to have the ability on the Nano Cortex to have an IR on one output for FOH and turned off for another output to a power amp, yet a 90euro modeller out of China does. Nice demo, this thing actually sounds alright!
That's one of the features I was hoping the Nano would have. Would make it totally gig-able for me. The lack of control on the Nano is pretty surprising. I suppose its possible they could do a firmware update to add it, but I'd never hold my breath for a Neural update hahaha. Would also love if the tuner showed up on the app too!
UPDATE: I just received my nano cortex & after playing around with it, there is a tuner on the app!
@@Killadelphia_also engagable on the pedal
@@pointymason that’s the thing, NDSP didn’t think. Lol
Hey Ola, any interest in Solar making some kind of tube power amp for modellers or preamp pedals like the Chug?
You've done a few videos comparing solid state and tube and the tube always comes out on top! Would love to see it
A tube powered cab/amp with one real V-30 and one FRFR speaker?
Idk if they’d bother making a power amp since the power amps Ola mostly features is the KSR/Fryette or the SD powerstage (solid state). Both are in different price brackets and Solar isn’t really known to be an amp brand either so not sure how well a power amp developed by them would do (in terms of marketing) compared to the other more reputable tube power amps.
What an impressive device. It even has IR features. Can't believe how good and cheap things have gotten. Great review, Ola
Yeah, that sounds as good as anything I’ve heard you play through. At least cranked up in my car, in my mix position. Sounds gnarly!
Too bad it doesn’t really have enough foot switches to use live. Or at least not for what I’m playing at the moment. 😆🎸🤘🏻
Nano cortex I hope gets an update for overdrive instead of pitch. I think it sounds cool out of the box but idk. Please line 6 create a new tube powered vetta or something that’s better than the nano. Also, ola…. PLEASE revisit the pod xt pro and vetta!!!! Show people it won’t be obsolete, it will just break 😢
Good thing that they use version control system.
Right
What model guitar is that multiscale? Looks like a 27-25.5”
Regarding to the price, you cannot have better 😮
Choptones!!! Are you listening???
Overall, it sounds horrendous. lol
What you did with your impulse response was okay-ish, but dear God, the rest was OG V1.0 Red Bean-bad...
"let's engage an overdrive..." Neural DSP has left the chat...
ROFL
Haha right 😅
LMAO 🤣👍🏻💯😶😆
Kinda no point yaving it separately if it's always drive down, vol up for heavy music and always there with the amp, so if a capture already includes it... What's the point
Bro I just pissed my pants
A Nanocortex with a screen for a fifth of the price. Nice
Except both are fundamentally different types of products
@@cirisirpula152 Yeah, one has a screen.
@@alrangelal basically nanocortex is not a modeler
@@Mercaison so a better Nanocortex for a fifth of the price. Nice.
@@alrangelal with more FX too! The only thing going for the NC is the captures.
This is the best era to start to learn to play guitar.
To start learning to record too, I might add.
Was just thinking the same thing. The budget gear compared to 15-20 years ago, and budget guitars are so much better.
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Couldn’t agree more. I was just talking to my son about this. Budget guitars are fantastic and being able to get a piece of gear like this or any of the tons of plugins it’s a beginners dream.
@@ItsMrMcFlyYeah, even my rip off guitar is perfectly usable despite having crappy floyd rose bridge.
Its basicely a Mooer GE150 without the Wah-Pedal. It has the same specs and identical Knobs etc.
I think it might even be running the same software, al the module names seem to be the same as my GE 200
True! Great observation. It's definitely the same software and hardware, just with a few changes to the UI. These modern modelers are just computers and you don't need excessive computing power by todays standard for processing a few guitars with low latency. That being said, many modelers are horribly overpriced. Yeah things like the footswitch rotary encoder combo from Neural are pretty cool but not strictly necessary. What they do with the nanocortex is an absolute shame on the other hand - Limiting it by dumbing down the software even though the hardware is capable of much more and still charge a fortune. As an IT guy myself I rant enough about such things in the computer world, now it seems to become a thing with guitar modelers too?
You're bang on when you say that all these Chinese units are either built by, or at least the software is developed by, the same company. However we don't really know who that is. Mooer, Valeton, Nux, Harley Benton; they're all using the same effects engine, packaged up in a custom enclosure with their branding - a white-label kind of deal. It first came out in the Mooer GE200, and has evolved a little bit since, but not very much.
A few tell-tale signs:
1. They all have this weird "Tube emulation" in the cabinets section (which actually does nothing except add an EQ curve to the output). No other modelers place this feature in the cabinet section.
2. Yellow Comp / Blue Comp, / EV 5050 DS etc... they all have almost an identical set of effects and amp models, and they're named the same on most of the units.
3. Same global feature set. Ability to apply cabsim to left channel only (mono signal with IR to headphones, mono signal without IR to power amp).
4. Same rhythms / drum beats.
If anyone knows which company is behind the software, I'd be really curious to know - They do sound good, though! I still like my GE200 :)
It's not like this is new and there isn't anything wrong about it. Since forever companies have either outsourced manufacturing because starting your own factory is crazy expensive, either just relabelled products offered by manufacturers (that in turn might sell their stuff either under a minor brand, either with no brand). This is a way of cutting costs, which is the point with most of the Harley Benton stuff. Many of their studio gear is actually Alctron-rebranded stuff, while Thomann consumers in the EU get the benefit of a lower price, lower shipping costs, relatively local support and 2-year warranty, compared to buying directly from Alctron (slightly pricier, shipping costs from China, import taxes, sending to China for repairs going through exports and all that, warranty just 1 year).
Cherub in shenzen
Please tell me this is good for bass.
I use to work for Caline,this is completely accurate lol😂
@@shaneperry4430 Really? I'm curious, what's your insight? As far as I know, Caline are manufacturing themselves. It doesn't mean they don't rely on suppliers, but you can find Caline-branded components inside devices from their second brands (I love the feel of their switches and I notice that). I'm also aware other brands outsource their production to them.
''We have the best modelers, with 1000 effects that you'll never use and yeah at this price tag you can't get better'' - Kemper,Fractal,Neural DSP etc.etc.
''Hold my beer' - Harley Benton
Mine arrived 2 days ago. Its absolutely awesome for the price. Seriously impressive for the price.
Good to hear that about the price. People will be thrilled about the price.
@@DecapitatedOwns666 I have been banging away for decades. Played with a lot of effects and pedals. This is absolutely amazing for the price. It would still be good at twice the price. Don’t get me wrong, it has its limits but its an excellent little unit.
1:25 I died... 😂
@@Satyros2os man that's deeked up
Dude I want one of these right now less then a $100 and it sounds great multiple amp models and you can load your own ir, which I think would make this the cheapest ir loader on the market as well. And 2 more size options with expression pedals for slightly more screw the nano, if you can adjust pitch with the expression pedal this is gold
Actually it is not the cheapest. We have a Chinese brand called M-vave and its $60 amp modeler Black Box which enables users to clone their real amps with neural network training program on pc and simply put the file into it and play.
The high gain tones sound pretty damn sick for something that costs as much as one shitty distortion pedal. And the software seems way way easier to use than something like ToneX's godawful UI.
If you got the OE-IR...
@@C-Rohe gave one away for free a few years ago
Hearing this demo this device sounds good enough for any recording! We've had classic metal albums that are classics and sold thousands of records with guitar sounds less than what this unit produces!
Based on the blurred thumbnail, I was certain it’d be the nano cortex. We’ve been bamboozled
I feel this is just a reskin of the Mooer GE 200, way more affordable, but the firmware seems to be the same
Hey Ola! Love your videos! Have you also checked the M-Vave BlackBox? I think its the cheapest Profiler Pedal out there, its only USD 55. Yes! You read it right! its a Profiler Pedal!! Haha😂
Cheers.🎉
Usually the Chinese do very good affordable multi effct pedals.
Mooer GE150, Nux MG300, Valeton GP100, and so on.
All US$100 ish
Ola the quarter inch output jack is TRS for stereo, according to Thomanns product page!
Makes sense.
Honestly third party IR support makes every modeller incredibly good nowadays, tone wise
Yup, it’s really just finding the right IR
@@joshilton616 yeah nowadays picking modellers is mostly about build quality and interface, as long as this one feature exists
because tone is in the speakers!!!!
@@BarrySmith-ny6ng not all of it, but 90% for sure!
You should try m-vave black box
Cheapest is one of my favourite words! Nice tone!
These units rule for loop effects like a gate/eq/delay.
so basically neural DSP is ripping us off
yes
Ofcourse
This is basically a MOOER GE 150. It even has the same names for a lot of amps, overdrive pedals and controls for the cab section, including the tubes
The GE150 cost a little more, but it has an expression pedal, and lets you change microphones and mic positions. It's much more versatile to me.
Unfortunately the pitch shifter is extremely bad 😒
I think I spent $100 in 2004 to get a Digitech RP150 that is legendary for sucking. (Though the effects/reverbs actually hold up!)
Something like this being $100 in 2024 is insane.
I see all these gear review videos of people being so nitpicky about tone with amp heads and cabs or modellers and all that stuff, and I cant help but think back to the superb 'Hysteria' episode of CLASSIC ALBUMS. In that show Phil Collen says that Mutt Lange didn't give a damn about what guitar or amps they used to record. His attitude was "I'm gonna do everything in the mix."
Yeah, you can EQ/Multi-band Compress your way out of most "so-so" amp/head modelers irregularities or deficiencies if they were setup correctly to begin with and you double track. All the modelers have become good. It's all better than it was 15 years ago.
And Ola can make even shitty gear sound more than passable.
@@70mcnevin And the simple fact is that 80% of metal bands' guitar tones all sound the same in a mix, no matter how much pissing about with their precious tone they brag about.
Agree, more on your hands and your songwriting core abilities and less being picky with the años and shit
@@RolandDeschain1 JCM800 .............
Trola strikes again
I really can't fault these modern cheaper modellers. Got a valeton one from few years ago. Has everything I want in it. Sounds great.
Sounds kind of fake like Audio Assault plugins.Fuzzi...First time in life I am ready to say that something is worse than Line 6 and BIAS positive Greed.But price will kill expectations.
You called them audio assault fake because they sound fuzzy sound like you don't know what are you talking about😂😂😂😂
There was plenty of great sounding guitar recorded using Line 6 Pods etc. back in the day.
This is so sick. you could totally pair this with their power amp and run this into a cheeky cabinet.
✅Olla, this is great that you have persistently chosen to not review “the next big thing”. I cringe when I open youtube & all the people I follow have been pre sent the next large release. All at once, my news feed is diarrhoead with the next new thing. I cant even watch all that. And also, it makes me feel hopeless with my own channel, telling myself “is THIS how Im going to gain followers? just regurgitate the next new trend?”. It just doesnt sit right, & never will. Im fine without product placment. And a lot of the people I actually enjoy, dont have the newest technology or gear, nor do I. I admire & respect you in the sense that you stay true to yourself & build you company, on mostly your own terms. Genuine approach, is a slower business climb. But also keeps you at the top longer. Quick growth=quick decline. Thank you for not selling out or being a whore.🤙🏼. Greetings from Finland.
Well I did make a demo of the nano cortex, I just chose to release it when every one else has cooled down.
And dude, don’t get analyze other RUclipsrs too much, focus on yourself and what makes you happy. That will shine through in your videos
@@OlaEnglund✅Yes, thats right. I forgot you do the review, but delay the release. Whatever the case, I still like that approach much better. Thanks for your time to share your empathic encouragement. Im your age, & have been experiencing similar things as you at this age, while doing the grind of life. Im from Canada, but alone in Finland. So part of my support is, a guy like you that I compare myself to; givin the age & career choice, & that our seasons change at the same time, I basically see how youre coping through it, & use that as a motivation for myself to adapt new concepts to get through winter. Im still independent, with my own business responsibilities, but I do keep an eye out on others approach, in order for me to adjust & grow. Thank you🤙🏼
Tye mvave blackbox also looks really good for around the same price, if not cheaper
And the M Vave support amp/pedal captures!
much cheaper on aliexpress, I bought one for 52€
@@buddyhimselfI think that alone is worth getting it.
@@buddyhimself they also do a good midi pedal with an expression input for around 20€
Do you know if the black box also supports the ability to have the IR just on one side?
it sounds like shit for me...
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Pretty cool unit for someone just starting out. Doesn't hang with the higher end modelers, but it's miles better than anything I had when I started learning a couple decades ago. The price is outstanding. Also loving all the shade thrown at Neural DSP in here. They make some good stuff, but yeah they've been smelling their own farts with this Nano Cortex. It sounds good (assuming you pick the right captures), but the features are underwhelming and it's overpriced for what they're giving you.
The app UI is similar to MOOER's stuff.
Yes, it's a Mooer GE150 without the pedal. Same specs, potis, interface. Just another case layout.
They also have a "dna fx git" without the core and it's the exact same thing as the mooer ge150. Harley benton probably made a deal with them
The pro looks like a Hotone though
I thought the drum rythms sound exactly like the Moer ge150 ones
I can remember when I first got my DigiTech multi fx unit and plugged it into my old Peavey 50 watt tube amp. I thought it sounded so freaking good back then. I should see if I still have that thing
What model, late 90s a friend loaned me a RP7 , then I bought a RP50 and then a GNX3000 😅 good times
@@guarapo66 mine was a rp50 as well!
You can get a modeler for even cheaper with the MVAVE Blackbox. If you really want to see what the actual cheapest modeler/multiFX with custom IR capabilities can do, you should take a look at it. Runs about $75 US.
Edit: Haven't finished my morning coffee yet...Also forgot to say: Excellent video as always! You continue to be one of the most entertaining and fun guitar tubers out there while still being thoughtful and concise about your reviews. The level of quality that modeling and multiFX has gotten to these days in incredible, even on the most inexpensive offerings compared to just even a decade ago.
@@jameslanders3421 And a profiler at that :)
Honestly impressed how good the distortion sounds for the price.
Cleans left a little to be desired.
Ironically that is the opposite problem modelers have had for the last 5 years.
The lead tones are nice for what they are. The rhythm tones on the other hand sound a bit too modern, if that's even possible. There's just not enough low end.
Better to have a bit of switching delay like this unit, than to have a momentary sound cutoff between patches, like I have with my Zoom G5n for example.
That's expensive.
I thought this was going to be an M-Vave Blackbox with yet another brand name on it :)
i have the advanced version of this modeler. it´s the same thing just an added foot switch, expression pedal and outputs. it´s ok, it does the job, but it does have its draw backs. clean tones are a bit plastic-ish, the mics on the IR´s sound exactly the same, changing the amp model also automatically changes the cab which is annoying when you want to compare amps, the reverbs sound metallic and not that great, and a bunch of other small things. i´m actually thinking of returning it and trying a HoTone.
the layout, the fx name even the sound of the unit is basically similar to my Mooer GE200 which is great
Hello Ola, I want to buy an apple mac book and want to know which one works with the latest Neural DSP Plugins? Is it possible with a mac book pro from 2016 ? Greetings from Germany Jörg
Ola, why do you have to be DISTRACTING me with AMAZING cheap gear!? I'm trying to study business law, for god's sake! STOP being so awesome! I LOVE YOU
Ola, FYI, "chassis" is pronounced "chassy". You can thank the French for that one. Maybe you already knew that and were deliberately mispronouncing it for fun.
How about the M-Vave Blackbox? When are you reviewing it? 😁😁😁
I recently picked up a Mooer ge150. It has 55 amps, 26 cab's, 200 patches, an expression pedal, and was only $130
Can you test the Sonicake MatriBox2 Pro? It's a new amp modeler at around 300 Euros, and it's a nice yellow. Could be a strong contender in that price range.
What impendance phones will this pull. Need something small and portable for practicing in small room.
Went to buy one and it says available in several months lol...ugh.
Psst, Americans, 90 euro is 100.50 usd ;)
Excited to see HB get into this area. I like the concept of HB, though the one guitar of theirs i tried was BOOTY so maybe this is more their forte lol
It's bad for today's standards, BUT OH BOY, how many kids will buy it, love it, use it to its fullest and make the music of tomorrow
Fixed program names, or possible to overwrite ?😉
You think MAH PENIS was a default preset? 🤣
@@OlaEnglund😂 the name has taken the device to a cooler level...not changeable would be something
Have you tried the N-ux amp academy from the verdugo series?
Silly question.........will the drum on this damage a 4x12 cabinet for guitar use via the bass response of the drums?
All I'd say is get some cables and make sure they stay plugged in/no stress on them etc. cause to offer this at that price I'd expect it to break easily, jacks/switches etc.
c mon ola i have been waiting the review of this modeler with a cab + power amp for almost a week :(
love how they didn't change the software from the oem flamma fx100 🤣
It’s interesting that anything you play always sounds like you, but I guess that’s your IR and the way you pick/fingertone. Great video and I wish I could have gotten tones like this when I was learning instead of the crazy shitty squire amp I had. The people starting out now have no idea how good they got it.
it sounds to me exactly the same as all the others. let's see a comparison.
Could you do a review of the Moer GE 1000 please? 🙏🏻 need a good and real review as you do
I used to have a NUX which was in a similar price range. I think it sounded better than this
Its like a Flamma Fx100 without the expression pedal
Sounds like my Digitech rp when I was a teenager 😏
Yup... I laughed at the preset name. Call me childish. 5th grade never left me...
What they actually are worth? Or get a used line 6 pre for laptop boom.
0:23 hahahaha love the name 🤣
Lmao neural is going toasted in here. I dont feel sorry for neural to be honest.
Dude, for this price? I'd get one anyday.
Brutus will take a $25 used Joyo amp sim pedal instead.
I wanna hear harley benton 2x12 with harley benton dna and a harley benton guitar.
Same manufacturer with Joyo.
Not NuX
Kemper PoorFiler , NICE
the cheapest i think atm is the tonex pedal but correct me if im wrong
It has a functional editor that can load irs? Boss? What is the issue over there.
did you mess around with the capture aspect of it??
Anyone else notice preset P011 at 9:12?
can it be controlled via midi usb?
🤠🤘🏻It's Time To Kick Ass At Rock In Rio🤠🤘🏻
I'd be interested to hear how this sounds in a full mix.
Right. Sometimes amp modelers sound worse in a mix with drums and bass
Yeah which is why I'd be interested. If it sounds decent then it's truly a budget gem waiting to be mined 🤘
Shhhhhhhittttttttt ! Cant go wrong for that price
Which song is at the beginning of the video?
this pricepoint, such sound is so good lol
This is mind-blowing for the price, but I'll never understand why these affordable options always look like shit 😂
Because they haven’t spent much on getting it designed to not look like shit……..hence the affordable price. Also the more basic it looks generally the easier and cheaper it is to produce. Seems to make sense……I think 🤔
@@TheJTM45 Basic sometimes equals minimal and elegant. The Nano Cortex looks good and doesn't even have a screen :) it's as if they really don't care about the aesthetic, even though I think it's important to attract more customers.
OLA PLEASE TRY THE AMPERO MINI FROM HOTONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍
M-Vave BlackBox please)
That preset name goes with your strap
Well, I'd say that chugs!
Honey, ....I shrunk my modelor.