I was on a Cruiser in the 90s and we rocked and rolled quite a bit and we sailors refused to use the belts installed on the racks. It was more efficient to stuff your boots under the mattress on the open side of the bunk to wedge you into the corner. The belts didn't work in the real world. Also, I was on an LSD and our marine berthing's had red or yellow curtains to distinguish Navy vs. Marine berthing's. Mostly because marines got lost navigating the ship for the first few days underway and different curtains helped 🤣. Great video.
Served on the Charleston and also the El Paso during the late 80's as a Marine. We absolutely used our poncho liners on our racks. We put them on top of our racks that were already made up with the wool blankets so we wouldn't have to make our racks every day. We would short sheet our racks and use the extra sheet with the pinch liner.
I was on the MARDET 86-88. 2nd section. We all had VCR Vhs in our berthing area. They were almost always playing some kind of movie after working hours.
On the _Saratoga_ there was a spot in the chow line where you could see down into Marine berthing on 3rd deck. There was one rack that you could see and I remember poncho liners and red curtains. The Navy berthing spaces all had the ubiquitous blue ones.
I was apart of the MAR-DET on the SARA from 84-86 and the hatch you are talking about. Was on the slider chow line and was above our armory. The MARINES would come out during a security alert. Our racks had blue curtains.
In the 80s I was on the USS Simon Lake AS33 as MARDET. Those birthing photos look like mine on our ship. Amazing how similar they are. Our Gunny wanted to paint our birthing. What he didn’t understand was the shade of blue of the wet paint isn’t the same as when it dries. It dried to a color that we called “Smurf Blue” I bet I went to Sea School with the Corporal in the video. We had blue curtains. I wonder if they had yellow curtains because that was what was available? Our TV had a VCR and the movie Top Gun was the most played.
Ryan, could you do a “day in the life” video for one of the sailors or marines on the ship? It could be interesting to have a video that follows the subject around and they explain each part of their schedule and job duties.
Those rack straps were used to hold the pillow, blanket and sheets on the rack when you were not using it. This was to keep the bedding from getting sucked into dewatering pumps after flooding and jamming them up.
Hey, having you interpret one of the historical pictures is great. This "picture's worth a thousand words" series is definitely interesting. As a landlubber, seeing something in-use is better than just going "oh that's a refueling hose"
If I recall my youth correctly, those little blue and yellow things on the VCR are little knobs to fine tune the reception of the various channels. The little door that usually hides them once set to open.
I was in military school (1979-83) and as an NJROTC cadet, toured a couple active duty ships and spent almost 2 weeks on USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67). One thing that was distinctly noticeable about the USMC Detachment areas was the cleanliness. Now the sailors did a good job of cleaning, but the Marines raised it to an art level. Walking down a passageway, when entering Marine territory, the decks went from clean to polished. They were glossy and looked wet ALL THE TIME. Also every piece of brass was polished to a mirror shine; every knob, screw, handle, lever, nameplate, etc. The Marines were fastidious. Everything in their area was way more squared away than it was in the sailors berthing areas.
They had much more time on hands, as opposed to us sailors who maintained, operated and fixed equipment, drove, flew the aircraft, fed the crew, provided medical & dental,etc... but it takes a team to win! Semper Fi😀
There is a possibility that the Marines, being Marines eschewed mere blankets for the OO-Rah of using poncho liners (note "woobie" is a post 90s term and might confuse those in your Period of Interpretation). Depending upon the date of the photo, and if it was after an Asian Port Call, that could be a LaserDisc player, too.
We were still using poncho liners on our “racks” in Iraq in 04-05. Marines being expeditionary, they probably avoided using ships stores to avoid disembarkation delays if ordered ashore. Gunny wants to stack bodies and get that CAR for the First Sausage Board Photo not supervise blanket counts.
Never served on a US Navy ship,but i got to go on board the USS Missouri when it was in Long beach,The USS Iowa in San Pedro and once again on the Missouri at Pearl Harbor. Semper FI 86-93
I toured the Marine berthing on Midway a few weeks ago, it was interesting. A fully self contained, differently arranged area compared to Navy berthing.
Do the two Marines in the foreground have their names stenciled on the back of their BDU shirts? Also, noticing a very high state of shine on the brass escutcheon plates on the water tight door dogs in the background.
@@CountryFenderBass Not sure if what I am seeing was captured by the camera, or the physical photo print picked up some foreign material, but I can see a hint or faint shadow of what looks like stenciling on the backs of the two Marines in the foreground.
BTW depending on photo quality and your processing equipment, the eyes are a mirror and can give details in the opposite direction as the shot. I worked 10 yrs in photography and used it as a tool to recreate shots I liked and in many can even make myself out in the eyes.
Super obscure question that I can’t seem to find an answer to online: did crew members on a battleship ever go entire days or multiple days below deck or did everyone get some time in the fresh air every day? I could imagine war time scenarios where you may stay below deck for extended lengths of time, but in normal operation would sailors ever have a schedule that kept them entirely below deck for more than 24 hours?
Was there ever a film developing space on the battleship? I know that the carriers had them. They would pull the film from the reconnaissance planes and develop them in ship. The same people doing that would also go around with a camera taking pictures for various different reasons.
You mentioned that the TV studio was using Betamax but I wonder if they were actually using Betacam. They look visually similar but they are completely different formats with Betacam being specifically for TV studios.
I'm curious what the berthing spaces looked like in WW2. I remember you said they were 4 levels and much less comfortable. Do you have any pictures of that we could see?
In my experience onboard USS JFK the mardet kept to themselves and did their own thing taking care of broken arrow drills. Twice a day the entire mardet would do their calisthenics in forward part of hanger bay next to my workspace. In port they would jog on flight deck and at sea they would try to jog on hanger deck but tough to do as it was a hive of activity not to mention jets parked everywhere.
The Betamax format was Sony-proprietary and I don't think any other manufacturer ever licensed it - they all went VHS. Bottom-right corner of the player appears to be a branding mark and looks nothing like the letters SONY. All but certain that's a VHS machine. It makes sense that the on-board studio would have been Beta because that was pretty much ubiquitous in any video production facility. BTW Beta studio formats are not compatible with the Betamax consumer format, so has no relevance to selection of a consumer player.
Beta and VHS was a absolute war. Beta is huge in size. Thats probably a VHS. There was a war technologically for a time period as one consumed the other. The people decided that the VHS is what we wanted. So they survived that time period.
11:08 did you just call those Marines, sailors? Both of my parents were Marines in WW 2.0 and I can tell you was I raised well versed in the difference between sailors and Marines, especially the questionable parentage of sailors! 😏 (Ironically I'm really into naval history and especially BATTLESHIPS!)
Couldn’t believe that either!!! Ryan must make his amends regarding that slip of the nautical lip. Not doing so invites grave consequences from the ghosts of Marines still present in that area!
I can't believe no one has explicitly pointed this out, but *_they are_** NOT **_"beds" they're "racks"._* (There are a few comments that use the correct terminology, but I didn't see any that actually calling out this mistake.)
About freaking time there slimy civilian Ryan your posting about the most important personal aboard the battle wagon … you do know historically Marines were the safeguard against mutiny aboard ships
Ryan referred to “sailors” in the picture at one or two points. No. Those are Marines! “Sailor” is a high insult, to a Marine. Marines refer to sailors as “squids”. A “squid” would never, ever be allowed in a Marine berthing area and would experience untold discomfiture if they did. Period! I’m fairly sure the color of those curtains were referred to as “gold”. Blue for sailors, gold for marines. That makes sense to me!
Good luck Battleship New Jersey. This Canadian will never support your channel again. Never watch a video again either. Going to miss you guys. Canadians will never forget the insults of your president
I was on a Cruiser in the 90s and we rocked and rolled quite a bit and we sailors refused to use the belts installed on the racks. It was more efficient to stuff your boots under the mattress on the open side of the bunk to wedge you into the corner. The belts didn't work in the real world. Also, I was on an LSD and our marine berthing's had red or yellow curtains to distinguish Navy vs. Marine berthing's. Mostly because marines got lost navigating the ship for the first few days underway and different curtains helped 🤣. Great video.
Same, Was on CG-62. Miss #3 GTG sounds when sleeping.
@ yeah, best sleep ever. I was on CG 30, old cruiser, but remember CG 62 around SD and the gulf. Good times.
I'd love to see some episodes of "this old battleship" as you restore the space, what it looks like now till it is ready to open to the public.
Loved my poncho liner as a blanket, been retired 22 years and I still have it.
Served on the Charleston and also the El Paso during the late 80's as a Marine. We absolutely used our poncho liners on our racks. We put them on top of our racks that were already made up with the wool blankets so we wouldn't have to make our racks every day. We would short sheet our racks and use the extra sheet with the pinch liner.
So Wise , Thank You . Fine Marines in Action
I love that the "King Neptune's Polliwog Paddle of Damocles" appears to be hanging over you.
I was on the MARDET 86-88. 2nd section. We all had VCR Vhs in our berthing area. They were almost always playing some kind of movie after working hours.
On the _Saratoga_ there was a spot in the chow line where you could see down into Marine berthing on 3rd deck. There was one rack that you could see and I remember poncho liners and red curtains. The Navy berthing spaces all had the ubiquitous blue ones.
I was apart of the MAR-DET on the SARA from 84-86 and the hatch you are talking about. Was on the slider chow line and was above our armory. The MARINES would come out during a security alert. Our racks had blue curtains.
In the 80s I was on the USS Simon Lake AS33 as MARDET. Those birthing photos look like mine on our ship. Amazing how similar they are. Our Gunny wanted to paint our birthing. What he didn’t understand was the shade of blue of the wet paint isn’t the same as when it dries. It dried to a color that we called “Smurf Blue” I bet I went to Sea School with the Corporal in the video. We had blue curtains. I wonder if they had yellow curtains because that was what was available? Our TV had a VCR and the movie Top Gun was the most played.
Ryan, could you do a “day in the life” video for one of the sailors or marines on the ship? It could be interesting to have a video that follows the subject around and they explain each part of their schedule and job duties.
Those rack straps were used to hold the pillow, blanket and sheets on the rack when you were not using it. This was to keep the bedding from getting sucked into dewatering pumps after flooding and jamming them up.
Hey, having you interpret one of the historical pictures is great. This "picture's worth a thousand words" series is definitely interesting. As a landlubber, seeing something in-use is better than just going "oh that's a refueling hose"
If I recall my youth correctly, those little blue and yellow things on the VCR are little knobs to fine tune the reception of the various channels. The little door that usually hides them once set to open.
Woobies!!!!! As a former Army soldier, I used by woobie in place of the of the issued wool blankets. Still have mine to this day,
Thanks for another informative video...I voted for the museum ship contest today & I will try to as many times as I can before its over.
I was in military school (1979-83) and as an NJROTC cadet, toured a couple active duty ships and spent almost 2 weeks on USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67). One thing that was distinctly noticeable about the USMC Detachment areas was the cleanliness. Now the sailors did a good job of cleaning, but the Marines raised it to an art level. Walking down a passageway, when entering Marine territory, the decks went from clean to polished. They were glossy and looked wet ALL THE TIME. Also every piece of brass was polished to a mirror shine; every knob, screw, handle, lever, nameplate, etc. The Marines were fastidious. Everything in their area was way more squared away than it was in the sailors berthing areas.
They had much more time on hands, as opposed to us sailors who maintained, operated and fixed equipment, drove, flew the aircraft, fed the crew, provided medical & dental,etc... but it takes a team to win! Semper Fi😀
@@RogerRamjet156 Was going to say the same thing. The sailors had to do real work while the Marines had to find work to do underway.
There is a possibility that the Marines, being Marines eschewed mere blankets for the OO-Rah of using poncho liners (note "woobie" is a post 90s term and might confuse those in your Period of Interpretation). Depending upon the date of the photo, and if it was after an Asian Port Call, that could be a LaserDisc player, too.
Definitely an early 80s VCR, it has those 'channel' shortcuts on the face that can be set by that open panel on the bottom.
Everyone loves their woobie. I've been out of the Army for fourteen years, and I still get a lot of mileage out of mine.
I’ve been out of the Army 30 years on my 3rd wobble and still love it.
Woobies are like duct tape in that once you have one and know some uses you don't know how you survived before.
We were still using poncho liners on our “racks” in Iraq in 04-05. Marines being expeditionary, they probably avoided using ships stores to avoid disembarkation delays if ordered ashore. Gunny wants to stack bodies and get that CAR for the First Sausage Board Photo not supervise blanket counts.
Never served on a US Navy ship,but i got to go on board the USS Missouri when it was in Long beach,The USS Iowa in San Pedro and once again on the Missouri at Pearl Harbor. Semper FI 86-93
i think this is good to explainm how you restored the space
I toured the Marine berthing on Midway a few weeks ago, it was interesting. A fully self contained, differently arranged area compared to Navy berthing.
Do the two Marines in the foreground have their names stenciled on the back of their BDU shirts?
Also, noticing a very high state of shine on the brass escutcheon plates on the water tight door dogs in the background.
No. We had name tags on our MARDET
@@CountryFenderBass Not sure if what I am seeing was captured by the camera, or the physical photo print picked up some foreign material, but I can see a hint or faint shadow of what looks like stenciling on the backs of the two Marines in the foreground.
I believe that strap was for "Tricing up" the bottom rack so you can sweep under the rack
Bed in civilian = rack!!! Great video😀
BTW depending on photo quality and your processing equipment, the eyes are a mirror and can give details in the opposite direction as the shot. I worked 10 yrs in photography and used it as a tool to recreate shots I liked and in many can even make myself out in the eyes.
It would be great to take a photo of the same berthing space as it is now for comparison.
Super obscure question that I can’t seem to find an answer to online: did crew members on a battleship ever go entire days or multiple days below deck or did everyone get some time in the fresh air every day? I could imagine war time scenarios where you may stay below deck for extended lengths of time, but in normal operation would sailors ever have a schedule that kept them entirely below deck for more than 24 hours?
As former MM we went down that hatch to the shaft alley
Was there ever a film developing space on the battleship? I know that the carriers had them. They would pull the film from the reconnaissance planes and develop them in ship. The same people doing that would also go around with a camera taking pictures for various different reasons.
On the Wisconsin BB-64 The Marine Detachment had all Blue curtains in the 80s/90s
Traditional Marine Corps colors are scarlet and gold. So the yellow curtains might be representing that.
You mentioned that the TV studio was using Betamax but I wonder if they were actually using Betacam. They look visually similar but they are completely different formats with Betacam being specifically for TV studios.
army calls it a woobie, marines call it a poncho liner
Came here to say just that, Ryan needs to drop and give us 25 pushups for that infraction...USMC '79-'83
Where did briefings take place on New Jersey? Is there something like conference room?
Come on man! You gotta get Marine Red and Gold curtains for the MARDET spaces. It would be sacrilege otherwise.
My ship in '80 and '81 had all yellow curtains.
I miss Libby!!!
What happened to Libby?
@ She just hasn’t been around as much. The chat isn’t the same without her.
I'm curious what the berthing spaces looked like in WW2. I remember you said they were 4 levels and much less comfortable. Do you have any pictures of that we could see?
I wonder if the sailors and marines had radios and boomboxes on board. Did the ship have a radio station on board?
Boom boxes and Walkmans
How did the Marines and Navy sailers on the new Jersey work together in such confined spaces on the ship
In my experience onboard USS JFK the mardet kept to themselves and did their own thing taking care of broken arrow drills. Twice a day the entire mardet would do their calisthenics in forward part of hanger bay next to my workspace. In port they would jog on flight deck and at sea they would try to jog on hanger deck but tough to do as it was a hive of activity not to mention jets parked everywhere.
im pretty sure that was a vhs player in the pic. cant see enough to say 100%, but it looks very similar to ones ie had.
you can never have enough poncho liners.
The Betamax format was Sony-proprietary and I don't think any other manufacturer ever licensed it - they all went VHS. Bottom-right corner of the player appears to be a branding mark and looks nothing like the letters SONY. All but certain that's a VHS machine. It makes sense that the on-board studio would have been Beta because that was pretty much ubiquitous in any video production facility. BTW Beta studio formats are not compatible with the Betamax consumer format, so has no relevance to selection of a consumer player.
What does WOG mean on that thing hanging behind Ryan?
Polywog - someone who has not been through a (equator) crossing ceremony.
Beta and VHS was a absolute war.
Beta is huge in size. Thats probably a VHS. There was a war technologically for a time period as one consumed the other. The people decided that the VHS is what we wanted. So they survived that time period.
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No such thing as an EX Marine, Once a Marine always a Marine...! Get it together people....
Would not have believed birthing compartment would be different. Here we are.
11:08 did you just call those Marines, sailors? Both of my parents were Marines in WW 2.0 and I can tell you was I raised well versed in the difference between sailors and Marines, especially the questionable parentage of sailors! 😏 (Ironically I'm really into naval history and especially BATTLESHIPS!)
Couldn’t believe that either!!! Ryan must make his amends regarding that slip of the nautical lip. Not doing so invites grave consequences from the ghosts of Marines still present in that area!
I can't believe no one has explicitly pointed this out, but *_they are_** NOT **_"beds" they're "racks"._*
(There are a few comments that use the correct terminology, but I didn't see any that actually calling out this mistake.)
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You need to ask an upper level officer that served on board, did marine corps berthing be cleaner overall than let’s say Bowen mates berthing
Hi, Ryan. How are you?
We wore cammies not BDU we had poncho liners not woobies MAR DET 84-86
wow! ten minutes of color palettes! EDGE OF SEAT material!
Marines don't wear BDUs, they wear cammies or utilities.
About freaking time there slimy civilian Ryan your posting about the most important personal aboard the battle wagon … you do know historically Marines were the safeguard against mutiny aboard ships
That was a TV stand on the left with a DVD player attached to the TV, for movies and such!!
DVDs hadn't been invented yet when the ship was in service.
@@michaelsommers2356 1985-1986?? Is when those Marines were on BB-62. Something , I don't know?
DVDs weren't even invented till 5 years after she was striken. how old are you - lol
@@stephenmitros2691 DVDs were invented around 1995.
@@michaelsommers2356 So? It was VHS player....bottomline is was for the Marines entertainment.
Ryan referred to “sailors” in the picture at one or two points. No. Those are Marines! “Sailor” is a high insult, to a Marine. Marines refer to sailors as “squids”. A “squid” would never, ever be allowed in a Marine berthing area and would experience untold discomfiture if they did. Period! I’m fairly sure the color of those curtains were referred to as “gold”. Blue for sailors, gold for marines. That makes sense to me!
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Good luck Battleship New Jersey. This Canadian will never support your channel again. Never watch a video again either. Going to miss you guys. Canadians will never forget the insults of your president
He’s “the President” of less than half of us.