One gets into that state … when one gives the mind rest for some amount of time Exposure to the world, every day dramas in family life depletes the silence. And in that noise, one goes back … That’s why all the monks , and even JK, lived in serene settings, close to nature … am sure they had very clear boundaries even with family and friends…
jesus christ ... i am so deeply in pain. suffering loneliness and emotional abuse ... I know JK for quite some years and I fully see that he is right. And honestly It was possible to end it all .. through directionless awareness ... but this has to be a constant things ... and i am just not willing to end it ... so much pain. so much fear and doubt to "stand on my own" ... so much unfulfilled desires/needs ... it feels so wrong to led it go. To be not authentical, to hide your wishes, feelings and everything ... and to recognise that others feel discomfort because one is not authentic ... there is so much fear. Who ever does not just trim the branches but pulls out the roots has my utmost respect. I'm 35 years and haven't really "lived" ... it feels too late. So much has been missed. I see the way out, JK points it out clearly, but I really don't want to go ...
Same here brother - I feel like some understanding must be missing, if it is as K says, but I too feel like I just don't want to change in the way he describes, and that's why I don't do it.
Perhaps if you read his book about fear you will grasp the whole thing. I had this very dilemma inside myself and the book helped me a lot. It's a kind of insight, that comes instantaneously
Do you remember the name of the book? I’d like to check that out, and I have the same fear and resistance to truly seeing all of it, immediately, now . . .
The simplest things are often the most tricky ones to do. To see something in its entirety - however simple it may sound, it is not . It has to be rigorously practised day in day out . In all situations, we should turn the attention inwards & see whats happening there. We are trained to look outwards. The gaze should be on us now . Please forgive if I am wrong
This is more profound than ending hurt! He clearly explans how our counsciousness works and describes one aspect (feeling hurt) in details like baby bites served for you... You can try to imply this on every other trigger(or folder in your hard drive 😃) that that makes you react in a specific way with its own specific patterns...this guy is AAAAAAA!!!!!
And then simply, just from observing you can notice how every pattern, set of behaviours("who we are") in given situations occurs like a flowing river over your brain and while flowing activating those centers in the brain starting the mind activities which creates our reality and "making" us unto "who" we think we are.
I’ve heard many of JK’s discourse and I follow it well. This one was too challenging for me. I see & analyze each hurt one by one to get rid of the same (it doesn’t go away completely though. It just subsides). However to do it in totality is extremely difficult because when I see it wholly, there are no thoughts. It’s just the feeling of attachment and it doesn’t go away even if I’m observing. I still feel attached. I’m not there yet. Because the comfort of attachment was so nice, it’s not living my consciousness just by observing it wholly. Unless I know true everlasting bliss of my soul, it seems impossible.
Yes. I have come to the conclusion that you will not be free from attachments unless that of you which clings to attachments deeply wants to be freed. If only your thoughts and your image of yourself wants to get rid of attachments you are only going to generate more conflict within yourself. So it is interesting and fruitful to look inside yourself for that, but I think you can't change your desires of attachment. The only attached self that dissolves is the one that drops without the need of force, just as a leaf on a tree.
@@blue-cc4ul Just set your intention on it, literally decide it and stay silent verbally and mentally. Just wait and see. There is not a manual, you can only discover it by yourself.
But people call me "cold" cuz im aware inwardly the movments of thoughts, attachments... I dont react a lot most of time im here now, i dont follow anything, but in this case u will live alone cuz most of us will never understand who we are
The beginning of detachment is to awaken to a higher, profoundly deeper spiritual intelligence. It is the separation of mortality to the rising of immortality. You nolonger live in the physical but transform into pure energy.
... interesting enough , my "attachment" to Jesus, is something that gives me freedom, and releases me from hurt, and pain,...not constantly, because i am not unfortunately so much devoted to that "attachment"... ❤️🌹🙏
You can not give up the lower tastes unless you get the higher taste. Be it your bad habits, cravings, hurts, Just as without pillars, there can be no building, similarly, man can not come out of his pettiness without the GRACE OF THE DIVINE
I liken this teaching to mildew. (if you live in humid cool climate like the pacific northwest, you will understand) You can be aware of the funky smell and hate every minute of the experience of living with it, but in order to lessen it's effects, you must understand the nature of mildew and how it arises. Only with this understanding can you take steps to mitigating it by environmental subtraction. In the future, every time you get a whiff of mildew, you do not have to deal with it as a completely unknown phenomena.
Yes we can understand all this but...we can't remove the pain... I know it's all about myself..but still I m hurt..and I can't move away from here..yeah it's just thought and emotions but they are real...
While you listen to him he invites you to not understand but do.. explore by yourself what he's explaining.. understand implies mind.. just concepts.. leave it aside
Become a zero to become a hero. Zero means mere pure consciousness, without any thought., positive or negative. That pure consciousness also is not yours. That is God. Pure consciousness is obtained by cleansing the mind, by yoga and pranayama involving mooladhara, spinal cord, brain and breath, thought and awareness. You become blank without breath, thought and sensations in the brain for a few minutes. For the rest of the time we can hear the om sound to remain without thoughts.
Indulging in self pity is much easier than taking responsibility for the your world you are creating. As within so is the external world. It is law. Everyone is at war within themselves so war is the collective mirror of the true Jihad , the dualistic war against the petty self . Its a false duality . The subject object illusion K discussed so often. Ive seen through it but still slip back into the us and them bullshit. That's the suffering. 😘💕🏵️🌈👁️🦋🌹
But what about all blocked psychological trauma ? That is not conscious. That your body block or your ego as a mechanism of protection hold all this memories emotions and all that is involving in it ? Only thing that I’m doing is to observe and feel the mental and emotional block . But this is really affecting me I’m getting sick for real .
No image for the self of the i.. i don’t have any definition of my self that will get cracked at anyhow. I can do that with i , bit what about the id ( unconscious) , and the subconscious, if there is no i .. what is the battle?!
I disagree with this...you have 2 choices actually. 1. You can choose 2. You can give your attention to it or do what I do...I hear it....but immediately delete it from my mind....detach myself from the shape arrows of criticism 'hateful words' and say this; I dismiss you and your critical spirit! Your hateful words will not stick to me or hurt me because YOU do not exist to me!
And the profound wisdom of Krishnamurti reverberates in the vast silence of the universe.. ❤️
Yes, thankfully 💞
Such a Genius 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️
A true legend... thank you for preserving these presentations...
Your profound wisdom is superb sir Krishnamurthi
One day I hope the truth in all of this will be revealed. Thank you for all of this
Genius... absolute genius
Mind needs tremendous energy to end its own content instantly.
We have that energy
One gets into that state … when one gives the mind rest for some amount of time
Exposure to the world, every day dramas in family life depletes the silence. And in that noise, one goes back …
That’s why all the monks , and even JK, lived in serene settings, close to nature … am sure they had very clear boundaries even with family and friends…
Yes .. we don’t often hear of mothers with children attaining enlightenment …!!! Even Buddha gave up family
Attachment created by thought
Who is the happiest man. One who is not looped in past and born new every second.
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Thank you so much for this valuable conversation 🙏
We are all one collective conscience
One Love my brothers and sisters❤️🌎
Thank you so much
We are grateful to you ❤️
Awesome👍👏👏👍👏
Thank you sir 🙏for the spiritual guidance. Thank you for the short videos and the words appearing below.
jesus christ ... i am so deeply in pain. suffering loneliness and emotional abuse ... I know JK for quite some years and I fully see that he is right. And honestly It was possible to end it all .. through directionless awareness ... but this has to be a constant things ... and i am just not willing to end it ... so much pain. so much fear and doubt to "stand on my own" ... so much unfulfilled desires/needs ... it feels so wrong to led it go. To be not authentical, to hide your wishes, feelings and everything ... and to recognise that others feel discomfort because one is not authentic ... there is so much fear. Who ever does not just trim the branches but pulls out the roots has my utmost respect. I'm 35 years and haven't really "lived" ... it feels too late. So much has been missed. I see the way out, JK points it out clearly, but I really don't want to go ...
Yes. I wonder if i will ever truly want to go there
Same here brother - I feel like some understanding must be missing, if it is as K says, but I too feel like I just don't want to change in the way he describes, and that's why I don't do it.
Same same....not able to let go....
Perhaps if you read his book about fear you will grasp the whole thing. I had this very dilemma inside myself and the book helped me a lot. It's a kind of insight, that comes instantaneously
Do you remember the name of the book? I’d like to check that out, and I have the same fear and resistance to truly seeing all of it, immediately, now . . .
Invaluable method 🙏🏻
The simplest things are often the most tricky ones to do. To see something in its entirety - however simple it may sound, it is not . It has to be rigorously practised day in day out . In all situations, we should turn the attention inwards & see whats happening there. We are trained to look outwards. The gaze should be on us now . Please forgive if I am wrong
This is more profound than ending hurt! He clearly explans how our counsciousness works and describes one aspect (feeling hurt) in details like baby bites served for you... You can try to imply this on every other trigger(or folder in your hard drive 😃) that that makes you react in a specific way with its own specific patterns...this guy is AAAAAAA!!!!!
But what will happen if you empty tottaly everything every folder? 🤯 will you be more than a flower for an example?
And then simply, just from observing you can notice how every pattern, set of behaviours("who we are") in given situations occurs like a flowing river over your brain and while flowing activating those centers in the brain starting the mind activities which creates our reality and "making" us unto "who" we think we are.
Thnx for the convo youtube 🥰
@@TheTrapcho, only one way to find out
What a Heart JK..gifted by Almighty God.
Thanks.
Wonderful. thank you.🙏❤💙👍👌
To see it completely and instantly.
Explain " to see", with your eyes? No, with your heart and mind- it is so hard to grasp what he is saying exactly!
The best is precisely the end of the vídeo. Thank you , Master
Bravissimo e saggio. È proprio così
Lo sto seguendo sempre più e trovo che ognuno può conoscersi ed essere libero ❤❤
Muchísimas gracias!!!!
I’ve heard many of JK’s discourse and I follow it well. This one was too challenging for me. I see & analyze each hurt one by one to get rid of the same (it doesn’t go away completely though. It just subsides). However to do it in totality is extremely difficult because when I see it wholly, there are no thoughts. It’s just the feeling of attachment and it doesn’t go away even if I’m observing. I still feel attached. I’m not there yet. Because the comfort of attachment was so nice, it’s not living my consciousness just by observing it wholly. Unless I know true everlasting bliss of my soul, it seems impossible.
Yes. I have come to the conclusion that you will not be free from attachments unless that of you which clings to attachments deeply wants to be freed. If only your thoughts and your image of yourself wants to get rid of attachments you are only going to generate more conflict within yourself. So it is interesting and fruitful to look inside yourself for that, but I think you can't change your desires of attachment. The only attached self that dissolves is the one that drops without the need of force, just as a leaf on a tree.
@@gerardcordoba6005 can you explain how does one observes the entirety of one's consciousness instantly?
@@blue-cc4ul Just set your intention on it, literally decide it and stay silent verbally and mentally. Just wait and see.
There is not a manual, you can only discover it by yourself.
Thanks a lot ❤️
But people call me "cold" cuz im aware inwardly the movments of thoughts, attachments... I dont react a lot most of time im here now, i dont follow anything, but in this case u will live alone cuz most of us will never understand who we are
Beautiful video 😍
Beautiful 💙🌸🧚♀️🪞💫🙏
The beginning of detachment is to awaken to a higher, profoundly deeper spiritual intelligence. It is the separation of mortality to the rising of immortality. You nolonger live in the physical but transform into pure energy.
Preach🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Lovely
... interesting enough , my "attachment" to Jesus, is something that gives me freedom, and releases me from hurt, and pain,...not constantly, because i am not unfortunately so much devoted to that "attachment"... ❤️🌹🙏
It's an attachment
This kind of freedom and releases are illusory. They are a trick of the mind.
Attachment is a prison not freedom.
how are you doing these days? How is your prayer life? Greetings
8:15 he said old boy 😄
You can not give up the lower tastes unless you get the higher taste. Be it your bad habits, cravings, hurts,
Just as without pillars, there can be no building, similarly, man can not come out of his pettiness without the GRACE OF THE DIVINE
Agreed
agreed.
That is so childish. Dont you see it, sir?
@@gerardcordoba6005 i don’t know why he is so stubborn
I liken this teaching to mildew. (if you live in humid cool climate like the pacific northwest, you will understand) You can be aware of the funky smell and hate every minute of the experience of living with it, but in order to lessen it's effects, you must understand the nature of mildew and how it arises. Only with this understanding can you take steps to mitigating it by environmental subtraction. In the future, every time you get a whiff of mildew, you do not have to deal with it as a completely unknown phenomena.
Yes we can understand all this but...we can't remove the pain... I know it's all about myself..but still I m hurt..and I can't move away from here..yeah it's just thought and emotions but they are real...
It also got me wondering how may the fact of being aware of the "wounds" make them disintegrate...
@@sidstar1001 Sir, JK says , end the image that is wounded
While you listen to him he invites you to not understand but do.. explore by yourself what he's explaining.. understand implies mind.. just concepts.. leave it aside
K...... ❤️
Become a zero to become a hero.
Zero means mere pure consciousness, without any thought., positive or negative.
That pure consciousness also is not yours. That is God.
Pure consciousness is obtained by cleansing the mind, by yoga and pranayama involving mooladhara, spinal cord, brain and breath, thought and awareness. You become blank without breath, thought and sensations in the brain for a few minutes.
For the rest of the time we can hear the om sound to remain without thoughts.
Our brain became too complex to understand him.
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Wise
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽.
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Yes
It's very hard to do so sir
Indulging in self pity is much easier than taking responsibility for the your world you are creating. As within so is the external world. It is law. Everyone is at war within themselves so war is the collective mirror of the true Jihad , the dualistic war against the petty self . Its a false duality . The subject object illusion K discussed so often.
Ive seen through it but still slip back into the us and them bullshit. That's the suffering. 😘💕🏵️🌈👁️🦋🌹
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collected try Depend hold attach fear of having or letgo imagin and depend again on escaping into compulsive .. see it entirely chain disappares
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Uhmmmm, NO, I can't. I have gone into it....
10.33pm sep 18 , 2021
But what about all blocked psychological trauma ? That is not conscious. That your body block or your ego as a mechanism of protection hold all this memories emotions and all that is involving in it ? Only thing that I’m doing is to observe and feel the mental and emotional block . But this is really affecting me I’m getting sick for real .
I think the problem is you are observing with the wish to end that block. I haven't made it myself, but good luck
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No image for the self of the i.. i don’t have any definition of my self that will get cracked at anyhow. I can do that with i , bit what about the id ( unconscious) , and the subconscious, if there is no i .. what is the battle?!
I disagree with this...you have 2 choices actually. 1. You can choose 2. You can give your attention to it or do what I do...I hear it....but immediately delete it from my mind....detach myself from the shape arrows of criticism 'hateful words' and say this; I dismiss you and your critical spirit! Your hateful words will not stick to me or hurt me because YOU do not exist to me!
Can i have the full video of this topic please
Check video description
K 😌
I hate counsiness beacuse I don't understand....
I am not feel counsiness..
Everybody says detach, but they don't tell how to?
Stop trying
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If just he had spoken it with a simpler explanation instead of this ..
Maitreya
This is freedom. 🤍🕊️
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