Space Homesteading
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2024
- In the future we will not simply travel to visit new worlds but seek to build homes and forge lives on them. So what would being a pioneer in space truly be like?
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Space Homesteading
Episode 433; February 8, 2024
Produced, Written & Narrated by: Isaac Arthur
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Most farmers I know are mechanics, inventors, machinists and all around problem solvers.
My father and his brothers were dairy farmers in the 60’s and he always told me the same; farmers are nowadays scientists, geneticists , mechanics, weathermen & of course inventors for when inevitably something crazy happens & requires a novel solution with minimal resources
Don't forget computer programmers I've seen some amazing work with using drones with crops and remote sensors kind of amazing seeing applied technology i love it not that any of that's new its just cool to see the innovation. @@chupacabra304
Just think... if they are farming NITROGEN! In SPACE!
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@chupacabra304 my dad was a dairy farmer too. He saw a automilker at the state fair. Took one look and said I can make one of those. 2 months later we had one that he built himself.
In space, you can always receive ballistic Amazon. They will fire it toward you from a railgun, the only limit is your catching speed.
Your order will arrive around the same time as it does nowadays 😂
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Believe it or not that might just be the case we've been trying to make guns/cannons capable of orbital since world war 2
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@@mudpie6927 Amazon would have a few fulfillment centers all around the solar system. Earth orbit, Mars’ L4 and L5 to supply the asteroid belt nearby. Venus orbit for inner system workers. And where ever there are lots of people close to one place, they open a new one.
Home is where the heart is. Sometimes that will end up being several light years from earth.
Hearth, home is where the hearth is.
Home is where the heart is
but the stars are made of Latinum
@@comentedonakeyboard This man has the lobes for commerce. 👆
Home is where your rump rests.
Joe Dirt meme.
You have died of Techno Dysentery.
Venus Trail... probably.
Press Start to upload to a New Body.
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You shot yourself with your mass driver while sending the nitrogen shipment into orbit. Do you apply castor oil or quinine?
LOL "Everybody shut up, dad's gotta record." That's awesome Isaac LOL , Great video as always, looking forward to the next one. :)
Also known as 'humans are here, abandon all hope, ye who trespass.'
I have to admit, part of my transhuman fantasy is setting up an android with a shotgun on a deck in open space, watching out from the Dyson swarm that I've become as a little symbolic warning to the self domesticating apes that have so often punished me for failing to domesticate myself to their standards.
"No solicitors; enforced by stellaser."
Y'all have a tendency to physically attack me the moment I build something nice, and I'm too autistic to really understand why...
@@UsenameTakenWasTakentranshumanism is pathetic. evolve.
@@UsenameTakenWasTaken Transhumanism is hubris incarnate. We were designed as we are for a good reason. Thinking we know better is not even a slippery slope, it's a sheer cliff where suffering awaits at the bottom. After all, nobody wants corporate mandated brainchips.
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Your troll logic of telling me that what I want is pathetic, and then telling me to do it as if it were an order is a good example of The Amazing Self Domesticating Ape's tendencies that will get y'all a stellaser to the face.
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You first. Evolve, do it now.
Show us all how it is done on livestream.
It makes perfect sense that most of the early settlements will be small, often begun by families, which makes them homesteaders by definition. Since there is already a well-developed culture of unusual forms of homesteading (urban homesteading seasteading), it makes perfect sense that it will expand in future into space.
Once again, it is clear: Octavia Butler was right to say that *_it is the destiny of Earthlife to take root among the stars._*
I suffer with PTSD and it comes from a family environment. Seeing this video did get me emotional. But also provided me with another piece of the jigsaw on the road to healing. Thank you so much Isaac for this video it was very heartwarming. P.s. the family photos are amazing. 🎉
Heinlein's "Farmer In The Sky" , though aimed at teenagers, is a good basic space homesteading novel, that holds up fairly well despite its age.
Agree, a combination of high tech and lots of grunt work. Not for the faint hearted. Jules Verne’s Mysterious Island explores a similar situation, showing that knowledge and hard work are both necessary in order to survive.
I only read it once. It's a good read. Might read it again.
The Homeschool Hooligans - future band name
I love your usual release times- I get to go to space while going to work
Same
For me it's on the way home.
I don't care about times. It might as well be random to me. It is on Mathletes day.
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Another option for Venus. Thermosiphons, sucking heat from the lower atmosphere into a heat engine, with the waste heat going into the colder upper atmosphere. This would not only produce power, but also cool Venus over time.
I think the key difference between homesteading and farming is the intention. If you own a garden we dont call you a farmer, you arent intending to make a living selling what you grow. Homesteading is about intending to survive off of what you grow, not sell.
I'm gonna homestead,but I'm gonna do it high tech. Moisture condensers. Replicators. Sonic showers. Antimatter warp core...
18:49 The Robinson Caruso method of survival being to take steps just big enough so that you have the time/resources to solve all the issues before this one again becomes critical. Not good to die of thirst in a mansion.
Another fantastic SFIA video! I loved the warhammer 40k STC tie-in, totally great idea! I have suggested several times that Isaac and Leutin09 should do a collaboration episode over on leutins comments, i think that could be a great episode or short series. I recently started rewatching all the SFIA videos as I have been doing a lot of world building in my own universe and SFIA is my "reality" check for when I want to know if I am getting too far out of known science for my own comfort. Thanks for the thought-provoking and fascinating videos. You, sir, are a treasure and an amazing resource for someone who wants to write good science fiction!
The end of this reminds me of the last books of Schlock mercenary (spoilers) where they eventually realize that the galaxy is surrounded by an orbiting halo of what amount to tons of different variations on matryoshka brains, because any civilization that arose within the galaxy eventually inevitably realizes that being in the galaxy is detrimental to long term survival because new potentially disruptive civilizations keep arising and eventually they all get anti matter weapons and gravity control tech that there is no perfect defense against so on a long enough timeline the only true survival strategy is to go where no one else is and they have little to no chance of detecting you or deciding to come into existence anywhere near you.
10:50 also similar to how today it’s cheaper to import fruits from across the world than growing those same fruits domestically or even locally. A concept that would baffle any living person born before 200yr ago.
For a long time now i've had this fantasy of going to Mars to open up a taco stand on a tricycle and sell Martian "street food" to colonists. I'd probably sell sub sandwiches as well and come up with new foods influenced (or limited to by ingredients) by Martian culture.
I've done this here on Earth already, i used to have a very popular sandwich shop. Before covid i was street vending from a trike i built, just pedaling around town on a crazy looking cart i hand built with whimsy, like something you'd see in a Dr Seuss book.
I've always thought about how we'd probably start sending the best and brightest good looking spacechad genius class to colonize and screw ourselves by not sending blue collar workers needed to support a colony scale population. I mean like when you get astrophysics-ing or doing Mars geology things one would probably want to go grab a beer and some nachos or maybe a chimichanga or just some churros and talk shop. I can't imagine the eggheads are gonna spend all day cooking beans or baking bread and tortillas lol.
Imagine a blimp with breathable air inside it. That alone is an awesome concept.
Doomsday tech to destroy an orbital installation? - Tiktok challenge for all the teens to jump up and down at the same time destroying its orbit. Or a popular one from my childhood, flush all the toilets at the same time, no AI needed just humanity.
Looking at the unclassified cold war "near miss" accident, it's scary how multiple times we almost end. All that potential could repeat it self into inter planetary standoff with planet cracker missile.
Who needs foreign enemies when we've got ticktock challenges.
*no AI needed just COMMUNISM.
@@beskamir5977Friendly reminder that TikTok is a Company controlled by the Chinese government, and the version we have is illegal in China. The version of TikTok they have in China is far more wholesome.
Like a highschool worth of funky teenagers and their dirty gymsocks in a recirculating atmo environment isnt enough to deal with..
I've gotta be blunt here... Issac I adore your speech impediment 😅
I realize that being different can be hard and whatever, but like... get over it man 😂😂😂. I seriously love your voice, imperfections and all. I have a really long and extremely precise memory (like I can recall conversations verbatim months after the fact) and I cannot recall a single instance of me misunderstanding a single word you've said. I'm okay if you pronounce world as "woahwrld", it's okay man. We are all unique in our own ways, and part of that for you is how you sound. I really do think that you are too hard on yourself. Yes a speech impediment can be challenging, but like realistically if you didn't bring light to it the vast majority of your audience wouldn't even realize it was an impediment.
Seriously dude, you are perfect as you are. Stop with the apologies, stop with the surgeries. You are who you are and we love you flaws and all.
On a more serious and personal interpretation note... it comes across as the victim card. Like I fully understand that you have a speech impediment, and I don't want to come across as insensitive... but I got a cousin who I live with who has a stutter so bad he actually is indecipherable at times, and I fall asleep to the melody of your voice.
You're not broken dude, you're different. Don't be ashamed. You're different and that's okay!
You already know the secret to raising kids. You don't raise them that's an idle process. You train them. Being polite, tidy, everything is just what you do if you got trained. It also makes parents much more of a friend because that ordered relationship is comforting for a little person. My deaf autistic daughter is 4 and helps with chores (has a fit if we do stuff without her hehe cute). One day I realized that she'd figured out scraping food out before putting a dish in the sink! Like ok don't use sign language but you got this orderly life down.
Sorry long way of saying I'm truly happy to hear another that says trained. Now that's love building habits and such that with help them forever. Then hang out talk play. Or play some Mario on the switch and then go play dolls with Mario plushies for a few hours 😂 yes Luigi and Mario do need diapers and a snack
Why are you blogging about your pet snowflake in the comments section of a space video? Nobody cares and Twitter is free.
*Oh wait, now I got to the part where he's talking about having kids, and now your blogpost makes a little more sense. Carry on.
My lady is autistic and i’m ADHD and somehow miraculously our daughter is neurotypical ❤️ so I can relate but in reverse
We try to be parents first , friends second but everything you said is absolutely true 🙏🏽
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Died of dysentery
“EVERYONE IS QUITE NOW.” Probably pretty tricky to record while chuckling.
I love the image of a couple hang-gliding around their Venusian airship homestead, but with 350km/hr winds at those altitudes, I'm not sure that that's feasible or safe.
🔵 TOPIC: ASTRONAUT SPACE SUIT HYGENE
Important is also how to keep things hygienic and comfy.
Space suits might need specific wardrobes that wash, decontaminate, desinfect, treat, deodorant harmonize space suits.
Such as putting it inside a wardrobe on a holding structure where then shower and spray tubes go in and around.
Then UV light treatment while drying with inside tempered wind drying.
I love this channel. There's a comfort I find in watching and listening to you talk
10:49 The Grayson's did not have counter-grav. At the time of "Honor of the Queen", they could barely build impellers and inertial compensators. They also lacked the advanced building materials to build large-scale domes for farming for some reason. Weber made it a point of showing that they still used rivets to build their space stations and ships.
Imagine the aliens communicate with gravity, and all the humans flushing looked like an SOS to them.
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Impellers and inertial compensators _are_ counter-grav. Damn near all the tech tech in that setting is counter-grav.
@@boobah5643 Not exactly. Impellers and compensators are applied gravitics. Keep in mind that in the Manticore Rising prequels they had impeller drives and compensators but artificial gravity was something that was just being developed. Only the newest, first line Havenite ships had artificial gravity. Everyone else and most of Haven's ships used spin sections to generate gravity in crew spaces. Grayson did have grav plates since their ships didn't have spin sections and there was no reference to a ack of internal gravity in Honor of the Queen, but it was pointed out that Grayson's construction lacked counter grav prior to the alliance.
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Awww snap, I already thought you were awesome. Now I find out you adopted 3 kids!!!! You're the best
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AHA I GET IT
Their "foundation"
Story idea; miner outpost flings megaton size icecubes towards the core economy. Aliens attack . Though no official weapons, the humans reprogram the sling to hurl pea sized bullets near the speed of light.
Can you do a video on methods for creating microscopic black holes and kugelblitzes? And how about a discussion about using Penrose processes with superradiant scattering of light for creating the kugelblitz. It would be a great help to me!
This is so inspiring for world building. It gives me so many ideas
STC standard template construction 😂 wink wink nug nug LOL love it Issac!
The template for all of this will be fleshed out on Mars over the next few centuries.The lessons learned there will extend across the galaxy.
I'm already doing the hermit thing. Hopefully, if the world doesn't go to absolute crap, I can do the hermit homesteader thing. It's already possible with things like Starlink.
Only 30 seconds in and I already know this will be a great episode! Thank you Arthur!💯
The thumbnail alone really sold it!
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I could see a martian surface installation becoming pretty profitable as a resort for both the ultra-wealthy from Earth and for Asteroid miners who want to walk somewhere with real gravity and a horizon but don't want to take the months longer trip to Earth. We're already fairly sure Mars orbit is going to be pretty important for gravity assists, free acceleration will never not be valuable.
It's not free-free, just mostly free. Every time you use Mars to speed yourself up, you slow Mars's orbit/push its orbit further out. Maybe there'll never be enough traffic for it to matter; I'm hoping otherwise.
You call it an STC but the description sounds like a GECK…. I think I like this fusion of 40k and Fallout.
beautiful family! congrats
This reminds me of the Heinlein story Farmer in the Sky where they terraform Ganymede. A long way between Farmer in the Sky and All You Zombies. It also makes me wonder if Heinlein was always a weirdo or did it grow on him..
IIUC, true homesteading is about moving to unclaimed land and establishing a home and possibly community. The self sufficiency usually involved does indeed lend itself to frontier development, and is why modern off grid people call themselves homesteaders even when they're not ACTUALLY homesteading. When the US Bureau of Land Management opens up an area for settlement, but don't allow a suburban development, most of the people who buy property there would qualify as homesteaders. If a town and/or development goes in, the first people who move there are settlers, even if they don't realize it or think about it.
If you are simply self sufficient, you CAN say that you are homesteading under the modern understanding of of it, but you wouldn't be an actual homesteader... But, honestly, I'm not sure even lawyers would care until we start settling again.
So Zathras talks to dirt. Sometimes talks to walls or talks to ceilings, but dirt is closer. Dirt used to everyone walking on it. Just like Zathras, but we have come to like it. It is our role. It is our destiny in the Universe. So you see, sometimes dirt has insects in it. Zathras like insects. Not so good for conversation, but much protein for diet.
Lol... i died from dysentery... a lot... 😂
Another informative and uplifting look into a positive lifestyle among many of the future.
Wonderful video, Isaac.
I've said it before but you have a wonderful family and that is apparent in your work which is constantly improving. Keep doing what you're doing and everything will be fine.
Thank you so much!
You have a beautiful family Isaac. Cheers.
Yay! I've been waiting for this topic! Thanks Issac! Youre the best 😊
Hope you enjoyed it!
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Same title as PE Rowes up coming community selected story. He gives you so much credit for his story ideas. you should interview him. His Space Homesteading story is coming up soon. This week is the 17th episode of "The Misfits" and it was great.
What a cosy bedtime story! Lol love your timing Isaac :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
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It’s a good day when Isaac uploads a new video!
I love the homesteading video today. Thank you for entertaining us all
Lots of work, but finally some peace and quiet.
I enjoy hopeful episodes like this. It makes me temporarily forget the difficult times we’re living through. But I do lament being born too late to explore the Earth and too early to explore the stars. Still the future portrayed by episodes like this give me hope for humanity.
See you in the Oort cloud!
Thank you for this video. This will always be a dream of mine.
Love you isaac! Thank you. Arthursday!
The initiial story fits very well for parents who e.g. lost their firstborn in an accident
Honestly Homesteading is likely to be the norm from now on since cities really are becoming an obsolete concept.
Working from home and the coming human form robots really will make high density housing a thing of the past in most of the planet.
It'll likely move towards Solarpunk and that will likely continue as we reach for the stars.
Cities are not becoming obsolete. In the future a much higher percentage of humanity than currently lives in cities, will be required to.
@@dreamoftranscendence4415 Haven't you been paying attention at this channel's content?
Once we begin to construct habitats our available living area will go utterly off the charts.
@@vi6ddarkking which doesn't negate the fact that a lot of people prefer to live in cities. If things go well in the coming centuries, we'll have plenty of options - and if the last 6,000 years of human settlements are any indicator, city life will likely continue to be a popular choice.
Appreciate your work
Dibs on Elysium Mons (Mars)
No it's mine
I'm going to have a house on top of it with a massive spiral staircase leading up to it but a secret life for me
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I need this home now to get away from my neighbors.. thank you for the video. I'm a subscriber for a while now. 😊
Soil is the biggest hurtle, aqua farming only goes so far and soil/compost is going to be very expensive to ship and humanure takes a bit of time and the right microbes to make useable for crops and trees.
I suppose I could make a fortune selling earthworms around Venus.
@@MrFancyFingerswiggly gold! 🪱
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"humanure" nice portmanteau.
This video makes me sad I don't live in this future.
You can still help build it.
Such self-sufficiency would depend on nanotech and biotech to make complex molecules, materials and products from simple raw materials, as well as AI to fill in all the skills gaps that any family-sized group would lack in order to operate and maintain all that high tech. I think it is more likely that space settlements would grow out of scientific outposts or mining operations. "Homesteading" appeals to those who like the outdoors - the one thing that's missing in space. Settlements would be urban in nature.
Love the references to David Weber's Honor Harrington series. Feels like not enough sci-fi fans have read it.
lovely to get a look at your cool office computer Space Space!
IA mentioned STC all the warhammer fans lose their minds!
This is one of your more pleasant sounding futures episodes.
Homesteading as an Aldrin Cycler sounds interesting to me.
Congratulations on you're beautiful family!
Sent introverts to colonize planets, they wont break apart like extroverts who require parties, drugs and beer to feel enotionally stable
Most likely: first introverts, then extroverts.
If the introverts discover something valuable, the extroverts will come rushing in for the money!
You should look at michael Pollen's writing shed. An outbuilding to record in would probably be ideal since sound proofing a small outbuilding is a lot cheaper and easier than trying to build a soundproof booth inside of your home. A cinder block (CMU) building with 3" of open cell sprayfoam inside and there could be a fire truck blaring their siren in your driveway and you wouldn't notice.
You guys be you guys. We need more families like this.
Perfect ending to my day. Come home from seeing my newborn grandson and watch my favourite channel 😂 thanks again Arthur ❤👉🏴
Your family is beautiful Issac, a lucky man
The First Self Sustaining Habitat: ‘Don’t we already have the ability to build it??? Right we are still missing the nuclear space tug.’
If you have read my comments, then you know about the hyper-gravity habitat vehicle concept. The complete ring has 12 cars that are 24 meters long, 4 meters wide, and 4 meters high. I usually tell you about the double-deck cars with the sleeping capsules on the second floor.
If we have 100 residents, we just need 6 cars for sleeping capsules with 6 cars to work and live in. One of the 6 cars will be used for food manufacturing.
To be self-sustaining, they will have the nuclear power from the Space Tug that will take the habitat into a safe orbit. They will need nourishing food for a hundred people, which will include fruits and vegetables as well as…
Protein enhances your body’s ability to repair and regenerate cells.
Carbohydrates ensure you have sufficient fuel for an active day and increase your blood glucose levels, which in turn results in replenishing your energy storage reserves.
Healthy fat intake is beneficial to your body. Mealworm fat ensures a steady supply of healthy, unsaturated fat.
Dietary fiber lowers your risk of constipation, decreases cholesterol, and regulates your blood glucose levels.
Mealworms also include micronutrients and several minerals and vitamins. Mealworm minerals include copper, iron, manganese, magnesium, zinc, sodium, and potassium. Mealworm vitamins include vitamins B5, B12, and B2.
Minerals are vital for bone growth and development, whereas vitamins enhance your body’s ability to fight infections.
Mushrooms or Fungus nourishments are many;
Protein: Mushrooms contain varying amounts of protein, depending on the species. Protein content can range from about 2-4 grams per 100 grams of mushrooms.
Fiber: They are a good source of dietary fiber, which aids in digestion and helps maintain bowel regularity.
Vitamins: Mushrooms are rich in several vitamins, including:
Vitamin D: Some mushrooms, especially those exposed to sunlight or UV light during growth, can be a good source of vitamin D.
B vitamins: mushrooms are particularly high in riboflavin (B2) and niacin (B3), which are important for energy metabolism.
Vitamin C: While not as abundant as in some fruits and vegetables, mushrooms do contain vitamin C, which is important for immune function and collagen production.
Minerals: Mushrooms contain various minerals, including:
Potassium: Important for heart health and muscle function.
Selenium: Acts as an antioxidant and supports thyroid function.
Copper: Necessary for the production of red blood cells and the maintenance of nerve cells.
Phosphorus: Essential for bone health and energy metabolism.
Zinc: Important for immune function, wound healing, and DNA synthesis.
Antioxidants: Mushrooms contain various antioxidants, such as ergothioneine and selenium, which help protect cells from damage caused by free radicals.
Hopefully the robotics just need one car to grow and proses to be 3D bio-printed into a wide variety of good meals.
Good video. I personally love the dystopia fiction of runaway VR use but can see why others wouldn't.
@07:17 That imagery is just SOOO Cute😍😍😍
I rly like your way of being.
at 20:00 one way around (or out of) Mars' gravity well is with a space elevator. With Mars' lower gravity, Kevlar's strength/weight is sufficient.
Skyhooks from Photos & Deimos! 😊
@@jackdbur well . . . science.nasa.gov/mars/moons/phobos/ Phobos is below geostationary orbit and is decaying. A settlement on Phobos would be inside that mini-moon. They would use solar powered mass drivers to de-spin it and boost it to geostationary orbit. The ejecta would be well below orbital velocity and impact Mars or, more likely, burn up in the atmosphere. Then as an elevator cable is manufactured and extended to the surface a matching cable is manufactured and extended outward, so the moon stays at geostationary orbit. Perhaps the entier cable will be manufactured and the carefully unspooled. It may be necessary to import the necessary nitrigen and hydrogen from Mars. Once the cable reaches the surface and is attached, material can be sent to the end of the outward cable to surve as the counterweight pulling the cable tight. Then importing and exporting will be very easy, at just the cost of electricity for the cable cars.
Using Deimos as the basis for a second space elevator will be difficult because, if it is moved to statioary orbit, with every orbit it would have to miss Phobos and the Phobos elevator. Perhaps as Phobos is being relocated, Deimos would be relocated to an orbit above where the Phobos counterweight will eventually be located. If the Phobos counerweight is very massive it need not be very far out.
awesome life and a beautiful family
New issac video, a nice birthday gift
Happy Birthday!
Happy bday!
Happy birthday!
Thank you guys!
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You bring up the AI bit with advanced 3D printing technology suiting our every need.
I imagine if Humanity were ever to be run by a super AI in the background it might supply some of us with access to simply make whatever we want simply because of the infinite possibilities and the pursuit of knowledge.
Modern AI learns and creates through emulation. It could one day gain imagination but even if it does, the more minds you have, the more possibilities you can pursue at once. Humans would simply become a part of that great program to feed the expanding knowledge but allowed to live freely in order to not remove or overlook unique solutions to problems that could be applied somewhere else.
Hopefully we won't be trapped in a VR Matrix scenario and instead be allowed to dive out into the universe in controlled study scenarios.
I couldn't see myself ever being quite on this leading edge, I want like a frontier city on the mid periphery with relatively easy coms to Earth and lots of people moving through on their way to other places. Luna maybe or perhaps Series?
The personal touch was enlightening, so you are not a misplace alien.. well I still enjoy listening. 👍✌🖖🥃
Excellent stuff bro
Much appreciated
Break downs and other emergencies can happen randomly unless you allow problems to go unfixed.
Randomly includes different problems which just happen to happen near the same time.
Thank you for the video
Nice to know that someone will get to do this sort of thing. It won't be anyone living today. That makes me sad.
I've been trying to wet my feet in this genre of science fiction and writing - I'm loving The Expanse so far. If you have any other piece you love (book, TV show, anything really), please let me know!
Video Idea: Interplanetary/Interstellar Internet
“Oregon” rhymes with “origin”
Love these videos!
The homestead will likely orbit the planet. Too dangerous to land due to risk of ctashing and being marooned if years away from help.
As a homesteader I see this as an absolute win ❤
Love your show Isaac!
Thanks!
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The Van Der Linde gang’s resurrection in space
I bet you are a hellava good teacher and dad to your kids.
The moment that Green Acres screen was on screen, i immediately sang the chorus to the theme.
Dang, I'm old. :D