The prices of everything now is absolutely ridiculous. Started with Upper Deck and Panini carried on the tradition. Topps gets a pass as the majority of their products are priced fairly. I just watch box break videos at this point or buy singles.
@@alexkoos7876 Yeah but the point is collecting these days is garbage with products like this. Even if really rich why would you wanna open this and get hosed. Pretty pathetic stuff
I remember spending $6.00 (six) dollars on a full box, 36 packs of 1991 Score Baseball... I pulled a Mantle auto, sold it for $500 on the spot... Those were the good days... I don't give anyone a hard time for what they spend or what they pull... It's all a gamble...
Nice pull! I opened so much of that garbage and loved every second of it. Every time I saw one of those green cards in the pack I'd get excited. Never pulled an auto, though.
$500 in 1991? By whom, a complete moron? Any of those /2500 Mantles could be had for like $50 in 1991. Hell one just sold in Feb of this year for $300.
@@snerdterguson cards are what you make them. They are absolutely NOT an investment to me. I'm a collector, so are millions of others. My collection might be worth something but I'd never stake any of my economic future on it. To me, calling my cards an "investment" takes the fun out and brings the grimeyness in. I'm not saying card investors are grimey, I think there's a lot of people who call themselves that and they are chum for the scammers.
@@paulnicholson5937 You completely missed the point. If you change this much for cards, you shouldn't be filling the product with stuff no one cares about. Getting cuts etc is expensive, but getting the top tier players to sign does not cost nearly what they're charging. In reality all card boxes should give you 50% ROI, which means the total value should be about half what you paid for the box.
These cards are "high end" but I'm not seeing the individual cards sell for anywhere close to what you'd need to get your money back. Usually if the box price keeps jacking up its because the boxes are still undervalued but I just don't see the value in these at all. Like a Julio auto /5 gets you about half your money back... how could a box ever pencil out? At least with a lot of insanely priced Panini products if you hit one of the top guys out of 5 you'll at least double your money back
You probably have to hit one "monster" per box to break even. But it's a pyramid scheme. You can only sell to other "collectors", the cards really have zero intrinsic value. They are produced specifically to be collected. Claiming it is a high end product. But these autos are becoming more common and worth less and less like a decaying isotope until one day it all blows up.
Great lesson for a young collector...spend 3500 and get maybe 600 in value. Where has the hobby went? We didn't ever in a million years get ripped off like this in the 90s when there was 3 card shops in every city.
That's what I came up with. And that's assuming the relic actually sells for $60 and factoring in about $150 for the Chipper (I think I'm being very generous) before the chipper, I was thinking he had about the cost of one card in value.
Buying these products is no different than being the sucker at the casino that plays the slot machines that are $100 a pull. We are in a new junk wax era, except this time you can light your money on fire $3500 at a time.
This is the perfect example why not to buy high end boxes.. 5% chance to get your money back and 1% to make a profit.. and if our paying 3500 for a box there shouldn't be a card thats worth under at least 150 to 200 dollars... thats why you buy the cards you want and stop gambling.. and sorry phil for that horrible box.. but i love your channel and keep up the great work
So 3500$ for not even 1 card that worth 350$ it is bad... really bad! At least could have a 1/1 of Chipper Jones... Seriously that is the kind of product that kill the market for more than 10 years now.
People forget this product is very limited, nothing numbered over 25 so there's only so many cards out there so the price per box is going to be up there. I've seen multiple times more than 2 1/1s per box come out but of course some boxes are gonna be like this. I'd only buy this if I had money to burn.
when it says "the relic is not from any specific game, event or season," is it still a game used bat from that player? or is it a team issued bat from the player, not game used? some please clarify for me! Thanks!
@@MrK623 that was at the beginning of the century. all the card companies got trashed for that and are a lot more careful now. even mlb keeps track of what relic comes from what game. if it doesn't say then it's likely just from the player. maybe the bat was bad but it's from the player.
The cards up to and including the Barry Larkin brought you to around $350. If this is a $3500 box for 10 cards..... So total, with quick rounded out math, equalled $588. Sorry man I feel for ya. Glad I don't have the money to spend on these types of boxes. Cool cards though
Phil am from Canada I just finally realized who you were pitching against my Blue Jays lol newly back to the hobby. This is actually crazy. PS I’ll buy that Joey Votto of you, my favourite player IPC him.
@HIT UP ON tele_gram Real phils_pulls Jesus! I will definitely hit you up. I’m at work at this moment. I’m so excited. I even messaged my wife I went back and watched old videos man. It brings back some memories absolutely incredible. I will message you back later on brother. Thank you so much you made my week..❤️
Hall of famers like Carlton and Eckersly get no respect! Come on.....20 dollar for their autos? Give me a break. No way does a relic non auto of Bryant sell for that much. And Eloy only 15 bucks? That's a steal.
You weren't spoiled last time... it's just $3.5k for maybe $500 worth of cards. I'd be calling up the CEO of Topps lmao. That shouldn't happen, not at that price point. There should be a minimum assessed value for each box. Even if its $1k
Someone had to pay for Fanatics to buy Topps. It's awesome to get more people into our hobby, but it's becoming a rich man's game. Even a jumbo box of 23 Series 1 isn't worth $229 (or more). People need to stop listing these cards for so cheap too. HOF on card autos should be worth more than $15 to $50, across all releases. Eck, Larkin, Jones...no one seems to want them because there's too much of it out there across too many releases, and no matter what the price point, these cards tend to sell the same. I wish this would change but unfortunately it probably wont.
All of Topps relics are either game worn or player worn it says not from any specific game or event cause they can't tell you the exact game it was taken from or the event if the player just worn it but it always says on the front of the card by the relic if it's game used or player worn
Topps should be ashamed of themselves, plus why are they still. Making cards well into 2023? Doesn't fanatics own all sports cards contracts? Or is topps going to keep making 2022 cards all the way into 2026.
I don't see how they can justify putting those cards in a box that expensive. You should not lose 80% of the value spent for the box. No you shouldn't always make money or break even but they need to work on at least getting 50-75% of your money back you spent. Thanks for the rip
This box is just a prime example of not necessarily a “bad box”, but the ridiculous amount of money people are willing to pay for the gamble of the unknown by ripping. If its not a bad rookie auto that can only happen in a players first year, all these other guys are signing tens of thousands of cards and items a year and will continue until they die
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I'm glad you are able to show us these products. I'll never touch a box like this in my life lol
My heart goes out to you if you’re never able to touch a good box , have you tried tinder ?
The prices of everything now is absolutely ridiculous. Started with Upper Deck and Panini carried on the tradition. Topps gets a pass as the majority of their products are priced fairly. I just watch box break videos at this point or buy singles.
@@UncommonSense83 lmao touche
Same
@@Flores38956topps products priced fairly I chuckled at that. They are hoke of the worst roi in the industry on some of there higher end stuff
3K loss on that box easily... Phil said he was mad.. I would've felt homicidal after that opening!
It's like playing the lotto. Don't use money you need for bills!
no one to be mad at but yourself.
3k to Phil is like $30 to us normies
He’s made over 80 million dollars in salary from baseball alone he will be ok
@@alexkoos7876 Yeah but the point is collecting these days is garbage with products like this. Even if really rich why would you wanna open this and get hosed. Pretty pathetic stuff
That’s the kind of box that would tell me to stop buying/collecting.
Thanks Phil for taking the bullet for us.
Been watching this channel for a fat minute and i legitimately didn't know you were phil hughes! lol thats awesome bro
Your edits and clips in between are the funniest in any videos I watch. The red clip…. “Whatever ya gotta tell yourself….” 😂
I remember paying 1400-1600 for diamond icons boxes. Same quality at over double the price hurts my heart for the hobby.
Brutal. Only when people stop paying these prices will things change? $3500 gets you alot of graded hof rc’s. Unreal.
Good Show Phil as always...I will watch whatever you open man....from start to finish. Keep em rolling
I remember spending $6.00 (six) dollars on a full box, 36 packs of 1991 Score Baseball... I pulled a Mantle auto, sold it for $500 on the spot... Those were the good days... I don't give anyone a hard time for what they spend or what they pull... It's all a gamble...
Nice pull! I opened so much of that garbage and loved every second of it. Every time I saw one of those green cards in the pack I'd get excited. Never pulled an auto, though.
I pulled the unsigned card. And still treasure it today.
$500 in 1991? By whom, a complete moron? Any of those /2500 Mantles could be had for like $50 in 1991. Hell one just sold in Feb of this year for $300.
Thumbs up on video, down on box, and BIG thumbs up to the Editor!
Ouch. I love the Will Clark, but ouch man. Thank you for showing us this stuff.
BRUTAL! Also, whoever does your editing is awesome. I'll buy the Arenado if you sell any off the break.
Absolutely brutal. Maybe around 10% ROI which is awful *especially* for a "premium" product.
cards are not an investment....
They absolutely are. Now opening packs is a poor choice to build your investment. But cards themselves are obviously an investment.
@@snerdterguson cards are what you make them. They are absolutely NOT an investment to me. I'm a collector, so are millions of others. My collection might be worth something but I'd never stake any of my economic future on it. To me, calling my cards an "investment" takes the fun out and brings the grimeyness in. I'm not saying card investors are grimey, I think there's a lot of people who call themselves that and they are chum for the scammers.
@@brentwalker5726 obviously not everyone uses them as an investment. I responded to someone definitively stating that they are NOT investments.
@@paulnicholson5937 You completely missed the point. If you change this much for cards, you shouldn't be filling the product with stuff no one cares about. Getting cuts etc is expensive, but getting the top tier players to sign does not cost nearly what they're charging. In reality all card boxes should give you 50% ROI, which means the total value should be about half what you paid for the box.
Damn, that was brutal. At least they're on-card autos. Thanks Phil!
These cards are "high end" but I'm not seeing the individual cards sell for anywhere close to what you'd need to get your money back. Usually if the box price keeps jacking up its because the boxes are still undervalued but I just don't see the value in these at all. Like a Julio auto /5 gets you about half your money back... how could a box ever pencil out? At least with a lot of insanely priced Panini products if you hit one of the top guys out of 5 you'll at least double your money back
You probably have to hit one "monster" per box to break even. But it's a pyramid scheme. You can only sell to other "collectors", the
cards really have zero intrinsic value. They are produced specifically to be collected. Claiming it is a high end product. But these autos are becoming more common and worth less and less like a decaying isotope until one day it all blows up.
Love all your videos!! Thank you so much
Brutal rip Phil, thanks for the upload!
WOW... Less than $600 in all... Ouch!!!!!!! They could at least but sometimes that would get you half back your money. That one was painful
I love the chipper card
2 of those boxes or a Satchel Paige RC 🤔
Great lesson for a young collector...spend 3500 and get maybe 600 in value. Where has the hobby went? We didn't ever in a million years get ripped off like this in the 90s when there was 3 card shops in every city.
Might barely have $500 worth of cards there. Absolutely brutal
$3500 for $500.
$500 is being pretty generous, too lmao
That's what I came up with. And that's assuming the relic actually sells for $60 and factoring in about $150 for the Chipper (I think I'm being very generous) before the chipper, I was thinking he had about the cost of one card in value.
Is there a guarantee if you ordered a case?
This was a brutal hit. Definitely took one for the team. If anyone at Topps/Fanatics watching this give him something this was a tragedy.
I'm driving a car that cost less than that box lol 😆
I don't know how you stayed so calm.
And of course, nothing on the backs.. 10 “half” cards for $3500, way to go Topps, good thing they made it so there’s no competition for baseball cards
Buying these products is no different than being the sucker at the casino that plays the slot machines that are $100 a pull. We are in a new junk wax era, except this time you can light your money on fire $3500 at a time.
Love your content and thanks for taking that one for the tons of us who would love to have a box like that but just cant afford it
Rough…but gotta get those boxes outta the way to get to the good ones! Have a great day Phil & thanks for sharing.
Topps taking the money and running 🏃♂️ 🤑🤯
I appreciate the honesty in your pulls and for showing comps. It keeps me from pulling the trigger myself on these high-end products. 🙈
So glad ur back 😊
Wow, sorry for the lackluster box. Thanks for the box review.
This is the perfect example why not to buy high end boxes.. 5% chance to get your money back and 1% to make a profit.. and if our paying 3500 for a box there shouldn't be a card thats worth under at least 150 to 200 dollars... thats why you buy the cards you want and stop gambling.. and sorry phil for that horrible box.. but i love your channel and keep up the great work
2021 Topps: Send Phil loaded boxes
2023 Fanatics: We can't send him loaded boxes, so make sure there are no case hits in those.
Holly molly! $300 worth of cards. Thanks Phil. Always enjoy your vids.
Do you hear that? its the Execs at Topps laughing and toasting single malt. Hurry up Mike down that thing, Tee time is at 130.
We as collectors have to stop buying these super-premium products it's the only way to get the companies to put more value back in their products.
My favorite super high end product is topps dynasty but these are nice too.
4:15 what is that centering and who approved it? QA no different than a $300 box. Topps just out here taking all your money.
Are you putting the Eloy up on eBay?
It's really really sad when a box containing a Carlton, Eckersley, Larkin, Arenado, and a Chipper Jones autos is considered a dud box.
I fully understand and appreciate your honesty. You took it on the chin. You will bounce back.
So 3500$ for not even 1 card that worth 350$ it is bad... really bad! At least could have a 1/1 of Chipper Jones... Seriously that is the kind of product that kill the market for more than 10 years now.
People forget this product is very limited, nothing numbered over 25 so there's only so many cards out there so the price per box is going to be up there. I've seen multiple times more than 2 1/1s per box come out but of course some boxes are gonna be like this. I'd only buy this if I had money to burn.
I really like that you went back to an old camera or something. Looks way better than when everything was blown out and to bright to watch.
when it says "the relic is not from any specific game, event or season," is it still a game used bat from that player? or is it a team issued bat from the player, not game used? some please clarify for me! Thanks!
The patches and bats used to be more authenticated. Now it is usually a gray area unless specified.
@@MrK623 that was at the beginning of the century. all the card companies got trashed for that and are a lot more careful now. even mlb keeps track of what relic comes from what game. if it doesn't say then it's likely just from the player. maybe the bat was bad but it's from the player.
The cards up to and including the Barry Larkin brought you to around $350. If this is a $3500 box for 10 cards..... So total, with quick rounded out math, equalled $588. Sorry man I feel for ya. Glad I don't have the money to spend on these types of boxes. Cool cards though
Phil am from Canada I just finally realized who you were pitching against my Blue Jays lol newly back to the hobby. This is actually crazy. PS I’ll buy that Joey Votto of you, my favourite player IPC him.
@HIT UP ON tele_gram Real phils_pulls Jesus! I will definitely hit you up. I’m at work at this moment. I’m so excited. I even messaged my wife I went back and watched old videos man. It brings back some memories absolutely incredible. I will message you back later on brother. Thank you so much you made my week..❤️
That's not a swing and a miss, that's an injury when walking up to the plate.
Jeez… $3,500 for a couple hundo worth of cards. Topps you lost your damn mind.
Man, have to like and comment... sorry for your loss! I could hear the pain in your voice! Better luck next rip
Absolutely love that Arenado. As a STL fan Id be happy with that box, of course a Goldy would be a killer addition.
And that’s why I buy singles. Thanks for the rip.
More like cubic zirconia..Topps laughing all the way to the bank. $3500 product and pull Matt Chapman hahaha
This was like a mortal kombat finishing move: brutality.
Eloy autos in a 3500 box
Honestly I didn’t know boxes this bad existed.
My ass even hurts after this Topps fail.
I could feel the pain in his voice
Hall of famers like Carlton and Eckersly get no respect! Come on.....20 dollar for their autos? Give me a break. No way does a relic non auto of Bryant sell for that much. And Eloy only 15 bucks? That's a steal.
As long as we keep buying them at these outrageous prices....the prices will remain high.
Thanks
That box was brutal
Yes more Phil’s pulls!
Excellent cards my friend 💯, you have great luck. Diamond Cuts rule 💯.
Got me on the spin-a-roony , thought an epic card was incoming!
You weren't spoiled last time... it's just $3.5k for maybe $500 worth of cards. I'd be calling up the CEO of Topps lmao. That shouldn't happen, not at that price point. There should be a minimum assessed value for each box. Even if its $1k
Someone had to pay for Fanatics to buy Topps. It's awesome to get more people into our hobby, but it's becoming a rich man's game. Even a jumbo box of 23 Series 1 isn't worth $229 (or more).
People need to stop listing these cards for so cheap too. HOF on card autos should be worth more than $15 to $50, across all releases. Eck, Larkin, Jones...no one seems to want them because there's too much of it out there across too many releases, and no matter what the price point, these cards tend to sell the same.
I wish this would change but unfortunately it probably wont.
Wow, that was a painful experience. Tough box Phil.
phil, you're the icon of my diamond.
That was brutal
That's like what 450 to 500 in cards for 3500 . Sheesh
4 hall of fame autos is I feel like a lot better than 75% of boxes I see. Sadly.
I love the chipper 😂
All of Topps relics are either game worn or player worn it says not from any specific game or event cause they can't tell you the exact game it was taken from or the event if the player just worn it but it always says on the front of the card by the relic if it's game used or player worn
That Will Clark 🔥
Bad box man, but glad to see you back
Thanks for sharing.
$350/card and the best card he pulled was $180... what a scam 💸
Topps should be ashamed of themselves, plus why are they still. Making cards well into 2023? Doesn't fanatics own all sports cards contracts?
Or is topps going to keep making 2022 cards all the way into 2026.
That box must have been like a kick to the groin.
Better luck next break I really enjoy seeing new baseball cards
I don't see how they can justify putting those cards in a box that expensive. You should not lose 80% of the value spent for the box. No you shouldn't always make money or break even but they need to work on at least getting 50-75% of your money back you spent. Thanks for the rip
I would not pay $350 for that product. And they say it is a high end product ? Just in the price, not in the contents.
25 years from now, kids will be like, 350$ a card, I wish I could go back and get that.
(X) to doubt on that one. I doubt these are going to be iconic cards at all in 25 years
Crypto cards
These boxes are like trying to hit scratch offs!......
“Hot Garbage” is what a Junk Wax Sal would say.
$3500 outlay for a $583 return. Ouch. Fckn Topps
That's the worst box of Icons Ive ever seen. It even $500 worth of cardboard in there.
Idk how they can have one box with a few huge bangers and then another with absolutely nothing in it
Ugh...I can hear my wife bitching about that one for months lol... Thanks Phil!
That was a rough one bud.
There’s Phil!!!!!
I have a few of your cards. Love your channel.
Phil has me watching his openings and I don’t even collect sports cards …Sorry for the disappointing box😢 Content is still fire🔥🔥
Same, just entertaining seeing his reactions
I'm born and raised in Michigan. Other than Jeter your only the other Yankee I liked. You the Man Phil's Pulls 👊
Could you please send me the DM link one more time. Thank you 👊
This box is just a prime example of not necessarily a “bad box”, but the ridiculous amount of money people are willing to pay for the gamble of the unknown by ripping. If its not a bad rookie auto that can only happen in a players first year, all these other guys are signing tens of thousands of cards and items a year and will continue until they die
Phil's pulls Phil's pulls Phil's pulls!!!!!!!!!!!
Topps should be embarrassed charging that much for that box. What a joke!