Hello everyone! After looking through the comments and digging in a little more, I'll like to make some corrections to the video; I admit that I was wrong about Childe, Nahida and Nilou. - Polar Star is better DPS wise than the short CD reduction for C1 - Overlooked the dendro aura being consumed too fast when playing Nilou as enabler for bloom teams and yea, in both situations Key is better (Plus the HP stats) - While I don't think Nahida's C1 is too impactful, there's definitely better subs for her weapon and C1 slightly edges it out. But personally, its either C0 or C2 for her As for Hu Tao, I still maintain that C1 is better even if C0 Hu Tao works well with Xianyun. While I see big numbers, one common complaint I've seen is that she has inconsistencies in vaping and still feels awkward to use. For games like Genshin, how a character feels in the hands of a player is important as well. This is similar to Klee imo, where she puts out the numbers (at least in year 1) but feels clunky to play. Do let me know any more of your thoughts, would love to hear from you guys
It might not seem like a lot, but the welkin and battlepass, even if you don't get the primos and wishes from them immediately, are a much better investement. The most expensive top up bundle with the bonus gives 50 pulls, not even a guaranteed 5 star, without the bonus, you get 40, just trust me when I say you are not missing out ^^ The whales you see online cannot even afford their purchases, they just go into credit card debt for views.
@@pemberlyI think most ppl know that the welkin and BP are the best value for money, you don't really see anyone buying the lowest value genesis crystal bundle. Also where tf are you getting the idea that whales are only getting into credit card debt, that genuinely sounds like bs you made up lol.
Only welkin and BP is better don't worry about wasting on top up I only did once and it feels shit when you can't even guarantee a limited 5 star even with the bonus
@@pemberly And yet people still defend this game which is CRAZY. If I spend $100 on Genshin. I wanna go from no 5 star, to the C2 of the 5 star I'm trying to get. The value of top ups is absolutely ludicrous.
Im not sure about other characters, but as a main childe ever since 1.1 I can assure you that Polar Star is far better than his C1. His C1 is actually pretty pointless, taking a few time to learn how to play him properly, you basically wont ever struggle with cd and jf you stay in his stance for too long, the cd will be still be long with C1, basically an Abyss reset if youre doing abyss… for whales… his C1 is even worse since C6 straight up make negates it by reseting the cd. Besides, polar star is just a REALLY good weapon overall, the 33% crit is clutch and the atk buff is huge, tho its perfect for Childe, it can be comfortably used in other bow characters not only for statstick
I do like using c1 but its not a major increase in actual damage. I would have gone for his weapon but I got his c1 on his first rerun after getting him when he was released before polar star wasn't a thing yet.
Would have to agree with you on that. I would probably have agreed to get C1 over weapon back when the weapon banner had 2 Fate Points, but now that the weapon costs just as much - even a little less bc of lower guarantee on the weapon banner - I'd definitely say go for the weapon first.
His c1 makes him feel better to play. Straight up. If you care more about damage input then yeah the weapon is better, but if you dont wanna hate yourself then c1.
@@RolfKieranGacha it was a really great video mate, although I disagreed with one or two parts, I understood your perspective on it! Also you're completely right in how Neville's C1 is as good if not better than R1 (I ended up going for both on his rerun and it cost me 350 pulls unfortunately), but both are amazing upgrades, and people underrate the team flexibility without damage reduction C1 brings (since his best team mate is Furina)
recommending Nilous C1 over the Key is soooo wrong tho. the key is better in every single way and every single scenario. the HUGE amount of Stats u get from it i addition to the passive EM effect is just broken in a nilou bloom team. the dmg difference to a nilou with or without key is like night and day.
a few things: - childe’s weapon is wayyy better than his c1, his c1 (and pretty much all his cons aside from c3 and c5 ) are mostly useless - ganyu’s burst is actually a major part of her damage output due to the semi quadratic scaling people seem to just forget abt it bc it’s not big screenshot number, and amos while being solid for gansu, ironically enough it’s one of her worst 5 star weapons - hu tao:’s best teams now actually run xianyun, and since usually you jump to cancel charged attack for more damage with c0 hu tao, and you dash with c1, her c1 kinda became irrelevant if you’re using xianyun since you don’t use as much stamina and jump cancels with c0 already pair well with xianyun charged attack plunge play style - everlasting moon glow is almost worth it just for the fashion lmao but other than that c1 and r1 abt the same - nilou’s r1 is *massive* and nilou procs *very* few of the blooms on her team, usually the process the second hydro (not your dendritic characters don’t build full em on them) also even if nilou is proccing most of your blooms r1 would still be better because the hp for her is *huge*, it’s like a 20% damage increase for the ENTIRE TEAM in her bloom teams - nahida c1 is better especially since it gets u closer to c2
imagine saying amos is one of Ganyu's worst weapons kekw i have aqua, hunter's path and amos Amos does way more dmg Oh look when you use its passive it actually deals dmg not like 99% of people staying afk in front of mobs with zhongli shield maybe try to keep distance and use max dmg of weapon cause 40% bonus dmg on both arrow and frostflake bloom it's actually pretty insane
@@kronorave4444 the problem is that it’s not always realistic to keep a lot of distance, especially against enemies that just run into you and in abyss you’re locked into a pretty medium sized room, also i said it’s one of her worst *5 stars* because it is if we go based off calcs, maybe it’s still in the top 3 or 4 but considering it’s supposed to be her signature that’s honestly kind of pathetic
I agree with most of the things you said, but Amos is underrated for Ganyu. Yes, other weapons are indeed better in both of her playstyles, but difference is much smaller than people think (especially if you don't play optimally). For example, in melt teams, a single CA performed without Bennet buff makes difference between Amos and Hunter/Aqua much smaller. In overworld Amos feels much better than any other weapon (Aqua passive doesn't work, you don't have Bennet buff active all the time resulting in a lack of attack when using 44 base Atk weapons, you won't always be melting which makes EM heavy Hunter's path builds fall off, polar star stacks are annoying to get). I've done duo Abyss runs with Ganyu and Kazuha, and I heavily prefer Amos there too. I still don't recommend actively pulling for Amos because it isn't very universal and isn't her BiS, but if you already have it, non of the 5-star weapons will feel like a real upgrade (only situational). However, calling it one of the worst 5-star weapons is very misleading considering there are 9 bows and Amos is consistently on the upper half (and difference with a real BiS is pretty small)
@@gackajink585 thats the bad part of being one of the first characters. If Ganyu was a new character her signature would have crit as main stat + constellation that gives +3 levels to basic attacks If miyoho was a good company they would rework these things about old characters but you know MONEY MONEY MONEY btw pls I main Ganyu since I started in 2.4 and I can assure you that if you play with hands you can fully maximize amos passive (you dont need to be at 2km of distance but just enough to get 0.5s of arrow travel)
@@DVDia-mt5nl I only said that Amos isnt her worst weapon if you compare dmg but ofc it's way better getting aqua/first magic cause its more flexible (idk if hunter's path is good on somebody else except tighnari but you cant get it so it's pointless to even consider it for average player unless you pulled for it when the tighnari banner was on or the chronicled wish, problem is that we dont know when it will come back) also you can get amos from standard so it isnt worth to pull for it from weapon banner but if you want to get the best Ganyu build Amos is the best if used properly or Lyney's signature in combo with shenhe in team so you get 2 stacks of atk + crit dmg as mainstat on melt if you play freeze then aqua is best cause of dmg on all kit and not only basic attacks
It's been pointed out already, but I'll state it again just to reinforce the provided criticism. Childe: Childe's C1 has unanimously been agreed upon as pretty useless after people learned how to play him past 1.x. In a Spiral Abyss context, there is no need for it when running proper rotations. The "overworld" excuse is somewhat plausible, but Childe should be strong enough to kill things fast without accruing a high CD if he is swapped out/turns the form off after fighting. And if we were to consider overworld, having Polar Star would just make him kill enemies quicker anyway. A big note about this is how you mentioned that Alhaitham's C1 is really bad; you're not wrong about that, but it does a much better job at upholding infusion uptime in co-op and overworld compared to Childe's C1. Alhaitham is generally a stronger character meta-wise as well. By logic, if a generally stronger character that has better infusion uptime with C1 is considered a bad upgrade, then Childe's C1's is dookie in comparison. Nilou: Key of Khaj-Nisut is considered one of the best weapons to pull for simply due to how large of an upgrade it is for almost every character it can be used on. Even in just the context of Nilou, not only is the HP% massive for her, but the reason why it is considered broken on top of this is due to its passive. The EM gain for the whole team is absurdly high and party-wide, complementing the fact that no one in a Nilou team can consistently be the Bloom trigger. This amounts to increasing Bloom damage through hitting her HP threshold while providing an unparalleled amount of team EM to increase it even further on everyone else. The weapon would be good otherwise if it just had the substat OR the passive, but it has both. This equates to roughly a ~20% TEAM-WIDE damage increase, not just a damage increase for herself. For her C1, it is not useless, but its impact is pretty middling. Increasing damage on her infusion simply does not matter until C6, because its damage is quite low, and she is not used for her infusion until C6. C6 does not matter in the context of this discussion. Having an extra 6 seconds of Hydro application on her ring is alright, but is very inconsequential compared to a literal 20% team DPS increase. It will only cause a few extra Bloom procs. Having 100% uptime on the ring is more like a QoL than anything, since her skill downtime can be filled in by using her burst, or filled in by using Kokomi/Barbara (who are ranged anyway). These mistakes are worth pointing out because the community has extensively discussed it, and there is really no argument in favor of C1 > R1 for these characters. Childe's constellations are awful, C1 & C6 doing the same useless thing, and C4 being fine but sometimes ruins Vapes. You pointed out that Alhaitham's constellations are bad, which they are, but his C1 accomplishes more CD reduction, and the rest of his constellations at least provide free raw stats, so it makes little sense for Childe relative to that. It is also common knowledge that Key of Khaj-Nisut is just an anomaly of being THAT broken. I hope this does not come off as rude, but this is essential information for a discussion. These glaring mistakes aren't really up for debate anymore, since they have become common knowledge in the community. It perpetuates misinformation and conveys that your arguments behind your stance aren't researched or backed by easily accessible theorycrafting. Edit: I actually wrote this before your edited message, but accidentally never pressed publish. Then when I published it much later, I reloaded and saw that you already updated your comment to reflect this information. I'll leave the comment up just so other people can read it, but I acknowledge that you've already reviewed the criticism and provided necessary corrections.
Im f2p, but im very selective about who i pull, idc about the meta or the theater, so i always pull who i like and make my teams based on that, so i would like to get venti (and his c1, if possible, as the three feathered arrows looks SUPER COOL) yelan's c1, nilou's weapon (i would need it for kirara, layla, nilou herself) i got very lucky and got alhaitham's weapon very early on, so for the sake of comfort i might pull for c1. I'm debating on neuvillette c1, but i think i like my team now (Layla as shielder, so i can also freeze enemies comfortably) so i might go for weapon instead
@@urgaguer i don't have furina and i don't have Charlotte either ☹️ i do really like layla's design and character though, so i'm happy to give her some use. My neuvi team is mostly just an excuse to use characters i really like that i wouldnt have much use for otherwise anyway
if youre happy with layla as your shielder, go for neuvi’s weapon. although his f2p options are still great on him (prototype amber, the new ash-graven drinking horn), tome will give you a lot more damage and it gives you energy as well. im gonna go for it next time it comes around
@@gimbo4025 my neuvi is using r5 widsith right now :) I'm using the event catalyst on Barbara (she's on the same team as neuvi for resonance and the C2 hydro dmg bonus
@@monikaaaax3 widsith is a great stat stick, but unless youre vaporizing with him, only one of the passive effects (elemental dmg bonus) benefits him. the atk bonus is completely useless, and the em buff only has the one use case. i find widsith frustrating to use cause you cant choose which effect it gives. it also has too much downtime imo
As Mualani C1 R1 owner I think her C1 more valuable than her R1 assuming you can get RoY or Widsith. Her C1 are quite big for her single target and AoE. With same team and set up, my 1st sharky bite can get 400k+ dmg and become 800k dmg at C1. Plus she spawn Jaws Shark at max bite stack to enemies that got bumped earlier. Very neat.
Umm, c1 is a 19% dmg increase vs a 28% dmg increase through her weapon. The main reason to get c1 is to make her less clunky to play and improve her exploration. AKA 30% longer skill duration out of combat and more fronloaded less clunky gameplay vs a bigger dmg weapon that can be played on muliple characters.
quick note for the itto one: he isnt COMPLETELY a defense scaler, he just converts defense into a lot of attack, so a lot of other claymore can work for him
Yeah, I definitely prefer his weapon over C1. Childe's contellations are pretty bad overall when compared to other characters. And I'm saying that as somebody who have Childe at C6. It's like 2-3 years ago now that I went for his C6. I did it because he's my favorite character, and he still is to this day.
raiden's weapon is about a 10-15% dmg increase, while c2 is a 50-60% dmg increase. even if it takes more pulls, it's a lot more cost efficient to go c2 raiden, and if someone doesn't have the pulls for it I wouldn't really reccomend the weapon since it isnt a major increase. also, the jump from c2 to c3 is also bigger than c2 to c2r1, so realistically you'd only really want to get her weapon after c3
Baizhu cons are actually priceless bc he starts to heal enough even if you build him dps and if you build him dps he provides decent additional damage. I just use him as my main source of damage in the abyss.
c1 isn’t better c2 is obv insane and outclasses even an r5 floating dreams but r1 vs c1 r1 wins also bcs of the versatility of the weapon being a supportive one that can benefit a lot of teams even when not on nahida. c1 nahida is incredibly underwhelming and only rly buffs her burst which isn’t the main reason you play nahida in the first place
I think the HuTao C1 is a bit iffy comfort wise 100% But her best team doesn’t involve her charged attack and instead uses plunges. So if you really really want to get the most from her her weapon would be better you just need a cloud retainer
@@niderk The damage logs are out there. This is already really well documented. Her plunge attack just has a higher damage scaling it for the most part boils down to this. A C1R1 HuTao can about match a HuTao C0R1 plunging but still be off by 20k damage while for the most part this is negligible you not only loose out on the benifit of HuTao having AoE it’s just a higher cost team. If you want to factor in “you need a xianyun” it would be the same cost for a team but that’s still a free extra 5 star that you can use. Look I’m going to be honest any one can randomly say “oh my c2 HuTao does more damage” and flat out lie. Which I’ll say you’re probably not but I’m going off of my own numbers and most of the general players testings that have videos.
@@Rennmi sure on spreadsheets plunge is higher but in reality plunge hu tao is just dogshit to play and c1 is usually better in reality. Its the same reason that xiao's best team is often regarded to be with xianyun instead of bennet since playing xiao with bennet just feels like shit
@@cantanuh One, not really the same thing. And 2 is just a flat out subjective take. By saying plunge HuTao sucks as a blanket statement you assume the whole player base would rather play her charged attack build (witch just ain’t true) Plenty of people find one build more fun then the other. Then the whole xiao thing is mostly because Xianyun is flat out a better support for him???? She brings crit rate, plunge damage, and heals to the team instead of just heals an attack. Not to add she HEALS THE ENTIRE TEAM and seeing as Xiao is almost always ran with furina this means her fanfare is built up infinitely faster. One of your points just doesn’t apply and is bad. And the other is subjective and ignores people who prefer the plunge playstyle (and trust me there are a lot of people who like plunge tao) just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean others won’t.
It is possible, to run Yelan with Aqua and Hp-Sands in double Hydro, but it requires a bit of luck with Artifact rolls to get over 160 RE with a decent CV.
HuTao, Raiden, Gaming and Wriosthesley, C1+ (Raiden needs C2 and Gaming needs C6). Neuvilette, Arlecchino, Mualani, Kinich, Navia, Lyney, Ayaka and Clorinde = R1. The other dps that weren't mentioned, it's just because they weren't good enough.
It's important not to stay on Tartaglia for too long, even in the hypothetical case where Tartaglia has zero cd, you don't want to stay on him for too long to vaporize Xiangling's damage, unless the enemy hp is already very low, that's one of the reasons why his C1 is such a bad constellation, you really don't want to use Tartaglia on the field for longer than you would use him at C0, his C1 would only be useful in case something out of our control prevents u from switching characters in time, but it's not useful for dealing more damage
lol for Hutao her C1 is better than Homa, UNLESS you're playing Furina Cloud Retainer. In that team you want to do N2CJP, which means your stamina is no longer an issue
hey i know this video is off c1 vs weapon but i heard wanderer is coming back in the next patches. I already have him c1 so I was wondering should I pull for his signature or c2? I have the widsith on him as his weapon
While you have debatable takes, i have to object to how you made a mistake in the first minute, caught it, and didn't fix it. Let's talk about our first character Bennett. This feels like thrown together slopped out content, if you care about it, that's not coming through.
@@RolfKieranGacha you might've got this already but he meant to say you should've redo your video from beginning after making that mistake rather than proceeding as is & adding *venti on screen. Man, being honest I was shocked at 1st as well since this was the 1st time I clicked on your video & i was looking at my food at that point & had to rewind & watch again to understand what happened. but honestly the point dominic raised is the exact thing i simply loved about the whole video. This tells so much abt you like how u aren't manupulating/changing/perfecting your content to the T for pleasing people/watch time but just talked about what you feel. thats what is missing these days- honesty & thats why i didnt even knew when the video ended!❤
Ayato c1 is better than the weapon due to his obscene amount of other usable options both f2p and otherwise. His AoE in group scenarios makes the condition very easy to meet. It's noticeable when you use him as a driver, it's noticeable when bossing. You also claimed that Nilou's weapon is better if Dendro is procing the blooms. This is NEVER true. You consume Dendro much faster resulting in far less blooms if you do that. There are several guides on youtube that go into more detail about this interaction. Her c1 is very nice quality of life but is not better than her weapon. Lastly Mualani's c1 is vastly superior to her weapon. Widsith has a good chance of being useful. Her f2p options are great. C1 on a nuking unit giving bonus dmg on the first shark bite is insane dps
@@RolfKieranGacha with Shenhe you can often use other weapons, with Fav being a favourite for most, but calamity queller is easily her BiS with how much it increases her Atk (her main important stat, like Yun Jin with Def), it also makes it easier to invest in a ER sands and ER substats. The issue with the catch is that it is heavily wanted by multiple characters and isn't actually that good on her outside of the higher ER than Fav. Also I feel like C1 is over valued, but it makes way for C2/C3 which are her biggest buffs and for most units in a rotation, you don't need both press/hold versions at the same time as you are unlikely to be doing skill/burst and NA/CA/Plunge dmg at the same time. Even still, for Ayaka, you can do a rotation, do a press, and then when you burst with Ayaka, you can press skill again and it'll have full uptime to buff Ayaka's burst. I know that this is different with Wrizzley, just an example Lastly, for other units, it's a good option for atk scalers, although often not the best, but can be used and often valued over other 4 star options. For instance it's better than catch on Raiden, better than 4 stars on Arle, a great choice on Rosaria/Xiao and 2nd best for Emilie
Its depend on what weapons you have, if you already have Homa or Jade spear or the staff of scarlet sand then c1 c2 c3 is worth more than Arlec signature weapon.
Not always, while it makes building a character easier in most cases and is usually their BIS, there are some cases where alternatives can do well, like for Claymore characters with Serpent Spine.
@@RolfKieranGacha no the thing is weapons are good for your account its something you can always use at anyone but cons are just a waste to make the character stronger and probably no one need it so yeah unless you like the character cons are good at that time
@@glowingbluesky I see your point definitely. there's weapons like Homa that is pretty universal but there's also weapons like Tranquil for Furina that's specific for her besides it being a crit stat stick
@@glowingbluesky lmao ur acting like support c1’s don’t exist. furina c1 is a huge buff to her personal and team damage but her weapon? it’s a damage increase only to her and requires more er. sure c1 buffing her support wouldn’t be a lot to add for an account if it wasn’t for the fact that she’s one of the most widely used supports
@@gackajink585 weapons are good for everyone that's why there value is higher but ofc depends on the weapon , c1 is just op shi that you don't need and if you want my. Honest opinion specialy if you're f2p stay away from both new characters are always better and more Fun
Hello everyone!
After looking through the comments and digging in a little more, I'll like to make some corrections to the video;
I admit that I was wrong about Childe, Nahida and Nilou.
- Polar Star is better DPS wise than the short CD reduction for C1
- Overlooked the dendro aura being consumed too fast when playing Nilou as enabler for bloom teams and yea, in both situations Key is better (Plus the HP stats)
- While I don't think Nahida's C1 is too impactful, there's definitely better subs for her weapon and C1 slightly edges it out. But personally, its either C0 or C2 for her
As for Hu Tao, I still maintain that C1 is better even if C0 Hu Tao works well with Xianyun. While I see big numbers, one common complaint I've seen is that she has inconsistencies in vaping and still feels awkward to use. For games like Genshin, how a character feels in the hands of a player is important as well. This is similar to Klee imo, where she puts out the numbers (at least in year 1) but feels clunky to play.
Do let me know any more of your thoughts, would love to hear from you guys
Crazy underrated video. This is super useful as someone who only buys welkins
It might not seem like a lot, but the welkin and battlepass, even if you don't get the primos and wishes from them immediately, are a much better investement.
The most expensive top up bundle with the bonus gives 50 pulls, not even a guaranteed 5 star, without the bonus, you get 40, just trust me when I say you are not missing out ^^
The whales you see online cannot even afford their purchases, they just go into credit card debt for views.
@@pemberlyI think most ppl know that the welkin and BP are the best value for money, you don't really see anyone buying the lowest value genesis crystal bundle. Also where tf are you getting the idea that whales are only getting into credit card debt, that genuinely sounds like bs you made up lol.
Only welkin and BP is better don't worry about wasting on top up I only did once and it feels shit when you can't even guarantee a limited 5 star even with the bonus
Fyodor pfp 🛐
@@pemberly And yet people still defend this game which is CRAZY. If I spend $100 on Genshin. I wanna go from no 5 star, to the C2 of the 5 star I'm trying to get. The value of top ups is absolutely ludicrous.
Im not sure about other characters, but as a main childe ever since 1.1 I can assure you that Polar Star is far better than his C1. His C1 is actually pretty pointless, taking a few time to learn how to play him properly, you basically wont ever struggle with cd and jf you stay in his stance for too long, the cd will be still be long with C1, basically an Abyss reset if youre doing abyss… for whales… his C1 is even worse since C6 straight up make negates it by reseting the cd. Besides, polar star is just a REALLY good weapon overall, the 33% crit is clutch and the atk buff is huge, tho its perfect for Childe, it can be comfortably used in other bow characters not only for statstick
I do like using c1 but its not a major increase in actual damage. I would have gone for his weapon but I got his c1 on his first rerun after getting him when he was released before polar star wasn't a thing yet.
Would have to agree with you on that. I would probably have agreed to get C1 over weapon back when the weapon banner had 2 Fate Points, but now that the weapon costs just as much - even a little less bc of lower guarantee on the weapon banner - I'd definitely say go for the weapon first.
His c1 makes him feel better to play. Straight up. If you care more about damage input then yeah the weapon is better, but if you dont wanna hate yourself then c1.
You touched on it with others, but for Albedo if you dont have his event weapon, you can go for Chiori/Xilonen weapon way more than his C1
oh yes, Uraku is definitely good with Albedo.
just do literally anything else than grab his cons lmao
@@RolfKieranGacha it was a really great video mate, although I disagreed with one or two parts, I understood your perspective on it!
Also you're completely right in how Neville's C1 is as good if not better than R1 (I ended up going for both on his rerun and it cost me 350 pulls unfortunately), but both are amazing upgrades, and people underrate the team flexibility without damage reduction C1 brings (since his best team mate is Furina)
Even the new F2P forge sword from Natlan works for him and Chiori
recommending Nilous C1 over the Key is soooo wrong tho. the key is better in every single way and every single scenario. the HUGE amount of Stats u get from it i addition to the passive EM effect is just broken in a nilou bloom team. the dmg difference to a nilou with or without key is like night and day.
a few things:
- childe’s weapon is wayyy better than his c1, his c1 (and pretty much all his cons aside from c3 and c5 ) are mostly useless
- ganyu’s burst is actually a major part of her damage output due to the semi quadratic scaling people seem to just forget abt it bc it’s not big screenshot number, and amos while being solid for gansu, ironically enough it’s one of her worst 5 star weapons
- hu tao:’s best teams now actually run xianyun, and since usually you jump to cancel charged attack for more damage with c0 hu tao, and you dash with c1, her c1 kinda became irrelevant if you’re using xianyun since you don’t use as much stamina and jump cancels with c0 already pair well with xianyun charged attack plunge play style
- everlasting moon glow is almost worth it just for the fashion lmao but other than that c1 and r1 abt the same
- nilou’s r1 is *massive* and nilou procs *very* few of the blooms on her team, usually the process the second hydro (not your dendritic characters don’t build full em on them) also even if nilou is proccing most of your blooms r1 would still be better because the hp for her is *huge*, it’s like a 20% damage increase for the ENTIRE TEAM in her bloom teams
- nahida c1 is better especially since it gets u closer to c2
imagine saying amos is one of Ganyu's worst weapons kekw
i have aqua, hunter's path and amos
Amos does way more dmg
Oh look when you use its passive it actually deals dmg not like 99% of people staying afk in front of mobs with zhongli shield maybe try to keep distance and use max dmg of weapon cause 40% bonus dmg on both arrow and frostflake bloom it's actually pretty insane
@@kronorave4444 the problem is that it’s not always realistic to keep a lot of distance, especially against enemies that just run into you and in abyss you’re locked into a pretty medium sized room, also i said it’s one of her worst *5 stars* because it is if we go based off calcs, maybe it’s still in the top 3 or 4 but considering it’s supposed to be her signature that’s honestly kind of pathetic
I agree with most of the things you said, but Amos is underrated for Ganyu. Yes, other weapons are indeed better in both of her playstyles, but difference is much smaller than people think (especially if you don't play optimally). For example, in melt teams, a single CA performed without Bennet buff makes difference between Amos and Hunter/Aqua much smaller. In overworld Amos feels much better than any other weapon (Aqua passive doesn't work, you don't have Bennet buff active all the time resulting in a lack of attack when using 44 base Atk weapons, you won't always be melting which makes EM heavy Hunter's path builds fall off, polar star stacks are annoying to get). I've done duo Abyss runs with Ganyu and Kazuha, and I heavily prefer Amos there too. I still don't recommend actively pulling for Amos because it isn't very universal and isn't her BiS, but if you already have it, non of the 5-star weapons will feel like a real upgrade (only situational). However, calling it one of the worst 5-star weapons is very misleading considering there are 9 bows and Amos is consistently on the upper half (and difference with a real BiS is pretty small)
@@gackajink585 thats the bad part of being one of the first characters. If Ganyu was a new character her signature would have crit as main stat + constellation that gives +3 levels to basic attacks
If miyoho was a good company they would rework these things about old characters but you know MONEY MONEY MONEY
btw pls I main Ganyu since I started in 2.4 and I can assure you that if you play with hands you can fully maximize amos passive (you dont need to be at 2km of distance but just enough to get 0.5s of arrow travel)
@@DVDia-mt5nl I only said that Amos isnt her worst weapon if you compare dmg but ofc it's way better getting aqua/first magic cause its more flexible (idk if hunter's path is good on somebody else except tighnari but you cant get it so it's pointless to even consider it for average player unless you pulled for it when the tighnari banner was on or the chronicled wish, problem is that we dont know when it will come back)
also you can get amos from standard so it isnt worth to pull for it from weapon banner
but if you want to get the best Ganyu build Amos is the best if used properly or Lyney's signature in combo with shenhe in team so you get 2 stacks of atk + crit dmg as mainstat on melt
if you play freeze then aqua is best cause of dmg on all kit and not only basic attacks
It's been pointed out already, but I'll state it again just to reinforce the provided criticism.
Childe:
Childe's C1 has unanimously been agreed upon as pretty useless after people learned how to play him past 1.x. In a Spiral Abyss context, there is no need for it when running proper rotations. The "overworld" excuse is somewhat plausible, but Childe should be strong enough to kill things fast without accruing a high CD if he is swapped out/turns the form off after fighting. And if we were to consider overworld, having Polar Star would just make him kill enemies quicker anyway.
A big note about this is how you mentioned that Alhaitham's C1 is really bad; you're not wrong about that, but it does a much better job at upholding infusion uptime in co-op and overworld compared to Childe's C1. Alhaitham is generally a stronger character meta-wise as well. By logic, if a generally stronger character that has better infusion uptime with C1 is considered a bad upgrade, then Childe's C1's is dookie in comparison.
Nilou:
Key of Khaj-Nisut is considered one of the best weapons to pull for simply due to how large of an upgrade it is for almost every character it can be used on. Even in just the context of Nilou, not only is the HP% massive for her, but the reason why it is considered broken on top of this is due to its passive. The EM gain for the whole team is absurdly high and party-wide, complementing the fact that no one in a Nilou team can consistently be the Bloom trigger. This amounts to increasing Bloom damage through hitting her HP threshold while providing an unparalleled amount of team EM to increase it even further on everyone else. The weapon would be good otherwise if it just had the substat OR the passive, but it has both. This equates to roughly a ~20% TEAM-WIDE damage increase, not just a damage increase for herself.
For her C1, it is not useless, but its impact is pretty middling. Increasing damage on her infusion simply does not matter until C6, because its damage is quite low, and she is not used for her infusion until C6. C6 does not matter in the context of this discussion. Having an extra 6 seconds of Hydro application on her ring is alright, but is very inconsequential compared to a literal 20% team DPS increase. It will only cause a few extra Bloom procs. Having 100% uptime on the ring is more like a QoL than anything, since her skill downtime can be filled in by using her burst, or filled in by using Kokomi/Barbara (who are ranged anyway).
These mistakes are worth pointing out because the community has extensively discussed it, and there is really no argument in favor of C1 > R1 for these characters. Childe's constellations are awful, C1 & C6 doing the same useless thing, and C4 being fine but sometimes ruins Vapes. You pointed out that Alhaitham's constellations are bad, which they are, but his C1 accomplishes more CD reduction, and the rest of his constellations at least provide free raw stats, so it makes little sense for Childe relative to that. It is also common knowledge that Key of Khaj-Nisut is just an anomaly of being THAT broken.
I hope this does not come off as rude, but this is essential information for a discussion. These glaring mistakes aren't really up for debate anymore, since they have become common knowledge in the community. It perpetuates misinformation and conveys that your arguments behind your stance aren't researched or backed by easily accessible theorycrafting.
Edit: I actually wrote this before your edited message, but accidentally never pressed publish. Then when I published it much later, I reloaded and saw that you already updated your comment to reflect this information. I'll leave the comment up just so other people can read it, but I acknowledge that you've already reviewed the criticism and provided necessary corrections.
Im f2p, but im very selective about who i pull, idc about the meta or the theater, so i always pull who i like and make my teams based on that, so i would like to get venti (and his c1, if possible, as the three feathered arrows looks SUPER COOL) yelan's c1, nilou's weapon (i would need it for kirara, layla, nilou herself) i got very lucky and got alhaitham's weapon very early on, so for the sake of comfort i might pull for c1. I'm debating on neuvillette c1, but i think i like my team now (Layla as shielder, so i can also freeze enemies comfortably) so i might go for weapon instead
I don't know if you have Furina, but I do and run C1 Neuvillette, Furina, and Charlotte in a team so there's freezes
@@urgaguer i don't have furina and i don't have Charlotte either ☹️ i do really like layla's design and character though, so i'm happy to give her some use. My neuvi team is mostly just an excuse to use characters i really like that i wouldnt have much use for otherwise anyway
if youre happy with layla as your shielder, go for neuvi’s weapon. although his f2p options are still great on him (prototype amber, the new ash-graven drinking horn), tome will give you a lot more damage and it gives you energy as well. im gonna go for it next time it comes around
@@gimbo4025 my neuvi is using r5 widsith right now :) I'm using the event catalyst on Barbara (she's on the same team as neuvi for resonance and the C2 hydro dmg bonus
@@monikaaaax3 widsith is a great stat stick, but unless youre vaporizing with him, only one of the passive effects (elemental dmg bonus) benefits him. the atk bonus is completely useless, and the em buff only has the one use case. i find widsith frustrating to use cause you cant choose which effect it gives. it also has too much downtime imo
As Mualani C1 R1 owner I think her C1 more valuable than her R1 assuming you can get RoY or Widsith. Her C1 are quite big for her single target and AoE. With same team and set up, my 1st sharky bite can get 400k+ dmg and become 800k dmg at C1. Plus she spawn Jaws Shark at max bite stack to enemies that got bumped earlier. Very neat.
Umm, c1 is a 19% dmg increase vs a 28% dmg increase through her weapon. The main reason to get c1 is to make her less clunky to play and improve her exploration. AKA 30% longer skill duration out of combat and more fronloaded less clunky gameplay vs a bigger dmg weapon that can be played on muliple characters.
@@AlwaysThirstys some people have the r5 bp weapon and neuvi sig tho
@@dreamsandhopes6802but her weapon is so cute🥹
quick note for the itto one: he isnt COMPLETELY a defense scaler, he just converts defense into a lot of attack, so a lot of other claymore can work for him
Kinich weapon is between 20% to 33% for burning and burgeon teams so idk but his C1 is also good cause mobility and damage.
his r1 is better for overall damage per rotation, but if u already have good 5 star stat stick his c1 might comes out on top
Im sorry, the moment u said that its better to have Childe's c1 than his sig i stopped watching.
lol
Yeah, I definitely prefer his weapon over C1. Childe's contellations are pretty bad overall when compared to other characters.
And I'm saying that as somebody who have Childe at C6. It's like 2-3 years ago now that I went for his C6. I did it because he's my favorite character, and he still is to this day.
31:14 for ppl wondering, u can use sacrificial jade (r5) and it would only be a 2% difference from his bis (best in slot)
raiden's weapon is about a 10-15% dmg increase, while c2 is a 50-60% dmg increase. even if it takes more pulls, it's a lot more cost efficient to go c2 raiden, and if someone doesn't have the pulls for it I wouldn't really reccomend the weapon since it isnt a major increase. also, the jump from c2 to c3 is also bigger than c2 to c2r1, so realistically you'd only really want to get her weapon after c3
The whole point of the video is what is the biggest upgrade when pulling for a SINGLE thing, so what you said isn't really being discussed here
Baizhu cons are actually priceless bc he starts to heal enough even if you build him dps and if you build him dps he provides decent additional damage. I just use him as my main source of damage in the abyss.
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That's some good work man! Thank you
well we all know that klee signature weapon is actually 4stars, which is Dodoco Tales.
I really hope they give Albedo a signature. They retroactively gave Childe and Venti their own, so I hope they get around to Albedo too.
For Nahida you say the weapon is really good but C1 is still better?? 25:29
c1 isn’t better c2 is obv insane and outclasses even an r5 floating dreams but r1 vs c1 r1 wins also bcs of the versatility of the weapon being a supportive one that can benefit a lot of teams even when not on nahida. c1 nahida is incredibly underwhelming and only rly buffs her burst which isn’t the main reason you play nahida in the first place
thanks i really needed this
This is so helpful thank you!
I think the HuTao C1 is a bit iffy comfort wise 100%
But her best team doesn’t involve her charged attack and instead uses plunges. So if you really really want to get the most from her her weapon would be better you just need a cloud retainer
no, as a c2r1 haver her best team is with bennet and not xianyun the c1 is for more damage too
@@niderk The damage logs are out there. This is already really well documented.
Her plunge attack just has a higher damage scaling it for the most part boils down to this.
A C1R1 HuTao can about match a HuTao C0R1 plunging but still be off by 20k damage while for the most part this is negligible you not only loose out on the benifit of HuTao having AoE it’s just a higher cost team.
If you want to factor in “you need a xianyun” it would be the same cost for a team but that’s still a free extra 5 star that you can use.
Look I’m going to be honest any one can randomly say “oh my c2 HuTao does more damage” and flat out lie. Which I’ll say you’re probably not but I’m going off of my own numbers and most of the general players testings that have videos.
@@Rennmieasy bro
@@Rennmi sure on spreadsheets plunge is higher but in reality plunge hu tao is just dogshit to play and c1 is usually better in reality. Its the same reason that xiao's best team is often regarded to be with xianyun instead of bennet since playing xiao with bennet just feels like shit
@@cantanuh One, not really the same thing. And 2 is just a flat out subjective take.
By saying plunge HuTao sucks as a blanket statement you assume the whole player base would rather play her charged attack build (witch just ain’t true)
Plenty of people find one build more fun then the other.
Then the whole xiao thing is mostly because Xianyun is flat out a better support for him???? She brings crit rate, plunge damage, and heals to the team instead of just heals an attack.
Not to add she HEALS THE ENTIRE TEAM and seeing as Xiao is almost always ran with furina this means her fanfare is built up infinitely faster.
One of your points just doesn’t apply and is bad.
And the other is subjective and ignores people who prefer the plunge playstyle (and trust me there are a lot of people who like plunge tao) just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean others won’t.
i loved this guy & i dont know why ❤ it was a treat watching your video overall..haha nice 😊
It is possible, to run Yelan with Aqua and Hp-Sands in double Hydro, but it requires a bit of luck with Artifact rolls to get over 160 RE with a decent CV.
What a brilliant approach
Really good video thank u so much ❤
Honestly since weapon banner is not as much of a scam anymore means i'd go for the weapon like 80% of the time from now on
Neuvillette wants both c1 and his signature. If there's one character who deserves it - it's him. ;)
HuTao, Raiden, Gaming and Wriosthesley, C1+ (Raiden needs C2 and Gaming needs C6).
Neuvilette, Arlecchino, Mualani, Kinich, Navia, Lyney, Ayaka and Clorinde = R1.
The other dps that weren't mentioned, it's just because they weren't good enough.
Neuvillette best teams already has a shielder on and you can get the third pasive stack with enemies elemental infusion
It's important not to stay on Tartaglia for too long, even in the hypothetical case where Tartaglia has zero cd, you don't want to stay on him for too long to vaporize Xiangling's damage, unless the enemy hp is already very low, that's one of the reasons why his C1 is such a bad constellation, you really don't want to use Tartaglia on the field for longer than you would use him at C0, his C1 would only be useful in case something out of our control prevents u from switching characters in time, but it's not useful for dealing more damage
tested the arlecchino c1 / r1 comparison in the optimizer and the constellation gives way more damage output
lol for Hutao her C1 is better than Homa, UNLESS you're playing Furina Cloud Retainer. In that team you want to do N2CJP, which means your stamina is no longer an issue
hey i know this video is off c1 vs weapon but i heard wanderer is coming back in the next patches. I already have him c1 so I was wondering should I pull for his signature or c2? I have the widsith on him as his weapon
Id recommend r1 for him
32:00 neuvi doesn't need a shield at c0, he is much playable and doesnt need to sacrifice a buffer for a shielder
What if i got the weapon on his banner from little pulls like 15 or 20 first and then i pulled for him and got him? lmao
then you're lucky. lol
@@RolfKieranGacha yeah i got this way wanderer and xiao pulled for weapons then for them cuz i needed someone
Underrated channel
Nah bro as childe main since 1.1 who use him in every abyss since that day i agree, c1 gives too much qol
While you have debatable takes, i have to object to how you made a mistake in the first minute, caught it, and didn't fix it. Let's talk about our first character Bennett.
This feels like thrown together slopped out content, if you care about it, that's not coming through.
Literally at 0:57 there was an edit in the video....
@@RolfKieranGacha you might've got this already but he meant to say you should've redo your video from beginning after making that mistake rather than proceeding as is & adding *venti on screen. Man, being honest I was shocked at 1st as well since this was the 1st time I clicked on your video & i was looking at my food at that point & had to rewind & watch again to understand what happened. but honestly the point dominic raised is the exact thing i simply loved about the whole video. This tells so much abt you like how u aren't manupulating/changing/perfecting your content to the T for pleasing people/watch time but just talked about what you feel. thats what is missing these days- honesty & thats why i didnt even knew when the video ended!❤
Very usefull, Thank U
no 5 star weapons or 5 star cons are worth it.
there i said it.
Ayato c1 is better than the weapon due to his obscene amount of other usable options both f2p and otherwise. His AoE in group scenarios makes the condition very easy to meet. It's noticeable when you use him as a driver, it's noticeable when bossing. You also claimed that Nilou's weapon is better if Dendro is procing the blooms. This is NEVER true. You consume Dendro much faster resulting in far less blooms if you do that. There are several guides on youtube that go into more detail about this interaction. Her c1 is very nice quality of life but is not better than her weapon. Lastly Mualani's c1 is vastly superior to her weapon. Widsith has a good chance of being useful. Her f2p options are great. C1 on a nuking unit giving bonus dmg on the first shark bite is insane dps
Why not borrow their whale account for test C1 or 5* r1 for characters limited?
Isn't Calamity queller good for other off field characters too?
you can use it on them, but generally there's better options like The Catch
@@RolfKieranGacha with Shenhe you can often use other weapons, with Fav being a favourite for most, but calamity queller is easily her BiS with how much it increases her Atk (her main important stat, like Yun Jin with Def), it also makes it easier to invest in a ER sands and ER substats. The issue with the catch is that it is heavily wanted by multiple characters and isn't actually that good on her outside of the higher ER than Fav.
Also I feel like C1 is over valued, but it makes way for C2/C3 which are her biggest buffs and for most units in a rotation, you don't need both press/hold versions at the same time as you are unlikely to be doing skill/burst and NA/CA/Plunge dmg at the same time. Even still, for Ayaka, you can do a rotation, do a press, and then when you burst with Ayaka, you can press skill again and it'll have full uptime to buff Ayaka's burst. I know that this is different with Wrizzley, just an example
Lastly, for other units, it's a good option for atk scalers, although often not the best, but can be used and often valued over other 4 star options. For instance it's better than catch on Raiden, better than 4 stars on Arle, a great choice on Rosaria/Xiao and 2nd best for Emilie
@@RolfKieranGacha thanks!
@@Jay-fs2nw thank u too!
Best part about Xiao is having his weapon r5 from standard banner and losing the whatever it is on the weapon banner.
Bro 'SuperaTom' copied your video idea
Underrated
Hi im form korea and Im not good at english so.. arlecchino you said weapon is better thats right?
Yes weapon is better
@@sesshonuyasha thank you
Its depend on what weapons you have, if you already have Homa or Jade spear or the staff of scarlet sand then c1 c2 c3 is worth more than Arlec signature weapon.
5:40 ganyu always uses her burst, im every team, she has high er requirements tho
Think this video could have used a little editing to help with pacing hut good otherwise
Where is diluc 😭
Why do u have zhongli at c1 😭
Let's just say I wanted to pull for a copy of one of the 3.0 new 4* (Collei or Dori, can't remember) and it came early and won the 50/50
R1 is always better specialy if the weapon have a huge state stick
Not always, while it makes building a character easier in most cases and is usually their BIS, there are some cases where alternatives can do well, like for Claymore characters with Serpent Spine.
@@RolfKieranGacha no the thing is weapons are good for your account its something you can always use at anyone but cons are just a waste to make the character stronger and probably no one need it so yeah unless you like the character cons are good at that time
@@glowingbluesky I see your point definitely. there's weapons like Homa that is pretty universal but there's also weapons like Tranquil for Furina that's specific for her besides it being a crit stat stick
@@glowingbluesky lmao ur acting like support c1’s don’t exist. furina c1 is a huge buff to her personal and team damage but her weapon? it’s a damage increase only to her and requires more er. sure c1 buffing her support wouldn’t be a lot to add for an account if it wasn’t for the fact that she’s one of the most widely used supports
@@gackajink585 weapons are good for everyone that's why there value is higher but ofc depends on the weapon , c1 is just op shi that you don't need and if you want my. Honest opinion specialy if you're f2p stay away from both new characters are always better and more Fun
Albedo’s sig 5* weapon is actually summit shaper!
R u Malaysian or singaporean lmaoo
Singaporean
Always cons first
damn ure really handsome