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All these ridgid slams made me smile 😀👍
You and me both!
Blahahaha I went straight to the comments to see if anyone else was finding it so funny. I raised my boys on Dewalt tools but more recent years I switched to Milwaukee mostly for the large variety of tools but I’ve always liked them, all grown up now and my youngest has his own business using all Dewalt tools he is always on my ”arse” about using Milwaukee and how I raised them to love a “REAL TOOL” smh. I didn’t realize Rigid and Milwaukee were built by the same company but somehow being linked to Rigid makes the Milwaukee name feel a bit “less than” to me, I know that one doesn’t have to have to do with the other but it’s like owning a home where they decided to build a Walmart it ruins the neighborhood. So my point is by Rigid having a bad reputation and now they are linked with Milwaukee (at in my mind) it brings down the Milwaukee name that said maybe there is some merit to corporations putting up a wall between the brand names, keeping them separate allows each name to build its own brand be it good or bad and without one or the other dragging it down.
I agree. I used to have cordless power tools from variuous brands, but I got tired of having all these different charging stations and all these different batteries and keeping all of them charged. I ended up selling my Bosch drill and my Makita Jigsaw etc. and switched to Parkside for cordless tools. They are affordable and so far I mostly had good experience with them - at least for my occasional use. And for tools I use more frequently I use there "performance" series which still uses the same batteries. And for one extra tool I 3D printed my own battery-adapter.
Bosch blue profesional 18v lineup has started a new “alliance” called AMP SHARE and they share the pro 18v batteries with big companies like WAGNER and ROTHENBERGER, the bosch battery powered tools from other companies are said to come out this year. Im hoping to buy a wagner battery spray gun and a rothenberger crimping tool for plumbing projects. Im from Spain, so Bosch made the most sense as a branf that has pro deals with free gifts when buying tools, none of the american brands have promotions here.
I don't know about the rest of the world but in the States Fein has also adopted the AmpShare battery which is nice to see. Many of the AmpShare brands and even many of the CAS brands are almost never seen here.
@@jronmanbuilds true, FEIN aswell. Bosch alliance is a good idea to stay on one battery platform only
There are actually adaptors so you can cross use different brand batteries to specific brands. Personally I prefer Milwaukee because of their tools, not so much their batteries. Other than specific portable tools mostly used like impact and drills, I have gone back to corded tools. They are more reasonably priced and can use any brand. As for portability, cheaper to buy a Jackery or other generator to use any tool you like. If you do the math, it ends up being much cheaper and no anxiety on depleting batteries.
There is also the CAS /cordles alience system from Metabo and i think it was the first of its kind.
Sweet! Who else is in the alliance?
@@ZacBuildsbrands like Rothenberger, Steinel, Scangrip, Prebena, Starmix, Mafell, Edding
The great thing about computer standards is there is so many to choose from. I see the same thing in the cordless tool environment. Was unable to use my lithium tool batteries to jump start my car.
The bigger thing they are dodging is anti-trust. As long as they appears to be competition in the market, the less likely anti-trust lawsuits will happen.
The German CAS system of batteries works with different brands which is really cool. But all 18 volt machines work with 18 volt batteries so this also counts cross platforms. Dont forget that there might be differences in chip information in the machines or batteries that are designed for these tools
13:11 they have a similar concept for sharing batteries on the blue professional line as well called „AMPshare“
Someone needs to build and market "Bridge" units. Simple, light-weight and cheap devices that would fit to the base of your tool and to the top of your battery. Built to cover a range of tools and a range of batteries. Possibly, even with a standardized interface in the middle, so you buy a Bridge-Top to fit your tool and a Bridge-Base to fit each of your batteries. Hell, if it were not for the metal needed for the connectors, you could probably 3D print bridges at home for your own self. There you go. Now, when you make your first million, you just remember where you got the idea, and send me some beer-money!
I thought long and hard before buying into a cordless tool family.
I'm a little old lady with small hands who does a little d-i-y and furniture building here and there. I own my home, and do some repairs, but I'm hiring out the rough stuff (see: older).
I don't need pro level tools that will last 10 years of full time use. I can't hold or haul around the tools the big boys do. There's no reason for me to spend $$$$$ to get more tool than I will ever need.
I chose Ryobi.
I know they're not the best tools out there. But they're good enough for my needs, and being made for non-pros, they're smaller and lighter than Dewalt or Milwaukee. [I inherited a Milwaukee 12" circular saw. I can barely lift the thing, let alone use it safely.] Ryobi makes virtually every tool I might ever need, all run on the same batteries, and they sell them in useful bundles for a hefty discount.
If I ever outgrow Ryobi, I'll jump to the premium workshop tools, such as Festool.
I think your point is well taken. Will be interesting to see if anyone follows how Bosch has done it - in Europe at least.
I think there are two things that you missed.
First, if you are a tool company and you own two power tool brands, if you make both brands have cross-compatible batteries then both brands lose value because if you decide to sell one of the brands then the buyer must be concerned that you’ll try to steal all of their customers after the sale closes, and vice versa the seller must be concerned with whether the buyer will try to steal their customers after the sale closes. So in the event a tool company wants to sell a brand, the brand would arguably be worth less because the brand’s customers are less ecosystem bound.
Second, each of the brands already has huge ecosystems based around their battery platforms and switching to a new platform would alienate their customers who have already invested in a platform. This part could probably be gotten around by making interchangeable adapter plates.
its all capitalism, gotta keep making more money, the best way is to lock the customers into a certain brand of tools. that way they feel they have to buy more of the same or they will see it as wasting money buying a better tool and a new battery. its all marketing and what not its shit but not much you can do, people cant afford to buy 2+ batteries from each brand so you have to stay "loyal" or buy cheap shit from china hope it lasts as long as you need it for.
i think your second point only happened because of Ryobi, im fairly certain they were the first to start the 1 battery, every power tool you can think of. everyone else was just playing catch up and now they have stupid amounts of power "tools" they are completely pointless and redundant, im looking at you Makita Coffee Machine.
Metabo has something similar to Bosch called CAS Cordless Alliance
All the cuts to the stock office footage had me dying 😂, nice touch.
Dude! Such a great video! I would also live in the parallel universe you were talking about! I know Mastercraft tools at Canadian Tire also have this similar system with the unified battery platform. Also I agree, Ridgid sucks. Great video Zac!
I needed a cordless ratchet and at the time Dewalt didn't make that so I ended up buying the Milwaukee M12 ratchet and then bought more tools from their M12 series. I found this to be a good choice so I have 2 different systems for different uses as opposed to 2 of the same M18 systems.
Battery adapters are a thing, and they work brilliantly.
Sometimes, some batteries and tool combinations wont work because of right management system build into the tool/battery.
@@ZacBuilds Makita and Ryobi batteries have the BMS built into the batteries
no they don't always
@@EliotTruelove only 18v makita, 12v and 40v don't have onboard mosfets (40v has an internal bms but it can't shut itself off)
Wow great video as always. Can't wait to see more videos soon. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Keep making. God bless.
Already been done, CAS - cordless alliance system-same 18V battery set up by Metabo-same batteries for Metabo, Mafell, Steinel, Rothenberger etc. Mainly EU/German industrial spec. tools though; cant see the Chinese/TTI owned brands like Milwaukee, Ryobi and the like following suit.
Amazon had adapters, DeWalt to craftsman, Milwaukee to DeWalt, ect... I use craftsman 20v tools now, because they are cheaper, but have always been a DeWalt guy. Now I can buy craftsman tools and still use my DeWalt batteries
Battery platforms create platform stickiness. Once a customer has invested in a battery platform - they become reluctant to shift to an alternate vendor. They preference future purchases to their existing battery platform. They replace tools within platform and they replace batteries within platform to support the sunk costs.
When they graduate from entry level to prosumer or hobbyist with too much money / they have to shift both tool and batteries. Maintaining dual battery platforms is a hassle so they’re more inclined to mass replace their platform.
Cross compatibility would make me very happy. But I doubt it’s financially in the manufacturer’s interest.
Adapters to create (warranty voiding) cross compatibility would be interesting. A bit fiddly to manufacture for anyone smaller than a fairly large shop - but an easy product for a manufacturer setup for plastic/electronics.
Good video! I often thought the same about batteries. Why each brand has its own battery?? Why not have a universal battery? And yes some special battery technologies can be reserved for specific tools or brands but overall all our tools should use the same 18v battery.
Bosch are doing good but they take forever to make anything. Now when they do, it’s generally a solid long lasting machine. For their professional line it’s called AmpShare. They’re promoting it now but it’ll take about 3 years for it to have any real substance. Meta o are also doing the same with their CAS program. They seem to be ahead of Bosch in this regard. Anyways, interesting topic. Something I often thought about as started off with Bosch but have had to invest in Dewalt because Bosch takes so long to produce a tool and they are a bit limited in range.
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Hell ya! Thanks for the support!
I couldn't agree more, and calling it evil is spot on as well. I've never commented on one of your videos before because I usually watch on my TV with an app, but I'm shocked to see so few comments and the paltry amount of likes. You definitely need to be pushed in the algorithm. I'll have to make a concerted effort to watch your videos twice from now on.
Thanks you I really appreciate the support!
Nicely done!
Since the difference isn't in the electronics but it's in the physical case of the handle, could we design a craftsman handle with a DeWalt battery acceptor? Or better yet create a very thin profile that connects to the DeWalt battery but is accepted by the craftsman tool, sort of like the plug adapters that we have because of all the different formats around the world
Makita and Hikoki do this as well, with Makita red and Hikoki blue. Like Bosch green, they use the same batteries as the professional line of tools
could you make a video for a 3d printed adapter to use batteries with different tools
Porter Cable basically exists for the brand name, it's a nostalgic brand for many with a long history, so SB&D is hesitant to kill it. They let it dwindle in past years, but now they're making a comeback by targeting farmers and ranchers - by selling their products almost exclusively in Tractor Supply.
I think this is more that they downgraded them from the Lowe's lineup when they acquired Craftsman and needed somewhere to put them to hang on to the brand and not alienate their existing customers. LOL.
If you crack them open you'll find the exact same brand, size, and capacity of battery cells.
It's ridiculous that they all slap a proprietary shell on it
I don't think companies are going to do shit until consumer protection agencies get some laws into work. I'm currently team blue because... it was my first choice and changing is expensive at this point. For me there are two features I think are necessary, first to make batteries intercompatible between brands and second, availability of wall-pluggable power supplies (which somewhat nullifies the purpose of cordless but sometimes is a better solution)
If these agencies make changes I would like them to allow for a few qualities of batteries. I don't want to go out and be forced to buy a cheap homeowner grade xyz brand battery because that is the one they decided upon. If I am in the market for a pro tool I want an equally pro battery to go with. I think a budget standard and a pro standard is plenty. I don't think we need a standard in between like is seen now with TTI and SB&D.
This reminds me of printer ink. Hardly any cartridges are interchangeable, even though they all contain the same ink inside. lol
I'm a Ridgid guy for the most part... but they don't have a battery powered hot glue gun and I was going to end up getting a Ryobi one... but hated having to buy a new battery and charger, since those are always extra and rarely included with the tool... I should see if there is an adapter that isn't adding to the bulkiness. BTW I love my Ridgid and have zero issues with them. I'm able to buy more tools than if I was doing Milwaukee.
I have the rigid set (AEG in Australia) and ordered a rigid to ryobi adapter from aliexpress, aswell as Milwaukee and Mikita. Got the Ryobi glue gun.
It is a little bulkier and if you have just the adapter in the glue gun then it doesn't sit flat. But it's great and saved me money but didn't cause I'm gonna spend that money on new tools.
time not wasted throughly enjoyed the dive into your thoughts
In marketing it's called "repeat purchases " where Customers are drawn back by a feature of a product like purchasing the batteries, it's like an unofficial subscription to use their brand, the batteries are proprietary for each brand, the similar to buying into an ecosystem like apple, and then about the brands, this is called "Positioning" where you create an image in the consumers mind based on the price, quality and marketing, a company might own 3 brands but will make one brand appeal to customers as "entry level" tools, then mid range , and then the higher end tools, these all scale in pricing, A home owner might buy a few Dewalt tools for use around their house, a casual woodworker might buy a craftsmen, so on as forth, the issue is that if they lose this differentiation between their products customers might just settle for their cheapest brand cause they begin to assume their products are all the same, instead of it being competition between Dewalt, Milwaukee and craftsmen where they will always win and make profits, their customers will see their products as all being the same quality and move to a competitor like Ryobi in hopes its better quality
I 100% see your point!
Till then, I'll always have a few battery/ tool adapters that I purchase off Amazon so i can buy a new different family tool, but use my milwaukee batteries.
I'm your hypothetical Ryobi user. I bought a bunch of Ryobi tools when I started a new construction job and was starting from basically zero, mostly I'm happy with them but there are a handful of Milwaukee tools I've been eyeing up.
I 100% can't be bothered to deal with having two types of batteries so I'll just go without, the Milwaukee stuff I've been looking at are nice-to-haves but not necessities. Even if it was something I needed, I'd just get the Ryobi version and call it a day (the main reason I went with Ryobi is because they seem to have everything under the sun, I've even got a hot glue gun that takes a Ryobi battery)
I hate all this battery shite. That's why I've stuck with old fashioned cables. Except for my drill and impact driver - can you imagine!
What if there were open source tool platforms so that users can hack their own tools using 3D printing and cross exchanging the same components? Would make it easier to transpose the physical barrier between tools for battery fit in a similar way to the power alliance thing from Bosch.
If we consider it from the power tool companies, batteries are like insurances for appliances, the margins are incredible. It may even be in some instances certain power tools are very close a normal profit margin, but are subsidised by the battery to become very profitable even when substantially cheaper than 'Pro' tools, despite being very comparable in performance.
bosch professional has the amp share alliance you can use one battery across multiple vendors like fischer breenenstuhl cox Fein forch honsel Klauke ledlenser rothenberg wagner perfectpro ramset etc etc etc, fully agree bosch markteing is almost none in North america, but the other side is that NA is mostly yellow or red...
Yes as consumers we need to add some pressure to the manufacturers to decrease the waste. Good point re having more money to spend. This same goes for cell phones and computer cords. You are on to something important.
I use Dewalt batteries, but I have old porter cable and black & decker tools with bad batteries. Instead of shelling out for new batteries, or buying the dewalt versions of the tools, I just bought cheap battery adapters - a little clunky, but they work. You have to be careful, though, because while some brands, like milwaukee, have the battery protections in the battery, dewalt has the protections in the tool, so with an adapter, it is possible to kill a battery to the point where it won't charge.
Milwaukee batteries arnt protected either. I believe Ryobi is the only main tool brand with battery protection in the battery itself.
@@themagiccoasterlover I believe Milwaukee has the protection in the battery, that's what the "redlithium" tech is, no?
@@Manu__R no they do not have low voltage protection in the batteries.
@@themagiccoasterlover Ah you're right, the redlithium does other stuff, but not low voltage protection.
In Europe the Stanley Fatmax line is the same product as Craftsman here in America, even the names are really the same just check the SFMCD721 against CMCD721 thoose are only a rebrand tool, in my country they sell both lines at diferent range price, Stanley line its cheaper, the only good notice is the batteries, they're interchangeable so I can get a good Craftsman tool and use it with a cheaper Stanley battery :D
The companies if I remember correctly have a higher mark-up for the company. This video focus's on the tools as the primary target to sell but more tools means the better chance a customer will buy your battery.
Just bought an adapter to use my Makita batteries on my desalt saw lol 😊
I mean theres a reason why battery adapters are super popular and super cheap, hopefully that "pirating" can tilt the industry away from predatory practices. Theres also some DIY attempts at AC wall adapters, but those generally need beefier power supplies than what is commonly accessible to consumers, so those have... varying results. But hey kudos to Hikoki and DeWalt for being the only ones (that I know of at least) who sells 1st party AC wall adapters for their battery tools.
This makes a lot sense to me!
Interestingly, I tell people this exact point you made, EXCEPT I use Bosch as a bad example on this.
First of all, Bosch has the Ampshare platform that other companies use, however, Bosch's own budget line Bosch DIY is NOT using this system, and the same goes for the 12V batteries. And also, Bosch owns Dremel, however, they ALSO use different batteries. Or rather, the exact same batteries with different caps, so you can't interchange them!
Great video! Still hurt by the Ridgid comments. Lol 12 years strong with Ridgid.
Bosch professional has the amp share with other brands as well with other Bosch companies and other brands between 10 to 20
I used to buy Porter Cable because it was good enough for what I needed and relatively inexpensive. But then they changed their battery design so I couldn't use my old tools with the new batteries without buying an adapter. So now I switched to Dewalt because their batteries are interchangeable between new and old tools. Also, I don't really thing companies care about e-waste it's all about the bottom line. It's like when Apple stopped including their power bricks and charging cables with their phones to reduce e-waste. Ultimately, corporations will do what will make them more money. The way everything is going nowadays I expect at some point they will start charging subscriptions to use your tools or lock the batteries to specific tools via some onboard software/chip.
I think it could also be that they don't want consumers getting used to using different brand battery packs with their product. All it take is one bad news headline where someone used some cheap knockoff battery off amazon to damage their brand image. But yeah I agree they should should just make them cross compatible and slap their overarching brand name on the batteries.
There’s also the possibility of a Rigid pro buying Ryobi for their kids to start with, or they need a tool for occasional tasks at home instead of professional use (like a leaf blower)
Funny that the infographic doesn’t show any of Harbor Freight’s power tool brands like Bauer and Hercules and doesn’t show any association between TTI and Ridgid. TTI makes Ridgid’s power tools exactly like they make Hart for Walmart. Strangely, it puts Hart under TTI and Walmart doesn’t show as the owner even though other store brands do. While it would be the same issue as Ridgid currently, at least it would be consistent.
metabo and CAS
bosch professional and AMPshare
The only thing i don’t really like is that the brand outside of metabo using the CAS are kinda some niche market brands except for Mafell but they are niche in some way as well.
the big companies like bosch and metabo only work with niche brands so they don’t loose customers on their core productline
That's why I bought kobalt. One line of tools, one "level" to choose from, no dicking around. And tools are still kicking after four years except one, and that one got exchanged for a new one 2 years after purchase right at the store, no questions or extra cost. 🎉
A lot of people have mentioned CAS from Metabo and just as a heads up for American users Metabo in America is actually Hikoki/Hitachi and not the same as Metabo in Europe. So your Metabo HPT batteries are not CAS and aren't compatible with the brands on the CAS website.
This was a fun watch Zac. Love seeing how passionate you get when this subject comes up.
P.S. I have spent 10 minutes on this comment. I kept typing a little counter argument but kept deleting it. 😂
I cannot dream of knowing as much as you do about these power tools but I do agree with you! I am actually starting to question some of these brands and the pricing of the tools. Of course there are the plain "not worth the bargain" kind of cheap tools but some of these brands aren't convincing me with their "quality" promise! By the way, have you seen the videos going around the internet about these batteries and how often a perfectly good battery might seem like it is dead simply because of the "protection" build into the chargers? I myself had a "dead" until and after following what seemed like the most far fetched fix, it's working as of there was never an issue! The cabling in the batteries also doesn't add up - that 4th connector seems to have something related to the charger units and ofcourse they need to adapt the tool then to fit the battery hense the pointless 4th connector on all the tools?
Ali express for the battery conversion kit, Works a charm for $20.
I 3D print adapters, Ridgid to Ryobe, own a bunch of Ridgid and Ryobe tools but only Ridgid batteries. best tool combo i think, the adapters live in the tools and I just slap the ridgid battery on when i need it. untill they finaly union their batteries.
and the bosch battery cannot be used on their pro line :s just green and 18v for all. you can actually buy an adapter it is still just a physical thing -.-
my solution is, go back to cable powered...
i had the same issues with battery, so instead of sruggling around the issue any longer, im going to 3d scann the original bat and create a base with an dc adapter plug. that way you cut out the battery all together. obviously you can then take the form and edit it in cad.
TTI does this with the M12 and the 12V Ryobi. However, I don't know if they're sold in the same markets. I know the 12V Ryobi in question is not a US offering. I've seen someone import the battery and it fits right into their M12 charger and tools, however.
In general, though, one of the marketed "benefits" of some brands are the higher power from their batteries. If you could buy a top-shelf Milwaukee M18 Fuel battery and slam it into your $40 Hart circular saw, that would bite into the higher margin M18 tool sales, especially if you just need massive runtime, but aren't doing fine finish work.
Shows chart of main tool brands:
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Bosch 18v drill batterys goes in to wurth drills they are the same just diffeent logos and you can also mix chargers and whurt is faster charger also drills look the same myt whurt has 100 more or less rev than bosh drill
Preach, my brother!
For the time being, why not make adapters for your family of batteries? Would make a really cool 3d printer project
i agree on most of your video. but you should check out the CAS (cordless alliance system) witch houses. Metabo (NOT metabo hpt), Mafell, Scangrip, Lamello and the total brands using this batteryplatform is 35 (at the moment) i`ve invested alot in this platform and love it. these brands mainly sell in Europe. but i see more and more of them on US based YTchannels so i guess it`s going the right way. I also like the mechanical tools from Milwaukee in my bag.
Wasnt aware of the CAS at all, I'll definitely look into that!
Wheres the original Stanley Black & Decker video?
I think it comes down to each entity creating a product based of the same components, but completely unlinked as far as the design process goes. Yes they are under the same corporate umbrella, but they have to create and sell for a certain price point, and that may mean making cuts that the other company does not have to, as they have a higher price point.
I very much like the generic battery strategy. There SHOULD BE a standard, but the US regulators will never make them, like might be done in the EU
Yea I paid for a Makita only to have it stolen 😞 so much for paying 100+£ people actually broke in and stole power tools
I don't think we have Rigid here in Australia. What makes them crap?
Europe has made a new legislation where all batteries for power tools need to be cross compatible between all brands. Which is kinda curious seeing what that will do to the research and development of the brands developing battery technologies. Also the rumor is that Europe decided to force all the company’s to use the Ryobi battery connection system because they are supposed to have the biggest market share from all the brands across Europe. (I think corruption but oh well). From April 2025 to 2026 there will be a transitional period with adapters will be shipped with the tools but from April 2026 onwards there will be only one battery connection system in Europe.
Whoa! electricity is compatible!
IMVHO companies have more margin on batteries and accessories rather than tools.
Nice.
I raised my boys on Dewalt tools but more recent years I switched to Milwaukee mostly for the large variety of tools but I’ve always liked them, all grown up now and my youngest has his own business using all Dewalt tools he is always on my ”arse” about using Milwaukee and how I raised them to love a “REAL TOOL” smh. I didn’t realize Rigid and Milwaukee were built by the same company but somehow being linked to Rigid makes the Milwaukee name feel a bit “less than” to me, I know that one doesn’t have to have to do with the other but it’s like owning a home where they decided to build a Walmart it ruins the neighborhood. So my point is by Rigid having a bad reputation and now they are linked with Milwaukee (at in my mind) it brings down the Milwaukee name that said maybe there is some merit to corporations putting up a wall between the brand names, keeping them separate allows each name to build its own brand be it good or bad and without one or the other dragging it down.
You are missing the fact that the batteries are all established ecosystems. Ryobi has been using the same battery since the nicad days. You can put a brand new Ryobi battery in an 18 year old tool. Changing battery mounts would alienate all of your existing customers and honestly give them a reason to switch to a different brand.
Ridgids high impact torque wrench is a great tool.
Ridgid has a ton of great tools, I was just messing around becuase they screwed over a friend of mine
You're a smart guy you could make yourself an adapter that takes your most prominent battery and makes it usable on another tool. all our dewalt could run your craftsman. Also Canadian Tire has their own brands that are powered by PWR POD so there doing a thing and if their power tools are anything like their hand tools I would trust them.
as soon as they do that then the pressure to unify across all external brands will come and if that happens one company will start undercutting the others selling at cost or even make a loss 4 a few years until they dominate the market and can start charging more again even if thats the most extreme outcome how much do you think apple lost to Anker when the EU forced them to use USBC it will never happen without laws forcing it
Hart and Milwaukee are TTi also
I am 100% with you! Unfortunately I think tool companies make more money on Batteries than the tools. Hence why they make different batteries across different brands even though the tools may be nearly identical or even made in the same factory.
They do not make the most money off batteries. They lock you in to their brand because of batteries. You can buy tool kits for 1000 dollars or less with a dozen tools in them and just a couple of batteries. I have 8 ridgid batteries and 3 ryobi batteries. I have an adapter to switch from ridgid to ryobi. I am now only buying ryobi tools and if I could get a good amount of money for my ridgid tools I would sell them and buy a new ryobi kit. I am done with brands and ryobi seems to be sticking to the same battery style and not changing.
I just bought a cordless air compressor and super like it. Its a ryobi brand and used it to build some drawers for some cabinets I have. I would love to get their cordless nail gun set yet I already have a pretty nice high end set so the cordless compressor was better than getting out the big one and running hose all over the place.
Well The last bit isn't quite right…
Bosch has an Power for all allience counterpart for the Professional System. It's called Amp Share and supports even more Tools with even better Battery's (The Pro Core ones) and the really good Professional Tools. But it seems like it's again an European thing cause there are more European focused Manufactures in there.
I’m here for the rigid bashing 😂
Bosch didn't do that out of kindness, EU is forcing a unified battery socket to reduce e-waste (Apple type C for example) and Bosch is a European manufacturer.
FYI, a lot of power tools for home use have 4 or 8 18650 cells on their battery packs. Pro tools have 12-18 sub C cells, for longer durability and much more torque, and I think that's the reason they separate the Pro and Home tools, bigger chargers, different motors etc.
I have an adapter to use my ridgid batteries with my ryobi tools. I no longer need pro stuff and now only by ryobi tools and got several batteries as I picked up one of those two batteries for 99 dollar sale with a free tool. I should have jumped on it much sooner and got several more tools yet I have a bunch of tools already.
I would buy the best of the best tools if all the batteries were the same. Yet because they are not one just sticks to their brand of batteries they have.
So many companies with so many subsidiaries... and then you have Hilti, from the tiny micronation that is Liechtenstein - just making outright quality products no ifs, ands or buts. Expensive, but that's literally the price to pay for quality no-compromise tools manufactured by a 100% highly educated workforce which all has degrees in mechanical engineering😊 no low quality Chinese imports to be found.
Hilti/Liechtenstein are to power tools, as Switzerland are to watches.
Porter cable is for those users who don't think of themselves as the d.i.y.er, but are, so it provides another choice. Or open the opportunity for it to be in another big box store to compete with the others. The key is market saturation to turn attention away from Milwaukee et al.
As a makita user I see this as an absolute win
Or just choose festool 😍
Uncle Zack is that you?!
Sure is buddy! Hope you're doing well, when are you coming to visit us next?
no wait, tell me what you really think about Ridgid...
The thing is products are built to a quality standard and price point. A homeowner doesn't need professional quality tools. If all TTI batteries were compatible you would have to make compromises. Either you get Milwaukee prices at Milwaukee quality or Ryobi prices at Ryobi quality. Neither option is good for everyone. Ryobi quality for a Milwaukee user or Milwaukee prices for a Ryobi user generally don't work very well. I saw Bosch has announced AmpShare a more professional oriented battery alliance. Metabo also has the professional oriented CAS. I didn't know about the Bosch alliance using the homeowner batteries until watching your video. I think where these alliances go right is they stick within the same type of customer. You have an alliance for your homeowner with the Green Bosch and you have the alliance for the professional tool user with the CAS and AmpShare batteries.
battery tech is all similar enough they ought to just get an industry wide standard.
The only way a unified platform would be a successful roll-out is if all tools came with a "their brand-to-universal" adaptor. And even then, these would have to be amazingly secure-fitting, and basically bulletproof...nobody would use them if they loosen up or break.
But Ryobi batteries would still be left out, due to that long "stovepipe" stem on their batteries. Nobody would want to use Ryobi batteries on another tool because the battery would have to be held out away from the tool by, like, 2 extra inches. And lots of people (myself included) got into Ryobi for the low cost batteries, at least in part.
Speaking of Ryobi, while their battery design is a bit cumbersome, credit where it's due: despite changing battery technology all of their 18v batteries and tools are backwards compatible, going back something like 25 years. Even the old blue and gold tools that use NiCad batteries.
I just use hella extension cords and corded tools at this point. Otherwise, I like your jerry rigged battery solution
I reduce E waste by fixing batteries and tools I throw nothing out