If Arabella dies and Kagha is expelled, Arabella's mother tries to kill her at the tiefling party. Again, there's a huge difference in her demeanor depending on whether or not you've convinced her to turn on the shadow druids - but she always dies, unless the player convinces the mother to let her go.
Tbf, even if Komira doesn't kill her, she'd probably die in the wilderness via Halsin's banishment. Which is honestly the most fitting punishment for Arabella's murder. That way, she dies the same way as Arabella and pretty much the Tieflings she tries to evict.
@@baval5 What's interesting is that Khaga has poison resistance and an antidote on her at all times while being quite strong. If she get's stabbed or poisoned, it's because she let's it happen as atonement for the atrocity she caused to Arabella. It shows that, despite Khaga being quite terrible during the grove crisis, it was for the best of intentions that got way out of hand to the point where she knows she's guilty when applying some introspection.
I admire Halsin for one quality trait: he understands what it really means to be a Forest Warden, a protector of nature, especially in the faith of Silvanus. I should know, because I've had a D&D character who was an Elven Archer and a Silvanus follower. Halsin is correct that an idol is just a mere object, and a life is far more precious. Kagha's overzealousness needs to be a lesson for the others.
But she was persuaded by the shadow druids which have their own mindset of balance. Later once you go to baulders gate even halsin questions if they were actually right in their belief because of the filth and suffering he sees amongst the population in the city. He actually becomes very different once he gets to baulders gate.
I mean, Shar and Salune had idols, but they didn't emit a special auras like Silvanus's did, but it could be due to the druids, putting so much druid energy into the Idol for the ritual to happen
if both Arabella and her parents die, Halsin says something like “the parents should have decided your fate” so yeah he absolutely intended on letting Arabella’s parents kill Kagha. let nature decide her fate? murder is a natural cause
It wasn't until I was doing a Druid playthrough that I found out about the Shadow Druid subplot, and managed to make her see reason, and she named me Faithwarden for saving her and the grove from the shadows. From that point on, I swore to only ever save- not just the Tieflings- but every druid along the way.
@@FinestFantasyVI At the bottom right of the map, in the Sunlit Meadow/ Putrid Swamp, you'll find a broken wooden bridge leading toward a set of islands. You can jump to those and find yourself in a place called the Druid Sanctuary. You'll have to fight a few Ancient Mud Mephits and a couple Wood Woads, then go to the giant tree in the middle and pass a perception check to find a notch in the tree. There, you find a letter to Kagha detailing a plan by the Shadow Druids to take over the Emerald Grove, take that back to said grove, and confront Kagha.
If you notice when you make her see the error of her ways and then Halsin confronts her you get a true glimpse at her feelings. For just a few seconds there you can see that innocence. I know that look all too well. In those few seconds she knew that she had just crossed a line. You can tell that she hasn't quite got her feelings out though because she turns back but she couldn't bring herself to say anything so she left. Massive character development. What an absolute work of art.
Kagha was manipulated by the shadow druids, she can be reasoned with and i think truly regrets her actions, if you expose her. She could've payed more attention to the details, the aswers were literally all over the place, in the walls.
He should have expelled kagha but at the same time gave her a chance for redemption, by fixing the shadow curse, turning kagha into a valuable companion
Omg Yes, this. I was a bit disappointed that the cool mystery evidence didn't lead to anything with him, the leader of the place. But oh well, maybe it's the Silvanus faith way if someone was already punished
I usually did that and was equally disappointed, so I confronted her and I liked those reactions more. Kagha is insanely powerful when fighting the Shadow Druids
I think if Arabella’s parents died before this point, Halsin would say “her parents should’ve decided your fate.” To me, that implies that he 100% gave the parents permission to kill her if they lived. Just as nature intended.
You find it in the big tree in the Druid Sanctuary, guarded by mud mephits and two wood woads (the place is South of the Hag swamp, past the bloody little camp. You'll need to jump across the water to reach it).
Kaghas not really bad, shes just scared and misguided by the Shadow Druids. The evidence to me for this is how easy it is to sway her back. The checks arent that hard, and multiple classes can say things that auto pass. Literally in some cases just reciting a line from her code gets her back. At the end of the day its as she says, she was just trying to do whatever it takes to protect her people and the things she thinks are important, she was just misguided on what was important.
@@CMiY0 Except its also insanely easy to convince her not to do that too. You can literally just say "ill keep her out of trouble" and she goes "yeah ok youre responsible now"
@@CMiY0 To be fair, she was relishing the idea of imprisoning a child. She was irrational and cruel, but killing the kid wasn't part of the plan. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the snake only bites if the player makes it happen.
Good point. I mean, she was objectively correct about the rite of thorns being needed. The Absolute's forces were planning to attack the grove, and without the grove being closed off, would have won. It's only because the player randomly happens to crash nearby and intervene, which no one could have reasonably predicted, that this doesn't happen.
@@maskydoo7871 Except that performing the rite of thorns is a direct violation of the tenants of the Emerald Grove. All three of them: "The Natural Order must be preserved no matter its form", which is violated by closing off the grove, "Forces that would disrupt the Natural Order must be destroyed" which is violated by hiding behind a barrier of thorns rather than taking proactive action, and "The Emerald Enclave must offer aid to the weary and injured", which is obvious. In every possible respect Kagha betrayed the ideals of the Emerald Grove, and had the rite been completed, that would have destroyed it more thoroughly than any external force could have. The correct course of action, if defending the grove were an impossible course of action which it obviously wasn't, would have been to evacuate it and either escort the Tiefling refugees personally, or attack the Absolute's forces with ambushes, making use of the superior familiarity a group of druids should have in the wilderness.
>abandons his job as protector of the grove >gets mad at the only person actually doing said job >leaves to go fuck around with the shadow curse Man hes a shitty arch-druid
He didn't abandon his job, so chill a bit. He found that drow with the parasite and connected it with the goblins (since the drow attacked him with them at the time), which were already attacking the drove in waves. Then he got captured and we came in Plus, fuk Kagha, Bart could do the handling just fine considering he kept her on a leash until we cleaned up the place
Being willing to kill a child to protect an inanimate object, sacred idol or not, is both objectively evil and not how druids work. Same goes with trying to banish the tieflings from the grove. It goes against everything the druids stand for. And Halsin never abandoned the grove. He went to investigate a threat to the grove and got captured, and he made sure to find a good successor before he left for good to deal with the shadow curse.
@@lordofthegeckos533 the idol is necessary for a magical ritual which would protect the grove, arabella stealing it prevents it being used for that. The tieflings likewise prevent the rite of thorns from being enacted and thus endanger the grove. Halsin left his position at a time of crisis to indulge his personal business with reithwynn, and after being rescued and finding out things did not go as he would have liked decides the proper course of action is to do it all over again, because surely after trusting kagha to take care of things and being upset about how she handled things trusting rath to take care of things will go just fine, clearly the mistake was trusting the person he kept as his 2nd the first time round, rather than someone lower ranking
Kagha also does not kill arabella, she imprisons her so she does not cause further issues and so she can be later held accountable for her actions. Arabella dies when she tries to escape.
@@lookielookie1393 he ran off to go looking for the nightsong because he cares more about the shadow curse than the grove he is supposed to lead, his abandoning of of grove - leaving it less defended and without centralised leadership since the tieflings don't listen to kagha - leaves it in a more vulnerable position, if he did his job people wouldn't have to try and use the rite of thorns, but he's an incompetent bufoon so of course he didn't do his one job
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Seeing Halsin mad is so scary because he is usually so calm
Like seeing a certain Firbolg cleric Im a fan of get mad, whereas 99.9% of the time he's like a capybara because he's so chill.
As it is said, “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.”
3:37 Repentent Kagha turning back to try to say something, then realising it would be futile, is exceptional.
That's my favorite part.
As someone who's been in that situation before (I didn't X out a child) I felt that deep remorse.
If Arabella dies and Kagha is expelled, Arabella's mother tries to kill her at the tiefling party. Again, there's a huge difference in her demeanor depending on whether or not you've convinced her to turn on the shadow druids - but she always dies, unless the player convinces the mother to let her go.
Her apologizing while she gets stabbed if you convinced her to turn against the shadow druids is so sad.
Wait... there is someone who let Kagha live?
Tbf, even if Komira doesn't kill her, she'd probably die in the wilderness via Halsin's banishment. Which is honestly the most fitting punishment for Arabella's murder. That way, she dies the same way as Arabella and pretty much the Tieflings she tries to evict.
@@baval5
What's interesting is that Khaga has poison resistance and an antidote on her at all times while being quite strong. If she get's stabbed or poisoned, it's because she let's it happen as atonement for the atrocity she caused to Arabella. It shows that, despite Khaga being quite terrible during the grove crisis, it was for the best of intentions that got way out of hand to the point where she knows she's guilty when applying some introspection.
I admire Halsin for one quality trait: he understands what it really means to be a Forest Warden, a protector of nature, especially in the faith of Silvanus. I should know, because I've had a D&D character who was an Elven Archer and a Silvanus follower. Halsin is correct that an idol is just a mere object, and a life is far more precious. Kagha's overzealousness needs to be a lesson for the others.
But she was persuaded by the shadow druids which have their own mindset of balance. Later once you go to baulders gate even halsin questions if they were actually right in their belief because of the filth and suffering he sees amongst the population in the city. He actually becomes very different once he gets to baulders gate.
I mean, Shar and Salune had idols, but they didn't emit a special auras like Silvanus's did, but it could be due to the druids, putting so much druid energy into the Idol for the ritual to happen
"A wise man fears two things--death, and the wrath of a gentle man."
"A child is dead because of you" halsin cries, coated in child viscera from his escape
They're just goblin kids... They don't count.
According to all my paladin oaths, it's ok.
Don't worry, goblins aren't people.😂🙃
Wyll approves
@@midnightaurora9483goblins are like really big, barely intelligent insects. Pests really. Comparatively speaking
if both Arabella and her parents die, Halsin says something like “the parents should have decided your fate” so yeah he absolutely intended on letting Arabella’s parents kill Kagha. let nature decide her fate? murder is a natural cause
It's perfectly natural to get mauled by a mother bear for hurting her cubs.
@@BuckmeisterSupremeWithCheese especially if they end up dead.
"Have you been in nature? Violence is extremely natural." - Caduceus Clay
Halsin legit sounds ready to kill Kagha then and there after finding out about Arabella
It wasn't until I was doing a Druid playthrough that I found out about the Shadow Druid subplot, and managed to make her see reason, and she named me Faithwarden for saving her and the grove from the shadows. From that point on, I swore to only ever save- not just the Tieflings- but every druid along the way.
How did you find it? I missed it
@@FinestFantasyVI At the bottom right of the map, in the Sunlit Meadow/ Putrid Swamp, you'll find a broken wooden bridge leading toward a set of islands. You can jump to those and find yourself in a place called the Druid Sanctuary. You'll have to fight a few Ancient Mud Mephits and a couple Wood Woads, then go to the giant tree in the middle and pass a perception check to find a notch in the tree. There, you find a letter to Kagha detailing a plan by the Shadow Druids to take over the Emerald Grove, take that back to said grove, and confront Kagha.
@@emeralddragon2980 aww man I missed it. Ah well next playthrough. Rn im at Shadow Cursed Lands, just met Oliver
@@FinestFantasyVI Ah, I missed him my very first playthrough and left Halsin dejected. Never again.
@@emeralddragon2980 I must not fail Halsin, he's precious. I considered him as my first romance, but chose another
God I love Halsin so much
If you notice when you make her see the error of her ways and then Halsin confronts her you get a true glimpse at her feelings. For just a few seconds there you can see that innocence. I know that look all too well. In those few seconds she knew that she had just crossed a line. You can tell that she hasn't quite got her feelings out though because she turns back but she couldn't bring herself to say anything so she left. Massive character development. What an absolute work of art.
The voice acting in this game is just beyond perfection.
You especially notice it when coming from other games.
Kagha was manipulated by the shadow druids, she can be reasoned with and i think truly regrets her actions, if you expose her. She could've payed more attention to the details, the aswers were literally all over the place, in the walls.
Kahga should have been an option as a companion. It would make more sense than Halsin ignoring the grove to tag along with us.
Redeemed kahga would be fun tbh
Bro we are capped on Druid companions
„A mere object next to one of natures creations“ Shows that Halsin even does not care about people being tieflings
"you should have just died" I would ACTUALLY commit if halsin ever said that to me 😂😂 his angry voice is so 🥵 tho
Bro is cooked. But it's understandable
For those curious, the music being played is the divinity original sin 2 theme
Yeah I immediately heard that and was wondering, is that edited / modded in or is it officially in?
He should have expelled kagha but at the same time gave her a chance for redemption, by fixing the shadow curse, turning kagha into a valuable companion
I love the design of your character, very unique and cool
Little baby boy compared to all the other Tavs I've seen lmao
honestly its kinda disappointing in the recent patch when you show halsin the shadow druid letter to kagha he basically just tells you he doesnt care
Omg Yes, this. I was a bit disappointed that the cool mystery evidence didn't lead to anything with him, the leader of the place. But oh well, maybe it's the Silvanus faith way if someone was already punished
the problem's already been dealt with
I usually did that and was equally disappointed, so I confronted her and I liked those reactions more. Kagha is insanely powerful when fighting the Shadow Druids
There must be another line, where Arabella and her parents died as far as I remember.
Really? Didn't think the parents' fate would also impact the dialogue. Good to know.
They died in Act 2 at the House of Healing in both of my playthroughs.
@@KKPsi-TubaDawg pretty sure the parents die regardless. there doesn't seem to be any way to prevent it
I love how Kagha turns around and storms off like a teenager after Halsin scolds her lmao
I think if Arabella’s parents died before this point, Halsin would say “her parents should’ve decided your fate.” To me, that implies that he 100% gave the parents permission to kill her if they lived. Just as nature intended.
I never got the shadow druid dialogue, didnt even know it existed until this video.
Olly London what are you doing here????
bro... why are you kinda right?!
Divinity 2 soundtrack is so good
What happens if you save Halsin after she invokes the rite and removes the tieflings?
wait a shadow druid letter? where the fuck is that
You find it in the big tree in the Druid Sanctuary, guarded by mud mephits and two wood woads (the place is South of the Hag swamp, past the bloody little camp. You'll need to jump across the water to reach it).
Did you mod Divinity music in? Love how it fits! Is this mod on Nexus or did you do it yourself?
after seeing this i kinda like the druids
Wait, at the beginning, thqt song isn't from BG3 is it? it's from DOS2, did you mod it / edit it in or is it in the game too? :O
Oh, I just added it when editing.
Whaat I missed the shadow Druids part
Yeah it's a surprisingly hidden discovery that requires a lot of snooping
Look for it in the hag's swamp. Little hint so you don't look for it across the whole map.
does anything happen if you lill kagha after/ during halsin’s talk with her?
I did but nothing new happened.
Kaghas not really bad, shes just scared and misguided by the Shadow Druids. The evidence to me for this is how easy it is to sway her back. The checks arent that hard, and multiple classes can say things that auto pass. Literally in some cases just reciting a line from her code gets her back. At the end of the day its as she says, she was just trying to do whatever it takes to protect her people and the things she thinks are important, she was just misguided on what was important.
Bro she was legit relishing the idea of killing a child lmfao. No way you slice it Kagha is a bad person.
@@CMiY0 Except its also insanely easy to convince her not to do that too. You can literally just say "ill keep her out of trouble" and she goes "yeah ok youre responsible now"
@@CMiY0 To be fair, she was relishing the idea of imprisoning a child. She was irrational and cruel, but killing the kid wasn't part of the plan. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the snake only bites if the player makes it happen.
Good point. I mean, she was objectively correct about the rite of thorns being needed. The Absolute's forces were planning to attack the grove, and without the grove being closed off, would have won. It's only because the player randomly happens to crash nearby and intervene, which no one could have reasonably predicted, that this doesn't happen.
@@maskydoo7871 Except that performing the rite of thorns is a direct violation of the tenants of the Emerald Grove. All three of them: "The Natural Order must be preserved no matter its form", which is violated by closing off the grove, "Forces that would disrupt the Natural Order must be destroyed" which is violated by hiding behind a barrier of thorns rather than taking proactive action, and "The Emerald Enclave must offer aid to the weary and injured", which is obvious. In every possible respect Kagha betrayed the ideals of the Emerald Grove, and had the rite been completed, that would have destroyed it more thoroughly than any external force could have.
The correct course of action, if defending the grove were an impossible course of action which it obviously wasn't, would have been to evacuate it and either escort the Tiefling refugees personally, or attack the Absolute's forces with ambushes, making use of the superior familiarity a group of druids should have in the wilderness.
Kagha is so me
I killed him already many playthroughs
>abandons his job as protector of the grove
>gets mad at the only person actually doing said job
>leaves to go fuck around with the shadow curse
Man hes a shitty arch-druid
He didn't abandon his job, so chill a bit. He found that drow with the parasite and connected it with the goblins (since the drow attacked him with them at the time), which were already attacking the drove in waves. Then he got captured and we came in
Plus, fuk Kagha, Bart could do the handling just fine considering he kept her on a leash until we cleaned up the place
Being willing to kill a child to protect an inanimate object, sacred idol or not, is both objectively evil and not how druids work. Same goes with trying to banish the tieflings from the grove. It goes against everything the druids stand for. And Halsin never abandoned the grove. He went to investigate a threat to the grove and got captured, and he made sure to find a good successor before he left for good to deal with the shadow curse.
@@lordofthegeckos533 the idol is necessary for a magical ritual which would protect the grove, arabella stealing it prevents it being used for that. The tieflings likewise prevent the rite of thorns from being enacted and thus endanger the grove.
Halsin left his position at a time of crisis to indulge his personal business with reithwynn, and after being rescued and finding out things did not go as he would have liked decides the proper course of action is to do it all over again, because surely after trusting kagha to take care of things and being upset about how she handled things trusting rath to take care of things will go just fine, clearly the mistake was trusting the person he kept as his 2nd the first time round, rather than someone lower ranking
Kagha also does not kill arabella, she imprisons her so she does not cause further issues and so she can be later held accountable for her actions. Arabella dies when she tries to escape.
@@lookielookie1393 he ran off to go looking for the nightsong because he cares more about the shadow curse than the grove he is supposed to lead, his abandoning of of grove - leaving it less defended and without centralised leadership since the tieflings don't listen to kagha - leaves it in a more vulnerable position, if he did his job people wouldn't have to try and use the rite of thorns, but he's an incompetent bufoon so of course he didn't do his one job
I missed this entire interaction somehow
When you get to the Grove, Zevlor speaks to you and invites you to the camp party. If you choose to go immediately, you miss this interaction.