I saw your comment before I got to that part of the episode. But, it totally didn't ruin the moment because there's no way I could have guessed that it would have gone that way. Which is funny because I totally should have known it would have gone that way as it came from Ben
It's funny that King felt he had to invent trauma for Booster Gold. In Geoff Johns' Booster Gold run (which is great and you should do on Back Issues), Michael goes back in time to save Barbara Gordon from being shot and paralyzed by the Joker. But, every time he tries to change that event, he just ends up being brutalized and tortured by the Joker, and Barbara always is paralyzed. It turns out that the idea of going back in time to save Barbara was an exercise by Rip Hunter to show Booster that he can't change the past, he can only change the future (meaning that he can't save Blue Beetle). That's fucked. That would traumatize me. But, instead of building off the rich history of these characters, as Crises usually do, King had to completely undermine and assassinate Michael's character. Right after, need I remind you, Dan Jurgens wrote "Booster Shot", where Michael sacrifices everything to save Jon and Lois Kent. Fuck this story. Fuck Heroes in Crisis. Go ComicPOP.
F### DC editorial. I never really cared for Wally but the ending of DC Rebirth was one of the most beautiful things I readed. So of course they had to f### it all up. Why DC, why do you always have to make every single character in your universe a miserable and unfun.
@@therealdude707 At least currently Wally is finally the focal point of the main Flash title with HIS costume. Seemingly since Joshua Williamson seems to be the guiding force of DC rn, all the characters that have been fucked over might get some spotlight and redemption.
At least Tom King agrees and hates this story with a passion as well. It was never going to be good when editorials kept mucking with it. But he should’ve read more of the Booster Gold work and not try to do it himself.
I was about to comment on the same thng. I love watching Sal tell the guys about the Crisis events and often rereead it. The fact Ethan knows exactly how bad of an idea this is just makes it perfect.
"Hey so I have this idea for a serious story about how superheroes deal with trauma." "Great. You have to use two comedic characters and one of the happiest speedsters."
@@JoeChillton Or an Amazonian Warrior, or a literal speedster, or a man who can create jet planes based off his willpower, or a robotic man who can create 'Boom Tubes' that can take him anywhere in the universe or... Look basically anyone of the justice league could catch up with Harley Quinn.
@ Robert Corr- I remember that thesis from the 2002 Rami Spider-Man trailer. That seems to be a required trope for almost every superhero film or comic retelling since then (in some but not all cases).
I remember being excited that Tom King went DC exclusive. Damn. If only that never happened. He still couldve done the 1 good thing hes done in Mister Miracle without having him stuck on Batman forever, shitting out Heroes in Crisis, and made some more Marvel characters miserable in the process.
Considering Tom King is an ex-CIA spook, who was stationed overseas during the height of the worst parts of the "War on Terror" massacres over there, it makes sense for him to have an ideology that no one should have superpowers. Take that as you will ;)
I guess the... Lagoon Boy death is good? Even though it doesn't make sense by the end because Dan DiDio wrote the last three issues. Eh... I don't know, man
Tom King: Wally West is the murderer. He's selfish & thinks no one feels his pain. Me: But, I read the first Titans trade. Wally met with Linda and realized that he needed to move on, but he didn't give up hope. M-maybe they'll get back together and even if they don't he's got his friends; he could find love with someone like Donna, or a completely new person. Five years were taken, remember? Remember that cool mystery? King: Don't Care, doin' my own thing about PTSD.
It was not King’s fault. DC editorial gave him the characters to use and the kind of story he was supposed to create. His job was to soften the blow as much as possible.
His choice of making Wally a murderer! Is where I'm angry about this, I was already pissed about Arsenal dying , due to being an outlaws fan. But Wally?! Wally was *the* flash for the kids who got into comics between crisis on infinite earth & final crisis! I was so livid.
Anarchic Arachnid that was not really his choice the heads of DC besides Johns never really cared for Pre New 52 Wally and desperately wanted him off the table. The end result of HIC was already determined. King had the task of trying to make the editorial decision make sense. In my opinion he did as a good of job as any writer could have given the circumstances.
@@nicholaskatsikas4904 From what I've read, Johns has pretty much nothing to do with HIC, more likely it was DiDio. He hates any old sidekicks/ anything that could age a character.
@@batfreeze56 well identity crisis while isn't that bad of a story looking back at it after all of these years did kinda had some of the same problems like this series did specifically with the whole murder mystery aspect also had a extremely controversial moment involving sue dibney which was really dark and messed up for a multiple of reasons.
So if Booster Gold could go to the future, clone Wally West and place that dead body in his place, couldn't he have done that for every person at Sanctuary so that nobody would have died?
You're absolutely right, but DC Editorial didn't want Booster to fix it because, at the end of the day this was a smear campaign against Wally. All so Barry can look better by comparison.
@@batfreeze56 technically it was Dr. Manhattan that wiped out the trillions. Yes its a retcon, but when Barry "fixed" Flashpoint, it should have gone back to normal but Manhattan stepped in.
also lets not forget clones arent people, its totally fine to kill an innocent clone that didnt kill everyone, so the criminal that did kill everyone could survive
I really think Tom King had a story about PTSD in the superhero community that was suppose to be small and interesting. But then: DC executives went "Ooh let's make it an EVENT!"
Yeah, he revealed this project on Twitter like over half a year before it came out and it was supposed to be called Sanctuary and focus on that but then... Well... It didn't
No, don't give him an excuse. He wanted this story, and he wrote this story. He said he had a basic premise and HE asked DC what characters to use. So Tom King is 100 percent responsible for this series falling apart.
@@jabezcreed I'm not giving him an excuse,but it's clear there was some high jacking, it'd still probably have fallen apart especially if Wally was still gonna kill people.
Man, it’s been forever since I last heard of Blue Jay. Guy was an homage to Hank Pym’s Yellowjacket identity that came from alternate universe with some other Marvel homages, then wound up joining the Justice League.
Great Back Issues, as always. And man, I gotta say, one of my favourite parts about these episodes is whenever Sal, Ethan, and Ben end up pitching a better comic book plot than the one they're reading, based on Sal's incomplete explanation. Makes me really wish these guys had more opportunities to make their own work within the medium. Goodness knows I'd buy it.
Tom King was told which characters to use by DiDio and completely failed. I remember when the final issue of Heroes in Crisis came out the same day as a delayed Doomsday Clock issue. One explained Rebirth and the other killed it.
(Around 9:24) Ethan: Well but it's under Superman's Control right? Sal: Right. Ethan: And he's the one everybody trus- Sal: And Batman. Ethan: What. I'm dying 😂
A personal favorite from the one issue of this I read is Black Canary talking about killing both Booster and Harley, if they take too long to figure out who the killer is, because one of them probably did it and she needs to avenge Roy. I didn't know that's what heroes do, police take to long to identify the killer, murder all suspects. Super wholesome (and Oliver, mister socially conscious, just going along with Dinahs murder plans like he would be okay with the death penalty for the wrongfully accused)
I’d love a documentary on all this! DC got their fans very happy. Hope was restored. Wally was back. Everyone won. DC then was like well fans can’t be happy.... let’s shoot ourselves in the foot and destroy Rebirth.
This was, hands-down, one of the funniest episodes of Back Issues I've watched! After a heavy start to my second semester, I really needed this. Thanks a lot, guys!
Writers like this entirely misunderstand what makes Harly Quin a good character, she isnt the strongest smartest or most powerfull, she is a broken tragic human being. Not a Mary Sue.
The most interesting part was the ideological difference between Lois and Bats about the people's right to know there is therapy for people who can level cities vs. privacy, and they barely did anything with it.
HiC also happened around the same time as the whole Ric Grayson plot, so that was a real rough time for fans on the original titans. Really glad they retconned the hell out of this whole time period
"Then they clink beers&drink... & presumably BLOW EACH OTHER" LMMFAO... Just one of the many laugh out loud statements during reviewing this crapfest of a series🤣🤣🤣
Just when I thought nothing could top Ben saying Grant Morrison had a vision of blowing himself in the Final Crisis episode...."put on the doomsday suit" lmao.
I'm not the biggest fan of him but I've seen him being written competently in the past. In fact, not too long before Heroes in Crisis, we had a pretty good Booster Gold story over in Action Comics. He may not be my favorite DC character but even I know he deserves better than this.
slyfer60 , I thought it meant Clark was plowing Lois in the Doomsday costume, as a way for him to get over the fact he died by Doomsday. Either way the fact we’re discussing this is just ridiculous
"These are stories that need to be told!" Yeah, cause fuck a person's right to privacy and the secret identities of heroes that can/should unravel the tightly knit community of super heroes.
Not only did this make me laugh harder than anything this week, bit it also had too notch editing. With the text for the list and when we get to see Ethan's reaction in the corner as a picture is shown, the editing is fantastic!
what's crazy to me is that Tom King didn't even need to add all of these extra steps to give Booster Gold trauma and PTSD because the character already had one baked in: His best friend was murdered by the guy who inducted him into the Justice League back in the 80's during the events of Infinite Crisis. He was never given the chance to say goodbye to Ted Kord after it happened, he never personally was given the chance to seek absolution or justice after his death, and he wasn't even in the room when it happened. That's enough baggage to make a guy seek out counseling due to some form of PTSD.
The whole thing with Booster Gold bringing back the Waynes would never happen. Booster is kind of a goof but when it comes to time travel stuff, he's not an idiot.
Tom King had a mini therapy thing for the news at Comic Con to announce this book about superheros with PTSD, And I immediately knew I would not be interested in this book in the least(especially since I dropped his Batman) and seeing Sal, Joel, and everyone freak out about how bad this story was every issue solidified my reasoning. This'll be a fun episode though. Can't wait!
Every time I see this episode of back issues recommended to me like 1/8, or 3/4 watched, I'm like "This story looks familiar but I can't recall anything specific, how come I didn't finish this? maybe I fell asleep watching a back issues play list and this is where it naturally stopped?" and then after clicking on it a wave of repressed memories comes flooding over me as I realize what this story was and why I actively avoid thinking about it.
For a much better story, I recommend JLA/Titans: The Technis Imperative. It's not a Crisis, but it has pretty much every living hero at that time involved.
Hey man... Barry did cool things too.. there was like that time he killed reverse flash and Wally BETRAYED HIM in court. He uh... Introduced earth two... And uh.... He got struck by lightning? Listen Barry's cool too shut up
Saw the caption of the video with it saying the death of dc rebirth, and I immediately felt a little depressed by that title.😂 Excited for back issues as usual though.😂
Oh my God, there were like 5 moments in this ep that I had to phisically stop myself from waking up everyone in my house xD the doomsday joke was all timer holy crap
@@bornsinner8653 yeah... I know. But hell, the way him & Tiff broke down HOX/POX, and delivered us a 2&½ hour dissection, I think maybe he's finally ready to pull the trigger lol. In a perfect world he'd do some Criminal or Azz' 100 Bullets but those aren't his cup of tea for some reason😥
Much like there are some movies that are best viewed through the filter of MST3K, some comics are best experienced through ComicPOP. Since I was done with this story after issue 1, this is one such comic. This is gonna be good.
So not only did Harley Quinn defeat Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman, THE TRINITY, she beats the Flash as well? Wow... maybe they should just get Harley to fight Doomsday, Darkseid, or the Anti-Monitor
Every idea that Ethan and Ben spitball during the discussion is better than the actual story. It should've ended with Sanctuary becoming sentient, essentially becoming the new version of Psycho Pirate, believing heroes can NOT get past their PTSD.
Legit the whole point of rebirth was to bring back the goofy, light hearted, magical fun non-sense of pre-crises while still keeping it grounded like in post-crisis. But as it went on it’s like they were like “Oh that’s right we live in a Post-Watchmen world where everything is a complicated conspiracy and the world sucks and everyone is on the verge of a mental collapse half the time...and that sells”.
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Sal's "What's going on? How did this happen? Let's go back, let's go back." is my favorite running gag on this series.
It and the Geoff Johns finger guns
I hope that little Allie Mooore will be back someday.
Or when someone asks a question about something stupid happening and he just looks at them and moves on with the story
It seems some part of you imprinted onto me.
Honestly Sal is so good at calling out reused writing conventions, you can tell he really does care
“Wow, you guys are good. I was the last person I would have suspected, but I was looking for me all the time! It's the perfect crime!”
_~ Wally West_
He's so close to solving this crime, he can almost taste it.
"Yeah, yeah. Tell it to the judge, Pinky."
Best comment for this stupid story.
There's a "BUT IT WAS I DIO" joke in there somewhere.
I absolutely lost it at Ben's "Doomsday costume" comment. I laughed, out loud, in an empty room.
That was just perfect.
44:08
I saw your comment before I got to that part of the episode. But, it totally didn't ruin the moment because there's no way I could have guessed that it would have gone that way. Which is funny because I totally should have known it would have gone that way as it came from Ben
After years, he has finally become Banky in full.
I will now find a NSFW artists to make this reality.
It's funny that King felt he had to invent trauma for Booster Gold. In Geoff Johns' Booster Gold run (which is great and you should do on Back Issues), Michael goes back in time to save Barbara Gordon from being shot and paralyzed by the Joker. But, every time he tries to change that event, he just ends up being brutalized and tortured by the Joker, and Barbara always is paralyzed. It turns out that the idea of going back in time to save Barbara was an exercise by Rip Hunter to show Booster that he can't change the past, he can only change the future (meaning that he can't save Blue Beetle). That's fucked. That would traumatize me.
But, instead of building off the rich history of these characters, as Crises usually do, King had to completely undermine and assassinate Michael's character. Right after, need I remind you, Dan Jurgens wrote "Booster Shot", where Michael sacrifices everything to save Jon and Lois Kent.
Fuck this story. Fuck Heroes in Crisis. Go ComicPOP.
F### DC editorial. I never really cared for Wally but the ending of DC Rebirth was one of the most beautiful things I readed. So of course they had to f### it all up. Why DC, why do you always have to make every single character in your universe a miserable and unfun.
@@therealdude707 Because it’s easier to make something gritty than to make something good.
@@Tamaki742that's true. Unfortunately
@@therealdude707 At least currently Wally is finally the focal point of the main Flash title with HIS costume. Seemingly since Joshua Williamson seems to be the guiding force of DC rn, all the characters that have been fucked over might get some spotlight and redemption.
At least Tom King agrees and hates this story with a passion as well. It was never going to be good when editorials kept mucking with it. But he should’ve read more of the Booster Gold work and not try to do it himself.
“It’s Back to the Future but R-rated and stupid”
Hollywood exec: Hmmmm
Studio mogul: Don't even think about it.
It could work. Just give it a different name and that’s it.
Even calling it stupid is being too kind.
Isn't that Hot Tub Time Machine?
@@wtfrocks8663 pretty much, yeah.
9:28 “I think everybody trusts superma-
“And Batman”
Ethan-“wHaT?”
Greatest response. Ethan is a legend!
Lol...Ethan truly understands Batman."Batman should not have the keys to the vault."
He remembers all the OMAC satalite nonsense probably
And the tower of Babel. Can't forget that
"Yeah, but that's why you give it to Superman to control because everyone trusts him."
"And Batman."
"What."
This made me laugh so hard...
I was about to comment on the same thng. I love watching Sal tell the guys about the Crisis events and often rereead it. The fact Ethan knows exactly how bad of an idea this is just makes it perfect.
"Hey so I have this idea for a serious story about how superheroes deal with trauma."
"Great. You have to use two comedic characters and one of the happiest speedsters."
I didn't even think of that 😳😂
“Harley Quinn ran away on foot! She could be half way across the world by now!”
Not like you have an alien with superspeed or a billionaire with toys.....
@@JoeChillton Or an Amazonian Warrior, or a literal speedster, or a man who can create jet planes based off his willpower, or a robotic man who can create 'Boom Tubes' that can take him anywhere in the universe or...
Look basically anyone of the justice league could catch up with Harley Quinn.
"He has a fun power, What if it's a curse!" The basis of every Tom King Story.
@ Robert Corr- I remember that thesis from the 2002 Rami Spider-Man trailer. That seems to be a required trope for almost every superhero film or comic retelling since then (in some but not all cases).
Pretty much. Tom King can't write. Sorry. He's this one trick pony that loves self inserting himself and portraying everyone has sad and a victim.
"Oh, Mister Miracle is an escape artist?
What if he tries to escape FROM LIFE??"
I remember being excited that Tom King went DC exclusive. Damn. If only that never happened. He still couldve done the 1 good thing hes done in Mister Miracle without having him stuck on Batman forever, shitting out Heroes in Crisis, and made some more Marvel characters miserable in the process.
Considering Tom King is an ex-CIA spook, who was stationed overseas during the height of the worst parts of the "War on Terror" massacres over there, it makes sense for him to have an ideology that no one should have superpowers. Take that as you will ;)
Pros: amazing art
Cons: LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE
it's the All Star Batman & Robin of this generation
Except isn’t absurd or offensive to the point of hilarity
Clay Mann is a fine artist.
I guess the... Lagoon Boy death is good? Even though it doesn't make sense by the end because Dan DiDio wrote the last three issues. Eh... I don't know, man
I would not to that far I am not sure anything comes close to that
Tom King: Wally West is the murderer. He's selfish & thinks no one feels his pain.
Me: But, I read the first Titans trade. Wally met with Linda and realized that he needed to move on, but he didn't give up hope. M-maybe they'll get back together and even if they don't he's got his friends; he could find love with someone like Donna, or a completely new person. Five years were taken, remember? Remember that cool mystery?
King: Don't Care, doin' my own thing about PTSD.
I just read that Titans Volume. Sadness.
“She’s not nude she’s a plant”- comic pop
Stone Free She’s more plant muscle than skin
"put on the doomsday costume" has changed the way I look at the death of superman forever
TIME FOR EVERYONE TO GET PISSED.
I will never forgive Tom King for this series
It was not King’s fault. DC editorial gave him the characters to use and the kind of story he was supposed to create. His job was to soften the blow as much as possible.
His choice of making Wally a murderer! Is where I'm angry about this, I was already pissed about Arsenal dying , due to being an outlaws fan. But Wally?! Wally was *the* flash for the kids who got into comics between crisis on infinite earth & final crisis! I was so livid.
I blame editorial more
Anarchic Arachnid that was not really his choice the heads of DC besides Johns never really cared for Pre New 52 Wally and desperately wanted him off the table. The end result of HIC was already determined. King had the task of trying to make the editorial decision make sense. In my opinion he did as a good of job as any writer could have given the circumstances.
@@nicholaskatsikas4904 From what I've read, Johns has pretty much nothing to do with HIC, more likely it was DiDio. He hates any old sidekicks/ anything that could age a character.
That “Bros before Heroes” line makes me believe that even without editorial interference, that this story was going to be awful
40:31 This is one of the greatest ComicPop moments ever.
Edit: 44:10 ok, this one, too.
Ethan's complete indignation is LEGENDARY
"Identify Crisis 2 basically."
Yeah, pretty much. but i think worse somehow
Expect the twist at the end makes less sense.
It's Over 9000 Productions yup that’s right
Identity Crisis gets a bad rap. It's a good story, which is something I can't say for this. At least Brad Meltzer cared to write a good story.
@@batfreeze56 well identity crisis while isn't that bad of a story looking back at it after all of these years did kinda had some of the same problems like this series did specifically with the whole murder mystery aspect also had a extremely controversial moment involving sue dibney which was really dark and messed up for a multiple of reasons.
It's Over 9000 Productions Would you say that this is worse than Futures End?
I can't believe Clay Mann wasted his talents on this script. I really hope they paid him good because his work is too good for this level of writing.
So if Booster Gold could go to the future, clone Wally West and place that dead body in his place, couldn't he have done that for every person at Sanctuary so that nobody would have died?
You're absolutely right, but DC Editorial didn't want Booster to fix it because, at the end of the day this was a smear campaign against Wally. All so Barry can look better by comparison.
@@richardschneider7629 Wally killed a dozen people. Barry wiped trillions of people from existence.
@@batfreeze56 technically it was Dr. Manhattan that wiped out the trillions. Yes its a retcon, but when Barry "fixed" Flashpoint, it should have gone back to normal but Manhattan stepped in.
also lets not forget clones arent people, its totally fine to kill an innocent clone that didnt kill everyone, so the criminal that did kill everyone could survive
DC doesn't like things to make sense how dare you buy a comic and expect quality storytelling!?
Tom King is the new bendis when he's good HE'S GOOD. When he's bad, HE'S BAD.
When Tom King is good HE'S GREAT. When he's bad HE'S UNBELIEVABLY AWFUL
@@alexandrefrauches132 Now that's more like it
Early Bendis was a force to be reckoned with. I don’t even think King made enough stories to be compared to Bendis
@@masterrance Kings best stories are way better than anything Bandis has done
Revealing Storm I have to diagree opinion wise, but I was more saying Bendis has too wide of range of work compared to King at the moment.
“Put on the Doomsday costume”
Superman drops his pants
“This is how I get over my trauma!”
The idea of sanctuary is pretty good. The way the story was taken - NO!
Oh my god... Ethan's reaction to the Watchmen reference... I'm crying.
I really think Tom King had a story about PTSD in the superhero community that was suppose to be small and interesting. But then: DC executives went "Ooh let's make it an EVENT!"
Yeah, he revealed this project on Twitter like over half a year before it came out and it was supposed to be called Sanctuary and focus on that but then... Well... It didn't
No, don't give him an excuse. He wanted this story, and he wrote this story. He said he had a basic premise and HE asked DC what characters to use. So Tom King is 100 percent responsible for this series falling apart.
@@jabezcreed I'm not giving him an excuse,but it's clear there was some high jacking, it'd still probably have fallen apart especially if Wally was still gonna kill people.
Man, it’s been forever since I last heard of Blue Jay. Guy was an homage to Hank Pym’s Yellowjacket identity that came from alternate universe with some other Marvel homages, then wound up joining the Justice League.
Oh my God, a Crisis! It's been
*opens Back Issues playlist to see how long it's been and stops after he passes X-Men vs. FF*
a long time!
"The event 52 which we will do one day."
It's been years Sal!
Shhh. Let's not make this another World War Hulk situation. 🤣⏳
"As long as it hurts Wally" and my heart..
Sal's uproarious laughter at "I don't wanna think about that!" adds a year to my lifespan every time I hear it
"But it's in Superman's control, right?"
"And Batman's."
"WHAT?!"
I loved that!
This has been one of the funniest episodes ever. I just got to the “it happened 35 seconds ago” 😂😂
Great Back Issues, as always.
And man, I gotta say, one of my favourite parts about these episodes is whenever Sal, Ethan, and Ben end up pitching a better comic book plot than the one they're reading, based on Sal's incomplete explanation. Makes me really wish these guys had more opportunities to make their own work within the medium. Goodness knows I'd buy it.
This book is essentially the product of DiDio watching everything Johns was doing and saying "But I hate good things".
What a waste of Clay Mann's art.
Exactly.
Tom King was told which characters to use by DiDio and completely failed. I remember when the final issue of Heroes in Crisis came out the same day as a delayed Doomsday Clock issue. One explained Rebirth and the other killed it.
(Around 9:24)
Ethan: Well but it's under Superman's Control right?
Sal: Right.
Ethan: And he's the one everybody trus-
Sal: And Batman.
Ethan: What.
I'm dying 😂
A personal favorite from the one issue of this I read is Black Canary talking about killing both Booster and Harley, if they take too long to figure out who the killer is, because one of them probably did it and she needs to avenge Roy. I didn't know that's what heroes do, police take to long to identify the killer, murder all suspects. Super wholesome (and Oliver, mister socially conscious, just going along with Dinahs murder plans like he would be okay with the death penalty for the wrongfully accused)
“Maybe The real Heroes in Crisis were the editorial problems we made along the way” - DC
I just finished House of X; Back Issues, now you are dropping this on us. You guys are such gems on youtube. Please keep it up! ❤
"Wally... who was a character." Preach brother, preach!
Basically Heroes in Crises= "time travel" + character assassination + "it was just a simulation"
I’d love a documentary on all this! DC got their fans very happy. Hope was restored. Wally was back. Everyone won. DC then was like well fans can’t be happy.... let’s shoot ourselves in the foot and destroy Rebirth.
43:59 A Ben moment that tops all previous Ben moments. This may even dethrone the Grant Morrison blowing himself moment from Final Crisis. Bravo, Ben!
Didio "We're going to kill you ugly Flash..."
King "...but we want you to see it coming first!"
@Heartattack 77 I was paraphrasing something Captain Boomerang said too Wally in the JLU episode Flash and Substance...
This was, hands-down, one of the funniest episodes of Back Issues I've watched! After a heavy start to my second semester, I really needed this. Thanks a lot, guys!
Writers like this entirely misunderstand what makes Harly Quin a good character, she isnt the strongest smartest or most powerfull, she is a broken tragic human being. Not a Mary Sue.
25:06 ...I think Ethan just turned into Bale's Batman🤣🤣🤣
Tom King's "Middle age Crisis" produced by Dan Didio, like King's Batman run became too.
Sal you better believe I paused the video to see what flashed up when you hit Ben with the book. #Buttgate!
The most interesting part was the ideological difference between Lois and Bats about the people's right to know there is therapy for people who can level cities vs. privacy, and they barely did anything with it.
Can I just say one thing?! I love this channel! And "Back Issues" is one of my favourite parts of ComicPop! Never retire, boys and girls!
The only way this could have reeked more of DC editorial was if they shoehorned Nightwing in as an accomplice with Wally
It was a murder plot by Wally West and Ric Grayson all along.
HiC also happened around the same time as the whole Ric Grayson plot, so that was a real rough time for fans on the original titans. Really glad they retconned the hell out of this whole time period
6:58 is my all time favorite second from the lifetime of this show 🤷♂️
mine is bens lockjaw moment in civil war 2 "yea if you're a dog"
"Then they clink beers&drink... & presumably BLOW EACH OTHER" LMMFAO... Just one of the many laugh out loud statements during reviewing this crapfest of a series🤣🤣🤣
Just when I thought nothing could top Ben saying Grant Morrison had a vision of blowing himself in the Final Crisis episode...."put on the doomsday suit" lmao.
Real talk, Booster Gold is my favorite character in DC, BUT I understand that he isn't a popular guy.
I'm not the biggest fan of him but I've seen him being written competently in the past. In fact, not too long before Heroes in Crisis, we had a pretty good Booster Gold story over in Action Comics. He may not be my favorite DC character but even I know he deserves better than this.
Of course. He is the Greatest Hero You’ve Never Heard Of.
Having myself a sick day off work and seeing this just made my day guys.
43:53 I literally cried 🤣🤣🤣 this was definitely the funniest moment in back issues by far!
I like how quick witted you guys are with eachother. Your friendship makes this channel. Love these videos
0:43 I’m dead already. Sal sounds so appalled at that accusation
It was nice seeing some of the lesser known characters show up. Too bad they were all dead before the first page.
9:28 classic comicpop moment
Ethan: WHAT?
Ethan: wHAT!?
44:07 Put on the doomsday costume again 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is how DC becomes R rated
If it wasn't already
I don't get it.
@@huttmuttbutt The joke implies Lois wearing the doomsday costume pegs Clark. Hence R-rated?
@@slyfer60 Thanks
slyfer60 , I thought it meant Clark was plowing Lois in the Doomsday costume, as a way for him to get over the fact he died by Doomsday. Either way the fact we’re discussing this is just ridiculous
@@edwardosquidwardo1182 My thoughts were it was a sexual form of high exposure therapy. But yes you're right it's ridiculous.
The Ozymandias reference pissing off Ethan cracked me up
"These are stories that need to be told!"
Yeah, cause fuck a person's right to privacy and the secret identities of heroes that can/should unravel the tightly knit community of super heroes.
44:22 "That was awesome though" lmao was thinking the same thing
You know it’s bad when even Scott Lobdell knows it and is trying to fix it
Oh no. I knew you guys would cover this story eventually. I hate this crisis about as equally as I hate Identity Crisis
1:07:13 Sal from ComicPOP gives a stunning endorsement!
The cuts showing Ben and Ethan’s frustration were on point
1:05:38 If Hal could recover from that, Superman definitely could
I haven't watched back issues for a while I always forget how much fun it is
I want a tanget of them just them going over the confessions
Not only did this make me laugh harder than anything this week, bit it also had too notch editing. With the text for the list and when we get to see Ethan's reaction in the corner as a picture is shown, the editing is fantastic!
54:36 I found that hilarious because that was also Kojima's dumb-ass logic for Quiet in Metal Gear.
what's crazy to me is that Tom King didn't even need to add all of these extra steps to give Booster Gold trauma and PTSD because the character already had one baked in: His best friend was murdered by the guy who inducted him into the Justice League back in the 80's during the events of Infinite Crisis. He was never given the chance to say goodbye to Ted Kord after it happened, he never personally was given the chance to seek absolution or justice after his death, and he wasn't even in the room when it happened. That's enough baggage to make a guy seek out counseling due to some form of PTSD.
Lois: How do I make it up to you, Clark?
Clark: Get the Doomsday costume...😱😱😱
The whole thing with Booster Gold bringing back the Waynes would never happen. Booster is kind of a goof but when it comes to time travel stuff, he's not an idiot.
Tom King had a mini therapy thing for the news at Comic Con to announce this book about superheros with PTSD, And I immediately knew I would not be interested in this book in the least(especially since I dropped his Batman) and seeing Sal, Joel, and everyone freak out about how bad this story was every issue solidified my reasoning. This'll be a fun episode though. Can't wait!
Every time I see this episode of back issues recommended to me like 1/8, or 3/4 watched, I'm like "This story looks familiar but I can't recall anything specific, how come I didn't finish this? maybe I fell asleep watching a back issues play list and this is where it naturally stopped?" and then after clicking on it a wave of repressed memories comes flooding over me as I realize what this story was and why I actively avoid thinking about it.
This is one of those perfect episodes of back issues
43:52 is the big Doomsday moment, for future reference.
"Put on the Doomsday costume!" best thing ever uttered online. Internet, Won! Ben, you sir, are a legend!
44:08
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Thomas Kent was conceived.
For a much better story, I recommend JLA/Titans: The Technis Imperative. It's not a Crisis, but it has pretty much every living hero at that time involved.
Hey man... Barry did cool things too.. there was like that time he killed reverse flash and Wally BETRAYED HIM in court. He uh... Introduced earth two... And uh.... He got struck by lightning?
Listen Barry's cool too shut up
Saw the caption of the video with it saying the death of dc rebirth, and I immediately felt a little depressed by that title.😂 Excited for back issues as usual though.😂
Sanctuary: Exists
Batman: I wish I had a way to help Jason..
Oh my God, there were like 5 moments in this ep that I had to phisically stop myself from waking up everyone in my house xD the doomsday joke was all timer holy crap
I like to listen to Back Issues as I fall asleep and this time, I just fell asleep constantly giggling.
Its genius,lol, he taught us all about having ptsd by giving us ptsd after reading this book.
Sal, you just made my day in the first few minutes saying you guys will do 52 eventually. Thank you sir. 👍🏾
I know I was so happy when they said this
Unfortunately he’s been saying it for years 😞
@@bornsinner8653 yeah... I know. But hell, the way him & Tiff broke down HOX/POX, and delivered us a 2&½ hour dissection, I think maybe he's finally ready to pull the trigger lol. In a perfect world he'd do some Criminal or Azz' 100 Bullets but those aren't his cup of tea for some reason😥
"Put on the Doomsday costume!" Damnit Ben, that broke me too.
Ben: Joker is like "man, I probably could've killed him a different way."
Me: *does Joaquin Phoenix's Joker laugh*
Much like there are some movies that are best viewed through the filter of MST3K, some comics are best experienced through ComicPOP. Since I was done with this story after issue 1, this is one such comic. This is gonna be good.
So not only did Harley Quinn defeat Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman, THE TRINITY, she beats the Flash as well? Wow... maybe they should just get Harley to fight Doomsday, Darkseid, or the Anti-Monitor
Every idea that Ethan and Ben spitball during the discussion is better than the actual story. It should've ended with Sanctuary becoming sentient, essentially becoming the new version of Psycho Pirate, believing heroes can NOT get past their PTSD.
Legit the whole point of rebirth was to bring back the goofy, light hearted, magical fun non-sense of pre-crises while still keeping it grounded like in post-crisis. But as it went on it’s like they were like
“Oh that’s right we live in a Post-Watchmen world where everything is a complicated conspiracy and the world sucks and everyone is on the verge of a mental collapse half the time...and that sells”.