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  • @brunomonteiro3646
    @brunomonteiro3646 2 месяца назад +471

    I don't, but according to job descriptions, every company does.

    • @claude3957
      @claude3957 2 месяца назад +17

      Almost every technology in my CV.

    • @Jav202x
      @Jav202x 2 месяца назад +6

      Lol this is so accurate 😂

    • @randerins
      @randerins 2 месяца назад

      Typical frontend developer requirement on LinkedIn. Yes, frontend

    • @Kane0123
      @Kane0123 2 месяца назад +33

      My app does, but yeah most probably don’t. When users eventually find my pomodoro app I’ll be able to scale like crazy.

    • @merofuruya_
      @merofuruya_ 2 месяца назад

      ​@@Kane0123lmao

  • @disgruntledtoons
    @disgruntledtoons 2 месяца назад +328

    Fast-to-ship frameworks are how we get unmaintainable apps nowadays:
    1. Slap together a demo of the app.
    2. Management: "How quickly can you put this into production?"
    3. You: "That cannot be accurately predicted."
    4. Management: "I need a clear time-frame."
    5. You: "At least four sprints."
    6. Management: "Have it ready in two sprints."

    • @LeviNotik
      @LeviNotik 2 месяца назад +1

      Lollll

    • @Serizon_
      @Serizon_ 2 месяца назад +6

      yes though I am wondering the difference between next js and sveltekit . I am liking sveltekit so far but I don't know.

    • @user-oj7uc8tw9r
      @user-oj7uc8tw9r 2 месяца назад +13

      This is how business really works. 100%. I never use fast to ship frameworks

    • @tempestalle
      @tempestalle 2 месяца назад +8

      Management giving two sprints is being so generous

    • @brdevll
      @brdevll 2 месяца назад

      that's me in my current freelancer job

  • @andreluizferreira7082
    @andreluizferreira7082 2 месяца назад +36

    I just love the relationship between Prime and Chat.
    It's like an uncle trying to explain something to his hyperactive's nephew. That's just perfect.

  • @tc2241
    @tc2241 2 месяца назад +226

    Do you want to scale? Do you want to scale across n machines? Do you want to scale across n machines and not have to baby node and service health? Then you need an orchestrator. Do you hate, “well it worked on my machine” then you want images, do you want light weight images? Then you need containers. Do you want the ability to easily move between cloud providers and onprem? You want K8s.

    • @GokuMercenarioSC
      @GokuMercenarioSC 2 месяца назад +16

      k8s work until some architect has the bright idea to use all the toolbox of x provider, I mean, to move between cloud providers.

    • @guillaume_s
      @guillaume_s 2 месяца назад +11

      ​@@GokuMercenarioSCyes you have to to keep using standard and open source tech or the vendor lock-in can be very hard

    • @110110010
      @110110010 2 месяца назад +5

      This is the best, most concise explanation of k8s I've ever seen

    • @smnomad9276
      @smnomad9276 2 месяца назад +7

      You should get hired as a lead marketer because that was the clearest, most concise and most sellable way of describing K8s.

    • @Cleanser23
      @Cleanser23 2 месяца назад

      Why not just containerize your application(s) and deploy on heroku, cloud run, cloud foundry etc? Then when/if you use k8s or nomad then do that when you need to?

  • @tinrab
    @tinrab 2 месяца назад +64

    For me, learning Kubernetes and other tools in "cncf" suite was a blast (not just for myself, but also on the job). The thought process behind learning it or no is the common response: Sure, most projects don't need it. You don't need it for your CRUD-ish React app side project. But, it's an amazing tool to have in your toolbox, for larger projects and to increase your market worth as an engineer. The distinction between business decisions and career decisions in the article is perfect.

  • @marcelocueto2952
    @marcelocueto2952 2 месяца назад +122

    - How many kubernetes do you need?
    - YES

  • @orterves
    @orterves 2 месяца назад +16

    9:44 "complex problems sometimes just have complex solutions" - that's called irreducible complexity, and the failed software projects I have seen frequently try to "simplify" irreducible complexity, causing the complexity to be hidden and damaging throughout the whole project.

  • @milohoffman274
    @milohoffman274 2 месяца назад +35

    "You were born to deploy Kubernetes"

  • @bswitzer8
    @bswitzer8 2 месяца назад +84

    @Prime there are two types of people.
    1) people who learn recursion
    2) people who keep learning recursion.

    • @mr.mirror1213
      @mr.mirror1213 2 месяца назад +2

      I’m 2 dawg can’t figure out DP 😢😢😢

    • @devops1044
      @devops1044 2 месяца назад

      The case I remember recursion is a directory listing. Perhaps gathering file names and sizes, and calculating folder sizes.

    • @bswitzer8
      @bswitzer8 2 месяца назад

      fibonnaci sequence + memoized is how I figured out recursion better.
      but I will say, I have used recursion in the wild for bread crumbing on a website. it was kinda sus.

    • @Nerdimo
      @Nerdimo 2 месяца назад

      @@mr.mirror1213bro why is this true. I can’t figure out dp, so I use recursion with memoization on leetcode

    • @MagnumCarta
      @MagnumCarta 2 месяца назад

      Recursion always winds you up reading a Stack Overflow post.

  • @asherrfacee
    @asherrfacee 2 месяца назад +13

    15:30 that’s not the correct use of “exception that proves the rule”. A common example is a parking sign that says “Free parking on Sundays” which implies that the general rule is no parking.

  • @DonBurgess286
    @DonBurgess286 2 месяца назад +12

    I feel click baited 😂. Love your videos but there's no Kubernetes talk in this one haha

    • @anfelrosa5661
      @anfelrosa5661 Месяц назад +1

      Thank you, saved my time x))

    • @codegate615
      @codegate615 Месяц назад

      Sorry he doesn’t just regurgitate easy info.. you’re very new and don’t understand he’s discussing theory not simple yes no answers to spoon feed you

  • @logantcooper6
    @logantcooper6 2 месяца назад +29

    The hard part is when the quick and dirty MVP becomes the foundation for everything you do moving forward and management gets used to quick and dirty fixes and doesnt understand the need for a solid technical foundation.

    • @gerooq
      @gerooq 2 месяца назад

      exactlyyyy

  • @KangoV
    @KangoV 2 месяца назад +15

    In the company I work for, Java+HTMX is eating JS/TS jobs. React and Angular devs are moving to Java/Go/Python. They seem quite happy as well.

    • @SandraWantsCoke
      @SandraWantsCoke 2 месяца назад +1

      I tried HTMX yesterday for the first time. It's pretty good, but I would not know how to structure a large app with it (do I create a new .html file for the stuff I want to have old html swapped with?), or how to persist some client states that I need on the client side. I would probably have to put everything into DB, no idea.

    • @KangoV
      @KangoV 2 месяца назад

      @@SandraWantsCoke All depends what rendering framework you use. Some can use partials (fragments of html in the same .html file).

    • @KangoV
      @KangoV Месяц назад

      Using JStachio which is fully compatible with Mustache. It compiles templates at compile time and can have no runtime dependency. It has partials and fragments. For example, the main parts of a dashboard are in their own html file which contains many fragments to enable swapping out html within the larger component. It works extremely well. As the templates are strongly typed and compiled, you see errors in the IDE (intellij), which has been truly awesome.

    • @arden6725
      @arden6725 Месяц назад +1

      Sounds like your websites weren’t interactive and shouldn’t have been using react/angular over a static site generator

    • @sofianikiforova7790
      @sofianikiforova7790 Месяц назад +1

      Not sure why you jumped from php/jquery to react in the first place

  • @xeinaemm
    @xeinaemm 2 месяца назад +14

    I migrate and modernize legacy apps including runtimes, kernels, and compilers. Kubernetes is good for building a platform to reduce the cost of managing a large data center or when aiming for multi-cloud due to scale. Most products need simple container solutions like AWS ECS. As with microservices, most products should end their journey on a modular monolith.
    For now, only a few thousand companies across the globe need the K8S, but people have chosen to use it as a nail and hammer.

    • @asdasddas100
      @asdasddas100 2 месяца назад +1

      My job uses k8s. The k8s engineers claim that ecs sucks
      Not sure how valid that claim is. The apps we run are simple and personally I think k8s is overkill and you have to spend so much time maintaining the cluster too

    • @xeinaemm
      @xeinaemm 2 месяца назад

      ​@@asdasddas100 I worked for one of the biggest telecoms, which runs most products on AWS ECS. It always depends on the prerequisites, i.e. what "sucks" and what tradeoff you choose.

    • @Sadzeih
      @Sadzeih 2 месяца назад

      And I'm sure that Telecom company had an massive infrastructure team that built the whole system of deploying shit to ECS. Whereas you can handle k8s alone.

    • @xeinaemm
      @xeinaemm 2 месяца назад

      @@Sadzeih 3 teams, ~15-20 people. Currently they merge similar solutions across globe so probably more now.
      By handling k8s alone do you mean ready-to-go products like AWS EKS or Azure AKS?
      Maintaining the k8s platform built from scratch is the work of over 50 people. It took 3 years and 500+ people to build a platform on top of k8s in a bank I worked for.
      In the case of ready-made k8s, this should be a lower bar, but I have never used such solutions so far.

    • @Sadzeih
      @Sadzeih 2 месяца назад +4

      Yeah. There's basically 0 reason to use non-managed k8s these days. GKE or EKS are great.

  • @IndigoTeddy
    @IndigoTeddy 2 месяца назад +29

    Implementing recursion isn't hard, debugging recursion is hard

    • @AG-ur1lj
      @AG-ur1lj 2 месяца назад +6

      Maybe it would be even more appropriate to say that introducing recursion isn’t hard.

    • @xybersurfer
      @xybersurfer 10 дней назад +1

      it depends. it's probably the side effects that make debugging recursion hard. i think that recursion which only builds a return value (an expression) requires less debugging, because it's easier to reason about

    • @xybersurfer
      @xybersurfer 9 дней назад

      ​@@AG-ur1lj "Changing some value until some condition is met" changing stuff is pretty much a side effect, so yeah that's trickier to reason about but it's not because of recursion.
      you can make recursion look just like a loop if you pass on to the next call, what you would pass on to the next loop iteration. so it's not necessarily harder to reason about.
      but i get that syntax wise it would require creating a whole new function (i know that feeling in most languages). in functional programming languages you get away with this, because the syntax for creating a recursive function is about as heavy as writing a loop (only slightly heavier).
      loops are only a subset of what you can do with recursion. typically it's problems that work with trees that are easier with recursion. but lots of things are trees. like finding an employee's highest level manager by going through the manager's manager etc, or problems like adding 1 to every node in a tree. XML is also an example of a tree.
      but even in functional programming people try avoid dropping to recursion: most things, can be done with just a function call, because function definitions are values an so can be passed in and returned as values like in JavaScript (a.k.a. Higher Order functions). but also because a function call with missing parameters, results in a new function that expects the missing parameters (a.k.a. Lambda Calculus). so you get a lot of one liners like in this video.
      side effects (including global mutable state) are typically avoided in functional programming. you still need them to change the outside world, but they are typically confined to only a few parts of your program, and make the rest easier to reason about.
      bugs can still occur of course in functional programming, but a strict type system and the increased simplicity of the code makes it less likely (the whole program is basically 1 expression instead a statement like in most other Imperative programming languages).
      TLDR: basically it helps if the language is flexible enough to not have to write out recursion, every time you need it.

    • @xybersurfer
      @xybersurfer 9 дней назад

      @@AG-ur1lj "Changing some value until some condition is met" changing stuff is pretty much a side effect, so yeah that's trickier to reason about but it's not because of recursion.
      you can make recursion look just like a loop if you pass on to the next call, what you would pass on to the next loop iteration. so it's not necessarily harder to reason about.
      but i get that syntax wise it would require creating a whole new function (i know that feeling in most languages). in functional programming languages you get away with this, because the syntax for creating a recursive function is about as heavy as writing a loop (only slightly heavier).
      loops are only a subset of what you can do with recursion. typically it's problems that work with trees that are easier with recursion. but lots of things are trees. like finding an employee's highest level manager by going through the manager's manager etc, or problems like adding 1 to every node in a tree. XML is also an example of a tree.
      but even in functional programming people try avoid dropping to recursion: most things, can be done with just a function call, because function definitions are values an so can be passed in and returned as values like in JavaScript (aka Higher Order functions). but also because a function call with missing parameters, results in a new function that expects the missing parameters (aka Lambda Calculus). so you get a lot of one liners like in this video.
      side effects (including global mutable state) are typically avoided in functional programming. you still need them to change the outside world, but they are typically confined to only a few parts of your program, and make the rest easier to reason about.
      bugs can still occur of course in functional programming, but a strict type system and the increased simplicity of the code makes it less likely (the whole program is basically 1 expression instead a statement like in most other Imperative programming languages).
      TLDR: basically it helps if the language is flexible enough to not have to write out recursion, every time you need it.

  • @BobbyBasketballl
    @BobbyBasketballl 2 месяца назад +13

    Man reading the comments and recalling what my old coworkers say, it's like Devs never learn. The answer is almost always "it depends"... There's not a hard yes or no. I would thoroughly dislike working with the majority of you in the comments.

    • @7th_CAV_Trooper
      @7th_CAV_Trooper 2 месяца назад +4

      It's tradeoffs all the way down.

    • @LiveType
      @LiveType 2 месяца назад

      At the pareto frontier there is no such thing as best. Only better at the expense of something else.

    • @mek101whatif7
      @mek101whatif7 2 месяца назад +1

      It depends ON WHAT, though?

    • @MagnumCarta
      @MagnumCarta 2 месяца назад

      Attorney Tom the software developer: "it depends"

  • @crimsonbit
    @crimsonbit 2 месяца назад +17

    Kubernetes is not even hard. At first the concepts might be hard to grasp, but after understanding the how and the why, its all just yaml config files and running commands. Diving a little bit deeper and using k8s hooks in your code for developing k8s-native microservices is where things become a little more complex but if you are just getting started, that stuff is far into the future and by then you will be more confident about learning more. Also that stuff is what pays a lot.

    • @doceddie
      @doceddie 2 месяца назад +1

      It's very simple compared to a lot of other software. Takes about a week to understand the majority of the use cases. Takes years to know the edge cases.

    • @johanlopeztorres235
      @johanlopeztorres235 Месяц назад

      What other softwares?? ​@@doceddie

  • @Dronkwors97
    @Dronkwors97 Месяц назад +1

    For me Kubernetes solves the headache of the supporting infrastructure (like monitoring, networking, security, storage etc...) maintainability, scalability, HA, and automation for your project application(s)

  • @NickSteffen
    @NickSteffen 2 месяца назад +2

    I think people are confusing two things, one is understanding the concept of recursion, and the second is being able to actually use it and understand what is happening. The first is simple, “function calls itself hur, dur, easy peasy” the second is a mind melting session of doom.

  • @joshgelias
    @joshgelias 2 месяца назад +7

    I'd be happy to help migrate you to screen capturing in Wayland. It can be super annoying to get off x11, but it will fix that tearing. Great video!

    • @MagnumCarta
      @MagnumCarta 2 месяца назад +2

      I can't help but read Wayland and always hear Sean Bean reminding me that we ought to be off to Weyland Priory. (I know its actually Weynon Priory)

    • @joshgelias
      @joshgelias 2 месяца назад +1

      @@MagnumCarta I'm in that awkward age where it's hard not to associate him with Boromir because I was just barely too young to know all his great roles in the 90s.

  • @moaxcp
    @moaxcp 7 дней назад

    I like how you mention tcp and binary protocols. I went into writing an x11 client in Java not knowing much but now it has helped me understand that all clients have some underlying protocol.

  • @DonAlonzo
    @DonAlonzo 2 месяца назад +34

    "I'd rather get shit done quickly, emphasis shit."

  • @adamstrejcovsky8257
    @adamstrejcovsky8257 2 месяца назад +36

    Kubernetes nuts

  • @droker123
    @droker123 2 месяца назад +13

    Networking is something that every dev should know. I can count on one hand the number of devs who actually understand how tcp works I have met in my current work place

    • @zorgivanov8685
      @zorgivanov8685 2 месяца назад +7

      Your average dev does not really need to know how tcp works 😮

    • @MagnumCarta
      @MagnumCarta 2 месяца назад

      TCP was a lot of fun to learn about in my mobile and wireless computer networks course in university. Since mobile communication is affected by attenuation, a direct line to the end server is really bad because of TCP's congestion threshold algorithms. One solution is to set up two channels, one between the client and a mobile base-switching station (that takes in traffic from cell towers) and from the mobile base-switching station to the end server. The base-switching station is not affected by attenuation since it often uses direct physical lines between providers. The end server's intermediate nodes in the network never throttle the connection since it remains stable from the base-switching station.

    • @user-hm9is5ke9i
      @user-hm9is5ke9i 2 месяца назад

      Syn-Ack brother.

    • @RandomNoob1124
      @RandomNoob1124 Месяц назад

      Wow, it’s rare for a SDE to know what TCP is?

  • @markamber1480
    @markamber1480 2 месяца назад

    I wish I was on for this stream but I was on a flight. Kuberneres is so satisfying and you might never truely get done learning it once you get into building your own operators and CRD. I was not at all interested in it until I started using it to solve all infrastructure problems and learning how to operate it. You would love it.

  • @mirkogeffken2290
    @mirkogeffken2290 Месяц назад

    He has the best takes. Sometimes on the worst of editors (and sometimes languages). Love this dude!

  • @user-oj7uc8tw9r
    @user-oj7uc8tw9r 2 месяца назад +16

    Delivered software on 12 test systems last year. Never needed Kubernetes.
    That doesnt mean Kubernetes is useless, but there is a tool for every situation and not a tool for every situation.

    • @Kane0123
      @Kane0123 2 месяца назад +10

      But when my simple to-do app blows up I’ll be ready.

  • @andythedishwasher1117
    @andythedishwasher1117 2 месяца назад +3

    My strategy for covering every level of complexity in a project is basically to keep a Kube deployment module in my back pocket at all times for when something gets too big or insecure and the individual Docker containers in my front pocket need managed.

    • @0xCAFEF00D
      @0xCAFEF00D 2 месяца назад

      I don't follow. You're doing the work to deploy to a large number of users while hiding it from management? To subvert their decisions I presume.

  • @MarcelRiegler
    @MarcelRiegler 2 месяца назад +21

    Honestly, K8S is often useful even for small things. The moment you want to avoid downtime during updates, K8S is useful. No, handrolling an adhoc version of a buggy subset of K8S in Ansible is NOT an option.

    • @chupasaurus
      @chupasaurus 2 месяца назад +3

      Even Docker Compose can handle that if you haven't forget about HEALTHCHECK in the image.

    • @mudi2000a
      @mudi2000a 2 месяца назад +3

      @@chupasaurusif you are at the level where you can handle it with docker compose then just running k8s locally and using it instead is not really more effort.

    • @chupasaurus
      @chupasaurus 2 месяца назад

      @@mudi2000a Compose has service update policies since forever. Sure it lacks proper networking to run multiple instances of the same service, but that's where service discovery comes handy (wink-wink Consul/Vault). And Ops pain to run it is tiny bit worse than to have a managed k8s cluster, on-premise ones are orders of magnitude worse.

    • @pylotlight
      @pylotlight 2 месяца назад +2

      @@chupasaurus I love my home k3s cluster which makes it easy to host my own apps in a cluster and manage ingress etc. just like running the AKS stuff at work more or less...

    • @Waitwhat469
      @Waitwhat469 2 месяца назад +2

      @@chupasaurus k3s and rke2 have been pretty easy to deploy for me vs docker compose tbh.

  • @robmorgan1214
    @robmorgan1214 2 месяца назад +2

    Simplest scales BEST. Fastest is the best for short term survival and it builds momentum if you're at all focused on investor relations. Cheapest is often good if you're already revenue positive... take a breath build your war chest and focus on simplifying all the things.

  • @abdulmoiz6060
    @abdulmoiz6060 2 месяца назад

    @ThePrimeTime you are awsome. most of the time in this busy life i dont have time to read the tec articles but you in your video make my ife easy. Thankyou.

  • @saheemsiddiqi3220
    @saheemsiddiqi3220 2 месяца назад +2

    Those who need to deploy and maintain a cluster agree it's complicated. Needed for a monolith? Nope. If you have a set of services (micro, domain, whatever size you want), with supporting software that need LB, Service Discovery, Resilience, etc. Those who use K8s agree, it really makes things easy.

  • @pxkqd
    @pxkqd 2 месяца назад +2

    Oh man when you talked raw dogging networks I remembered using netcat back in uni, such a useful tool and so long ago that I made use of it.

  • @todo9633
    @todo9633 Месяц назад +1

    That guy in chat was the exception that proved the rule that the saying "exception that proves the rule" was an easy saying to understand.

  • @jackpowell9276
    @jackpowell9276 2 месяца назад

    Big fan of networking knowledge. Im more a cloud/platform engineer, and when i get new guys, i get them to focus on rounding that knowledge out first if they haven't already. Its so critical to design, debugging, security, and just tech understand as it underpins everything.

  • @shadowpenguin3482
    @shadowpenguin3482 2 месяца назад

    To me understanding recursion was about being able to assume that you already have another function implemented that you know the behavior of.
    Eg merge sort, start out with a method that sorts with another technique, then implement a naive merge sort that sorts your list using the other sort and merges the results. Realise that you need to handle edge cases (list size 1). Then swap out the other implementation for a recursive call

  • @orlovskyconsultinggbr2849
    @orlovskyconsultinggbr2849 2 месяца назад +1

    what this article really say: never trust cloud vendors, always think of advantages and disadvantages of the tech which you use in business, you make a smart decision when you as programmer have freedom of choice . I say business logic , also called as core logic of your apps is valuable , everything else doesn't matter to business. Kubernetes what it is ? In simple terms its a distribution system , yes you have heard it right. Why to use Kubernetes? Well if you have a lot of cash and legacy hardware which you want to get rid off, well then maybe it would help you, usually me and my company creqte requirement specs, and go with client trough them, and if not all box checked than we usually say in your case maybe its go better step by step and make small solutions and small prototypes and if you liked the workflow , well then go bigger. Companies often select technology without any big consideration, and thats my friend a problem.

  • @larryd9577
    @larryd9577 2 месяца назад +2

    Building fast, creates mudd, in which you can't move fast in the future.

  • @nickmurdaugh9856
    @nickmurdaugh9856 Месяц назад

    13:25 For some reason, recursion made immediate sense to me. I was using it to solve problems effectively in my first couple weeks of coding because it just came to me as a natural solution to some problems. But I absolutely struggled to understand classes in the beginning.

  • @Griffolion0
    @Griffolion0 2 месяца назад

    We recently rolled out k8s to our application stack and it works well, and achieves what it was intended to achieve. Pick the right tool for the situation.

  • @joewhiteakeriii5568
    @joewhiteakeriii5568 2 месяца назад

    I love using K8s locally with rancher desktop and knowing that the way I deploy locally is fundamentally no different than the way I deploy in prod. Helm has been a game changer for my teams ability to find production issues longer before ever hitting production by using k3s locally

  • @GameEngineeringPodcast
    @GameEngineeringPodcast 2 месяца назад +5

    "Can you deliver the features in reasonable amount of time" - knowing how much you can deliver in a given time span is a clear sign of seniority (= experience)

    • @fenix849
      @fenix849 2 месяца назад +4

      If you're starting green field and building it all from scratch I sort of agree, but when dealing with complexities of existing products/features that have to be maintained or migrated it can very easily turn any almost number you care to give either wildly optimistic or wildly conservative, usually experience hedges towards conservative estimates of time required in these cases.

    • @airkami
      @airkami Месяц назад

      Seniority is having the spine to explain to the boss that their business rules come second to the release of the finished product. And that the only way to get them in the estimation is to remove the estimation from the purview indefinitely

  • @jcc4tube
    @jcc4tube 2 месяца назад +24

    "the exception proves the rule" comes from an old english meaning of 'prove' which is 'to test' as in missile proving grounds. It really means the exception tests the rule.

    • @priapushk996
      @priapushk996 2 месяца назад

      Didn't know that, but do know the saying has been long since debunked as casuistry.

    • @MagnumCarta
      @MagnumCarta 2 месяца назад +1

      I just want to let you know that when I read "missile proving grounds", I immediately pictured two missiles in medieval armor rocking themselves vertically across a field chanting about their reasons for fighting this day upon these hallowed grounds.

    • @basedfacistman
      @basedfacistman 2 месяца назад +1

      no what the fuck? it comes from Cicero and it means what it says

    • @guywithknife
      @guywithknife 2 месяца назад +1

      Chat jippity explained it to me stating that the common use of the phrase is misusing it and a more correct usage would be a statement like “parking allowed on Sundays” is an exception to an overarching rule that shows the existence of said overarching rule (that parking is not allowed on other days). But it also explained that 1) it comes from a Latin phrase that roughly translates to “the exception confirms the rule in cases not excepted” (exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis) and also that, yes, prove isn’t meant in the meaning of “shows evidence for” but in the old meaning of “tests” just like how proving grounds means testing grounds.

    •  2 месяца назад +2

      Wikipedia (best source ever) says it's disputed and noone really agrees, but this would certainly make more sense. Although usually when I find words or proverbs like this, I usually stop using them because they aren't useful for communication.

  • @joeyjo-jojuniorshabadoo6827
    @joeyjo-jojuniorshabadoo6827 2 месяца назад +2

    The demand-difficulty graph could be 3d and the z-axis is the money you make.

  • @Hector-bj3ls
    @Hector-bj3ls Месяц назад

    Recursion was easy for me, but I'd already learned loops and the stack. I then learned about the trampoline technique for avoiding stack overflow

  • @rationalagent6927
    @rationalagent6927 2 месяца назад +2

    The hardest part of recursion is The hardest part of recursion

  • @bennythetiger6052
    @bennythetiger6052 2 месяца назад

    Btw looking forward for the networking course. I'm an okay developer who's ventured into many different problems, from parsing to building compilers to authentication and encryption and more. And I'm very interested in learning "how to TCP"

  • @dehb1ue
    @dehb1ue 2 месяца назад

    Proof by induction is the hardest part of recursion. In practice, programmers don’t think about proof by induction, but their intuition ends up being a sort of automatic implementation of proof by induction.

  • @probaddie456
    @probaddie456 2 месяца назад

    The hard part of recursion is that you need to accept that the very function you're writing *already works* for "smaller" inputs. E.g., in Python:
    def product(nums: List[int]) -> int:
    return nums[0] * product(nums[1:]) if nums else 1
    The invocation products(nums[1:]) has to be assumed to return the product of the tail even as you're making that happen. But if you get over that hurdle, the rest is easy (just multiply that result with the head and return).

    • @NostraDavid2
      @NostraDavid2 2 месяца назад

      Practical note: Python has a stack depth limit, so recursion on an unknown depth is a bad idea. IIRC it's also slower than using a loop.
      I love recursive code though. So clean.

    • @stxnw
      @stxnw 2 месяца назад

      “wishful thinking” as my prof calls it is one of the biggest roadblocks but it’s not the end. there’s many more afterwards.

  • @airkami
    @airkami Месяц назад

    I love that lane sugar coats it.
    Most people see the realistic and negative framing:
    You need to know how to launch a rocket to the moon before you can get a job launching a simple web app for a startup or Fortune 500

  • @NikPiermafrost
    @NikPiermafrost 2 месяца назад +1

    I like Kubernetes and i decided to get really good at it, at the point to get the CKA from Linux foundation. I did it because my old company imposed kubernetes, so I got through all of this crap to know when you DON'T need kubernetes and discourage the use of it if not needed

    • @dandogamer
      @dandogamer 2 месяца назад +1

      Was it worth getting the CKA, I've done the CKAD exam a couple years ago

    • @NikPiermafrost
      @NikPiermafrost 2 месяца назад

      @@dandogamerIt is worth it. You get to learn the in depth of what does manage a k8s cluster means, so 100% worth it

  • @isodoubIet
    @isodoubIet День назад

    There's two types of people: those who found recursion intuitive and those that didn't read Udi Manber's algorithms book.

  • @ra-dro
    @ra-dro 2 месяца назад +1

    I guess the missing point it how much it takes to learn in-demand skill and how for how long this demand will stay.
    Once again, the best skill you might to learn is how to be lucky.

  • @Chris-LandL
    @Chris-LandL Месяц назад

    Learning about how the exception to the rule about recursion learning proves the rule about how hard the learning is was harder than learning about recursion.

  • @taylorallred6208
    @taylorallred6208 2 месяца назад +1

    K8s is not that hard and it’s really cool. I recommend every back end engineer should learn it.

  • @Weirlive
    @Weirlive 2 месяца назад +1

    Just googled Recursion... my brain quit.

  • @leojohn6702
    @leojohn6702 Месяц назад

    I need some help in advices. How can I start learning scalability in node JS?

  • @brunomello7499
    @brunomello7499 2 месяца назад +2

    "is it an ad if you are selling yourself?"
    no that's called something else

  • @baldpolnareff7224
    @baldpolnareff7224 2 месяца назад

    I started with Scheme and recursion might seem easy to grasp once you get the idea of having a base case well defined, but I think the tricky part is identifying where you need recursion in the first place. Some basic problems really scream recursion in their definition, like a factorial or Fibonacci, others are not so obvious to me. Must be a skills issue

  • @MegaPaddyC
    @MegaPaddyC 2 месяца назад

    To prove means to test. Another way of saying an exception proves a rule, is an exception tests a rule. When an exception proves/tests a rule, that means the rule should be reassessed to see if its still accurate in the face of the exception.
    For example, if the rule is everyone finds recursion hard the first time the are introduced it, and an exception comes up because someone didn't find it hard. That means the rule should be re-evaluated. If everyone should find recursion hard and one person doesn't, that means the rule is wrong (as it requires all people to find it hard). However, as nearly everyone finds recursion difficult the first time, the rule should be revised to *almost everyone finds recursion hard the first time they are introduced to it.
    Semi-related tangent. People often get the saying the proof is in the pudding wrong, it should be the proof of the pudding is in the eating. This is because the ultimate test (proof) of a pudding's quality is how it tastes when you eat it; if it looked good but tasted bad then it's bad, if it looked bad and tasted good then its good.

  • @martinseal1987
    @martinseal1987 2 месяца назад

    Are we having the git livestream today on front-end masters? Maybe I got that wrong

  • @fun_at_work
    @fun_at_work 2 месяца назад

    BTW Prime, "proof" used to be a term to describe testing. "The Exception that proves the rule" was an exception that tested the validity of the rule.
    You can still see this in militaries having "proving grounds". It's literally where they test weapons and technology.

  • @nickmurdaugh9856
    @nickmurdaugh9856 Месяц назад

    I am actually the #1 engineer at a startup, and it's fucking terrifying.

  • @nikolajolanderrasmussen9128
    @nikolajolanderrasmussen9128 2 месяца назад

    I think recursion is a lot easier to grasp if you have already learned it when you were 4 and didn't remember the struggle of learning it.

  • @FireStormOOO_
    @FireStormOOO_ 2 месяца назад +1

    Some of this pushback against complexity just seems like programmers not grasping that other departments have problems too, and in particular, IT people aren't free either. Automating remediation of some of the IT problems can be the difference between needing to hire 6 or 7 guys to staff a 24x7 NOC ASAP or being able to get by on just staffing business hours for a few more years with a little bit of on call work.
    In a traditional server setup, pushing a bug to production that makes a key service crash every few hours is an emergency, and it's going to *stay* an emergency until there's a patch. With something like k8s, that's likely going to just result in extra churn in pods until it gets patched, and the app is probably stable with just throwing some more replicas at it.

    • @wido123123
      @wido123123 2 месяца назад

      The whole `sysadmin vs developers` and `DevOps` deal is the ops guy cursing the dev guy for breaking prod at 3am.
      Devs just don't care as long the can deliver faster and close user stories

  • @okechukwuomeh2187
    @okechukwuomeh2187 8 дней назад

    Pays to be an expert in hard things. That is the key

  • @kale_bhai
    @kale_bhai 2 месяца назад +1

    I found kube to be difficult when i first started with containerization a year ago. I think i can probably pull it off now.

  • @SirMo
    @SirMo Месяц назад

    As someone who's worked with k8s for about 10 years, I still think it's an over engineered piece of software. For my personal projects I just stick with Ansible and bare docker containers to manage my servers. Most people don't need kubernetes.

  • @aaronmoroney2066
    @aaronmoroney2066 Месяц назад

    Man you’re genuinely funny

  • @ANONAAAAAAAAA
    @ANONAAAAAAAAA 2 месяца назад

    By learning, experiencing complex solutions, you can truly appreciate simpler solutions.

  • @nickmurdaugh9856
    @nickmurdaugh9856 Месяц назад

    You understanding "the exception that proves the rule" while everyone else struggled is your "understanding recursion" 😂

  • @connorskudlarek8598
    @connorskudlarek8598 2 месяца назад

    "Just give the number" has some serious "just give me the .exe" energy.

  • @colbyberger1881
    @colbyberger1881 2 месяца назад +1

    Stand up ovation due to this vid.

  • @samcalder6946
    @samcalder6946 2 месяца назад

    17:37 The hardest part of recursion is recursion.

  • @drditup
    @drditup Месяц назад

    "thats barely an appendage" got me XD

  • @smallbluemachine
    @smallbluemachine 2 месяца назад +7

    I feel like there’s been some misunderstanding amongst many companies. Google broadly developed this technology, for good reason, most companies are not Google.

    • @steindude654
      @steindude654 Месяц назад

      And Google doesn't even use it to host their own services on it 😅

  • @cabanford
    @cabanford 29 дней назад

    You're not normal. You're "Abby Normal" 😂

  • @stephenthumb2912
    @stephenthumb2912 2 месяца назад

    change, difficult complex to simply difficult problems that people don't want to do. Or even things people are scared to do and needed.

  • @Yotanido
    @Yotanido 2 месяца назад

    I do think depth-first search is great to visualise recursion, but I'm not sure about a maze. Searching in a tree (like a filesystem) seems more intuitive to me.
    Recursively look for a file in /
    Is the file in this directory? Great, we found it.
    No, then for each directory in the current directory, search in there.
    Personally, I truly never had much issue understanding recursion. It's not like it was immediately obvious, but once I realised you just apply the same operation to a subset of the problem, it just kinda made sense to me.

    • @MorbidEel
      @MorbidEel 2 месяца назад

      A filesystem and a maze are the same if your filesystem supports links

    • @Yotanido
      @Yotanido 2 месяца назад

      @@MorbidEelWell, I did specifically say searching in a tree, so let's assume it does not.

  • @user-hm9is5ke9i
    @user-hm9is5ke9i 2 месяца назад

    I learned Kubernetes and got my CKA, but I'm not a dev but in Infrastructure. Kubernetes is basically unknown in the EU sadly, so the CKA was useless for me for now.

  • @andythedishwasher1117
    @andythedishwasher1117 2 месяца назад

    3:37 Imo, if you're in a senior spot and you want to take full responsibility for the team's performance, you gotta build tools to do what those third parties are doing internally for your team. That's the only way you'll know where all the bugs came from and have handles to fix all of them. Kubernetes is stable enough to support most of the world's enterprise infrastructures. Build around that, not transient, expensive, platform-locked cloud SAAS is all I'm saying.

  • @paul1337x
    @paul1337x 2 месяца назад

    As a sysadmin i am looking forward to your in depth stuff for http and dns 🔥

  • @fennecbesixdouze1794
    @fennecbesixdouze1794 2 месяца назад

    My work environments must be very different from Prime's Netflix career, because I have never in my life encountered any engineer who attempted to "write the best version of the software first try".
    I much more often encounter people who characterize ever exerting literally any amount of cognitive effort at any point in their work as "premature optimization".
    I've encountered CTO's who only learned one lesson in their engineering career, early on: "don't over-engineer your solution", but instead of actually learning that lesson they just decided that the phrase itself is license to never learn how to engineer anything at all, and use it to never use their brain ever for even a moment.
    We aren't trying to prematurely optimize or prematurely scale or prematurely abstract. We are trying to apply the appropriate level of thought and design for the thing we are building at the moment given the known constraints and predicted risks. The appropriate amount of thought to put into design and architecture--especially interfaces--is "some thought", not "absolutely no thought at all".
    Not having a need to scale or not being sure your interfaces are stable yet doesn't mean you don't have to think anymore, it means incorporating those aspects into the set of considerations you are thinking about for your design. Prototyping is different from hardening, but they both require thought.
    A prototype "in its ideal state" will not be highly abstracted, because it's intended as a prototype. The fact that it is intended as a prototype is part of evaluating what an "ideal state" would be for the thing. You should still absolutely be seeking an "ideal state" for your prototype, given your context, by literally the definition of the meaning of the word "ideal".

  • @dylancorvid7798
    @dylancorvid7798 2 месяца назад

    "Can we be real for a second? Managing servers sucks!"
    I got instantly offended. I'm realizing I might secretly be a sys admin in a Software Developer's hoodie.

  • @suhuy2008
    @suhuy2008 2 месяца назад

    The point about difficulty is a bit misleading. Difficulty acts as a natural filter and limiter of supply. By definition there are fewer people who are capable of solving hard problems. Therefore, the supply is lower and there are chances of getting a great deal.
    However, there are many more ways to differentiate yourself from others and limit the supply: ability to clearly communicate, organize people, motivate, strategize, etc.
    Also, limiting the supply by selecting a niche field often means becoming unemployable. Let say, you are a specialist in consensus algorithms. How often do companies roll out their own impl of raft? Or let say you are an expert in database internals. Now your list of potential employers shrunk to maybe 10-20 companies in the world.

  • @zahash1045
    @zahash1045 2 месяца назад

    Highly recommend reading “the little schemer” to learn recursion

  • @KangoV
    @KangoV Месяц назад

    ArgoCD deploys to K8S for me. All I do is update a version in git for a service (via a PR, so fully approved) and it gets deployed. Very simple.

  • @IamusTheFox
    @IamusTheFox 2 месяца назад

    TMW Prime has to explain how exceptions are exceptional.

  • @JonasThente-ji5xx
    @JonasThente-ji5xx 2 месяца назад

    Didn't expect a 10 minutes rant about the expression "the exception that proves the rule"

  • @Xtr33mm
    @Xtr33mm 13 дней назад

    exceptions are so common in production now a days, so it doesnt even register as exception.

  • @asdkant
    @asdkant Месяц назад

    The exception only proves the rule if you catch it

  • @ripplecutter233
    @ripplecutter233 2 месяца назад

    Worth to learn, but not needed everywhere

  • @delisky842
    @delisky842 2 месяца назад

    I would love a networking course!

  • @Gamex996
    @Gamex996 28 дней назад

    06:00 the pill wore off

  • @ZilardCherry-qk1ci
    @ZilardCherry-qk1ci 2 месяца назад

    Hungarians also have this saying: Exception strengthens the Rule

  • @kdcapparelli
    @kdcapparelli 2 месяца назад +2

    Recursion is an if inside a loop.
    You keep doing the same thing (with the parameters) until some criteria is met.

  • @draakisback
    @draakisback 2 месяца назад

    You dont need k8s. You want scalability, dont use javascript. Any of the beam languages have all of the features of k8s built into them via the beam itself and its done in a way that is much more sane. There are other solutions as well which dont require containers.

  • @artyspangler
    @artyspangler 2 месяца назад

    The "rule" is that there is an exception to every rule.

  • @MagnumCarta
    @MagnumCarta 2 месяца назад +1

    Prime, you live in the time after Christ. Everything is an A.D.!

  • @madisac
    @madisac 2 месяца назад +2

    So, do i need to learn kubernetes or not?