Mike did a pretty good job overriding his instincts when he tore his pec off trying to do heavy dumbbell bench at the animal cage with no specific preparation lol
Yea and funny how his Response is Mike knows nothing because disagrees with Jeff. Clueless also. You’re all dumb honestly. What Mike has said is a lot of these science based guy DO ISE that term for clicks. And most don’t have nice bodies steroids or not. They’re skinny wimps. Jeff has a nice physique sure but doesn’t mean he knows everything. Mike also was a pro and may not know every single thing. But the geeks will Side with Jeff and other bodybuilders will side with Mike.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure most people are going to side with the guy who got assaulted for no reason over the troglodyte who's only redeeming quality is that he is big
@@sirhandsoap7652fact is one is a probodybuilder who had a very nice physique and the other is natural who also has a nice physique. So fags and geeks will side with Jeff and people who don’t call cops will side with Mike. Now if Mike hit him for no reason he’s wrong sure. But we don’t know the story. To knock Mike and say he doesn’t know about bodybuilding is rediculous. These science guys, most of them, do not have good physiques regardless of steroids or not. Look at Jeremy Ethier. He’s a skinny wimp. And bodybuilding is all science. It’s physics the study of movement. It’s not part scientific like these geeks claim. It’s all science. They use “ science based” for clicks. n
God dammit Mike Van Wyck giving us 80IQ bald roidcels an even worse reputation than usual 😂 great vid as usual basement! You have a really good feel for using the reaction format as an educational tool even with topical stuff like this!
Sam Shethar: takes gear to reach his human potential and documents it with useful articulation and attention to detail to help others Mike Van Wyck: tells people he’s brave and committed for taking gear, instead of telling people he actually takes it so he doesn’t have to mature mentally past the age of 8, but gets to reap the rewards of looking jacked Yet he gets all the attention… crazy
Unless you're an absolute twink, people will treat bald men with more caution even without them having tattoos or taking anything. I definitely think people approach me less now that I'm bald compared to before I was bald. This stereotype exists because of people like Mike.
Mike Van Clit has that sigma bitcoin joker male in his videos and it looks so faggy and pretentious. I prefer a soyjak who is honest about being a bit soy
"Anatomy textbooks don't apply in the real world." Anatomy textbooks are based on the real world. Your body and how it functions is part of the 'real world'. Cars move because of theory based on real world application. His camera functions on 'textbooks' that are based on sciences proven in the real world. That's the whole point of science-it helps us to understand how the real world works.
What a fragile, insecure human being. Typically the reason people are that juiced up in the first place. Hopefully legal action is taken; that behavior is unacceptable.
Totally. He also sounds and looks like a low IQ person, who got bullied so bad that he had become a big tattooed up roid head, just to avoid psychologically collapsing. He's a living example of what trauma in childhood can cause people to become. A big insecure baby with a big baby ego.
Fouad saying he will support Mike through whatever "turmoil" he is going through made me laugh. Thats not turmoil behaviour its called being a dickhead and a bully.
Fouad also claimed it was cancel culture even though there is video proof of an actual crime, you know, evidence. The thing the roidcels don't like to acknowledge...
No, that's probably not true.. People in their 40's who behave and talk this way, is pretty much the result of trauma and neglect, starting very early in life. The roids are just icing the cake of a very shitty, brittle egoed person. The fact that he will die of a heart attack before he's 50, that's another topic, but no, this guy was a total douchebag long before he steroids and other drugs we know he takes. He's a fucking pathetic soon to be dead man..looks like he's in his 60's for fucks sake.
13:37 Yep, he says a lot of words. I'm sure in another video he's also stated 'people overcomplicate things' because a curl is just bending your arm no matter which variation you use. So it's odd that he's analysed this one so much.
He always says that he shoots some people for filming in the gym for over complicating pain for talking shit, but he literally does the exact same things all the time he literally is a gym influencer, but he shits on other gym influencers
I love when people project their own complacency onto people trying to learn and teach more, while spending 6 minutes unloading a word salad into the camera about curls
if you watch his videos of him training people, he literally gives the person 2 dozen cues mid life and 3/4 are conflicting, then talks about being "confusing"
Jokes aside, just imagine the jab is a few inches off and Jeff hits his head on the j-hook of the (I'm guessing) weight rack next to him. The story we'd be talking about would be much, MUCH worse.
"If those kids could read they would be very upset" Dude probably couldn't even get through like a third of it. But anyway, everyone knows Big Mike is too much of a bitch to push someone like NH if it came to it. We all saw that one video of a guy pressuring Big Mike to a fight (after Big Mike challenged him) and Mike refused and just started yelling at him. NH isn't exactly the most threatening guy either, but he is 6'0 and like 220. Still way to much for "Big" Mike to muster enough testicular fortitude to do anything.
"If those kids could read they would be very upset" Dude probably couldn't even get through like a third of it. But anyways, we all saw that one video of a guy pressuring Big Mike to a fight (after Big Mike challenged him) and Mike refused and just started yelling at him. NH isn't exactly the most threatening guy either, but he is 6'0 and like 220. He is safe from "Big" Mikes attacks, given how cowardly he is.
Summarization of Mike's video: I am so big, so basically because I'm a big guy I have to, you know, do big guy stuff because I'm so big, you know, I'm a big guy
I've never liked Mike. I find all his training videos to be condescending and negative. He always resorts to proving people are dumb with analogies. He's total cringe IMO
Incline curls might be more unsafe and inefficient than even that. Spider curls are the better choice of the two if one wants to add more exercises in the program than he needs anyway.
He would make a 1.5 hour long video and not even get through the entire video. Dude would make it like 6 seconds in and get in a long rant about how much bulbousity is to be aquirred by eating 8 cloves of raw garlic mixed with raw honey
I hated dumbbell incline curls at first because they felt awkward. But then after I lowered the weight and trained with the smaller dumbbells to failure, I got more accustomed to the exercise and got stronger. It's a learning curve issue
He's right that the Incline Curl is only a good exercise If you're small. I remember that Guy Dorian Yates doing them in one of His Training Videos and he could sure use some additional size on him! Not sure what happened to him but I hope the Incline Curl helped him to finally become a Bodybuilder!
@@movestattoo4561 because of his size he must have had problems performing them correctly? And the resulting biceps must have prevented him from looking better than Mike van on stage?
I don't understand Jeff's approach to ranking exercises. He admits that most, if not all, of his gains came from the big compounds and staple isolation exercises. He proceeds to give terrible ratings for exercises like pull ups which are simply S-tier. Where Jeff drops the ball hard is by not considering how different body sizes and weights can affect an exercise. If you are 90+ kilos, ring push ups are simply S-tier. Same goes for pull ups. I have NEVER seen a guy with a small back who was over 90kg and could rep 10+ pull ups. Jeff pulls a sly one by saying that pull ups are awkward to load. I have never had any issues loading a 20 plate on a belt so I don't understand the logic. The only slight inconvenience is that it's better to put the plate on the bench before you secure it. I said this in a different video and I will say it again. Jeff's manlet washing has to stop. His exercise advice is detrimental to people who are over 6 foot and rep a high body weight. Body weight exercises can be insane for bigger people if done correctly. Jeff simply can't fathom that you can get massive off of the basics because he's like 155cm and weighs 65 kilos.
@@tartantulakid666 You can easily add weight to both pull ups and push ups anyway (weight belt for pull ups, kensui vest for either). The argument that bodyweight gets too easily is a strawman
@@tartantulakid666 I'm 85Kgs at 170cm tall and I can do 14 GOOD pullups. And honestly my back is probably my best body-part (even though there is noticeable fat there) in width but not that thick. I started including RDLs to build thickness in the back but I don't know if that really helps or not...
@@tartantulakid666 But that isn't true. He at least on the ranking videos put pull ups at A tier and other bodyweight exercises like deficit push ups and dips were ranked on A also. Even though for me they are S tier, I would've never said that he gave terrible ratings to bodyweight exercises, not even to compounds, have given similar ratings to the bench press and rows.
It's good to see that 'Lil Mike is putting paid to those stereotypes of body builders being neurotically aggressive meatheads, with incoherent opinions grunted out in desperate attempt to make up for damaged egos and shrivelled balls. Thanks 'Lil Mike. You're doing gawds work.
They are indeed great, have been doing them since I first tried them two years ago and still progressing in size and strength! I also program them to all my clients because of how easy you can learn to perform strict curls without compensating.
I think saying things like “the pump doesn’t matter” with 100% certainty is a bit foolish. There may not be any evidence that shows the pump causes muscle growth however I think the pump and muscle soreness can be valid indicators that the target muscle is being hit with a solid stimulus.
I feel like someone like Van Wyck has to be losing business/clients to science based lifters. That's the only explanation for how someone could that emotional (well that and PED abuse) over a differing lifting philosophy.
“None of them are world class”. Meanwhile “science guys” like Jeff Nippard and Layne Norton are literally world class Natural Bodybuilders and Powerlifters, as well as having coached numerous world class athletes in those sports.
I didn't know this a-hole existed, until I saw this video, but Jeff was the first jacked natty I saw online, helped me ignore Athlean X, and helped me find the "noble natties" via the algorithm. I appreciate your critiques, Basement, and I appreciate nuance. In other news, time to rotate incline bicep curls back in my program. Thanks to GVS for introducing me to incline curls in the first place.
If I’m not mistaken, Steve Reeves, the epitome of old school, was quoted as saying his biceps grew more from incline curls than any other biceps exercise he tried. *womp womp
I think this guy had high hopes for his career. He decided to take juice to look the part, then didn’t learn a thing about lifting. I’m sure he’s just mad and jealous that Jeff is smaller but 100x more popular. What an absolutely insane crash out
Appreciate your balanced approach to this video and for the sacrifice of suffering through that video...only reason I can justify seeing all of that is because of your overlay and commentary LOL
24:07 I know I do agree that physiologically pump does not matter. However, I find it useful for joy from working out. It is great to feel targeted muscle, of course training hard and progressive overload still matter and are more important
Hey Mikey, there is a video on RUclips that explains that Arnold's favorite curl exercise is---wait for it--THE INCLINE DUMMBELL CURL!!!!! It is so ironic that Mikey mentions Arnold in his idiotic rant about the best way to curl. Cue the sad trombone: Bwa-waa-waaa.
In his own lane Mike is a journey man at best. He’s a GMO tomato pissed at the world because an organic tomato took first place at the annual Big Malaka Competition
Incline curls are my pure willpower exercise. The angle cuts off blood flow to my arms and is like occlusion training, piled on top of an already uncomfortable exercise (pinchingin my shoulders, the stretch, pushing to failure etc). By the end of each set my hands are numb and throbbing, but it's one of the only bicep exercises that i get DOMS from. I honestly feel like bigger biceps is just a bonus, the real gains are in self control and exercising willpower through tremendous discomfort. These and ab work. What exercises test your willpower?
That's what's called "Just Riding the trend" at this point . "Oh everybody is attacking Science based lifting and Stretch/Lengthen Bias movement ... so lemme get on that too to get views" without knowing why , how , nuances , explanation , experience ... anything ! "When u're in doubt just say **CONTRACTIONS** "
Hey, this is related to the topic of the Incline Curl: You say that it just gives a stretch but that the resistance profile isn't lengthening bias; have you tried pelican cultures? Basically like an incline curl on rings, at the top of the movement you are upright (more or less) and at the bottom you are parallel to the floor, making it (more) lengthen biased in the same fashion of a T-bar row. I personally think that the skill gap and lesser stability are worth it, as the lift has other benefits that aren't just a better resistance profile.
He’s a clown. His entire being is that he’s a “big guy”. That’s his whole thing . Saying Jeff has no muscle is ridiculous. He intentionally does the lift wrong, and contradicts himself, as though he’s “too big” to use an incline bench.
"That's all very well in theory, but it won't do in practice." In this sophism you admit the premisses but deny the conclusion, in contradiction with a well-known rule of logic. The assertion is based upon an impossibility: what is right in theory must work in practice; and if it does not, there is a mistake in the theory; something has been overlooked and not allowed for; and, consequently, what is wrong in practice is wrong in theory too. - Schopenhauer
Appreciate the objective breakdown, you made good concise points, I’m gona jump on the bandwagon and say the way Mike explains movements and exercises is very convoluted, he could confuse the most seasoned bodybuilder.
My guess is the real reason he doesn’t like the incline is bc he can’t lift as much weight that way. He can’t ego lift when the starting position is the hardest of the movement; as oppose to standing where it’s easier to “sway” your way up
love the video! only comment is when you said “pump does t matter” it doesn’t mean causation of hypertrophy, but it can be a good indicator you are actually hitting your target muscle.
Mike Van Wyck's arguments are head-scratchingly silly. He'd be better served by keeping his mouth shut. The moment words come out of his mouth, he makes a fool of himself.
jeff nippard is 180lbs at 5'5 at around 15% bf. Most people struggle to be 180lbs 15%bf at even 5'10". Jeff really does have a lot of muscle for a natural.
I'm so happy i found you through this drama. My youtube fitness content is a mix of the "science based guys" and people like Alex Bromley and now you who give a little pushback. As a biochemical scientist with a bachelors in medicine i appreciate this. And i say little disagreement bc when you sit down, you agree on prob 95% on stuff. And the disagreement will come from the subjective part of training.
I'm natty now for like 6 years, Coach Greg made me quit roids, I train more consistently and I'm 10-12 kg lighter now, but I'm all good with it. These guys expecting us natty's to look better than Jeff haha that's just dumb. If Jeff was more ripped, he would look even bigger.
Mike Van Wyck represents everything in the world that I'm going to teach my young son (a 2 year old) not to do. Solving disputes with violence is never the answer. Mike's dad never taught him right values.
I’ve watched Mike’s videos in the past. I never found them valuable. He always starts his videos talking about how bodybuilding and training isn’t rocket science, then he proceeds to give the most confusing explanation of how to perform a lift ever. You said it yourself. Word salad.
Halfway in and it sounds like he's making reasons for why the lift is bad on the spot. Wouldn't suprise me if he jumped to the conclusion that the lift is bad for no reason other reason than his own bias, and we're just watching him come up with ideas to justify his belief.
"Lifting is a game of overriding your instincts"
Well said. I think Small Mike Van Wyck failed that lesson in more than one way.
Stays in his mental and physical comfort zone. But he’s super tough because he’s not afraid to inject himself with insta-results
We don't know yet how much of a little cnt nippard was being
Mike did a pretty good job overriding his instincts when he tore his pec off trying to do heavy dumbbell bench at the animal cage with no specific preparation lol
All aggression comes from insecurity. Jeff's response made Mike look like a moronic drama queen and he knows it; that's why he snapped.
Big dude, small man.
Losing your temper over a polite disagreement about science based training is wild
@@BasementBodybuildinghow did they meet in the first place
@@aahaanjeswani I believe they go to the same gym
using physical force to a verbal disagreement is very small guy energy
@@BasementBodybuilding not anymore 🤣 small brain Mike caught himself a ban
By his logic, him being smaller than other PED users means he's clueless. Funny how that works.
Right? It’s ironic
Yea and funny how his
Response is Mike knows nothing because disagrees with Jeff. Clueless also. You’re all dumb honestly. What Mike has said is a lot of these science based guy DO ISE that term for clicks. And most don’t have nice bodies steroids or not. They’re skinny wimps. Jeff has a nice physique sure but doesn’t mean he knows everything. Mike also was a pro and may not know every single thing. But the geeks will
Side with Jeff and other bodybuilders will side with Mike.
make sure not to skip your neck training for protection after this video
We’ll train neck while Jeff lawyermaxxes
@@BasementBodybuilding yes, some training for the mind too please y'all.
Mike Van Clit making all the bro scientists and brofessors side with Jeff Nippard is going to be hilarious
To be fair, I'm pretty sure most people are going to side with the guy who got assaulted for no reason over the troglodyte who's only redeeming quality is that he is big
@@sirhandsoap7652fact is one is a probodybuilder who had a very nice physique and the other is natural who also has a nice physique. So fags and geeks will side with Jeff and people who don’t call cops will side with Mike. Now if Mike hit him for no reason he’s wrong sure. But we don’t know the story. To knock Mike and say he doesn’t know about bodybuilding is rediculous. These science guys, most of them, do not have good physiques regardless of steroids or not. Look at Jeremy Ethier. He’s a skinny wimp. And bodybuilding is all science. It’s physics the study of movement. It’s not part scientific like these geeks claim. It’s all science. They use “ science based” for clicks. n
Mike Van Clit is crazy 🤣🤣🤣
God dammit Mike Van Wyck giving us 80IQ bald roidcels an even worse reputation than usual 😂 great vid as usual basement! You have a really good feel for using the reaction format as an educational tool even with topical stuff like this!
Sam Shethar: takes gear to reach his human potential and documents it with useful articulation and attention to detail to help others
Mike Van Wyck: tells people he’s brave and committed for taking gear, instead of telling people he actually takes it so he doesn’t have to mature mentally past the age of 8, but gets to reap the rewards of looking jacked
Yet he gets all the attention… crazy
as long as you dont tattoo the bald spot i think youre good
Damn I thought you were natty
Unless you're an absolute twink, people will treat bald men with more caution even without them having tattoos or taking anything. I definitely think people approach me less now that I'm bald compared to before I was bald. This stereotype exists because of people like Mike.
I’ve never heard of this guy b4 this recent drama and I wish I never had. 🤡
Can’t blame ya…
He was recently in another controversy during Arnold this year but big guy stayed real quiet there probably because other guys were his size
He's such a brainlet. I hope Jeff brings charges or whatever.
Same here.
Nippard may be a manlet of the body, but Mike is a manlet of the soul.
Nippard belongs in asia
I cant man HAHAHAHA
Mike Van Clit has that sigma bitcoin joker male in his videos and it looks so faggy and pretentious. I prefer a soyjak who is honest about being a bit soy
It’s the manlet on the inside that counts
That sh*t makes no sense lol. Y'all gotta stop using this stupid manlet term.
"Anatomy textbooks don't apply in the real world."
Anatomy textbooks are based on the real world. Your body and how it functions is part of the 'real world'. Cars move because of theory based on real world application. His camera functions on 'textbooks' that are based on sciences proven in the real world. That's the whole point of science-it helps us to understand how the real world works.
That statement was wild. Did people go to school?
That's why certain people don't become doctors
What a funny thing to say considering the steroid he's using was made and invented by using "textbooks" too. Science literally made him big.
What a fragile, insecure human being. Typically the reason people are that juiced up in the first place. Hopefully legal action is taken; that behavior is unacceptable.
Spot on, that’s how they end up on the juice.
@BasementBodybuilding Exactly. Its a mixture of body dysmorphia and inadequacies of all kinds.
Exactly
Spot on. emotionally fragile is directly linked to taking steroids. This dude is a pussy
Totally. He also sounds and looks like a low IQ person, who got bullied so bad that he had become a big tattooed up roid head, just to avoid psychologically collapsing. He's a living example of what trauma in childhood can cause people to become. A big insecure baby with a big baby ego.
Fouad saying he will support Mike through whatever "turmoil" he is going through made me laugh. Thats not turmoil behaviour its called being a dickhead and a bully.
Fouad also claimed it was cancel culture even though there is video proof of an actual crime, you know, evidence. The thing the roidcels don't like to acknowledge...
Very telling isn't it.... Fouad is trash as well...
"Turmoil" that is certainly one way to spell assault and battery.
Because of “cancel culture” such a dork.
"i dont think big is his actual first name" lmao cracked me up wasn't expecting that
lol couldn't tell if he was joking when he said that or just being autistic
If he is willing to assault Jeff on camera, imagine all the twisted stuff he most likely says and does when the cameras are off
Jeff Nippard’s neck training came in clutch. Glad he’s ok. Big Mike’s about to be in Big Trouble. 👮♂️ 🚨 🤭
Alex Leonidas' Neck Training Warranty
Completely incoherent, the steroids have melted his brain.
This was also my first thought
Yup. Word salad maxxing
That's an unfair bash on steroids. We don't know his state before.
No, that's probably not true.. People in their 40's who behave and talk this way, is pretty much the result of trauma and neglect, starting very early in life. The roids are just icing the cake of a very shitty, brittle egoed person. The fact that he will die of a heart attack before he's 50, that's another topic, but no, this guy was a total douchebag long before he steroids and other drugs we know he takes. He's a fucking pathetic soon to be dead man..looks like he's in his 60's for fucks sake.
@@ddg334 But we know Steroids rot your brain though, so it's not whether you are a tit on roids, it's just how much of a tit you are.
13:37 Yep, he says a lot of words.
I'm sure in another video he's also stated 'people overcomplicate things' because a curl is just bending your arm no matter which variation you use. So it's odd that he's analysed this one so much.
He always says that he shoots some people for filming in the gym for over complicating pain for talking shit, but he literally does the exact same things all the time he literally is a gym influencer, but he shits on other gym influencers
I love when people project their own complacency onto people trying to learn and teach more, while spending 6 minutes unloading a word salad into the camera about curls
if you watch his videos of him training people, he literally gives the person 2 dozen cues mid life and 3/4 are conflicting, then talks about being "confusing"
Jokes aside, just imagine the jab is a few inches off and Jeff hits his head on the j-hook of the (I'm guessing) weight rack next to him. The story we'd be talking about would be much, MUCH worse.
Exactly! Those hooks have narrow, sharp points. Apparently this douche shoved the 19 year old camera man into a cable machine.
If he couldn’t handle a minute of Jeff I can’t imagine what big Mike was feeling after natural hypertrophy dropped 2 hours on him
The things is that he already did. He just unlocked the secret 3 hour level
"If those kids could read they would be very upset"
Dude probably couldn't even get through like a third of it.
But anyway, everyone knows Big Mike is too much of a bitch to push someone like NH if it came to it.
We all saw that one video of a guy pressuring Big Mike to a fight (after Big Mike challenged him) and Mike refused and just started yelling at him.
NH isn't exactly the most threatening guy either, but he is 6'0 and like 220. Still way to much for "Big" Mike to muster enough testicular fortitude to do anything.
"If those kids could read they would be very upset"
Dude probably couldn't even get through like a third of it.
But anyways, we all saw that one video of a guy pressuring Big Mike to a fight (after Big Mike challenged him) and Mike refused and just started yelling at him.
NH isn't exactly the most threatening guy either, but he is 6'0 and like 220. He is safe from "Big" Mikes attacks, given how cowardly he is.
Summarization of Mike's video: I am so big, so basically because I'm a big guy I have to, you know, do big guy stuff because I'm so big, you know, I'm a big guy
He trains his forearm by choking people.
It’s so annoying when you disagree with someone about science based training so you have to commit battery 🙄
I've never liked Mike. I find all his training videos to be condescending and negative. He always resorts to proving people are dumb with analogies. He's total cringe IMO
Incline curls might be more unsafe and inefficient than even that. Spider curls are the better choice of the two if one wants to add more exercises in the program than he needs anyway.
BREAKING news Basement Bodybuilding BEAT UP by Jason Blaha IN THE GYM!
I wish.
Bullshit. Blaha doesn’t beat people, he makes people disappear. You got a higher chance of surviving a great white shark attack.
It was more of a throat strike than a shove
You’re right, it was
100%
Our glorious science based king is the least problematic guy in this community, really says a lot about smallMikes character
Yup how can you even dislike Jeff as a person?
Just waiting on Eric Bugenhagen's feature length film analyzing the 10 second video of the throat punch now
He would make a 1.5 hour long video and not even get through the entire video.
Dude would make it like 6 seconds in and get in a long rant about how much bulbousity is to be aquirred by eating 8 cloves of raw garlic mixed with raw honey
with his dogs snoring in the background
I hated dumbbell incline curls at first because they felt awkward. But then after I lowered the weight and trained with the smaller dumbbells to failure, I got more accustomed to the exercise and got stronger. It's a learning curve issue
😡👊🏻
“Strong start” 😂 oh boy
I quickly realized what I was getting myself into lmao
He's right that the Incline Curl is only a good exercise If you're small. I remember that Guy Dorian Yates doing them in one of His Training Videos and he could sure use some additional size on him! Not sure what happened to him but I hope the Incline Curl helped him to finally become a Bodybuilder!
And let's not forget arnold, who also loved incline curls
@@JohnRambo-t6i but didn’t you know that Arnold had super weak arms because of incline curls?
@@movestattoo4561 because of his size he must have had problems performing them correctly?
And the resulting biceps must have prevented him from looking better than Mike van on stage?
"He's beating around a bush and doesn't realize that a bush is there" I am DEAD
Just hit 60x6 on incline curls last Friday, devastating to hear that did nothing for my biceps 🥲
That’s why your biceps won’t grow! Enjoy your 12” arms bro…
60??
Yeah I've stopped watching Jeff's tier lists, because I rather watch your reaction and get double info in a shorter time lol
I wouldn’t say a shorter time, but glad you’re enjoying them 😂
I don't understand Jeff's approach to ranking exercises. He admits that most, if not all, of his gains came from the big compounds and staple isolation exercises. He proceeds to give terrible ratings for exercises like pull ups which are simply S-tier. Where Jeff drops the ball hard is by not considering how different body sizes and weights can affect an exercise. If you are 90+ kilos, ring push ups are simply S-tier. Same goes for pull ups. I have NEVER seen a guy with a small back who was over 90kg and could rep 10+ pull ups. Jeff pulls a sly one by saying that pull ups are awkward to load. I have never had any issues loading a 20 plate on a belt so I don't understand the logic. The only slight inconvenience is that it's better to put the plate on the bench before you secure it.
I said this in a different video and I will say it again. Jeff's manlet washing has to stop. His exercise advice is detrimental to people who are over 6 foot and rep a high body weight. Body weight exercises can be insane for bigger people if done correctly. Jeff simply can't fathom that you can get massive off of the basics because he's like 155cm and weighs 65 kilos.
@@tartantulakid666 You can easily add weight to both pull ups and push ups anyway (weight belt for pull ups, kensui vest for either). The argument that bodyweight gets too easily is a strawman
@@tartantulakid666 I'm 85Kgs at 170cm tall and I can do 14 GOOD pullups. And honestly my back is probably my best body-part (even though there is noticeable fat there) in width but not that thick. I started including RDLs to build thickness in the back but I don't know if that really helps or not...
@@tartantulakid666 But that isn't true. He at least on the ranking videos put pull ups at A tier and other bodyweight exercises like deficit push ups and dips were ranked on A also. Even though for me they are S tier, I would've never said that he gave terrible ratings to bodyweight exercises, not even to compounds, have given similar ratings to the bench press and rows.
Add to the fact that he literally punched someone in the face unprovoked
He was provoked, Jeff Nippard answered a question Mike asked him!!!
@@BasementBodybuilding another reason not to take steroids
he would argue it was provoked. but like only a child would hit someone over verbal disagreement
It's good to see that 'Lil Mike is putting paid to those stereotypes of body builders being neurotically aggressive meatheads, with incoherent opinions grunted out in desperate attempt to make up for damaged egos and shrivelled balls. Thanks 'Lil Mike. You're doing gawds work.
BB: "That's a complete strawman"
Mike Van Bych: "Ur saying I'm small bruh?"
“Don’t ever talk about me again”
@@markl4730 things are about to get real funny.
Incline dumbbell curls have literally made my biceps bigger.
Same here, incline curls is the only one that gives me that insane bicep pump
They are indeed great, have been doing them since I first tried them two years ago and still progressing in size and strength! I also program them to all my clients because of how easy you can learn to perform strict curls without compensating.
Any curl would do that that’s not an argument
Roidcels just can’t stop taking the L
Mike Van Dick is a bodybuilder? What did he achieved despite being on gear? Honest question
A felony?
Took a big L at a new York Pro then quit pretty much as far as I remember
@@Jonny-rv1ty thank you. I didn't know. Doesn't suprise me that a bb with worst attitude is completely useless.
@@Stefano-o5f he got his pro card, that’s about it.
I think saying things like “the pump doesn’t matter” with 100% certainty is a bit foolish. There may not be any evidence that shows the pump causes muscle growth however I think the pump and muscle soreness can be valid indicators that the target muscle is being hit with a solid stimulus.
1:31 he is a little boy in mentality with a big body
I feel like someone like Van Wyck has to be losing business/clients to science based lifters. That's the only explanation for how someone could that emotional (well that and PED abuse) over a differing lifting philosophy.
Listening to this dude talk about the incline dumbell curl is so painful 😂 stay in school kids
“None of them are world class”. Meanwhile “science guys” like Jeff Nippard and Layne Norton are literally world class Natural Bodybuilders and Powerlifters, as well as having coached numerous world class athletes in those sports.
From fighting over lengthened partials
To fighting a lengthy prison sentence
Life is crazy like that...
Was he was the one who justified PED use with: "When I die my coffin will be bigger"?
I don't think he's smart enough to have a debate.
"That's a skeleton thing" lol.
Great.
It’s pretty straightforward 😂
Mike van Weak
Mangina Van Wyck
Bro is actually breaking the plateu in views and engagement lately😂😂.
I just checked the views holy shit lol
I didn't know this a-hole existed, until I saw this video, but Jeff was the first jacked natty I saw online, helped me ignore Athlean X, and helped me find the "noble natties" via the algorithm. I appreciate your critiques, Basement, and I appreciate nuance. In other news, time to rotate incline bicep curls back in my program. Thanks to GVS for introducing me to incline curls in the first place.
If I’m not mistaken, Steve Reeves, the epitome of old school, was quoted as saying his biceps grew more from incline curls than any other biceps exercise he tried.
*womp womp
But did he end up in a coffin as big as mike will???
@@T0BI lol, he cuts easy too with his soft skin.
I think this guy had high hopes for his career. He decided to take juice to look the part, then didn’t learn a thing about lifting.
I’m sure he’s just mad and jealous that Jeff is smaller but 100x more popular.
What an absolutely insane crash out
What a way for Mike to power-bottom his way up the ranks of fitness influencers.
Hopefully he power bottoms in jail lmao
Mike's argument boils down to:
Don't listen to Doctors, they get sick aswel.
I want natural hypertrophy video on this situation
Appreciate your balanced approach to this video and for the sacrifice of suffering through that video...only reason I can justify seeing all of that is because of your overlay and commentary LOL
Would love to see Big Mike try to push Natural Hypertrophy for his video…..good luck.
24:07 I know I do agree that physiologically pump does not matter. However, I find it useful for joy from working out. It is great to feel targeted muscle, of course training hard and progressive overload still matter and are more important
This is the perfect way to respond to the incident.
Is sitting behind bars hypertrophic? 🤔
Kind of, but machines are more stable 😉
Hey Mikey, there is a video on RUclips that explains that Arnold's favorite curl exercise is---wait for it--THE INCLINE DUMMBELL CURL!!!!! It is so ironic that Mikey mentions Arnold in his idiotic rant about the best way to curl. Cue the sad trombone: Bwa-waa-waaa.
Noble Natties assembling to protect their Golden Tier List Reaction Goose from "big" Mike 😂
The guy is like 300 pounds...
@@leonardocaicedo1273 he’s the bigger man, but not exactly the bigger man…
Only we can milk him for views lmao
Maybe jeff neck training has saved him
Great humour on this one
Thanks brah
Funny how these "big" guys want to fight a smaller man but when a man of the same size or bigger confronts them then they want to talk. What a coward.
In his own lane Mike is a journey man at best. He’s a GMO tomato pissed at the world because an organic tomato took first place at the annual Big Malaka Competition
Incline curls are my pure willpower exercise. The angle cuts off blood flow to my arms and is like occlusion training, piled on top of an already uncomfortable exercise (pinchingin my shoulders, the stretch, pushing to failure etc). By the end of each set my hands are numb and throbbing, but it's one of the only bicep exercises that i get DOMS from. I honestly feel like bigger biceps is just a bonus, the real gains are in self control and exercising willpower through tremendous discomfort. These and ab work. What exercises test your willpower?
I absolutely love how much shade there is in this video.
5:20 “if I can’t cheat I can’t isolate the biceps”
That's what's called "Just Riding the trend" at this point .
"Oh everybody is attacking Science based lifting and Stretch/Lengthen Bias movement ... so lemme get on that too to get views"
without knowing why , how , nuances , explanation , experience ... anything !
"When u're in doubt just say **CONTRACTIONS** "
"I hate the stabilized version of an exercise because I can't do cheat reps the way I want." -Diary of a Throat Goat
Mike is the master of saying a bunch of words that combined don't mean anything, like you said word salad
Hey, this is related to the topic of the Incline Curl:
You say that it just gives a stretch but that the resistance profile isn't lengthening bias; have you tried pelican cultures? Basically like an incline curl on rings, at the top of the movement you are upright (more or less) and at the bottom you are parallel to the floor, making it (more) lengthen biased in the same fashion of a T-bar row. I personally think that the skill gap and lesser stability are worth it, as the lift has other benefits that aren't just a better resistance profile.
He’s a clown. His entire being is that he’s a “big guy”. That’s his whole thing . Saying Jeff has no muscle is ridiculous. He intentionally does the lift wrong, and contradicts himself, as though he’s “too big” to use an incline bench.
Thought it was funny how he tried to claim tightening your back gives more stability than actual back support.
"That's all very well in theory, but it won't do in practice." In this sophism you admit the premisses but deny the conclusion, in contradiction with a well-known rule of logic. The assertion is based upon an impossibility: what is right in theory must work in practice; and if it does not, there is a mistake in the theory; something has been overlooked and not allowed for; and, consequently, what is wrong in practice is wrong in theory too. - Schopenhauer
Appreciate the objective breakdown, you made good concise points, I’m gona jump on the bandwagon and say the way Mike explains movements and exercises is very convoluted, he could confuse the most seasoned bodybuilder.
My guess is the real reason he doesn’t like the incline is bc he can’t lift as much weight that way. He can’t ego lift when the starting position is the hardest of the movement; as oppose to standing where it’s easier to “sway” your way up
love the video! only comment is when you said “pump does t matter” it doesn’t mean causation of hypertrophy, but it can be a good indicator you are actually hitting your target muscle.
A good indicator of growth is growth.
Imagine if he tried that shit with Dr.Mike.
he wouldn't that is the point of Small Mike
Your podcast appearance on Jonathan Warren's channel was really good by the way.
Mike Van Wyck's arguments are head-scratchingly silly. He'd be better served by keeping his mouth shut. The moment words come out of his mouth, he makes a fool of himself.
jeff nippard is 180lbs at 5'5 at around 15% bf. Most people struggle to be 180lbs 15%bf at even 5'10". Jeff really does have a lot of muscle for a natural.
I'm so happy i found you through this drama. My youtube fitness content is a mix of the "science based guys" and people like Alex Bromley and now you who give a little pushback. As a biochemical scientist with a bachelors in medicine i appreciate this.
And i say little disagreement bc when you sit down, you agree on prob 95% on stuff. And the disagreement will come from the subjective part of training.
For what he is, Big Mike isn't really that big.
I'm natty now for like 6 years, Coach Greg made me quit roids, I train more consistently and I'm 10-12 kg lighter now, but I'm all good with it. These guys expecting us natty's to look better than Jeff haha that's just dumb. If Jeff was more ripped, he would look even bigger.
Clearly he understands the push chain a lot better. lol
Ha ha ha
Mike Van Wyck represents everything in the world that I'm going to teach my young son (a 2 year old) not to do. Solving disputes with violence is never the answer. Mike's dad never taught him right values.
I’ve watched Mike’s videos in the past. I never found them valuable. He always starts his videos talking about how bodybuilding and training isn’t rocket science, then he proceeds to give the most confusing explanation of how to perform a lift ever. You said it yourself. Word salad.
Halfway in and it sounds like he's making reasons for why the lift is bad on the spot. Wouldn't suprise me if he jumped to the conclusion that the lift is bad for no reason other reason than his own bias, and we're just watching him come up with ideas to justify his belief.
I'm going to order another barbell hoodie so I can send it to you because after he watches this he going on a throat chop crusade 😂
Incline Curls were Steve Reeves' primary bicep movement. Mike would've hated him, too, since he was good looking and actually had hair.
I don't hate stupid people.
I hate stupid people who act arrogant because they think they're smarter than everybody.
His old training videos were better, no bs rants or problematic behavior. His older videos honestly did help me connect on the intended muscle.
Which professional bodybuilders do you train? Are you a personal trainer?
I can see that Van Wyck is a hurt person. Something in him just emits very bad, negative energy. He needs to get professional help.
stay in your basement. u might be his next victim.
Are you still going to react to Nippards bicep tier list?
Great video idea and criticism overall
i like your facial hair btw. looks good.
also that guy is such a clown, good choice to break down his training lol
The THUMBNAIL😂
He didnt even optimally push jeff