One of my favorite parts in the book was how Paul cried after killing him and for the Fremen it was almost mistical, that he would “give his water” for an enemy
@@samiouldzeine8076 Do we know how long the director's cut could be, I'd happily watch a 4 hour version of this adaptation, it may well be in that version, who knows.
@@TheMikethoth Don't get mmy hopes up i doubt any actor can put to the screen the raw emotion of that scene . I could almost hear the fremen whispering while i read it. The directors cut will be 3 hours long apparently tho
I think it's the Atreides salute, when the Harkonnen forces are going into Arakeen, the soldiers do the second half of the salute before that form up. Such a simple yet commanding salute too.
This is sadder when you remember that Paul already saw many moments in the future where he and Jamis were close friends.. So in a way Paul actually killed a dear friend
Agreed. Denis Villeneuve films are respectable because they are relatively void of unnecessary dialogue. Several movies in the last 20 years or so which are considered “mediocre” or “bad” would have been better if the head honchos cut out unnecessary dialogue.
I love Stilgar's subtly amazed reaction when Jessica tells him Paul has never killed before -- it's mind-blowing for Stilgar that Paul, with zero experience in true battle, can best a seasoned Fremen warrior. This is the moment Stilgar begins to believe that the prophecies regarding Paul could be true.
@@genuinejustin6269 The fact he is so young and not proven but is so skilled is why, and Jamis himself even realizes it which is why he yells in frustration when Paul has him and says “do you yield”. Jamis realized his mistake and wanted to live but tradition prevented him from doing anything even as Paul does all he can to not kill the man then gives him a quick mostly painless death.
@@offworlder1 Yea it was such an amazing scene. I've watched it countless times 😆. I haven't been excited for a movie like I am for part 2 in a looooong time.
It's so fricking awesome how many little details you can catch or not catch in this film. Definitely a film to be analyzed at film schools for the ages.
I love the screams Jamis does towards the end. You can just feel his frustration and bitterness. He knows he's been beaten and that he's probably going to die but he's committed to the fight until the end.
I think after paul beats and spares him he knows he must die and make paul kill him/suicide at that point. If he killed paul after being spared it would be to shameful for a Fremen after demanding a fight to the death.
He’s an ass and u “love” his yowling ?! What a useless comment on a terribly misdirected “interpretation” of DUNE. Waste. All that $$$ for a bunch of skill-less terrible actors - brooding nihilism is not an acting choice nor is it anything that DUNE was about
@@ChrisC-qh4io Except Hollywood once again screwed up the killing blow. People stabbed in the back do not suddenly drop dead and bleed out. To kill that fast with that effect, Paul needed to sever Jamis aorta or completely slice through his liver. To do this he would have had to look Jamis in the face when he killed him. Would have been a better and more realistic ending to this fight.
When Paul says “My father came for the strength of your people”. Stilgar closes his eyes in acceptance, is honoured, and sad for the man who knew the Fremens worth and appreciated who they were......Leto. And without words Javier Bardem shows us great acting.
@@DSVIIThat's the mark of a great actor imo. Not a good actor, But a *great* actor. I'll give you another example: In Saving Private Ryan, guess who played as Caparzo. Vin. Fracking. Diesel. I never knew that untill maybe a year and a half ago.
Only one thing missing here was a moment in the book when Jessica asks him after duel “how does it feel to be a murderer?”, so he wouldn’t take pride in what he did, to teach him humility, to balance out his sudden rise in status. And it worked
I'm pretty sure he felt humility when he cried to Jamis' death or in the movie's case, grabbed his name and embraced him to his death, that's what made Paul Honorable to himself and everyone around him.
@@editaudioaesthetic yeah but he was going to get continuously get praise and pride in other scenes of achievements for the Fremen. As seen with Dune Part 2 trailer!
@@critiqueofthegothgfYeah, they probably do have media literacy seeing how that quote was in the book that this film was based off of. Try disagreeing without being an ass.
I think it's very interesting to add how good of a fighter Paul was, you can see it in Jamis's eyes a few moments into the fight. Paul was trained by the two best fighters and military minds in the empire at the time.
It's not really shown in any of the films (though there is a deleted scene in the 2020 adaptation that alludes to it) but he was also trained in the Bene Gesserit fighting style by his mother which allowed him to move and strike at unimaginable speeds.
Jamis wasn't expecting it, as he saw them as "soft offworlders". But it's also worth remembering that as a Fremen, Jamis himself was a very, very skilled fighter - he'd have been good enough to go toe-to-toe with Sardaukar and probably win. But as you say, Paul has had some of the best combat training in the imperium. There are only a handful of others in the book (Count Fenring, Feyd Rautha, and some of the Bene Gesserit) who are even close to his equal before he begins to really work with his prescient abilities.
In the novel, Paul's only initial weakness was the focus on shield fighting he had been put through. Combined with the aforementioned training of the Bene Gesserit, his defense was almost too fast to perceive. His offense was deliberately slow as to penetrate the shield. Once he overcame that, he took out Jamis quickly as he shifted his offense speed to match his defense speed.
@@DrOneOneOne what about what paul saw a vision of is death and jamis was the one holding is hand while he was diying probably from tthe same attack that paul killed him
@@Azurefanger IIRC, Paul's "prescient" abilities show him various possible futures, including his own death, "unless" he takes control of his own destiny.
People say that Paul gave Jamis 3 chances to stand down in this scene, but if you look closely, Paul actually gets his knife into several more positions that could could Jamis other than at the throat. He was a superior fighter here, and he was giving Jamis every single possible chance he had to bow out of it. Which I think makes the death itself so much worse. Paul never wanted the fight, and he saw what kind of a friend Jamis could have been if they hadn’t been locked into the duel. So the death itself wasn’t just of a stranger, it was the killing of a man who would have been his close advisor and brother in a different future.
In the book Jamis was a bit of a loudmouth dick. He wasn’t a huge loss to the tribe and I get the feeling he was on the verge of being a liability at times.
This director should really be proud of himself. Not only did he make an amazing movie but he basically did something that for 60 years up until this point everyone said COULD NOT BE DONE. And that’s a whole different type of accomplishment.
I watched the movie with my wife and 15 year old son, neither of whom knew the plot at all, and both were totally mesmerized. I agree, amazing accomplishment by Villeneuve.
@@PeterCacioppi Still, entirely leaving out the political context of the "Water empire model" and the tensions between the Landsraad leaves an interesting action yarn, and little else.
@@JGunit Yep. The discussion by Thufir on the instability of the tripod power sharing between the Emperor, the Landsraad and the Spacing guild, and how Spice was the new "Water" of the ancient model. Only in the book of course.
its not that good dude, just like in this scene cutting Paul's tears at the taking of a life , it simply diminishes the charactors and the story for no good reason, its how the legend of Paul being the Mahdi was cemented within the Fremen
@@StonerGatefrom what I’ve read of the book (Im only up to this scene so correct me if I’m wrong) crysknifes basically disintegrate when their owner dies so he’s basically saying I’m gonna f*cking kill you
at this point paul has had a bunch of visions where jamis becomes his friend and shows him the ways of the desert. he entered the fight 'knowing' that they were destined to become buds. but it was only a possible future
Another little detail i think they left out of the movie is because paul is use to dueling with shields he slows down right before hes to make any killing blow. This is because the slow blade penetrates the shield. This is the reason the fremen onlookers think that paul is toying with his opponent and it really does frustrate them to see the perceived disrespect. Its probably best that they did leave it out because it would have been kind of an awkward anecdote to try and fit in the scene and lady jessicas explanation makes enough sense by itself but if you are curious about little things you are missing from the book i thought id mention it :)
I think they actually did show it in this fight, with Paul holding the blade for a killing cut but never making it. I completely believe that he’s hesitant because he’s never killed, but I think it’s also what you said: that he’s used to shields.
It’s in the movie but it’s very subtle. You see Paul slowly moving his knife to Jannis’ chest twice during the fight. It’s more noticeable in the IMAX version due to the expanded aspect ratio
It's the sign of a good adaptation that they keep as much as they can but acknowledge the pros AND the cons of the different medium. As you say, somethings just won't translate well to a film, whereas a book can spent a whole page describing a split second action.
I love the nuance in this scene. Before this fight, most of these Fremen are on the fence about him being "the one". After he kills Jamis, then shows compassion and sorrow at his loss, those doubts are gone. No one says it, you just see it in the way the rest of the Fremen look at him with reverence and those close reach out to touch him. When Paul silences his mother about needing to get him offworld, just as Stilgar is about to respond, it seals the deal. You can see it in all their eyes. Masterful writing, directing, and acting from everyone. Notice the framing when Paul silences his mother too; he's standing with the Fremen, and it's the first time we see him make a call totally by himself and against his mom. The message is clear, Paul has been forced to grow up fast. From (sort of) pampered rich kid to killer and budding messiah
@@jameswoodland5639 It's a very cool character arc. It turns tragic later, and I don't understand the Fremen's later disdain for him but that is mostly true to how people and religions work. All he wanted to do was minimize bloodshed, he knew it couldn't be averted but what a terrible burden. I blame the BG for the whole thing they really did deserve the moniker "witches"
If only Paul would have abandoned his 'messiah' mission and they had gotten offworld, a civil war would have broken out in the Imperium and fewer people may have died than died in Paul's jihad. And he still might have ended up as Emperor :P
In another vision Paul has, Jamis is a friend who shows him the ways of the desert. A slight tweak of circumstance brought this fight about. Denis Villeneuve is adding that variable aspect of Paul's visions to the film, while compressing scenes for time. Paul should have shed tears. Giving "water to the Dead" would cement the mercy he tried to show to Jamis.
In a way, Jamis HAS shown him the ways of the desert. It could be Paul just misinterpreted his own vision. Jamis is showing him that the ways of yielding, and fighting for sport, and mercy, are all behind Paul now. He must adopt the ways of the desert and fight to the death. He must accept the customs of the Fremen to be truly accepted. He must abandon his identity as Paul Atreides and become the Muad'Dib.
They're going to have the funeral, where he inherits Jamis' water rings, all his possessions, and gives water to the dead, at the opening of Part 2. He didn't cry in the immediate aftermath of the duel in the book either.
I love how Villeneuve goes against cliché and makes the fight not only brutal but FAST. It's realistic feeling because that's often how one on one combat is - dangerous and quickly OVER. The odds were never in Jamis's favor despite his reputation and the lack of lethal experience in Paul.
1:54 I like how Paul changes his knife hold from poke to stab and how he no longer has excessive unwanted movements, it's like they say if you are here to kill then make it quick. He is ready to make his first kill.
Paul had to make the adjustment from shield fighting in which he had been trained all his life. The slow blade penetrates the shield. He had to unlearn that lesson in the heat of battle before it killed him. He also had never killed, only trained in non fatal fighting exercises so it was natural for him to expect his opponent to yield which was never the Fremen way.
@@edfrawley4356 The move that Paul uses to finally kill Jamis was the same move that Gurney used to tag Paul in the shield practice scene. Right around 17:45 into the movie.
I think it's more so a reference to bullfighting, and knowing that he had antagonised his enemy into charging him. Evade and strike at the same time, that grip change allowed for that technique easier than if he was holding it in a hammer or handshake grip. Realistically, a reverse grip offers more power when striking downwards, but severely limits reach and flexibility, it is a terrible grip for knife fighting with larger blades.
@@TimLewallen Good catch. I hadn't noticed that it was the move Gurney used, but you're right! It's also a nasty, nasty way to take someone out. It (strike to the Vena Cava) was taught to soldiers/marines in WWII for "sentry removal" because it causes pain so intense the victim can't even call for help, followed by exsanguination/suffocation via paralysis, whichever come first. Paul made a point here, don't mess with him
Lady Jessica quickly tempered any feelings of triumph Paul felt by coldly saying "How does it feel to be a *killer* ?" She wanted Paul to feel it as none other than Vlad Harkonnen was her father and Paul's grandfather. He could have easily gone down that path so she made sure Paul received a hard lesson on any gloating over taking another man's life.
Thank you my son that you fought for me and did something that you actually didn´t really wanted to do. And what would happen if he had sad that it feels good ? At this point he isn´t a killer but someone that was forced to take a mans life. You can´t descirbe yourself as a killer if you are fighting for your life.
@@Nunavuter1 No, they raise dangerous would-be tyrants with superhuman powers. Because why not? It's not like they wouldn't be able to totally control someone who can see the future, right? The entire BG sisterhood and their grand breeding program is the height of hubris, and Frank Herbert made this point deliberately
In the book is a bit different, although not better. Just different. First Jessica approaches Paul right after the kill and humbles him so he doesn't get to enjoy killing; then Stilgar comes in kinda pissed because he's assuming Paul was toying with Jamis and thus enjoyed killing. That's when Jessica tells him the truth and Stilgar realizes Paul was simply reluctant to kill: he immediately understands and changes attitude from pissed to relieved, he says something like: "I thought I'd accepted a scorpion into our community". I'm still reading, but Stilgar really comes across as a very competent, humane leader. Hard not to love him.
You can see the moment at 1:35 where Jamis understands that the battle was over before it began. That he's alive only because Paul didn't wish to kill him, likewise he no doubt realized that Paul also spared him and ALL of the others he passed on his climb. Credit within Credit to the actor, he sold the moment with such passion. I hope they bring the actor back for the visions in the future installments.
@@antred11 Being beaten vs never having been an honest factor in the first place are of differing points in a battle. My timestamp having been of the latter.
@@Deepingmind no, it happens at 00:54 for sure. That look of ‘oh crap what did I get myself into’ is profound here. The fight choreography in the first few movements is a story in of itself. Paul brushed aside every attack Janis made, with ease. Janis knew at 00:54-0:55 just look in his eyes. Well choreographed fight scenes are often an entire plot ‘dialogue tree’ by them self. Watch the movements better.
Jessica saw the girl-child Chani helping Paul, saw her press a crysknife handle into his palm, saw him heft it, testing the weight and balance. And it came to Jessica that Paul had been trained in the prana and bindu, the nerve and the fiber - that he had been taught fighting in a deadly school, his teachers men like Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck, men who were legends in their own lifetimes. The boy knew the devious ways of the Bene Gesserit and he looked supple and confident. "But he's only fifteen," she thought. "And he has no shield. I must stop this. Somehow, there must be a way"
There were many things that were changed or left out that I didn't care for. But this moment that Paul takes Jamis' hand as Jamis dies, as a sign of respect and camaraderie just blew me away. Awesome.Oh, and they did a fantastic job casting Stilgar.
It wasn't really camaraderie, just a mutual understanding. Paul saw in his vision that Jamis would have done the same thing for him. Jamis was Fremen through and through. When he killed men, he took on their responsibilities and burdens. Now Paul was going to take on his and Jamis understood that. Even trusted him to at the end.
@@Maniac742 "When he killed men, he took on their responsibilities and burdens. Now Paul was going to take on his and Jamis understood that." you mean like how Chronicles of Riddick had the whole "You are what you kill" thing? Is he now responsible to fill the role that Jamis had while alive?
2:02 It goes by in a blur, but for those who missed it ... chani had tipped off paul before the duel to beware of jamis doing a knife switch. As soon as jamis did it, it looks like paul slipped by in a blur and scored a fatal reverse stab to jamis's right kidney.
Paul also saw that knife switch in a vision before the fight, he saw himself getting killed by that move. When he decides to kill Jamis he switches to reverse grip because he knows exactly what's coming and how to counter it.
@@bluemassgamer17 Yep. Kidney, possibly the lower lobe of the liver and/or the right lung, depending on the upward angle. Most vascularly dense areas. Almost instantly fatal due to shock and a catastrophic drop in BP from massive internal bleeding.
Thanks for the comment. I'm watching the movie on Netflix currently and I replayed the scene multiple times to see why jamis even died. I couldn't figure it out so I came here. You can't even see a wound or something on jamis back. I don't understand why filmmakers decide to just don't care about these details.
@@finnbrixius6803 Paul's ability to move with blinding speed was the result of his Bene Gesserit training ... but you can still the move I described at 2:02 at 0.25x speed.
There are a lot of comments here that amount to this question: "Why isn't the screenplay EXACTLY like the book?" Frank Herbert's novel includes a series of stream-of-consciousness reactions of numerous characters - the reader is told what individuals are thinking as they participate in key scenes. This is a huge hurdle in writing a screenplay where dialogue, not thoughts, must be delivered in video. Imagine going to a movie theater, the lights go down, and someone comes on stage and reads Dune to you in the dark. That's the screenplay writer's unenviable starting point. Consequently it is inevitable that certain plot points are dropped or receive more emphasis. The screenplay used by David Lynch had ethereal voiceovers whispering lines like "Could he be the One?", a confusing proxy for a character's thought if the viewer had never read the book. We also need to give Part II a chance to complete Denis Villeneuve's vision.
exactly, i havent read the books but i heard theres a part in this fight where paul struggles with fighting since he always slows his blade to penetrate shields since thats all he knows. other than him shouting "oh no i keep slowing down my attacks because im used to shields! whatever will i do" there is no conceivable way for a screenwriter to get this across in a movie since inner monologue is hard to "show". unfortunately this sort of complaints will plague this movie and sequels but ultimately the director did a fantastic job and will be recognised
Lol even without part 2, this movie alone is an ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE of a cinematic adaptation of a movie! This movie alone BRILLIANTLY and MASTERFULLY adapted the story of Dune on screen! It was beautiful phenomenal how this story was told on screen and everything about this movie is beyond perfect on how phenomenal it all was! A complete masterpiece of a film!
Yep, and Denis makes it clear when he talks about the movie -- his intention was not to put Frank Herbert's book on the screen. It was always going to be HIS version of that story, modified and adapted to fit the constraints of the film medium. Why's it not like the book in X way? Because Denis is an artist as well and this is his adaptation of Dune, with all that implies.
@@BigMikeMcBastard And be made a MASTERPIECE of a movie with his vision as he know how to adapt the story perfectly for the big screen while staying true to the themes and message of the original novel! Can’t wait for part 2!
What I love about this scene is that the final battle of a movie is usually the villain dominating the hero, but the hero then rises after a little motivation and beats the villain. However here, Paul is completely dominating over Jamis throughout the whole fight.
Instead of focusing on overcoming adversity as in most story third acts, Dune instead wrestles with the consequences and ethics of increasing unfathomable power. That’s why it stand apart as a great series.
1:54 love the detail of Paul already switching to an icepick grip because he now knows he has to kill Jamis - and knows how he's going to do it too, with a backwards stab to the spine. Brilliant choreography.
Goddamn, challenging the new guy for some easy clout then immediately getting thoroughly outclassed is the most embarrassing way to die. Jamis had a surprised Pikachu moment.
The tragic bit is that Jamis was partially correct - Paul is not really the Lisan al-Gaib (nor does such a figure have any real merit), since that whole bit was nothing more than the BG doing their religious implantation generations before. He is the Kwisatz Haderach (which iirc kinda translates similarly to LaG), but him rising to become the religious leader of the Fremen is very much just him and his mother cheesing a system that was already there.
I can't believe the writers didn't include how Paul's tears shed after killing the man endeared him to the awed Fremen: who waste no water to cry over the dead. Prior to the tears, the Fremen were furious at Paul's attempt at mercy ("yield!") being pereived as callous, dishonorable and mean-spirited disrespect towards a renowned warrior ("he's toying with him!"); thus repairing the fatal damage done from this cultural misunderstanding, and erecting the foundation of Paul's ascendancy.
They picked the right actor for Paul. That kid is amazing, as is the rest of the cast, as well as those who made the first part of the movie. I can't wait for the extended cut. Our society has become FAR too critical, especially about bringing favorite books to the screen, a monstrously difficult task. We need to be FAR more appreciative and encouraging, catching them doing something right rather than obsessively searching for mistakes, things not exactly how they are in the book, and any changes they made to bring the book to the screen. Please.....
Well, I disagree with the casting. Jason Momoa and Zendaya felt quite out of place. Jason almost felt unfamiliar with the role. And Zendaya is always a net loss to me when I see her in media, as I can't really seem to bring myself to enjoy any performance she does.
That's more than doubt. That's shock, maybe even the slightest tinge of worry, and a little bit of confusion. Paul doesn't just 'know how to fight', Paul just easily deflected or dodged several of Jamis' movements and attacks back to back, and there were at least two points where his having done so left Jamis open. That jump backwards after the missed swipe was probably intended to move out of the way of a predicted stab by Paul that never came, and Jamis doesn't know why it didn't, because he was open for it and Paul never once in that engagement raised his blade to attack. The Fremen are all deadly fighters, and Jamis is ostensibly one of their top few, so I can't even imagine what was racing through his mind there.
That spine shivering choir makes me feel like I’m not just watching a movie. If you’ve read the books you know just how chilling Paul killing Jamis really is; for Paul’s morality, and his bitter destiny. Really one of the best worlds ever created. Better than the Star Wars universe by a thousand miles
In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it’s impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them.... I destroy them. - Enders game
The Harkonnens needed a few battalions of Saurdaukar because Atreides has the finest swordsman in the imperiam in Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck. Duncan Idaho told his Duke that he had never been so close to dying as when defending himself against Fremen warriors. Chani said Jamis is a good fighter. Paul was “toying” with Jamis. Conclusion: Paul is the man!!!!
In the book, Thufir Hawat and a few of his men were being led away by one of the Fremen. The Fremen mentioned they had attacked a Harkonnen weapon site, capturing it, killed the guards. This surprised Thufir because he knew those weapon stations were held by Sardaukar. The Fremen basically go, "Oh those were Sardaukar! They fought well!" One of Thufir's officers limps up, "You... Fought Sardaukar?" They mention that they captured 3 of them. "... You captured Sardaukar?" It blew their minds, because Sardaukar were the finest, fiercest, most renown warriors in the empire.
In the books, it's not really that he's toying with him, it's that he doesn't initially understand that it's a fight to the death, he doesn't want to kill, and he has always trained to fight in the context of personal shields, where a slow thrust is necessary to pierce the shield.
@@aluskn agreed. Paul would never intentionally toy with anyone in combat. I’m just using Stilgar’s words to emphasize my point in Paul’s skill. I agree with you though.
Showing Paul's visions mid-fight was a great way to have us feel his moment of understanding that it was time to blood on his hands and become what his training had been for after so many years. With that understanding came the acceptance that he had to take a life in order to save his. Choosing this method over a simple voice-over definitely made this scene much more evocative.
Provided the writing is fantastic, I feel Timothee deserves praise for his acting. At the end when he voices his intention and reasoning to stay with the Fremen, he exudes the quality of a leader. The way he calmly delivers his lines convinced me that I trust and respect this man (Paul).
I love how when Paul gives Jamis the Atreides salute the soundtrack for Duncan arriving to meet him and Jessica in the desert plays. This gesture being normal for the Atreides just like it is for Fremen to say "may thy knife chip and shatter" is introduced way earlier in the movie when the Atreides soldiers about to face the Harkonnens in the palace give them the same salute. The soundtrack choice reinforces how important Duncan was not just to Paul but to the regular Atreides warrior.
I hear a lot of people talking about how the reality of how things turn out is different from Paul's visions. Only if you take the visions at face value. This may alternatively be the movie's way of showing Paul coming to terms with his precognition, not yet fully understanding what he sees. Jamis really did show Paul the ways of the fremen. Kill or be killed. They are brutal, harsh people who have little time for close friendships and smiles like he sees in his dream. In fact, name a time a fremen smiles once in the entire movie. It's the reality of living on Arrakis. This could also represent how Paul is projecting his own desires onto his path. He doesn't want to kill, he wants to keep Jamis alive, a source of wisdom and love, but he must do what is necessary if he is to survive. In another vision, he sees Chani "give" him her knife by killing him. From Dune, we also know that "to take a life is to take your own." So, by taking Jamis' life, he IS taking his own, with the knife Chani gave him. So I argue that even that vision came to pass, in a way. All precognition in Dune comes with uncertainty, particularly the Mentat variety (using mathematical probabilities to dispose of unlikely outcomes). iirc in the book, Paul sees multiple potential outcomes for the future. However, I'm also going to argue for this interpretation, that Paul IS seeing the true future, he just sees it in a softer, metaphorical sense. Or he's coming to terms with his abilities. It's just a more interesting theory to me!
"his sight had barely awakened, and now he goes into the fire." Most likely his visions are estimates. As time goes on, as he hones in on his skill with his sight, his ability to perceive the future will improve. "...A mind. Capable of bridging space... And time. Past and future." So yeah he's getting visions of what could be and what might be, but it's not immediately accurate.
To be fair he sees many futures which can come true. All of them possible and none of them are certain. If he chooses the right path he can create any future he sees. The problem is choice. Also his sight is barely awake. Wish they included him crying in this scene like in the book.
I never read the books so I have no idea if you're right or not. When I watched the movies I was confused and assumed he changed the future because he saw the future. Knowing it led him down a different path But who knows, you might be 100% right
@@TheGoldenGod. Thanks for the clarification, my recollection about his precognition wasn’t great. They might show him crying in the next movie, I think he cried later, when he accepted Jamis’ water coins. I doubt they’d pass up that scene.
@@ststes some futures do come true however small they may be and they’re shown in the movie. Examples can be seen revolving around Chani like when she steps off of the rock after Paul wins the duel or when he looks at her smile in the sun baked glow of the desert before she says “this is only the beginning”. This I assume is why he smiles to himself at the very end as he recognised what he was seeing. Also one of many reasons why his mother looks worried on her final look towards Paul at the end of the movie among other stuff.
@@sammiller6631 So I saw that movie at release. Putting a date stamp on me, eh? I will say that at first I laughed, the Lynch version misses so much, and the grotesque changes to the Harkonnen were so over the top evil and sick that I couldn't contain myself. But I've grown to love that version in a so bad it's good way. When I learned Villeneuve was doing a Dune adaptation, I had such incredible anticipation. I've seen Sicario, and Arrival, and Blade Runner 2049, all with his stamp. He's a masterful storyteller, he completely understands visual storytelling in movies, he works very well with his actors. I have yet to see a bad film of his. When I watched this movie, I saw a truly beautiful realization of Herbert's story. It tells the story differently, because you cannot (as Lynch proved) tell half your movie in dubbed internal monologue. For that reason, scenes are changed or reworked or repositioned in the story to convey the information and move things forward. On second viewing I realized how well this works. Parts of the book that are tangential are left out, focusing directly on the story. I now long for a Villeneuve quality Dune episodic series, ala some of the premiere work that is thriving on HBO Max. Something that can take its time, go into greater length, allow more of the world to live on the screen.
Of course Dune lends itself to screenplays. It is just harder to adapt it and the films take longer but the public is ready and *has* the spare time to watch them nowadays.
Jamis was naive in that he didn't realise that _the son of a Duke_ would be a superbly trained duelist… as that was a necessity in Imperial society. Also that since his mother had taken down their leader without much effort, it's more than likely he has the same skillset. When the middle aged woman can defeat your best, it's a reasonable assumption that her young adult male son will be an even better fighter. And if he knew of Duncan Idaho, who had held his own against several Fremen when ambushed and thus earning their respect, then that's another indication that this young man has been trained by people _better than Jamis._
One thing I love about this movie. The weight of the blades. A cut, a slice, a stab. You feel those three. Specially when blade is remove from flesh. You feel it.
I like how at the beginning of the fight Paul is hesitant because he doesn't realize how much he outclasses Jamis, after the first two scuffles he realizes he's on a different level and just starts repeatedly besting him because he's fighting with confidence now.
The only reason the fight wasnt over in 2 seconds is Paul mistakenly thought the man had the right to yield. So after 30 seconds Paul had learned enough of the man's fighting style that he was able to place his blade against the mans throat ( which is much more difficult than merely killing him) and shouted "Yield". Then he immediately did it again. Then the man shouted in rage and frustration because at that moment he realized he had willingly walked into a fight he had no chance of winning. He had thrown his life away .
I just realized that Jamis is Dr. M’Benga from Strange New Worlds. This was such a powerful scene in the book. With Paul’s BG training he was more than a match for Jamis, but didn’t see the need to kill him. When he did, he became responsible for his water, and his wife and children. It’s hard to convey the moment he was accepted by the Fremen in the movie with such emotion and heft, although I think they did a great job.
Also, in the book Paul tears up during the memorial service for Jamis. Because of the need to conserve water, no other Fremen wept, not even Jamis' wife. Because he "gave water to the dead", he became even more accepted by the Fremen. At least, that's how I remember it. Should probs re-read "Dune"!
I never read the books. I had no idea that Paul was undertaking THAT kind of responsibility. I had always thought Jamis would become a "teacher" to Paul and stay with him spiritually, however I had no idea that he would literally teach him big lessons, those such as managing responsibilities as you just explained.
@@Onlyhiphopbrendan he did become a teacher in the instant. The way of the desert is to survive by any means. No mercy. Kill or be killed, do not waste water or unnecessary energy which will waste water. In this fight Paul’s final strike was unnecessarily slow as he’s used to fighting with shields. The desert their are no shields no time to be slow. You must be quick and precise.
In the book Paul trained for fighting against shields. This fighting style needs a conditioning, act fast, slow at the last moment so your move won't be deflected from shield. He is fighting as he trained, Fremen didn't understand this. "Is he toying with the man?" refers to this act. Paul strikes and slows at the last moment so his opponent escapes. Jessica intervenes and explains the situation.
I think what I like most about the Dune films is that theirs never really the stereotypical back and forth duel where the main character barely survives but bests his opponent, in these, Paul just destroys everyone he fights and I'm all for it, even at the end when he fights Feyd it feels almost matched but Paul is still superior and all Feyd can do at best is hold up a strong defense so Pauls lets him give a non fatal wound so he'll let his guard down. I really hope this director makes a Vietnam war film after the Dune series, he's said Apocalypse now is one of his favorite films and after watching the Harkkonnen Orni thopter scramble to go after the Fremen, I can tell he would kill it.
One of the top 3 or 4 best scenes in the film. And perhaps Timothee's personal best scene performance. Also, the actor who played Jamis delivered one of the best performances of any of them. Truly iconic. No matter any future remakes, it's unlikely that Jamis will ever be better.
One of the best parts in this scene is Paul turning the knife before the death stroke. After the switch, he literally can't lose. He's looked into the branching future (cue the red hand vision) and chosen the path where Jamis dies.
I love scenes like this especially when it’s a book adaptation because even though I haven’t read the book (yet) you can still imagine the internal dialogue, or the narration that was put into film without any words being spoken
This was among my favorite parts of the first book. I love how it’s made clear that Paul doesn’t want to kill and is holding back until he realizes he has to and even then he seems like he’s toying with Jamis because he is used to fighting shielded opponents.
Something else I got from this scene is that Jamie requests this duel and accepts Paul as the opponent because he may have been driven simultaneously by hate for the enemy and also was willing to sacrifice himself to prove then and there that Paul was indeed "the one", in turn delivering hope to his people.
This was a major turning for Paul in the book, when he becomes a man of the fremen, receives his names of Usul and Muadib, gives water to the dead, is held in awe by the fremen as a 14 year old boy, easily outmatching Jamis but shield training and innocence prolong his duel, also the rite was fought without still suit, Stilgar was outmatched by Jessica, which was the way to leadership in this culture, they struck a deal to prevent disputes between them, Jessica proposed with a religious position in the sietch....a lot of detail missing.
I like the first time we saw the atriedes salute was from Duncan and he was smiling, willing to sacrifice himself for Paul. The last time we saw the salute was from Paul and he looks hesitant and almost mourning, knowing that he'll have to kill what could've been a good friend.
This might be the best scored movie I’ve ever seen in my life, those horns kick in right as he salutes with the blade and damn it’s triumphant. Also Babs is the shit. Refn’s “Too Old To Die Young” was the first time I saw him and he’s awesome in that also.
@@ThatHungryAfricanChild Not entirely true, that it is "all about the director and screenplay." You ignored the fact the fact that the actor himself is a *real-life martial artist* in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu which carries over into his acting. His name is Babs Olusanmokun.
The unfamiliarity that Jamis had with Paul while Paul having gotten a forewarned glimpse of how Jamis fights is something that is pretty well told in this scene. He ignores the opening gesture that Paul uses as a sign of respect and instead talks as if he already won the fight. Then when the fight begins, he initially gets the drop, but quickly finds that he can't find a real opening when Paul first hugs Jamis' space to prevent him from using his knife effectively. He adjusts by becoming more physical to throw him off, but Paul quickly adapts to ground fighting, effectively closing that strategy off. Forced to make this an even fight without the ability to make surprise attacks, he unwittingly plays into Paul's advantage in a regular fight where not only does Paul get multiple kill windows, but by the last exchange, Paul not only had him dead to rights, but his knife hand was also restricted. For all intents and purposes, Paul had showed him just how badly outmatched he was (their level of skills were still comparable, but Paul was effectively reading the book on him while he could do naught but guess at his next move). By the time he made his last attack, Paul had already seen it in his vision and just evaded it with a single motion and it was an attack that was more or less made in anguish instead of the intent to win.
I am curious to see if Jamis is in part two, still guiding Paul somehow in his spice visions. I don't remember if that happens in the book. But he also interacts with him for longer before the duel.
@@chrispyle2942 Maybe, I can tell you after the fight Jamis is no longer discussed except with a comment during the burial scene in which Paul calls Jamis was a friend that taught him the ways of the desert. This is a comment that Paul has learned the desert is kill or be killed which is something that Gurney tried to teach him but failed because prior to being on Arakus, Paul was never in any real danger. Later.
That's not quite how it works. Paul is unable to divine the outcome of the fight - he is able to see both paths where he live and he dies, but cannot see the events leading up to those outcomes. The reason the fight lasts as long as it does is a combination of his reluctance to kill and also his previous shield-training inhibitions - due to the nature of shield combat Paul has been trained to attack slowly and deliberately ("the shield turns the fast knife and permits the slow blade" - paraphrasing here), so he had been fighting mostly defensively. Paul is able to dodge Jamis' final attack because Chani had cued him in before the fight, telling him that Jamis was ambidextrous and basically revealing Jamis' signature move. But no, Paul is not invincible and his prescience is far from complete - if so, there would never have been tension in any fight, or any conflict at all really, thereafter. He is not predicting Jamis' next move - he simply is a better fighter, as he's been trained by both Idaho and Halleck, possibly the two most formidable swordmasters in the Imperium.
@@gluesniffingdude That's how it was in the books. The choreography here shows a difference in how they trained and the prowess Paul had in single combat.
@@machdude3366 I didn't think anything in this scene as DV's interpretation misrepresents the book. Of course it's not explicitly stated that Paul is slower on the attack since that would require internal monologue, but I don't really think there's anything to suggest that Paul knows what Jamis will instant by instant, or the outcome of the fight (and DV chooses to play up Paul's reluctance to kill instead, which is an understandable artistic liberty).
I really wanted to see this movie more than once in IMAX. Ended up not doing so, i still regret it. I hope ill get the chance to watch it with proper audio and visual once more. Such a cinematic masterpiece.
Very painful though, and not very dignified. Much worse than portrayed here but they were going for a PG13 rating so it's understandable and nobody would want to see it anyway
The best moment in this for me is Jamis’s face after the first encounter, he realized Paul isn’t some weak off world we he’s gonna run through, Paul is well trained and could’ve easily dealt him a fatal blow, he realizes hes fighting someone that skills match and possibly even surpasses his own and that he’s gonna have to work just to stay alive, incredible acting by everyone in these movies
The coolest thing about this fight scene is that there are no Hollywood sound mixer effects on when a punch lands or when a knife strikes. It's all just a dull slapping sound. Whether a punch or the final stroke of a knife. This movie is oustanding.
One of my favorite parts in the book was how Paul cried after killing him and for the Fremen it was almost mistical, that he would “give his water” for an enemy
Yes, it was very powerful, such an amazing book.
ITS A CRIME TO NOT PUT IT IN THE MOVIE
My favorite part too
@@samiouldzeine8076 Do we know how long the director's cut could be, I'd happily watch a 4 hour version of this adaptation, it may well be in that version, who knows.
@@TheMikethoth Don't get mmy hopes up i doubt any actor can put to the screen the raw emotion of that scene . I could almost hear the fremen whispering while i read it. The directors cut will be 3 hours long apparently tho
Paul doing Duncan’s knife salute before fighting Jamis, and now quoting Jamis before fighting Feyd. Awesome
IKR the whole sequence is culture evolving on is amazing. He does Jamis chest thumps too if I am not wrong in dune 2
love it, he has become more fremen
Yes he does it ! @@Tests
I think it's the Atreides salute, when the Harkonnen forces are going into Arakeen, the soldiers do the second half of the salute before that form up. Such a simple yet commanding salute too.
Its the Atreides salute
This is sadder when you remember that Paul already saw many moments in the future where he and Jamis were close friends.. So in a way Paul actually killed a dear friend
It was a branch of what could had happen it’s sad
So that’s what that clip was
Wtff
The lore I keep finding out about dune keeps getting crazier and crazier
Should I just read the book? I don’t want to wait for a third movie
I love how Paul just steps up as his mother’s champion. There’s no cheesy line of dialogue, he just steps forward and accepts
I am death...the ruler of worlds.
Agreed. Denis Villeneuve films are respectable because they are relatively void of unnecessary dialogue. Several movies in the last 20 years or so which are considered “mediocre” or “bad” would have been better if the head honchos cut out unnecessary dialogue.
Well, it's the very simple "show, not tell" principle that many directors fail to follow
As gurney tells him when they are training on Caladan. You fight when the need arises
I love Stilgar's subtly amazed reaction when Jessica tells him Paul has never killed before -- it's mind-blowing for Stilgar that Paul, with zero experience in true battle, can best a seasoned Fremen warrior.
This is the moment Stilgar begins to believe that the prophecies regarding Paul could be true.
And made it look easy. So easy in fact that Stilgar had to ask if he was, "toying with him". That's crazy.
@@genuinejustin6269 The fact he is so young and not proven but is so skilled is why, and Jamis himself even realizes it which is why he yells in frustration when Paul has him and says “do you yield”. Jamis realized his mistake and wanted to live but tradition prevented him from doing anything even as Paul does all he can to not kill the man then gives him a quick mostly painless death.
@@offworlder1 Yea it was such an amazing scene. I've watched it countless times 😆. I haven't been excited for a movie like I am for part 2 in a looooong time.
It's so fricking awesome how many little details you can catch or not catch in this film. Definitely a film to be analyzed at film schools for the ages.
Atreides royal training came in clutch.
I love the screams Jamis does towards the end. You can just feel his frustration and bitterness. He knows he's been beaten and that he's probably going to die but he's committed to the fight until the end.
I thought that this was his way of telling Paul to kill him in a quick of honorable way.
"Why are you toying with me??"
I think after paul beats and spares him he knows he must die and make paul kill him/suicide at that point. If he killed paul after being spared it would be to shameful for a Fremen after demanding a fight to the death.
He’s an ass and u “love” his yowling ?! What a useless comment on a terribly misdirected “interpretation” of DUNE. Waste. All that $$$ for a bunch of skill-less terrible actors - brooding nihilism is not an acting choice nor is it anything that DUNE was about
@@ChrisC-qh4io Except Hollywood once again screwed up the killing blow. People stabbed in the back do not suddenly drop dead and bleed out. To kill that fast with that effect, Paul needed to sever Jamis aorta or completely slice through his liver. To do this he would have had to look Jamis in the face when he killed him. Would have been a better and more realistic ending to this fight.
When Paul says “My father came for the strength of your people”. Stilgar closes his eyes in acceptance, is honoured, and sad for the man who knew the Fremens worth and appreciated who they were......Leto. And without words Javier Bardem shows us great acting.
dang that makes sense to me now, I always wondered why Stilgar looked sad
That was Javier Bardem?! Wow he really disappeared into that role
@@DSVIIThat's the mark of a great actor imo.
Not a good actor,
But a *great* actor.
I'll give you another example:
In Saving Private Ryan, guess who played as Caparzo.
Vin. Fracking. Diesel.
I never knew that untill maybe a year and a half ago.
@@davecrupel2817lmao vin compared to Javier is wild ….
So many subtle details in this movie, it's fantastic, it is something that I can rewatch again and again...
Only one thing missing here was a moment in the book when Jessica asks him after duel “how does it feel to be a murderer?”, so he wouldn’t take pride in what he did, to teach him humility, to balance out his sudden rise in status. And it worked
I'm pretty sure he felt humility when he cried to Jamis' death or in the movie's case, grabbed his name and embraced him to his death, that's what made Paul Honorable to himself and everyone around him.
@@Gadget-Walkmen yes, but he also felt power and got praise. and jessica knew that in the books. she knew it could be the beginning of a bad habit.
@@editaudioaesthetic yeah but he was going to get continuously get praise and pride in other scenes of achievements for the Fremen. As seen with Dune Part 2 trailer!
she doesn't have to ask him here. it's made incredibly apparent that he's not happy this happened. i swear, do any of you have any media literacy?
@@critiqueofthegothgfYeah, they probably do have media literacy seeing how that quote was in the book that this film was based off of. Try disagreeing without being an ass.
I think it's very interesting to add how good of a fighter Paul was, you can see it in Jamis's eyes a few moments into the fight. Paul was trained by the two best fighters and military minds in the empire at the time.
It's not really shown in any of the films (though there is a deleted scene in the 2020 adaptation that alludes to it) but he was also trained in the Bene Gesserit fighting style by his mother which allowed him to move and strike at unimaginable speeds.
Jamis wasn't expecting it, as he saw them as "soft offworlders". But it's also worth remembering that as a Fremen, Jamis himself was a very, very skilled fighter - he'd have been good enough to go toe-to-toe with Sardaukar and probably win. But as you say, Paul has had some of the best combat training in the imperium. There are only a handful of others in the book (Count Fenring, Feyd Rautha, and some of the Bene Gesserit) who are even close to his equal before he begins to really work with his prescient abilities.
In the novel, Paul's only initial weakness was the focus on shield fighting he had been put through. Combined with the aforementioned training of the Bene Gesserit, his defense was almost too fast to perceive. His offense was deliberately slow as to penetrate the shield. Once he overcame that, he took out Jamis quickly as he shifted his offense speed to match his defense speed.
@@DrOneOneOne what about what paul saw a vision of is death and jamis was the one holding is hand while he was diying probably from tthe same attack that paul killed him
@@Azurefanger IIRC, Paul's "prescient" abilities show him various possible futures, including his own death, "unless" he takes control of his own destiny.
People say that Paul gave Jamis 3 chances to stand down in this scene, but if you look closely, Paul actually gets his knife into several more positions that could could Jamis other than at the throat. He was a superior fighter here, and he was giving Jamis every single possible chance he had to bow out of it. Which I think makes the death itself so much worse. Paul never wanted the fight, and he saw what kind of a friend Jamis could have been if they hadn’t been locked into the duel. So the death itself wasn’t just of a stranger, it was the killing of a man who would have been his close advisor and brother in a different future.
he killed him dead
@@Macumber773Did he deaded him until he lived no more?
In the book Jamis was a bit of a loudmouth dick. He wasn’t a huge loss to the tribe and I get the feeling he was on the verge of being a liability at times.
@@rickymartin4457 Yeah, he unalived him to the max
he's dead jim
This director should really be proud of himself. Not only did he make an amazing movie but he basically did something that for 60 years up until this point everyone said COULD NOT BE DONE. And that’s a whole different type of accomplishment.
I watched the movie with my wife and 15 year old son, neither of whom knew the plot at all, and both were totally mesmerized. I agree, amazing accomplishment by Villeneuve.
@@PeterCacioppi Still, entirely leaving out the political context of the "Water empire model" and the tensions between the Landsraad leaves an interesting action yarn, and little else.
@@hellstromcarbunkle8857 was it in the 1st dune?
@@JGunit Yep.
The discussion by Thufir on the instability of the tripod power sharing between the Emperor, the Landsraad and the Spacing guild, and how Spice was the new "Water" of the ancient model.
Only in the book of course.
its not that good dude, just like in this scene cutting Paul's tears at the taking of a life , it simply diminishes the charactors and the story for no good reason, its how the legend of Paul being the Mahdi was cemented within the Fremen
I like how Jamis wishes him ill, and Paul just responds with a salute, doesn’t wish him ill in return.
When they say “my thy knife chip and shatter”? Isn’t that a respect that their giving each other. I haven’t read the book.
@MrExclusiveKid havent read the books but in my opinion it would be the same thing as saying "i hope your gun jams and breaks" before a shootout.
@@StonerGate may thy rod limp and falter
@@StonerGatefrom what I’ve read of the book (Im only up to this scene so correct me if I’m wrong) crysknifes basically disintegrate when their owner dies so he’s basically saying I’m gonna f*cking kill you
at this point paul has had a bunch of visions where jamis becomes his friend and shows him the ways of the desert. he entered the fight 'knowing' that they were destined to become buds. but it was only a possible future
Another little detail i think they left out of the movie is because paul is use to dueling with shields he slows down right before hes to make any killing blow. This is because the slow blade penetrates the shield. This is the reason the fremen onlookers think that paul is toying with his opponent and it really does frustrate them to see the perceived disrespect. Its probably best that they did leave it out because it would have been kind of an awkward anecdote to try and fit in the scene and lady jessicas explanation makes enough sense by itself but if you are curious about little things you are missing from the book i thought id mention it :)
I think they actually did show it in this fight, with Paul holding the blade for a killing cut but never making it. I completely believe that he’s hesitant because he’s never killed, but I think it’s also what you said: that he’s used to shields.
It’s in the movie but it’s very subtle. You see Paul slowly moving his knife to Jannis’ chest twice during the fight. It’s more noticeable in the IMAX version due to the expanded aspect ratio
He also replicates the same move Gurney made on him before
It's the sign of a good adaptation that they keep as much as they can but acknowledge the pros AND the cons of the different medium. As you say, somethings just won't translate well to a film, whereas a book can spent a whole page describing a split second action.
It's still true that Paul Adreides never killed a man before Jamis.
I love the nuance in this scene. Before this fight, most of these Fremen are on the fence about him being "the one". After he kills Jamis, then shows compassion and sorrow at his loss, those doubts are gone. No one says it, you just see it in the way the rest of the Fremen look at him with reverence and those close reach out to touch him. When Paul silences his mother about needing to get him offworld, just as Stilgar is about to respond, it seals the deal. You can see it in all their eyes. Masterful writing, directing, and acting from everyone. Notice the framing when Paul silences his mother too; he's standing with the Fremen, and it's the first time we see him make a call totally by himself and against his mom. The message is clear, Paul has been forced to grow up fast. From (sort of) pampered rich kid to killer and budding messiah
Your last sentence rephrased: "From child to warrior and budding messiah !
@@jameswoodland5639 It's a very cool character arc. It turns tragic later, and I don't understand the Fremen's later disdain for him but that is mostly true to how people and religions work. All he wanted to do was minimize bloodshed, he knew it couldn't be averted but what a terrible burden. I blame the BG for the whole thing they really did deserve the moniker "witches"
If only Paul would have abandoned his 'messiah' mission and they had gotten offworld, a civil war would have broken out in the Imperium and fewer people may have died than died in Paul's jihad. And he still might have ended up as Emperor :P
@@squamish4244 I'm pretty sure most of the Atradies forces died at Arrakis
@@fush0690 The jihad that Paul unleashes across the entire universe after he becomes Emperor.
In another vision Paul has, Jamis is a friend who shows him the ways of the desert. A slight tweak of circumstance brought this fight about. Denis Villeneuve is adding that variable aspect of Paul's visions to the film, while compressing scenes for time. Paul should have shed tears. Giving "water to the Dead" would cement the mercy he tried to show to Jamis.
In a way, Jamis HAS shown him the ways of the desert. It could be Paul just misinterpreted his own vision.
Jamis is showing him that the ways of yielding, and fighting for sport, and mercy, are all behind Paul now. He must adopt the ways of the desert and fight to the death. He must accept the customs of the Fremen to be truly accepted. He must abandon his identity as Paul Atreides and become the Muad'Dib.
I really missed that scene from the book. Wish they had put it in
@@markbridges2168 I thought the shedding water for the dead comes after Jamis's funeral?
They're going to have the funeral, where he inherits Jamis' water rings, all his possessions, and gives water to the dead, at the opening of Part 2. He didn't cry in the immediate aftermath of the duel in the book either.
Right, what @@hughsmith7504 said. He doesn't cry immediately after the fight.
I love how Villeneuve goes against cliché and makes the fight not only brutal but FAST. It's realistic feeling because that's often how one on one combat is - dangerous and quickly OVER. The odds were never in Jamis's favor despite his reputation and the lack of lethal experience in Paul.
1:54 I like how Paul changes his knife hold from poke to stab and how he no longer has excessive unwanted movements, it's like they say if you are here to kill then make it quick. He is ready to make his first kill.
Paul had to make the adjustment from shield fighting in which he had been trained all his life. The slow blade penetrates the shield. He had to unlearn that lesson in the heat of battle before it killed him. He also had never killed, only trained in non fatal fighting exercises so it was natural for him to expect his opponent to yield which was never the Fremen way.
@@edfrawley4356 The move that Paul uses to finally kill Jamis was the same move that Gurney used to tag Paul in the shield practice scene. Right around 17:45 into the movie.
@@TimLewallen
Yes, good catch. It's also a bullfighting move. Perfect for the Atreides line.
I think it's more so a reference to bullfighting, and knowing that he had antagonised his enemy into charging him. Evade and strike at the same time, that grip change allowed for that technique easier than if he was holding it in a hammer or handshake grip. Realistically, a reverse grip offers more power when striking downwards, but severely limits reach and flexibility, it is a terrible grip for knife fighting with larger blades.
@@TimLewallen Good catch. I hadn't noticed that it was the move Gurney used, but you're right! It's also a nasty, nasty way to take someone out. It (strike to the Vena Cava) was taught to soldiers/marines in WWII for "sentry removal" because it causes pain so intense the victim can't even call for help, followed by exsanguination/suffocation via paralysis, whichever come first. Paul made a point here, don't mess with him
Lady Jessica quickly tempered any feelings of triumph Paul felt by coldly saying "How does it feel to be a *killer* ?" She wanted Paul to feel it as none other than Vlad Harkonnen was her father and Paul's grandfather. He could have easily gone down that path so she made sure Paul received a hard lesson on any gloating over taking another man's life.
Jessica had to shut down any pride Paul felt after killing. The BG do not raise sociopaths.
That is a wise path to choose.
Thank you my son that you fought for me and did something that you actually didn´t really wanted to do. And what would happen if he had sad that it feels good ? At this point he isn´t a killer but someone that was forced to take a mans life. You can´t descirbe yourself as a killer if you are fighting for your life.
@@Nunavuter1 No, they raise dangerous would-be tyrants with superhuman powers. Because why not? It's not like they wouldn't be able to totally control someone who can see the future, right? The entire BG sisterhood and their grand breeding program is the height of hubris, and Frank Herbert made this point deliberately
@@Nunavuter1 I mean, the BG are full of them...
"He's never killed a man..." For the violence of this scene, it is SO much more...a deeply human drama. Well done Denis Villeneuve!
In the book is a bit different, although not better. Just different.
First Jessica approaches Paul right after the kill and humbles him so he doesn't get to enjoy killing; then Stilgar comes in kinda pissed because he's assuming Paul was toying with Jamis and thus enjoyed killing. That's when Jessica tells him the truth and Stilgar realizes Paul was simply reluctant to kill: he immediately understands and changes attitude from pissed to relieved, he says something like: "I thought I'd accepted a scorpion into our community".
I'm still reading, but Stilgar really comes across as a very competent, humane leader. Hard not to love him.
You can see the moment at 1:35 where Jamis understands that the battle was over before it began. That he's alive only because Paul didn't wish to kill him, likewise he no doubt realized that Paul also spared him and ALL of the others he passed on his climb. Credit within Credit to the actor, he sold the moment with such passion. I hope they bring the actor back for the visions in the future installments.
Thank you
Uhm, I think he may have arrived at that conclusion a good 20 seconds _before_ your time stamp.
@@antred11 Being beaten vs never having been an honest factor in the first place are of differing points in a battle. My timestamp having been of the latter.
@@Deepingmind no, it happens at 00:54 for sure. That look of ‘oh crap what did I get myself into’ is profound here.
The fight choreography in the first few movements is a story in of itself. Paul brushed aside every attack Janis made, with ease.
Janis knew at 00:54-0:55 just look in his eyes.
Well choreographed fight scenes are often an entire plot ‘dialogue tree’ by them self. Watch the movements better.
Autocorrect butchered the names. I should’ve proof-read my comment but I’m not accepting responsibility for that ‘Janis’ crap.
Jessica saw the girl-child Chani helping Paul, saw her press a crysknife handle into his palm, saw him heft it, testing the weight and balance. And it came to Jessica that Paul had been trained in the prana and bindu, the nerve and the fiber - that he had been taught fighting in a deadly school, his teachers men like Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck, men who were legends in their own lifetimes. The boy knew the devious ways of the Bene Gesserit and he looked supple and confident. "But he's only fifteen," she thought. "And he has no shield. I must stop this. Somehow, there must be a way"
There were many things that were changed or left out that I didn't care for. But this moment that Paul takes Jamis' hand as Jamis dies, as a sign of respect and camaraderie just blew me away. Awesome.Oh, and they did a fantastic job casting Stilgar.
he probably knew to do it since in his vision where jamis wins and kills paul, he did the exact same thing. I might be misremembering tho.
@@cemulku9668 Yep, he can see the future, so Paul knew what moves Jamis would do, the fight was over before it began.
It wasn't really camaraderie, just a mutual understanding. Paul saw in his vision that Jamis would have done the same thing for him. Jamis was Fremen through and through. When he killed men, he took on their responsibilities and burdens. Now Paul was going to take on his and Jamis understood that. Even trusted him to at the end.
@@Maniac742 "When he killed men, he took on their responsibilities and burdens. Now Paul was going to take on his and Jamis understood that." you mean like how Chronicles of Riddick had the whole "You are what you kill" thing? Is he now responsible to fill the role that Jamis had while alive?
@@Observertory not literally, but like stilgar said a life for a life, the desert has limited space and you have to make the space you keep.
Don't forget that Jamis taking Paul's hand at the end is his way of acknowledging him as the Muad'Dib.
2:02 It goes by in a blur, but for those who missed it ... chani had tipped off paul before the duel to beware of jamis doing a knife switch. As soon as jamis did it, it looks like paul slipped by in a blur and scored a fatal reverse stab to jamis's right kidney.
Paul also saw that knife switch in a vision before the fight, he saw himself getting killed by that move. When he decides to kill Jamis he switches to reverse grip because he knows exactly what's coming and how to counter it.
And that was long dagger too. It pierced through a lot.
@@bluemassgamer17 Yep. Kidney, possibly the lower lobe of the liver and/or the right lung, depending on the upward angle. Most vascularly dense areas. Almost instantly fatal due to shock and a catastrophic drop in BP from massive internal bleeding.
Thanks for the comment. I'm watching the movie on Netflix currently and I replayed the scene multiple times to see why jamis even died. I couldn't figure it out so I came here. You can't even see a wound or something on jamis back. I don't understand why filmmakers decide to just don't care about these details.
@@finnbrixius6803 Paul's ability to move with blinding speed was the result of his Bene Gesserit training ... but you can still the move I described at 2:02 at 0.25x speed.
There are a lot of comments here that amount to this question: "Why isn't the screenplay EXACTLY like the book?"
Frank Herbert's novel includes a series of stream-of-consciousness reactions of numerous characters - the reader is told what individuals are thinking as they participate in key scenes.
This is a huge hurdle in writing a screenplay where dialogue, not thoughts, must be delivered in video. Imagine going to a movie theater, the lights go down, and someone comes on stage and reads Dune to you in the dark. That's the screenplay writer's unenviable starting point.
Consequently it is inevitable that certain plot points are dropped or receive more emphasis. The screenplay used by David Lynch had ethereal voiceovers whispering lines like "Could he be the One?", a confusing proxy for a character's thought if the viewer had never read the book.
We also need to give Part II a chance to complete Denis Villeneuve's vision.
exactly, i havent read the books but i heard theres a part in this fight where paul struggles with fighting since he always slows his blade to penetrate shields since thats all he knows. other than him shouting "oh no i keep slowing down my attacks because im used to shields! whatever will i do" there is no conceivable way for a screenwriter to get this across in a movie since inner monologue is hard to "show". unfortunately this sort of complaints will plague this movie and sequels but ultimately the director did a fantastic job and will be recognised
Lol even without part 2, this movie alone is an ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE of a cinematic adaptation of a movie! This movie alone BRILLIANTLY and MASTERFULLY adapted the story of Dune on screen! It was beautiful phenomenal how this story was told on screen and everything about this movie is beyond perfect on how phenomenal it all was! A complete masterpiece of a film!
Yep, and Denis makes it clear when he talks about the movie -- his intention was not to put Frank Herbert's book on the screen. It was always going to be HIS version of that story, modified and adapted to fit the constraints of the film medium. Why's it not like the book in X way? Because Denis is an artist as well and this is his adaptation of Dune, with all that implies.
@@BigMikeMcBastard And be made a MASTERPIECE of a movie with his vision as he know how to adapt the story perfectly for the big screen while staying true to the themes and message of the original novel! Can’t wait for part 2!
Bag O'Quarks, I can't help but remember Dune 1984 and how the characters' thoughts were constantly heard. Now I know why. Kudos 👏
He had been trained his whole life for this moment.
What I love about this scene is that the final battle of a movie is usually the villain dominating the hero, but the hero then rises after a little motivation and beats the villain. However here, Paul is completely dominating over Jamis throughout the whole fight.
Jamis was never a villain. He was a doorway to life made necessary by the hard rules of the Fremen.
@@XX-qf5zj Nobody said he was. BubblyJUbbly was refererring to beaten to the death trope.
Instead of focusing on overcoming adversity as in most story third acts, Dune instead wrestles with the consequences and ethics of increasing unfathomable power. That’s why it stand apart as a great series.
"May your knife chip and shatter.'
'I'll be sure to take yours if it does.'
1:54 love the detail of Paul already switching to an icepick grip because he now knows he has to kill Jamis - and knows how he's going to do it too, with a backwards stab to the spine. Brilliant choreography.
Goddamn, challenging the new guy for some easy clout then immediately getting thoroughly outclassed is the most embarrassing way to die. Jamis had a surprised Pikachu moment.
Just like your cheap comment trying to chase for some easy clout.
The tragic bit is that Jamis was partially correct - Paul is not really the Lisan al-Gaib (nor does such a figure have any real merit), since that whole bit was nothing more than the BG doing their religious implantation generations before. He is the Kwisatz Haderach (which iirc kinda translates similarly to LaG), but him rising to become the religious leader of the Fremen is very much just him and his mother cheesing a system that was already there.
When keeping it real goes wrong
I can't believe the writers didn't include how Paul's tears shed after killing the man endeared him to the awed Fremen: who waste no water to cry over the dead.
Prior to the tears, the Fremen were furious at Paul's attempt at mercy ("yield!") being pereived as callous, dishonorable and mean-spirited disrespect towards a renowned warrior ("he's toying with him!"); thus repairing the fatal damage done from this cultural misunderstanding, and erecting the foundation of Paul's ascendancy.
As it's been pointed out, the tears come at Jamis' death ritual, not directly after he kills him. We might get that scene in part 2.
@@johndoent8140 Ah, whoops. Thanks for the correction. It's been awhile.
im ok the symbolism is so strong , its a director choice , i dont think villeneuve wasnt aware of that. Lets wait
I'm guessing this will be one of the first scenes in part 2. It's a major event in the book
I also think they should have had paul and jamis take their stillsuits off, as they'd never let one be damaged by a blade
I love that there's no sound during the fight, just hearing them fight, such good directing!
They picked the right actor for Paul. That kid is amazing, as is the rest of the cast, as well as those who made the first part of the movie. I can't wait for the extended cut. Our society has become FAR too critical, especially about bringing favorite books to the screen, a monstrously difficult task. We need to be FAR more appreciative and encouraging, catching them doing something right rather than obsessively searching for mistakes, things not exactly how they are in the book, and any changes they made to bring the book to the screen. Please.....
Well, I disagree with the casting. Jason Momoa and Zendaya felt quite out of place. Jason almost felt unfamiliar with the role. And Zendaya is always a net loss to me when I see her in media, as I can't really seem to bring myself to enjoy any performance she does.
@@bluejacket4429 😂
They only picked him because of his tribe
timothee and zendaya have a habit of overacting. Better choices could've been made.
@@bluejacket4429 jason momoa is great
0:54 you can see doubt in Jamis' eyes as he realizes Paul actually knows how to fight
It’s less so a doubt and more so - shit I gotta actually concentrate and fight for my life here, not play around.
That's more than doubt. That's shock, maybe even the slightest tinge of worry, and a little bit of confusion.
Paul doesn't just 'know how to fight', Paul just easily deflected or dodged several of Jamis' movements and attacks back to back, and there were at least two points where his having done so left Jamis open. That jump backwards after the missed swipe was probably intended to move out of the way of a predicted stab by Paul that never came, and Jamis doesn't know why it didn't, because he was open for it and Paul never once in that engagement raised his blade to attack.
The Fremen are all deadly fighters, and Jamis is ostensibly one of their top few, so I can't even imagine what was racing through his mind there.
@@perrycarters3113 He realizes he made a big mistake but it's too late now, and he has to try to survive
That spine shivering choir makes me feel like I’m not just watching a movie. If you’ve read the books you know just how chilling Paul killing Jamis really is; for Paul’s morality, and his bitter destiny.
Really one of the best worlds ever created. Better than the Star Wars universe by a thousand miles
In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it’s impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them.... I destroy them. - Enders game
Bro copied another guy Comment 💀💀
That's the basic concept from Stranger in a Strange Land - you must love before you hate.
The way they hold hands as the guy is dying is heartbreaking.
The Harkonnens needed a few battalions of Saurdaukar because Atreides has the finest swordsman in the imperiam in Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck.
Duncan Idaho told his Duke that he had never been so close to dying as when defending himself against Fremen warriors.
Chani said Jamis is a good fighter.
Paul was “toying” with Jamis.
Conclusion: Paul is the man!!!!
In the book, Thufir Hawat and a few of his men were being led away by one of the Fremen. The Fremen mentioned they had attacked a Harkonnen weapon site, capturing it, killed the guards. This surprised Thufir because he knew those weapon stations were held by Sardaukar.
The Fremen basically go, "Oh those were Sardaukar! They fought well!"
One of Thufir's officers limps up, "You... Fought Sardaukar?"
They mention that they captured 3 of them.
"... You captured Sardaukar?"
It blew their minds, because Sardaukar were the finest, fiercest, most renown warriors in the empire.
@@Warmaker01 yup. Toughened by their own radioactive wasteland of a planet. You are a product of your environment.
In the books, it's not really that he's toying with him, it's that he doesn't initially understand that it's a fight to the death, he doesn't want to kill, and he has always trained to fight in the context of personal shields, where a slow thrust is necessary to pierce the shield.
@@aluskn agreed. Paul would never intentionally toy with anyone in combat. I’m just using Stilgar’s words to emphasize my point in Paul’s skill. I agree with you though.
For he is the Kwisatz Haderach
1:00 that facial expression is priceless. The “oh shit, this kid isn’t bad at all” 😂
The actor who played Jamis made a big impact with his performance. This scene always sticks out.
Showing Paul's visions mid-fight was a great way to have us feel his moment of understanding that it was time to blood on his hands and become what his training had been for after so many years. With that understanding came the acceptance that he had to take a life in order to save his. Choosing this method over a simple voice-over definitely made this scene much more evocative.
Provided the writing is fantastic, I feel Timothee deserves praise for his acting. At the end when he voices his intention and reasoning to stay with the Fremen, he exudes the quality of a leader. The way he calmly delivers his lines convinced me that I trust and respect this man (Paul).
I love how when Paul gives Jamis the Atreides salute the soundtrack for Duncan arriving to meet him and Jessica in the desert plays. This gesture being normal for the Atreides just like it is for Fremen to say "may thy knife chip and shatter" is introduced way earlier in the movie when the Atreides soldiers about to face the Harkonnens in the palace give them the same salute.
The soundtrack choice reinforces how important Duncan was not just to Paul but to the regular Atreides warrior.
The Fremen spout variations of "You are certain to die, you're basically dead already" so much around this scene I was just like "You're jinxing it"
I hear a lot of people talking about how the reality of how things turn out is different from Paul's visions. Only if you take the visions at face value. This may alternatively be the movie's way of showing Paul coming to terms with his precognition, not yet fully understanding what he sees.
Jamis really did show Paul the ways of the fremen. Kill or be killed. They are brutal, harsh people who have little time for close friendships and smiles like he sees in his dream. In fact, name a time a fremen smiles once in the entire movie. It's the reality of living on Arrakis. This could also represent how Paul is projecting his own desires onto his path. He doesn't want to kill, he wants to keep Jamis alive, a source of wisdom and love, but he must do what is necessary if he is to survive.
In another vision, he sees Chani "give" him her knife by killing him. From Dune, we also know that "to take a life is to take your own." So, by taking Jamis' life, he IS taking his own, with the knife Chani gave him. So I argue that even that vision came to pass, in a way.
All precognition in Dune comes with uncertainty, particularly the Mentat variety (using mathematical probabilities to dispose of unlikely outcomes). iirc in the book, Paul sees multiple potential outcomes for the future. However, I'm also going to argue for this interpretation, that Paul IS seeing the true future, he just sees it in a softer, metaphorical sense. Or he's coming to terms with his abilities. It's just a more interesting theory to me!
"his sight had barely awakened, and now he goes into the fire."
Most likely his visions are estimates. As time goes on, as he hones in on his skill with his sight, his ability to perceive the future will improve.
"...A mind. Capable of bridging space... And time. Past and future."
So yeah he's getting visions of what could be and what might be, but it's not immediately accurate.
To be fair he sees many futures which can come true. All of them possible and none of them are certain. If he chooses the right path he can create any future he sees. The problem is choice. Also his sight is barely awake. Wish they included him crying in this scene like in the book.
I never read the books so I have no idea if you're right or not. When I watched the movies I was confused and assumed he changed the future because he saw the future. Knowing it led him down a different path
But who knows, you might be 100% right
@@TheGoldenGod. Thanks for the clarification, my recollection about his precognition wasn’t great. They might show him crying in the next movie, I think he cried later, when he accepted Jamis’ water coins. I doubt they’d pass up that scene.
@@ststes some futures do come true however small they may be and they’re shown in the movie. Examples can be seen revolving around Chani like when she steps off of the rock after Paul wins the duel or when he looks at her smile in the sun baked glow of the desert before she says “this is only the beginning”. This I assume is why he smiles to himself at the very end as he recognised what he was seeing. Also one of many reasons why his mother looks worried on her final look towards Paul at the end of the movie among other stuff.
This is damn good so far. Great film adaptation to a book that doesn't lend itself to screenplays
Good point! Absolutely agree!
This is far better than the dumpster fire David Lynch slopped together in 1984.
@@sammiller6631 So I saw that movie at release. Putting a date stamp on me, eh? I will say that at first I laughed, the Lynch version misses so much, and the grotesque changes to the Harkonnen were so over the top evil and sick that I couldn't contain myself. But I've grown to love that version in a so bad it's good way.
When I learned Villeneuve was doing a Dune adaptation, I had such incredible anticipation. I've seen Sicario, and Arrival, and Blade Runner 2049, all with his stamp. He's a masterful storyteller, he completely understands visual storytelling in movies, he works very well with his actors. I have yet to see a bad film of his.
When I watched this movie, I saw a truly beautiful realization of Herbert's story. It tells the story differently, because you cannot (as Lynch proved) tell half your movie in dubbed internal monologue. For that reason, scenes are changed or reworked or repositioned in the story to convey the information and move things forward. On second viewing I realized how well this works. Parts of the book that are tangential are left out, focusing directly on the story.
I now long for a Villeneuve quality Dune episodic series, ala some of the premiere work that is thriving on HBO Max. Something that can take its time, go into greater length, allow more of the world to live on the screen.
Of course Dune lends itself to screenplays. It is just harder to adapt it and the films take longer but the public is ready and *has* the spare time to watch them nowadays.
The only unrealistic thing is how well he fought, considering the hair in his eyes 😂😂
Jamis was naive in that he didn't realise that _the son of a Duke_ would be a superbly trained duelist… as that was a necessity in Imperial society.
Also that since his mother had taken down their leader without much effort, it's more than likely he has the same skillset.
When the middle aged woman can defeat your best, it's a reasonable assumption that her young adult male son will be an even better fighter.
And if he knew of Duncan Idaho, who had held his own against several Fremen when ambushed and thus earning their respect, then that's another indication that this young man has been trained by people _better than Jamis._
Jamis knew he was outmatched in about ten seconds.
One thing I love about this movie. The weight of the blades. A cut, a slice, a stab. You feel those three. Specially when blade is remove from flesh. You feel it.
Jaimis: *boasts and talks shit*
Paul: *absolutely bodies him*
0:54 Jaimis realizes he done fucked up, eyes are the size of thopters
1:44 "I done fucked up, kill me already"
As soon as that wailing music started, Jamis should have realised it was over lol
Better than the 1980 version. "Shoop! shoop!"
classic "taunt to get bodied"
I like how at the beginning of the fight Paul is hesitant because he doesn't realize how much he outclasses Jamis, after the first two scuffles he realizes he's on a different level and just starts repeatedly besting him because he's fighting with confidence now.
He killed his master. They spent a lifetime together, in the other world. This made me sad.
Dang this a lot deeper than I thought
Deeper then a giant worm hole 🐛
The only reason the fight wasnt over in 2 seconds is Paul mistakenly thought the man had the right to yield.
So after 30 seconds Paul had learned enough of the man's fighting style that he was able to place his blade against the mans throat ( which is much more difficult than merely killing him) and shouted "Yield".
Then he immediately did it again.
Then the man shouted in rage and frustration because at that moment he realized he had willingly walked into a fight he had no chance of winning.
He had thrown his life away .
In the book Chani explain to Paul how Jamis fights. + Paul spend life with Jamis in his visions from timeline in which Paul let Jamis to kill her mom.
I love that they showed that Jamis was a highly skilled fighter with both hands. That quick change of hands was very cool to see
I just realized that Jamis is Dr. M’Benga from Strange New Worlds.
This was such a powerful scene in the book. With Paul’s BG training he was more than a match for Jamis, but didn’t see the need to kill him. When he did, he became responsible for his water, and his wife and children. It’s hard to convey the moment he was accepted by the Fremen in the movie with such emotion and heft, although I think they did a great job.
Also, in the book Paul tears up during the memorial service for Jamis. Because of the need to conserve water, no other Fremen wept, not even Jamis' wife. Because he "gave water to the dead", he became even more accepted by the Fremen. At least, that's how I remember it. Should probs re-read "Dune"!
@@reginal.898 Ive read Dune about 15 times in my life and i still think that to myself sometimes.
I never read the books. I had no idea that Paul was undertaking THAT kind of responsibility. I had always thought Jamis would become a "teacher" to Paul and stay with him spiritually, however I had no idea that he would literally teach him big lessons, those such as managing responsibilities as you just explained.
@@Onlyhiphopbrendan he did become a teacher in the instant. The way of the desert is to survive by any means. No mercy. Kill or be killed, do not waste water or unnecessary energy which will waste water. In this fight Paul’s final strike was unnecessarily slow as he’s used to fighting with shields. The desert their are no shields no time to be slow. You must be quick and precise.
In the Book Jessica slaps him after the fight.
In the book Paul trained for fighting against shields. This fighting style needs a conditioning, act fast, slow at the last moment so your move won't be deflected from shield. He is fighting as he trained, Fremen didn't understand this. "Is he toying with the man?" refers to this act. Paul strikes and slows at the last moment so his opponent escapes. Jessica intervenes and explains the situation.
I think what I like most about the Dune films is that theirs never really the stereotypical back and forth duel where the main character barely survives but bests his opponent, in these, Paul just destroys everyone he fights and I'm all for it, even at the end when he fights Feyd it feels almost matched but Paul is still superior and all Feyd can do at best is hold up a strong defense so Pauls lets him give a non fatal wound so he'll let his guard down. I really hope this director makes a Vietnam war film after the Dune series, he's said Apocalypse now is one of his favorite films and after watching the Harkkonnen Orni thopter scramble to go after the Fremen, I can tell he would kill it.
One of the top 3 or 4 best scenes in the film. And perhaps Timothee's personal best scene performance. Also, the actor who played Jamis delivered one of the best performances of any of them. Truly iconic. No matter any future remakes, it's unlikely that Jamis will ever be better.
3:32-3:38 that mixed expression of Chani
She is angry at loosing her comrade but she also acknowledges Paul.
Nicely delivered by the actress !!
Waste of time having her in this movie.
Nah. All she does in every movie is -_-
Brilliant move to have Jamis be so important to the future (possible) visions and diverge when reality catches up.
This was his fate. The first man you kill shall be your greatest teacher.
I love the way the actor plays Jamis, so much energy and rage - but yet it is still focused and his fighting is precise.
Dune Part II is in production baby!!!!
One of the best parts in this scene is Paul turning the knife before the death stroke. After the switch, he literally can't lose. He's looked into the branching future (cue the red hand vision) and chosen the path where Jamis dies.
I love scenes like this especially when it’s a book adaptation because even though I haven’t read the book (yet) you can still imagine the internal dialogue, or the narration that was put into film without any words being spoken
This was among my favorite parts of the first book. I love how it’s made clear that Paul doesn’t want to kill and is holding back until he realizes he has to and even then he seems like he’s toying with Jamis because he is used to fighting shielded opponents.
In the book Paul’s training with a shield is what prevents him killing Jamis quickly and after he has killed his mother shocks him with her words.
Loved this film, looking forward to the next one.
Something else I got from this scene is that Jamie requests this duel and accepts Paul as the opponent because he may have been driven simultaneously by hate for the enemy and also was willing to sacrifice himself to prove then and there that Paul was indeed "the one", in turn delivering hope to his people.
Imagine getting beaten like 5 times in a death match, Jamis got rekt
i like how he honored Duncan with that salute
Favorite scene! Goosebumps every time! Can’t wait for the next one
This was a major turning for Paul in the book, when he becomes a man of the fremen, receives his names of Usul and Muadib, gives water to the dead, is held in awe by the fremen as a 14 year old boy, easily outmatching Jamis but shield training and innocence prolong his duel, also the rite was fought without still suit, Stilgar was outmatched by Jessica, which was the way to leadership in this culture, they struck a deal to prevent disputes between them, Jessica proposed with a religious position in the sietch....a lot of detail missing.
I still get chills with this one. CAN’T WAIT for December!
Part 2 can't come soon enough.
Trailer for Part 2 is already out! PURE HYPED!
I like the first time we saw the atriedes salute was from Duncan and he was smiling, willing to sacrifice himself for Paul.
The last time we saw the salute was from Paul and he looks hesitant and almost mourning, knowing that he'll have to kill what could've been a good friend.
Jamis would acquire a status of Prophet - he "proved Maud Dib".
This character captures Jamis's impulsive nature very well.
This might be the best scored movie I’ve ever seen in my life, those horns kick in right as he salutes with the blade and damn it’s triumphant.
Also Babs is the shit. Refn’s “Too Old To Die Young” was the first time I saw him and he’s awesome in that also.
He's also Dr Mbenga in Star Trek Strange New Worlds
This actor is nothing like this everywhere else. well done
The power of this story brings out their abilities as well, the dune story is incredibly powerful if it can be presented in the way it is meant.
Its all about the director and screenplay. If source material and direction is good then the performers will reflect that
@@ThatHungryAfricanChild Not entirely true, that it is "all about the director and screenplay." You ignored the fact the fact that the actor himself is a *real-life martial artist* in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu which carries over into his acting. His name is Babs Olusanmokun.
Of the entire movie, the fight between Jessica and Stilgar and then Paul and Jamis were my fave scenes.
Such a good rendition.
Great job on the video Lance, thanks for sharing!
Great music; great lines!
Great acting from everyone in this scene.
Interesting how the Fremen seem to mourn Paul's loss of innocence as much or more than Jamis's actual life.
“May thy knife chip and shatter.”, love that line so much!
The unfamiliarity that Jamis had with Paul while Paul having gotten a forewarned glimpse of how Jamis fights is something that is pretty well told in this scene.
He ignores the opening gesture that Paul uses as a sign of respect and instead talks as if he already won the fight. Then when the fight begins, he initially gets the drop, but quickly finds that he can't find a real opening when Paul first hugs Jamis' space to prevent him from using his knife effectively. He adjusts by becoming more physical to throw him off, but Paul quickly adapts to ground fighting, effectively closing that strategy off. Forced to make this an even fight without the ability to make surprise attacks, he unwittingly plays into Paul's advantage in a regular fight where not only does Paul get multiple kill windows, but by the last exchange, Paul not only had him dead to rights, but his knife hand was also restricted. For all intents and purposes, Paul had showed him just how badly outmatched he was (their level of skills were still comparable, but Paul was effectively reading the book on him while he could do naught but guess at his next move). By the time he made his last attack, Paul had already seen it in his vision and just evaded it with a single motion and it was an attack that was more or less made in anguish instead of the intent to win.
I am curious to see if Jamis is in part two, still guiding Paul somehow in his spice visions. I don't remember if that happens in the book. But he also interacts with him for longer before the duel.
@@chrispyle2942 Maybe, I can tell you after the fight Jamis is no longer discussed except with a comment during the burial scene in which Paul calls Jamis was a friend that taught him the ways of the desert. This is a comment that Paul has learned the desert is kill or be killed which is something that Gurney tried to teach him but failed because prior to being on Arakus, Paul was never in any real danger. Later.
That's not quite how it works. Paul is unable to divine the outcome of the fight - he is able to see both paths where he live and he dies, but cannot see the events leading up to those outcomes.
The reason the fight lasts as long as it does is a combination of his reluctance to kill and also his previous shield-training inhibitions - due to the nature of shield combat Paul has been trained to attack slowly and deliberately ("the shield turns the fast knife and permits the slow blade" - paraphrasing here), so he had been fighting mostly defensively. Paul is able to dodge Jamis' final attack because Chani had cued him in before the fight, telling him that Jamis was ambidextrous and basically revealing Jamis' signature move. But no, Paul is not invincible and his prescience is far from complete - if so, there would never have been tension in any fight, or any conflict at all really, thereafter. He is not predicting Jamis' next move - he simply is a better fighter, as he's been trained by both Idaho and Halleck, possibly the two most formidable swordmasters in the Imperium.
@@gluesniffingdude That's how it was in the books. The choreography here shows a difference in how they trained and the prowess Paul had in single combat.
@@machdude3366 I didn't think anything in this scene as DV's interpretation misrepresents the book. Of course it's not explicitly stated that Paul is slower on the attack since that would require internal monologue, but I don't really think there's anything to suggest that Paul knows what Jamis will instant by instant, or the outcome of the fight (and DV chooses to play up Paul's reluctance to kill instead, which is an understandable artistic liberty).
I really wanted to see this movie more than once in IMAX. Ended up not doing so, i still regret it. I hope ill get the chance to watch it with proper audio and visual once more. Such a cinematic masterpiece.
Not a bad death as deaths go. One stab won in fair combat, and the victor holds your hand in respect as you die.
Very painful though, and not very dignified. Much worse than portrayed here but they were going for a PG13 rating so it's understandable and nobody would want to see it anyway
The best moment in this for me is Jamis’s face after the first encounter, he realized Paul isn’t some weak off world we he’s gonna run through, Paul is well trained and could’ve easily dealt him a fatal blow, he realizes hes fighting someone that skills match and possibly even surpasses his own and that he’s gonna have to work just to stay alive, incredible acting by everyone in these movies
The coolest thing about this fight scene is that there are no Hollywood sound mixer effects on when a punch lands or when a knife strikes. It's all just a dull slapping sound. Whether a punch or the final stroke of a knife. This movie is oustanding.
Great scene, well delivered, we choreographed
Such a beautiful movie.
The most epic cinematic experience of my life since lord of the rings. This is truly special.
What a tragic figure Paul is
His wrath makes up for it
try his kid, my friend. The God-Emperor of Dune is tragedy.
@@kvikvu Indeed.
@@jamesthomas7032 who's Paul?
@@jfrom214 Agreides, the character
Jamis' eyes said "you could've done that at any time...thanks"
Such a powerful scene 👌
What an amazing film! I'm so looking forward to the sequels.
The vision Paul had of Jamis teaching him the ways of Arrakis and the fremen came to fruition, just not in the way Paul expected.
If the other movies are this incredible, it could rival lord of the rings for greatest film series.
I think it's apples and oranges. I would like to think that they stand beside each other, for their own reasons-- if the others hold up.