Thanks for watching all! Let me know down here in the comments what things you love and/or hate about FS2020! Don't forget to use the following timestamps to navigate through this video: ***** 👇 - TIMESTAMPS! - 👇 ****** - 👉 Introduction: 0:00 - 👉 RDPresets FS2020 Guide: 0:09 - 👉 Point of this video: 0:44 ❗❗ HATES ❗❗ - 👉 Hate #1 - Performance: 1:12 - 👉 Hate #2 - Autogen & Scenery popping: 2:32 - 👉 Hate #3 - Weather Delay: 3:28 - 👉 Hate #4 - Aircraft too sensitive: 4:58 - 👉 Hate #5 - No seasonal variety in ground textures: 6:18 - 👉 Hate #6 - Poor airliners & IFR instruments: 7:54 - 👉 Hate #7 - Control & Camera setup: 9:27 - 👉 Hate #8 - Missing Airports & lack of details: 10:15 - 👉 Hate #9 - Inaccurate AI buildings: 11:59 - 👉 Hate #10 - Old Scenery & Missing AI structures: 12:42 - 👉 Hate #11 - Missing simulation elements: 14:01 - 👉 Hate #12 - Missing particle effects: 15:52 ✔️✔️ LOVES ✔️✔️ - 👉 Love #1 - Atmosphere & Clouds: 16:57 - 👉 Love #2 - Sunset & Sunrise: 18:03 - 👉 Love #3 - Advanced Air Dynamics & Icing: 19:00 - 👉 Love #4 - Winter Wonderland: 20:19 - 👉 Love #5 - Night lighting: 20:52 - 👉 Love #6 - The Sound System: 22:02 - 👉 Love #7 - Ground Textures & sharpness: 24:52 - 👉 Love #8 - Fullness of Scenery: 25:50 - 👉 Love #9 - High Quality Cockpit textures: 26:28 - 👉 Love #10 - Smoothness: 27:17 - 👉 Love #11 - Multiplayer: 28:45 - 👉 Love #12 - Adventurous simming: 29:56 - 👉 Outro & Future: 31:16
Thank you very much for this video, for me it was very interesting to watch. I guess i will mainly stay on P3D/XP11 for at least one more year, but MSFS2020 is a great platform for the future and i'm very happy about the current state of addon development, i didnt expect to get good addons so soon after release!
I have to agree with many of the other users here, lots of your comments are founded on a lack of knowledge about the sim. I have watched and enjoyed many of your videos in the past but this is not your forte. In addition your loves and hates in many cases cancel each other out. And as Sean Monout mentioned you really need more Ram to get better performance. I run a 1080Ti with an Intel 9700K and 32GB Ram with no popping at all. Many of your issues were also addressed in the recent update, and again as someone else said, you have rushed this out to make some sort of point. Missing airports.... MSFS comes with 74 handcrafted airports that are brilliant, if that was all this product included it would still be fantastic value. But there's a lot more to it than that and I believe within 12 months it will look a lot different to the original release. Aircraft Sensitivity... have you adjusted the settings? There are far more to adjust as in fact you mentioned. Control and Camera Setup... More options to setup than any other current sim...its complexity is a benefit not a negative. Inaccurate AI Buildings.... There are more buildings and handcrafted cities than any other current sim. The effect of flying over any city is also better than any other sim. It includes the entire world at an unprecedented level of detail. Sure there are Inaccurate AI Buildings, what do you want for this sort of price? Have you seen what the default world of P3D, FSX and even X-Plane, (which is better than most) looks like. There are practically no accurate AI Buildings in any of them by default. Please stick to VatSim videos in the future, that's something you know about!
Well I would say, come on guys and chill out, isn't it OK anymore to just share some thoughts based on personal experience? Yes, I wish I could have spent more time with this sim, but due to real life flight training activities this is simply not possible. I could have indeed spent hours on the AVSIM forums reading about fixes and little mods etc., but that doesn't mean I have to... let alone can. I can simply share some opinions on how I'm experiencing the sim as it is right now, right? If in your view some things are incorrect, please share! We are all here to learn. So please point everyone here to those fixes and things that in your view are not correct in this video, that helps a lot more than just trying to force someone not to publish a video, because that's outright nuts. I really don't see why I'm not 'allowed' to publish a video about some honest opinions, that are really just there so that the sim will hopefully be even better in the future. Just because it's a new release, and just because it's indeed an amazing sim out of the box, doesn't mean things can improve here and there. Why not voice those opinions? Sure, disagree with them, and please voice why and how so it can be added to the discussion. And no, many of these items have not been fixed yet. Perhaps in future patches yes, that's what this video is all about! Maybe they never will, that's fine too! People who enjoy this sim in it's current state won't be bothered by it... The RAM thing, don't worry, I have added more so it's 32 GB now :). But does that mean everyone will have 32 GB at their disposal? No... Don't assume everyone can have 32 GB of RAM in their system or can run it with top notch specs. Handcrafted airports are great, but the point was that many military/civilian airfields are simply missing completely due to the way the AI rendering works. Have fun diverting to EHEH and EDDS on VATSIM, you'll be landing on a grass strip. Aircraft sensitivity: yes, I have adjusted the settings, as said in the video, but this doesn't solve the problem. A certain small amount of physical rudder input (as checked in the external view, irregardless of your controls setup) leads to a huge output, again as said in the video. Inaccurate buildings: yes, again, this sim is great out of the box. But why not voice this opinion? Wouldn't it be great if Blackshark AI improves in the future so that at least things like stadiums and Cathedrals look more genuine? Wouldn't it be great to have more VFR objects like power lines, proper bridges, water tanks etc. so VFR navigation becomes even better? I sure think it would... The point I'm making is this: I'm generally a very positive minded person. If you have watched the VATSIM videos on this channel before, you will know that. I'm just voicing these opinions so that the sim will hopefully be even better. I don't care when and how, let's just see how it goes! It's not like I'm trying to bash everything. I am thoroughly enjoying this sim, and I can't wait to see what the future will holds. Until then, every opinion on the matter will help!
So what I'm getting is. you love and hate a lot of the same things about this game. So I'm going to surmise that it's a really good start to a brand new SIM? But my real question is do you think it up hill or down hill from here? Worth the investment?
Sitting on the ramp at KMIA watching the live traffic taking off and landing, while listening to LiveATC and hearing those same aircraft calling in, and then looking at flightaware to see where they are going.... blew my mind!!
There is a Third Party flight recorder and replay that is in the works, it is in Beta testing. It opperates very much like the Third Party Flight Recorder for FSX
@@AUSTIN12345631 The product that is in Beta testing for MSFS2020 is called Flightcontrolreplay. It was produced first for FSX, and P3D. There are RUclips videos demonstrating how it works.
How they released MSFS without replay is infuriating. It has been an aspect of Flight Simulator since before FS98. Standard on X-Plane too. I will give Asobo great applause when they get it done, but for now... I am soooo pissed about this lapse.
I think another huge plus about MSFS2020 is its accessibility to new simmers. I've been wanting to get XPlane or Prepar3d, but honestly it always intimidated me with the complexity of everything. Obviously a simulation of elaborate machines is going to be this way, but I felt like MSFS had enough handholding for me to feel comfortable diving in. I've learned so much about aviation, and it is certainly becoming a new passion of mine. I think we'll start to see a small renaissance of flight simming with MSFS, especially once it hits the Xbox.
I completely agree. I knew very little about how to pilot a plane before this game released. It was easy to take more and more on as I went and can successfully do IFR flights now (well GPS guided ones anyway) and even understand what people are talking about when they talk about specific deficiencies in the avionics in the sim (thank you google and online manuals and tutorials). I'm very excited to not only see what MS does to improve it as time goes on. I'm also almost excited enough about flying to start taking lessons.
I understand what you’re talking about. The other flight sim you’re learning how to install thousands of addons and learn how to use them before you really enjoy the flying. I’m same as you so I gave up those flight sim and now I’m really enjoy MSFS and will not touch the addons any more other then the official one. The worst thing is those addons sometimes not only crashing your flight sim but your whole computer system.
I had a great experience. Bought a new 172 in fseconomy and had to fly out from Illinois to California. THAT was an incredible journey. I had another player (no names displayed) follow me for 200 miles from small town Nebraska to Denver Colorado, parking right next to me. Couldn't turn on names without pausing the sim, and as such had no way to contact him without ruining formation
The most disappointing thing about MS Flight Simulator 2020 is the fact that the Standard Edition only comes preloaded with one single planet: Earth. You can't fly to the Moon, you can't fly to Mars or Jupiter... only old boring Earth!
I hear the criticism that it feels like it was rushed out the door. While this is certainly true, I don't think it's a valid criticism because I would rather have it on my computer now in its current state, than wait 6-9 months for a finished product. But if 6-9 months go by and they haven't fixed the autopilots, then I'll be upset. One pleasant surprise is that I get a much higher frame rate than on X-plane with comparable settings.
To which X-Plane version are you comparing this, 11.41 or the newly released 11.50 (September 10, 2020)? I’m using both MSFS and X-Plane, and I have much better FPS (25 to 40 FPS higher in C172 G1000) in X-Plane 11.50.
@@CharlesDSmith-mv7zi I have 11.50 with the Vulkan, which didn't help much. I should point out that my graphics card is better than my CPU which may explain my results w/ X-plane.
I also love how it introduced a lot of new people to simulation. Like me. A lot of the newcomers mostly mess around, and that’s fine. And others like me have learned so much about flying an airplane that I would’ve otherwise never learned.
How about: - The crappy installation process. - The must have dvd in drive for boxed version (it's 2020). - Bridges are solid and even when they aren't you might be running into a wall. - The half arsed checklists that often just let you start the engine. Editting them is a pain as the focus option makes it complicated to do. - The multiplayer part that is missing communication between players or being able to hear other players vs atc. - The announced cooperation with vatsim which turns out to be just the same integration that all other sims have. - No ultra lights, gliders or choppers. I still enjoy the sim and I know it is going to grow. But if you ain't a fanatic, you might be better of to wait before buying and get more content for less money.
Erik Willems Agree with you, the start check list in the Cessna 152 is as you say is not fit for purpose, the first problem I had was they have not modelled the fuel on/off on the floor, one of the first things on the check list, so while i was trying to figure that out I kept getting that annoying reminder " Press ctrl and E to start your engine, I kept shouting " No Way "
@@ronholfly Do other sims even ahve such a helping checklist that teaches beginners on such a beautiful way how to get past cold&dark? Cmon guys you are really not even trying to give it a chance.
@@quecksilber457 Yes it is OK it's just I'm trying to get my head round it, I try not to use short cut keys after all in real life you flick a switch or turn a knob and spin the trim wheel, I've got all those panels etc so I am slowly getting on top of it.
When you "freeze" the game, not just the environment keeps moving but also the physics. For example your aircraft speed speed or drag keeps simulating, so as soon as you continue the plane might stall / overspeed / turn around etc !
Sorry, I have a question: What is a true sim? And no, neither P3D nor XP11 are true sims, they are games as well. Please define the "true sim" Thank you
@@akst3000 umm, FAA certified flight schools use FAA certified simulators for training. They use X-Plane and P3D in their simulators. Is MSFS certified by the FAA for flight schools?
@@CharlesDSmith-mv7zi we are talking about the GAMES, run on PC's. FAA certified simulators are a different story. I don't think that the X-Plane mobile app for example will certify you to become a pilot, right?
andddd i am just done with my first "successful" flight on VATSIM, ATC was extra nice and it was amazing! I would like to thank you for your very helpful tutorials, I literally watched at least 75% of them haha, I also made sure to thank the ATC (just like you did in your tutorials :)))) Edit: Awww he actually replied :0
I cant bring myself to do a flight due to not understanding depature, arrival and vectoring. How it all works. Everytime I go to watch some videos It just loses me. Super complicated.
I wanted to thank you for all your tutorials before they helped me so much in VATSIM. I really appreciate all your effort by making your legacy these longer videos
I don't have this autogen popping, but I also have a 250 Mbps line... :D For the over sensitivity of the planes, I've lowered the sensitivity of my flight controls to -50%, that made flying for me way better.
I see a lot of people complaining about the flight dynamics, and maybe it's because I only really fly the 172, but as a PPL student, I think the flight dynamics are pretty accurate to real life.
This is my gripe as well. Many people who have never set foot in a plane beyond economy class complains about dynamics they know absolutely nothing about... because Sim X Y and Z "feels" different, so MSFS must be wrong, isn't a valid reason. I don't have much experience at all, so I don't really have a right to comment, but from what I've heard, you eco the sentiment of other people who actually fly some of these planes. Yes, the big ones boys are a bit out of whack, but apart from some sensitivity issues you can change via settings, most of the comments I heard about GA is that the model is pretty accurate.
The built in ATC is a special kind of ridiculous, especially when combined with autopilot/navigation bugs. Missed approach? Get about 500 instructions from ATC in a loop, only stopping after completely cycling the AP. 800nm trip in the TBM, using a preselected flight plan, only to find that it was truncated somewhere and parts were replaced with a waypoint called USER. So after that missed approach, there was no way of continueing using the AP for anything because it insisted on sending me back 200nm into the desert. Good thing I could still land VFR because live weather didn't work either.
I really don't know how they would make a realistic emulation of the changing seasons, the colours of the trees, the fields and all that. The visuals are still based on one season when the aerial photos have been taken, mainly summer and they'd have to model seasonal changes all around the world taking account different environments, forest types especially. Such a complex system that I don't believe any programmer or visual artist could mimic in a sim at least in a realistic way. And during winter you should have a very realistic emulation of snow coverage with the real time weather.
I guess it could be possible via some sort of deep learning algorithm - trained on some smaller data sets of multi-season aerial shots from a range of climates. But I doubt it would be practical or even very convincing.
The scenery needs lot more work to do, churches, cathedrals, forts, temples, stadiums, monuments, sculptures, railway stations. And more weather effects, like tornado, sandstorm, hail, fog, Tyndall effect, raging sea, and etc. Of course, season changes, fly over colorful autumn valley would be lovely.
I hadn't seen ypu earlier and I simply loved the way you show up the different subjects in your presentation, sharp and neat, crystal clear. and a very inteligible English. I'm suscribing right now. I am building up a brand new PC but some crucial pieces are still retained who knows where and have not arrived yet... all of that to be able to try FS2020... so whatever comments, tutorials and suggestions are welcome! So, THANKS A LOT!
One observation about aircraft sensitivity - #4. I discovered it does not seems to be an issue with the flight model but rather an issue with joystick calibration (in my case Logitech Force 3D PRO). I found it is off after every restart of the sim. My routine now is to start with a visit to to controls setting and my joystick sensitivity section after every fresh start of the sim and wiggle the stick in all axes to their limit positions. This procedure seems to calibrate the stick. I save the settings and proceed to my flight. After this procedure all controls seems to be reacting more gently and appropriately. Happy flying!
Thank you very much for a great detailed review on the new MSFS. After listening to your review and several others on RUclips, it really doesn’t sound great. Comparing it with X-Plane 11 what I currently use, it sounds like MSFS has better graphics and that’s it. It just doesn’t sound like it’s setting the world alight. I would definitely buy it in the future once it has been improved and the reviews get better but for now I’ll stick with X-Plane 11 where I enjoying flying helicopters, GA and Business jets. Thank you 🙂🚁🛩
Took me about 2 weeks to get it completely loaded. Started using it yesterday. While the scenery is great the flight models are iffy. Xplane 11 with XR Realistic add-on is definitely more fun to fly at this point.
Its now December and I have just got a gaming PC and FS2020. A week of tuning and adjusting the settings to my liking and its amazing! If it never got any better than this with anymore patches I will still be totally satisfied.
Add-On airplanes is key. I play both X-plane and FS2020. My only wish is they create an airliner just the Zibo-737 in X-plane. Unfortunately FS2020 is not there yet, what it has right now is some good eye candy!
There are two different modes of Pause. The Active Pause which is kind of a silly feature and is the default setting, and then there is the regular Pause that needs to be bound manually in settings. Just thought you should know. Great video BTW.
Thanks for this overview AP. As you've mentioned already FS is in the startup phase of the project. I'm sure there will be a number of enhancements in the future to optimize the sim. Even though I haven't bought FS2020 yet I'm getting a clearer view of what to expect. My overall feeling is that this sim performs better (out of the box) than previous ones. There are already many informative (and fairly reliable) video comparisons out there and I'm sure yours will contribute a lot. Good luck with your training and happy landings ;-)
Interesting, I simply adjusted rudder sensitivity in the Sim and it's been very good since then. This may be down to the rudder hardware some people are using.
My rig is under minimum specs but still gives good results on mainly medium settings:-ASUS M5A78L/usb3 motherboard,NVIDIA 1050 TI graphics card,AMD FX 8350 CPU,32 GB ram,750 watt PSU.In the southern UK satellite data is AT LEAST 28 YEARS OLD,Microsoft informed me today that they are going to work on specific word areas untill all of the world has been updated.What they don't do is commit to providing more recent satellite data which is crucial for VFR and particularly young pilots looking for landmarks they can recognise...................................
The funny thing about performance and optimisation is that 15 year old kids who bought the latest 3080 at $1200 from a scalper using their daddy's credit card, use MSFS as a benchmark for their gpu without even appreciating or understanding the requirements for flight simming. They could be playing ace combat 7 and would thing it's the exact same thing.
Great vid. Thanks for that. One "hate" I would like to add: European motorways aren't illuminated (exception: Belgium), so the night is far too bright. They should've put light cones of the cars headlights or some sort of glowing on it. Adding to one of your "hates"... I think big structures like power plants, radio towers etc should have been crafted. It doesnt has to be the original one, but one out of a variety. Currently there are strange cylinders rising to the sky. I think adding seasons isn't too much of a deal. Just lay a filter on the ground texture, depending on the weather / temperature a more muddy, more snowy or completely snowy one. Depending on the time of last snowfall you can even spare out roads (as they would've been cleared in the meantime) or let the whole countryside be sticken under a snow cover. Perhaps they can do it till winter. "They" did it in Red Dead Redemption 2 too...
If you examine the aircraft.cfg files you will note that there is a comment field named "wip" with a parameter indicating the progress status -1 not done, 0 first pass, 1 second pass, 2 completed... Not a single one of the 30 models in the Premium Deluxe version are marked with a 2, meaning that all remain as "work in progress."
you should really stream some flights, i love your streams and how in depth you are, and you arent boring like most streamers in the cruise phase, really love your content keep up the good stuff, also how is your flight training going?
Excellent video, this version of MSFS is the only one I haven't bought yet but I am very impressed with what I have seen in the videos of it. I can claim to have been flight siming since about 1985 so I have seen a lot of changes in that time. This latest version seems very dynamic, which hopefully means that it will get better and better over time. Thanks for taking the time to not only tell us your pet hates and loves but to give us examples.
I'm surprised the lack of support for a true multi-monitor setup is not in the hates. While you can drive 3 monitors they must be flat rather than angled (I use 65 deg angle of the side monitors with respect to the center monitor) or you will see terrible distortion in the side monitors. In X-Plane you can configure each monitor's field of view as well as the off-axis angle which produces realistic 'looking out the side windows' views.
In my opinion, based on some of the dislikes, this simulator was rushed to release before addressing the important items that are important in the simulator. I can live with some of the dislikes, but the important ones, such as the performance and the IFR systems in commercial airliners, for me and other simmers those are important elements. That's why I wasn't in a rush to buy FS 2020. I'll give it about another year or so before buying it.
That was a brilliant presentation. I fly for a major U.S. carrier (737-8s) and based on your pros and cons would not invest in 2020 because of your criticisms of the flight dynamics and avionics in this class of aircraft. I find X-plane's free Zibo mod add-on astonishingly realistic. I suppose , also, I'm not that impressed with the eye candy given the bare-bones graphics in a Level-D sim. And it goes without saying that as impressive as its clouds and sunsets appear, Monet himself couldn't capture the pulse-quickening canvass nature puts before you and that is one of the best parts of the job. I've been using the Zibo Mod with my son to introduce him to flow, CRM, briefings, etc. I don't see anything in 2020 that comes close to approximating the workload demanded when flying more complex aircraft. Granted, there are two types of enthusiasts who invest in these sims: those who participate as they would in a game and those who use it to advance their understanding and skills for real-world flying. For the former, given time Microsoft should work out the bugs that would have me pulling my hair out. When they finally nail it, it should be a steal at the price.
There is actually a true pause in the sim but it's not bound by default. If you go into the key binds you will see options for Pause on and Pause off, bind those and you will have a true pause that acts the same as when you press ESC but without the menu popping up.
Been at this nearly 40 yrs and never have I been this excited for flightsimming. Through alpha testing to release the progress was amazing. I'm confident that the issues will be addressed in time. I do feel for those that had install issues, that shouldn't have happened.
Ok I almost agree , but you seem to be a real pilot. I am a RC-Pilot and love FS for 38 years or so. So I suck in IFR but I am good in acrobatics. I just enjoy the scenery and try stunts I would never try in real life. With real life I mean my 2,5 meter wingspan Pits S2A witch took me 1,5 year to build. It is all balsa wood and silk . I enjoy bush flying (STOL) and doing crazy stuff like flying beneath the Eifel Tower. I love my Pits S2S Coffee-Mill in 3rd person and don't even miss a glass cockpit. This is no rant just another perspective . Keep flying have fun :)
You need to change your control sensitivities for your yoke/joystick. You need to add some dead zones and decrease the sensitivity to around -45%. It’s not the sim that is the problem. It’s your control sensitivity settings which are fully adjustable.
As said in the video, unfortunately that does not solve the problem. It has nothing to do with joystick sensitivity. A very small rudder deflection (as checked in the external view) leads to a huge yawing moment, even at low speeds. This is not realistic.
38 dislikes by Asobo, Microsoft FANBOYS!!!!,, This was a good honest non biased review!!!.. and the first review I've seen that doesn't gloss over the facts about a BETA that should never have been released in it's current state..
The sim is beautiful, no doubt about it. However the first thing I noticed was the DA40 NG (a 155 ktas aircraft per the POH and my experience) listed and modeled as a max cruise 125 ktas aircraft (that's its cruise speed at 14,000 ft and 60% power i.e. economy cruise). Then I found it has a roll rate like an aerobatic aircraft and systems listed as InOp that in the real world would scrub the flight (all of the electronic engine control switches and the runup button). This means you really can't even do procedural training in this sim. At this point it kind of seemed more like a google earth simulator with a generic trainer aircraft model rather than an aviation sim. Maybe that's too harsh, but there's a lot lacking in the aircraft models.
May 2022. I agree with your points. I stopped playing MS 2020 simulator because of the problems I've had with my joystick; very difficult to configure and it doesn't do what I want it to while flying! I can only fly a Cessna to feel that I can control the airplane. And I bought a second joystick and a pretty good computer system. Maybe after listening to your channel I will start up again. I'm not a pilot but I certainly love aviation and want to be inside a "virtual reality" to experience being a virtual pilot.
Need a way to set default pilot seat position. The current default is too close to the panel. Constantly have to "zoom" away after looking left or right when returning to the default forward view. Hopefully this will be something that will be easily accomplished with something like a "VRConfig" file once VR is implemented.
I agree. Especially with the airliners. I fly a 737 in real life. If you can fly one Boeing you can figure out the others easily enough. The 787 has been extremely frustrating. The MCDU is missing a lot of crucial functions or it does not function properly. The HUD needs to be changed and it also needs the flight director on it. There are a lot of features that I enjoyed in FS2004 and FSX that are not there. I miss the Wide screen 'W' and the 'Shift-Z' function as well. It comes in handy for takeoff and landing. I would like for them to have the HUD in 'W' and the Shift-Z app. It has a lot of work to do before its considered broken in like Xplane or earlier FS versions have been. I will do GA aircraft in FS2020 for now to just fly around and enjoy scenery. But if I want to do long airliner flights, I will use Xplane 11 until they get FS2020 figured out better.
A really well rounded review and video, just spot on. As a long time simmer myself, I emphasise with you on all points. I couldn't have said it better myself. A sim for the future perhaps, as you say, and I really hope so. Definitely so much potential, but also lots to already love about its advances. I really pray for much more love towards and development on its downfalls. Really great video, you've captured all the things I've been thinking and feeling. Thanks for sharing!
About Hate#3 that's actually VATSIM's problem to use outsourced info instead of in-game ones. There will always be delays on streamed stuff. It's just a matter of how the whole process works. They can't saturate every single airport's info provider (can't remember which ones they use) bandwidht to get info updated in a matter of seconds. It will never happen so just make a habit of it
I really dig fs2020, with one detail to remark on: controller problems, more specifically, rudder sensitivity. Currently, if you use any handheld controller, the rudder is completely unusable. Considering this is a product designed to be available on the xbox, the controller rudder issue is unacceptable. Not all of us want to drop $600 on controller hardware to access the sim. This needs to be fixed ASAP.
One thing that irritates me is that in FSX you could hit the Alt key and adjust any setting, view the map, get frequencys, pause, make a new flight plan, anything you wanted to do to shape the simulation. FS2020 is currently super limited in that aspect, frustrating. We'll see how that changes in the near future.
Well done. Helpful and comprehensive criticism. I hope the developers watch and take heed. You nailed the strength of the sim: VFR flying in small GA aircraft. There is no other sim that even comes close. They put the fun back into flying.
Veel succes nog op je Flight Training! Hoop dat je terug komt wanneer je weer vrije tijd hebt. En anders zie ik je wel terug in de cockpit op real life vluchten 😜
I feel that FS2020 was a bit rushed out of the door. The aircraft in FS2020 don't have very good flight models, especially the jets, which have bugged autopilots and some INOP systems. And don't forget the oversensitivity of the controls. X Plane 11's default 737 has more cockpit functionality than FS2020's default A320neo. However, there are a few exceptions, like the C152, which are modeled very well and the flight model is better than X Plane. And, next, there is no replay mode, like seriously? The scenery is simply awesome, but the road vehicles sometimes behave very weirdly lol. This is a well-done video speaking about both the negatives and the positives of FS2020. Let's give FS2020 some time to fix these bugs. Once it matures, I have the feeling that it can be a true simulator.
I totally see this sim as a WIP, with tons of potential. I'm liking what I'm seeing, and I am especially enjoying VFR low-and-slow in a taildragger out in the wilderness. The future is bright for this sim, and I am happily along for the ride. : )
I must admit I haven't had any problems with the performance and on a very modest machine too. With a Ryzen 5 3600x, GTX 1660super and 32gb ram I'm running mostly high settings with some super with no perceptible frame stutter. Overall I've been very happy with that.... The sensitivity though, woof. I've crashed numerous times while landing airliners because of the weird flight model, where the tiniest input and some wind results in a 45-degree bank faster than I can counteract it or when I try to flare slightly, the aircraft pitches up violently and I end up floating halfway down the runway, despite being well below the ref speed. The autopilot is also atrocious. I've found that the autogen airports have few or no guidance signs, making it impossible to navigate on the ground without charts or ribbons to help. It's definitely disappointing. I hope they can sort these issues out sooner rather than later.
i think it is worth buying the full package @ 120USD because these airplanes can be tweaked (like the 737zibo in xplane). microsoft didn't encrypt the config files for the aircraft so all that can be fixed with patches. as i tell any sim fan, right now in it's current state, msfs2020 is good for GA sight seeing and exploring. for realism, esp with airliners, xplane11 still is, and will remain, king for the foreseeable future.
I joined a virtual airline. Doing bush flights in Alaska. Scenery most of the time looks like it was FS2002, wind is at 3kts, my Caravan is burning fuel like crazy but this sim still feels and looks too good to go back to P3D or Xplane. Once they will go thru all major bugs it will be a no brainer.
This comment right here. Just go back and look at bug lists for the other sims after launch day. These are just teething problems, once they iron out all the kinks, this is going to be the best sim for years to come while the other teams play catchup.
Like #13 People are talking about flight sim again, including you. Lots of comments/video help. And I finally get a chance to thank you for your splendid review of the iFly 747. Do you miss it?
Haha true! Ah well, no, the PMDG V3 is better after all, but I had some good times with the iFly! Especially an Atlantic crossing at night from Chicago to Amsterdam :)
The reason the small flight surface control deflections lack accuracy is partly due to lag and stutter in my opinion . Performance is improving slowly with the updates. Ie if you want big movements less accuracy needed but small movements then more accuracy needed
Yes, I like your opinion on FS2020, I mainly fly general aviation aircraft and will wait for third party airplanes and airliners to come in the sim, PMDG and Aerosoft. I also think FS2020 is the future for flight sim given a year. Happy flying!
Duidelijke en eerlijke video. Ik zie dat ik nog een half jaar tot een jaar geduld moet hebben voor ik een 3090 systeem bouw en voor de volle 200% in deze sim ga stappen. Hij is nog niet helemaal af en de beleving zal groter zijn als al deze kinder ziektes er uit zijn en ik een systeem heb die alles wel smooth op 4k ultra draait. Bedankt voor deze leerzame video 👍
MSFS is (unfurtunatily)not only designed for airplane enthousiast, but also for gamers who normally play games like GTA Warcraft or Call Of Duty. That the reason why there is also a X-box version. That's the reason for example it's difficult to set up your contols with quallity hardware. It's initially designed for X Box controllers,
When i first saw the MSFS trailer i was shocked by the graphics. I was thinking of upgrading my system and get it, but looks like to have all settings in Max without killing performance you need a computer like the once used by DreamWorks or Pixar.
Wow, very critical review. I don't disagree that these things aren't perfect, but I do disagree that they're not things you'll *hate* while using the sim. 'Hate' is too strong a word to use for the mostly minor complaints you've presented.
Microsoft definitely prioritized immersion and created an incredible environment to fly in. But they neglected the aircraft and user interface as you stated. It’s still a great sim to do some VFR and we are definitely spoiled to have MSFS 2020 and X-Plane 11. I still love X-Plane. VR in X-Plane with the realistic modeled physics is still second to none. MSFS for fun and sight seeing and X-Plane 11 for realism and VR.
Thanx for your comment ....All videos I have seen, have shown popup tags when hovering the mousepointer over flightinstruments....is there no way you can switch this off?
Some great points you discuss here. My big thing is the lack of a detailed map. You would think that with Bing maps setting the scenery that we would have a better in SIM map with detailed airport information. I think FSX had a better map than FS2020.
The first thing I hate: This video starts with a 3rd party PAID guide that explains how to use the program and how to change settings fpr best performance. Because there is no manual included with this program. Hate is a big word, yes. And accurate.
Will you be making a full switch to MSFS soon? I’m thinking about upgrading to v5 but would prefer to save my money if the future is with MSFS. I personally think P3d will never come close to the level of realism that can be reached with MSFS. Graphics and clouds alone blow P3d away for me. Just wanna know your thought :)
The performance is not an issue, and it's way better than other sims with the same amount of visual fidelity. Keep in mind that at low settings it still looks better than X-plane at high settings. And has higher fps at those settings. The bar just went up, so it looks better and the result is it requires better hardware.
I showed my non Simmer buddy the FS2020 vs XP11 screenshots and his first comments were that XP11 graphics looks like Kerbal Space Program... I actually had to agree with him. The planes look great, but the world looks like utter crap.
Which version of X-PLANE are you comparing it to? In X-Plane 11.50, I get 25-40 FPS higher in the C172 G1000 at maximum settings than I do in MSFS at medium settings. The only difference is eye candy, and I get the “steam gauge” C172 for free in x-plane. I have to buy the delux version of MSFS to get it there.
I'm a DCS pilot ( and many hours in a "real" 172) I haven't dipped into MSFS 2020 yet but wondered if you can set up response curves to make axis commands more realistic?
i have to agree with the live weather. i have been storm chasing and never seem to find full storms with lightning there are maps that show real clouds and give real time lightning strikes using radar. would be nice to have this added also into the live weather for realistic storms and live lightning. the only way i can see lightning in the sim is by changing the presets but then its not live. just wondering if anyone has come across a storm and lightning with the live weather. and yes even in europe we have a delay also with the live weather. great video.
this is such a fantastic list. regarding the missing airports, my local airport is one of them. it seems like a minor point but it’s really immersion breaking.
I had a shock when I took an FSEconomy job and couldn't find the airport via search, so I grabbed the GPS location off Google Maps, and sure enough, it was one of the "Tree'd Out" ones, Stuttgart iirc. I used Slew mode to place myself on a section where the runway should be, without trees in the way and checked that FSEconomy recognised my position as being at the correct airport. Took off and completed the flight without any further issues. Silly though.
Just got this sim as a present and the first thing I found was it would not run on my old PC so that involved an expensive replacement. This came with no disc drive as most gaming machines do nowadays but the damn thing would not run until I had inserted the "game disc" so I then had to buy an external disc drive. Then you have to install individual aircraft which is an additional time consuming pain but when I eventually did get everything and running what joy, NO! One of the things I loved about the old Microsoft Flight sim was being able to take of and land at even quite small airports and recognise local features. Went to Edinburgh (EPGH) and it could have been anywhere in the world with no recognisable features. The old (2004) version had an accurate representation of the two forth bridges and local features like Murryfield stadium and the castle so this was a huge disappointment. Let's hope their are lots of upgrades in the pipeline as this is far from perfect or even good.
MSFS took out Schoonover Airport (Tusi Heliport as well) at Fort Hunter Liggett and CA74 Skydive California Airport. They were in the beta. Schoonover was mislabeled as King City Airport though... weird.
Thanks for watching all! Let me know down here in the comments what things you love and/or hate about FS2020! Don't forget to use the following timestamps to navigate through this video:
***** 👇 - TIMESTAMPS! - 👇 ******
- 👉 Introduction: 0:00
- 👉 RDPresets FS2020 Guide: 0:09
- 👉 Point of this video: 0:44
❗❗ HATES ❗❗
- 👉 Hate #1 - Performance: 1:12
- 👉 Hate #2 - Autogen & Scenery popping: 2:32
- 👉 Hate #3 - Weather Delay: 3:28
- 👉 Hate #4 - Aircraft too sensitive: 4:58
- 👉 Hate #5 - No seasonal variety in ground textures: 6:18
- 👉 Hate #6 - Poor airliners & IFR instruments: 7:54
- 👉 Hate #7 - Control & Camera setup: 9:27
- 👉 Hate #8 - Missing Airports & lack of details: 10:15
- 👉 Hate #9 - Inaccurate AI buildings: 11:59
- 👉 Hate #10 - Old Scenery & Missing AI structures: 12:42
- 👉 Hate #11 - Missing simulation elements: 14:01
- 👉 Hate #12 - Missing particle effects: 15:52
✔️✔️ LOVES ✔️✔️
- 👉 Love #1 - Atmosphere & Clouds: 16:57
- 👉 Love #2 - Sunset & Sunrise: 18:03
- 👉 Love #3 - Advanced Air Dynamics & Icing: 19:00
- 👉 Love #4 - Winter Wonderland: 20:19
- 👉 Love #5 - Night lighting: 20:52
- 👉 Love #6 - The Sound System: 22:02
- 👉 Love #7 - Ground Textures & sharpness: 24:52
- 👉 Love #8 - Fullness of Scenery: 25:50
- 👉 Love #9 - High Quality Cockpit textures: 26:28
- 👉 Love #10 - Smoothness: 27:17
- 👉 Love #11 - Multiplayer: 28:45
- 👉 Love #12 - Adventurous simming: 29:56
- 👉 Outro & Future: 31:16
Thank you very much for this video, for me it was very interesting to watch. I guess i will mainly stay on P3D/XP11 for at least one more year, but MSFS2020 is a great platform for the future and i'm very happy about the current state of addon development, i didnt expect to get good addons so soon after release!
FYI, there is a true pause feature. It isn't mapped by default, but is in the options and can be mapped.
I have to agree with many of the other users here, lots of your comments are founded on a lack of knowledge about the sim. I have watched and enjoyed many of your videos in the past but this is not your forte.
In addition your loves and hates in many cases cancel each other out. And as Sean Monout mentioned you really need more Ram to get better performance. I run a 1080Ti with an Intel 9700K and 32GB Ram with no popping at all.
Many of your issues were also addressed in the recent update, and again as someone else said, you have rushed this out to make some sort of point.
Missing airports.... MSFS comes with 74 handcrafted airports that are brilliant, if that was all this product included it would still be fantastic value. But there's a lot more to it than that and I believe within 12 months it will look a lot different to the original release.
Aircraft Sensitivity... have you adjusted the settings? There are far more to adjust as in fact you mentioned.
Control and Camera Setup... More options to setup than any other current sim...its complexity is a benefit not a negative.
Inaccurate AI Buildings.... There are more buildings and handcrafted cities than any other current sim. The effect of flying over any city is also better than any other sim. It includes the entire world at an unprecedented level of detail. Sure there are Inaccurate AI Buildings, what do you want for this sort of price?
Have you seen what the default world of P3D, FSX and even X-Plane, (which is better than most) looks like. There are practically no accurate AI Buildings in any of them by default.
Please stick to VatSim videos in the future, that's something you know about!
Well I would say, come on guys and chill out, isn't it OK anymore to just share some thoughts based on personal experience? Yes, I wish I could have spent more time with this sim, but due to real life flight training activities this is simply not possible. I could have indeed spent hours on the AVSIM forums reading about fixes and little mods etc., but that doesn't mean I have to... let alone can. I can simply share some opinions on how I'm experiencing the sim as it is right now, right? If in your view some things are incorrect, please share! We are all here to learn. So please point everyone here to those fixes and things that in your view are not correct in this video, that helps a lot more than just trying to force someone not to publish a video, because that's outright nuts.
I really don't see why I'm not 'allowed' to publish a video about some honest opinions, that are really just there so that the sim will hopefully be even better in the future. Just because it's a new release, and just because it's indeed an amazing sim out of the box, doesn't mean things can improve here and there. Why not voice those opinions? Sure, disagree with them, and please voice why and how so it can be added to the discussion.
And no, many of these items have not been fixed yet. Perhaps in future patches yes, that's what this video is all about! Maybe they never will, that's fine too! People who enjoy this sim in it's current state won't be bothered by it...
The RAM thing, don't worry, I have added more so it's 32 GB now :). But does that mean everyone will have 32 GB at their disposal? No...
Don't assume everyone can have 32 GB of RAM in their system or can run it with top notch specs.
Handcrafted airports are great, but the point was that many military/civilian airfields are simply missing completely due to the way the AI rendering works.
Have fun diverting to EHEH and EDDS on VATSIM, you'll be landing on a grass strip.
Aircraft sensitivity: yes, I have adjusted the settings, as said in the video, but this doesn't solve the problem. A certain small amount of physical rudder input (as checked in the external view, irregardless of your controls setup) leads to a huge output, again as said in the video.
Inaccurate buildings: yes, again, this sim is great out of the box. But why not voice this opinion? Wouldn't it be great if Blackshark AI improves in the future so that at least things like stadiums and Cathedrals look more genuine? Wouldn't it be great to have more VFR objects like power lines, proper bridges, water tanks etc. so VFR navigation becomes even better? I sure think it would...
The point I'm making is this: I'm generally a very positive minded person. If you have watched the VATSIM videos on this channel before, you will know that. I'm just voicing these opinions so that the sim will hopefully be even better. I don't care when and how, let's just see how it goes! It's not like I'm trying to bash everything. I am thoroughly enjoying this sim, and I can't wait to see what the future will holds. Until then, every opinion on the matter will help!
So what I'm getting is. you love and hate a lot of the same things about this game. So I'm going to surmise that it's a really good start to a brand new SIM? But my real question is do you think it up hill or down hill from here? Worth the investment?
This will be a great sim in 2 years time..
yes, and a fraction of the price...I had to really stop myself from getting it on release, so for once, my head ruled my heart
@@theart8039 and you did wrong : ) it's an amazing experience well worth the price.
@@michakowalski2930 But I am a teen and cannot afford a high power PC, so I have to wait anyway
@@theart8039 OK, you are excused ;) especially that computer parts go old so fast and get cheaper... : ) it's worst investement ever :D
@@michakowalski2930 you know you can play it for just a few dollar per month on xbox game pass, also for PC
When is a new video coming out
Great video! Your VATSIM Series has taught me a lot! I recently became a fully fledged VATSIM pilot! Thanks so much!
Same, I'm now on my 5th or 6th Vatsim flight! His "phraseology cheat sheet" is a must have for new-to-vatsim pilots!
Thank you for this comment. I've been curious how to get into VATSIM myself. Sounds like their videos will help
ruclips.net/video/baKBOnn_TUs/видео.html
@@MarshallSantini Absolutely great tutorial series. A must watch for me!
Sitting on the ramp at KMIA watching the live traffic taking off and landing, while listening to LiveATC and hearing those same aircraft calling in, and then looking at flightaware to see where they are going.... blew my mind!!
Good combo :)
I really hope the next major update will include *landing video replay* !!!
Right! It is absurd, a real unacceptable leakage.
There is a Third Party flight recorder and replay that is in the works, it is in Beta testing. It opperates very much like the Third Party Flight Recorder for FSX
@@WiredGrape I use Bandicam, but it only records your screen, unlike Xplane you can have different views
@@AUSTIN12345631 The product that is in Beta testing for MSFS2020 is called Flightcontrolreplay. It was produced first for FSX, and P3D. There are RUclips videos demonstrating how it works.
How they released MSFS without replay is infuriating. It has been an aspect of Flight Simulator since before FS98. Standard on X-Plane too. I will give Asobo great applause when they get it done, but for now... I am soooo pissed about this lapse.
I think another huge plus about MSFS2020 is its accessibility to new simmers. I've been wanting to get XPlane or Prepar3d, but honestly it always intimidated me with the complexity of everything. Obviously a simulation of elaborate machines is going to be this way, but I felt like MSFS had enough handholding for me to feel comfortable diving in.
I've learned so much about aviation, and it is certainly becoming a new passion of mine. I think we'll start to see a small renaissance of flight simming with MSFS, especially once it hits the Xbox.
welcome to the community. most flight simmers and irl pilots are non-toxic, polite and very welcoming in general. never hesitate to ask for help
I completely agree. I knew very little about how to pilot a plane before this game released. It was easy to take more and more on as I went and can successfully do IFR flights now (well GPS guided ones anyway) and even understand what people are talking about when they talk about specific deficiencies in the avionics in the sim (thank you google and online manuals and tutorials). I'm very excited to not only see what MS does to improve it as time goes on. I'm also almost excited enough about flying to start taking lessons.
I understand what you’re talking about. The other flight sim you’re learning how to install thousands of addons and learn how to use them before you really enjoy the flying. I’m same as you so I gave up those flight sim and now I’m really enjoy MSFS and will not touch the addons any more other then the official one. The worst thing is those addons sometimes not only crashing your flight sim but your whole computer system.
I had a great experience. Bought a new 172 in fseconomy and had to fly out from Illinois to California. THAT was an incredible journey. I had another player (no names displayed) follow me for 200 miles from small town Nebraska to Denver Colorado, parking right next to me. Couldn't turn on names without pausing the sim, and as such had no way to contact him without ruining formation
Like a stranger on the highway, you're sad to see them go when they take a turnoff after being your wingman for the last 2 hours.
Hey man I love your videos... but I’m sad to see you no uploading 😔 are you planning to come back?
Thanks! No short term plans, I'm in flight training at the moment :)
@@AviationPro focus on your training we wish you the best!!!
@@iamjosh5123 Thank you! :)
Thank you very much for your review. You're the first one to mention the oversensitivity of the controls, which was something that annoyed me as well.
Thanks for watching!
The most disappointing thing about MS Flight Simulator 2020 is the fact that the Standard Edition only comes preloaded with one single planet: Earth. You can't fly to the Moon, you can't fly to Mars or Jupiter... only old boring Earth!
Pff yeah, terrible.
I think Orbix is working on the Andromeda galaxy.
That's okay, you can just get Star Citizen when it comes out...
... In 2040.
Unless there are spacecraft in this sim, there is really no point in having other planets.
with particle effects, water should be included too. the icon doesn’t even create a wake upon landing?!
My Icon 5 just does not turn when on the water, its very annoying which means I cannot use it. And yes I do lower the rudder when down.
I hear the criticism that it feels like it was rushed out the door. While this is certainly true, I don't think it's a valid criticism because I would rather have it on my computer now in its current state, than wait 6-9 months for a finished product. But if 6-9 months go by and they haven't fixed the autopilots, then I'll be upset. One pleasant surprise is that I get a much higher frame rate than on X-plane with comparable settings.
To which X-Plane version are you comparing this, 11.41 or the newly released 11.50 (September 10, 2020)? I’m using both MSFS and X-Plane, and I have much better FPS (25 to 40 FPS higher in C172 G1000) in X-Plane 11.50.
@@CharlesDSmith-mv7zi I have 11.50 with the Vulkan, which didn't help much. I should point out that my graphics card is better than my CPU which may explain my results w/ X-plane.
Hey man seems you disappeared, hope you come back soon !
I’m still here haha, just busy with real life things and work!
@@AviationPro Good!
I also love how it introduced a lot of new people to simulation. Like me. A lot of the newcomers mostly mess around, and that’s fine. And others like me have learned so much about flying an airplane that I would’ve otherwise never learned.
How about:
- The crappy installation process.
- The must have dvd in drive for boxed version (it's 2020).
- Bridges are solid and even when they aren't you might be running into a wall.
- The half arsed checklists that often just let you start the engine. Editting them is a pain as the focus option makes it complicated to do.
- The multiplayer part that is missing communication between players or being able to hear other players vs atc.
- The announced cooperation with vatsim which turns out to be just the same integration that all other sims have.
- No ultra lights, gliders or choppers.
I still enjoy the sim and I know it is going to grow. But if you ain't a fanatic, you might be better of to wait before buying and get more content for less money.
Why would you have a boxed version in 2020? there's your problem. It's a digital world now. Just accept it
Erik Willems Agree with you, the start check list in the Cessna 152 is as you say is not fit for purpose, the first problem I had was they have not modelled the fuel on/off on the floor, one of the first things on the check list, so while i was trying to figure that out I kept getting that annoying reminder " Press ctrl and E to start your engine, I kept shouting " No Way "
@@ronholfly Do other sims even ahve such a helping checklist that teaches beginners on such a beautiful way how to get past cold&dark? Cmon guys you are really not even trying to give it a chance.
@@quecksilber457 Yes it is OK it's just I'm trying to get my head round it, I try not to use short cut keys after all in real life you flick a switch or turn a knob and spin the trim wheel, I've got all those panels etc so I am slowly getting on top of it.
@@tdchewy The installation issues where reported by people using steam, MS and the boxed version.
When you "freeze" the game, not just the environment keeps moving but also the physics. For example your aircraft speed speed or drag keeps simulating, so as soon as you continue the plane might stall / overspeed / turn around etc !
The most objective review I've seen so far. At least for now, It feels like MSFS2020 falls somewhere between a true sim and an arcade game.
Sorry, I have a question: What is a true sim? And no, neither P3D nor XP11 are true sims, they are games as well. Please define the "true sim" Thank you
Thanks!
@@akst3000 uhhhh the sims built by aircraft manufacturers to train pilots and the ones built for air forces that run on highly custom hardware?
@@akst3000 umm, FAA certified flight schools use FAA certified simulators for training. They use X-Plane and P3D in their simulators. Is MSFS certified by the FAA for flight schools?
@@CharlesDSmith-mv7zi we are talking about the GAMES, run on PC's. FAA certified simulators are a different story. I don't think that the X-Plane mobile app for example will certify you to become a pilot, right?
Heard your doing IRL flight training. Want to wish you the best of luck man!
Thanks!
epik
I can’t wait for the day the PMDG 737-800 is released!
I would, your sim will probably crash!
andddd i am just done with my first "successful" flight on VATSIM, ATC was extra nice and it was amazing! I would like to thank you for your very helpful tutorials, I literally watched at least 75% of them haha, I also made sure to thank the ATC (just like you did in your tutorials :))))
Edit: Awww he actually replied :0
Awesome! :D
on mfs2020?
@@henrybayha1063 Nope, Xplane 11
@@mjstcyt2006 niiiiicccee
I cant bring myself to do a flight due to not understanding depature, arrival and vectoring. How it all works. Everytime I go to watch some videos It just loses me. Super complicated.
I wanted to thank you for all your tutorials before they helped me so much in VATSIM. I really appreciate all your effort by making your legacy these longer videos
You're welcome!
I don't have this autogen popping, but I also have a 250 Mbps line... :D
For the over sensitivity of the planes, I've lowered the sensitivity of my flight controls to -50%, that made flying for me way better.
I see a lot of people complaining about the flight dynamics, and maybe it's because I only really fly the 172, but as a PPL student, I think the flight dynamics are pretty accurate to real life.
small planes prop planes are ok, but bigger jets need a fix.
Can you use a slip with the 172. Whenever I try the plane has "convulsions".
Jim Russell It seems to work fine for me
This is my gripe as well. Many people who have never set foot in a plane beyond economy class complains about dynamics they know absolutely nothing about... because Sim X Y and Z "feels" different, so MSFS must be wrong, isn't a valid reason. I don't have much experience at all, so I don't really have a right to comment, but from what I've heard, you eco the sentiment of other people who actually fly some of these planes.
Yes, the big ones boys are a bit out of whack, but apart from some sensitivity issues you can change via settings, most of the comments I heard about GA is that the model is pretty accurate.
The built in ATC is a special kind of ridiculous, especially when combined with autopilot/navigation bugs. Missed approach? Get about 500 instructions from ATC in a loop, only stopping after completely cycling the AP. 800nm trip in the TBM, using a preselected flight plan, only to find that it was truncated somewhere and parts were replaced with a waypoint called USER. So after that missed approach, there was no way of continueing using the AP for anything because it insisted on sending me back 200nm into the desert. Good thing I could still land VFR because live weather didn't work either.
I really don't know how they would make a realistic emulation of the changing seasons, the colours of the trees, the fields and all that. The visuals are still based on one season when the aerial photos have been taken, mainly summer and they'd have to model seasonal changes all around the world taking account different environments, forest types especially. Such a complex system that I don't believe any programmer or visual artist could mimic in a sim at least in a realistic way. And during winter you should have a very realistic emulation of snow coverage with the real time weather.
I guess it could be possible via some sort of deep learning algorithm - trained on some smaller data sets of multi-season aerial shots from a range of climates. But I doubt it would be practical or even very convincing.
@tomi jutila: I totally agree with this. It's all aerial photos dbase related
The scenery needs lot more work to do, churches, cathedrals, forts, temples, stadiums, monuments, sculptures, railway stations. And more weather effects, like tornado, sandstorm, hail, fog, Tyndall effect, raging sea, and etc. Of course, season changes, fly over colorful autumn valley would be lovely.
You're right. Throw in antenna towers which should be very easy to implement (believe FS 4.0 had them).
this is cool snd all but the actual sim needs to take priority
I agree the airliners are garbage but everyone wants to fly them. Meanwhile, many are missing out on the awesome GA aircraft.
I hadn't seen ypu earlier and I simply loved the way you show up the different subjects in your presentation, sharp and neat, crystal clear. and a very inteligible English. I'm suscribing right now. I am building up a brand new PC but some crucial pieces are still retained who knows where and have not arrived yet... all of that to be able to try FS2020... so whatever comments, tutorials and suggestions are welcome! So, THANKS A LOT!
Thanks for watching! ;)
One observation about aircraft sensitivity - #4. I discovered it does not seems to be an issue with the flight model but rather an issue with joystick calibration (in my case Logitech Force 3D PRO). I found it is off after every restart of the sim. My routine now is to start with a visit to to controls setting and my joystick sensitivity section after every fresh start of the sim and wiggle the stick in all axes to their limit positions. This procedure seems to calibrate the stick. I save the settings and proceed to my flight. After this procedure all controls seems to be reacting more gently and appropriately. Happy flying!
I will give this a try, I did notice it after having to change something on my rudder pedals. After cycling through all the axis, it was less finicky.
Thank you very much for a great detailed review on the new MSFS. After listening to your review and several others on RUclips, it really doesn’t sound great.
Comparing it with X-Plane 11 what I currently use, it sounds like MSFS has better graphics and that’s it. It just doesn’t sound like it’s setting the world alight. I would definitely buy it in the future once it has been improved and the reviews get better but for now I’ll stick with X-Plane 11 where I enjoying flying helicopters, GA and Business jets. Thank you 🙂🚁🛩
Thanks for watching! :)
Took me about 2 weeks to get it completely loaded. Started using it yesterday. While the scenery is great the flight models are iffy. Xplane 11 with XR Realistic add-on is definitely more fun to fly at this point.
The flight models are iffy?????? Lil bro I think u need to get a better pc
The plane models are one of the BEST things about the sim
MSFS2020 looks great but I'm so glad I stayed with P3Dv4.5HF3 with appropriate add-ons! Thankyou, a very balanced perspective.
Its now December and I have just got a gaming PC and FS2020. A week of tuning and adjusting the settings to my liking and its amazing!
If it never got any better than this with anymore patches I will still be totally satisfied.
Add-On airplanes is key. I play both X-plane and FS2020. My only wish is they create an airliner just the Zibo-737 in X-plane. Unfortunately FS2020 is not there yet, what it has right now is some good eye candy!
There are two different modes of Pause. The Active Pause which is kind of a silly feature and is the default setting, and then there is the regular Pause that needs to be bound manually in settings. Just thought you should know. Great video BTW.
Where is the next Video? 🥺
Thanks for this overview AP. As you've mentioned already FS is in the startup phase of the project. I'm sure there will be a number of enhancements in the future to optimize the sim. Even though I haven't bought FS2020 yet I'm getting a clearer view of what to expect. My overall feeling is that this sim performs better (out of the box) than previous ones. There are already many informative (and fairly reliable) video comparisons out there and I'm sure yours will contribute a lot. Good luck with your training and happy landings ;-)
Thanks for watching Ed! ;)
The "Sensitive Rudder Input" complaints, is my number one complain also. It feels like your plane WANTS to kill you :)
This is earth... everything is trying to kill you, including the planet itself with gravity ;)
Interesting, I simply adjusted rudder sensitivity in the Sim and it's been very good since then. This may be down to the rudder hardware some people are using.
This simulator is nothing like real flight. The AP is terrible and will drive you in the ground
My rig is under minimum specs but still gives good results on mainly medium settings:-ASUS M5A78L/usb3 motherboard,NVIDIA 1050 TI graphics card,AMD FX 8350 CPU,32 GB ram,750 watt PSU.In the southern UK satellite data is AT LEAST 28 YEARS OLD,Microsoft informed me today that they are going to work on specific word areas untill all of the world has been updated.What they don't do is commit to providing more recent satellite data which is crucial for VFR and particularly young pilots looking for landmarks they can recognise...................................
28 years, wow, I agree!
The funny thing about performance and optimisation is that 15 year old kids who bought the latest 3080 at $1200 from a scalper using their daddy's credit card, use MSFS as a benchmark for their gpu without even appreciating or understanding the requirements for flight simming. They could be playing ace combat 7 and would thing it's the exact same thing.
I haven’t experienced any delays with rendering of buildings and scenery.
Me too
We need u back bro ur the best
Great vid. Thanks for that. One "hate" I would like to add: European motorways aren't illuminated (exception: Belgium), so the night is far too bright. They should've put light cones of the cars headlights or some sort of glowing on it. Adding to one of your "hates"... I think big structures like power plants, radio towers etc should have been crafted. It doesnt has to be the original one, but one out of a variety. Currently there are strange cylinders rising to the sky.
I think adding seasons isn't too much of a deal. Just lay a filter on the ground texture, depending on the weather / temperature a more muddy, more snowy or completely snowy one. Depending on the time of last snowfall you can even spare out roads (as they would've been cleared in the meantime) or let the whole countryside be sticken under a snow cover. Perhaps they can do it till winter. "They" did it in Red Dead Redemption 2 too...
If you examine the aircraft.cfg files you will note that there is a comment field named "wip" with a parameter indicating the progress status -1 not done, 0 first pass, 1 second pass, 2 completed...
Not a single one of the 30 models in the Premium Deluxe version are marked with a 2, meaning that all remain as "work in progress."
you should really stream some flights, i love your streams and how in depth you are, and you arent boring like most streamers in the cruise phase, really love your content keep up the good stuff, also how is your flight training going?
Not related to the video but thanks for the vatsim tutorials. I finally grew the confidence to do traffic patterns.
You're very welcome :)
Excellent video, this version of MSFS is the only one I haven't bought yet but I am very impressed with what I have seen in the videos of it. I can claim to have been flight siming since about 1985 so I have seen a lot of changes in that time. This latest version seems very dynamic, which hopefully means that it will get better and better over time. Thanks for taking the time to not only tell us your pet hates and loves but to give us examples.
I'm surprised the lack of support for a true multi-monitor setup is not in the hates. While you can drive 3 monitors they must be flat rather than angled (I use 65 deg angle of the side monitors with respect to the center monitor) or you will see terrible distortion in the side monitors. In X-Plane you can configure each monitor's field of view as well as the off-axis angle which produces realistic 'looking out the side windows' views.
In my opinion, based on some of the dislikes, this simulator was rushed to release before addressing the important items that are important in the simulator. I can live with some of the dislikes, but the important ones, such as the performance and the IFR systems in commercial airliners, for me and other simmers those are important elements. That's why I wasn't in a rush to buy FS 2020. I'll give it about another year or so before buying it.
Wow I admire your patience
That was a brilliant presentation. I fly for a major U.S. carrier (737-8s) and based on your pros and cons would not invest in 2020 because of your criticisms of the flight dynamics and avionics in this class of aircraft. I find X-plane's free Zibo mod add-on astonishingly realistic.
I suppose , also, I'm not that impressed with the eye candy given the bare-bones graphics in a Level-D sim. And it goes without saying that as impressive as its clouds and sunsets appear, Monet himself couldn't capture the pulse-quickening canvass nature puts before you and that is one of the best parts of the job.
I've been using the Zibo Mod with my son to introduce him to flow, CRM, briefings, etc.
I don't see anything in 2020 that comes close to approximating the workload demanded when flying more complex aircraft. Granted, there are two types of enthusiasts who invest in these
sims: those who participate as they would in a game and those who use it to advance their understanding and skills for real-world flying.
For the former, given time Microsoft should work out the bugs that would have me pulling my hair out. When they finally nail it, it should be a steal at the price.
Thanks for watching! ;)
From what I see, the flight physics seem to be much more responsive! This is the MAJOR thing I like, and the scenery second!
There is actually a true pause in the sim but it's not bound by default. If you go into the key binds you will see options for Pause on and Pause off, bind those and you will have a true pause that acts the same as when you press ESC but without the menu popping up.
I believe that pause function doesn’t actually pause all elements in the sim unfortunatelh
I hate the people who think they can fly a plane after playing this game in third person with a honeycomb yoke and every assist you can think of.
Agreed. I hate watching gamers (yes, gamers obviously more so than simmers) flying everywhere in third person.
@@MrPhantom1961 Pure herecy!
@@jonorgames6596 even pure heresy. I take it your comment was tongue very much in cheek?
Been at this nearly 40 yrs and never have I been this excited for flightsimming. Through alpha testing to release the progress was amazing. I'm confident that the issues will be addressed in time. I do feel for those that had install issues, that shouldn't have happened.
Ok I almost agree , but you seem to be a real pilot.
I am a RC-Pilot and love FS for 38 years or so.
So I suck in IFR but I am good in acrobatics.
I just enjoy the scenery and try stunts I would never try in real life.
With real life I mean my 2,5 meter wingspan Pits S2A witch took me 1,5 year to build.
It is all balsa wood and silk .
I enjoy bush flying (STOL) and doing crazy stuff like flying beneath the Eifel Tower.
I love my Pits S2S Coffee-Mill in 3rd person and don't even miss a glass cockpit.
This is no rant just another perspective .
Keep flying have fun :)
You need to change your control sensitivities for your yoke/joystick. You need to add some dead zones and decrease the sensitivity to around -45%. It’s not the sim that is the problem. It’s your control sensitivity settings which are fully adjustable.
As said in the video, unfortunately that does not solve the problem. It has nothing to do with joystick sensitivity. A very small rudder deflection (as checked in the external view) leads to a huge yawing moment, even at low speeds. This is not realistic.
38 dislikes by Asobo, Microsoft FANBOYS!!!!,, This was a good honest non biased review!!!.. and the first review I've seen that doesn't gloss over the facts about a BETA that should never have been released in it's current state..
The sim is beautiful, no doubt about it. However the first thing I noticed was the DA40 NG (a 155 ktas aircraft per the POH and my experience) listed and modeled as a max cruise 125 ktas aircraft (that's its cruise speed at 14,000 ft and 60% power i.e. economy cruise). Then I found it has a roll rate like an aerobatic aircraft and systems listed as InOp that in the real world would scrub the flight (all of the electronic engine control switches and the runup button). This means you really can't even do procedural training in this sim. At this point it kind of seemed more like a google earth simulator with a generic trainer aircraft model rather than an aviation sim. Maybe that's too harsh, but there's a lot lacking in the aircraft models.
May 2022. I agree with your points. I stopped playing MS 2020 simulator because of the problems I've had with my joystick; very difficult to configure and it doesn't do what I want it to while flying! I can only fly a Cessna to feel that I can control the airplane. And I bought a second joystick and a pretty good computer system. Maybe after listening to your channel I will start up again. I'm not a pilot but I certainly love aviation and want to be inside a "virtual reality" to experience being a virtual pilot.
Need a way to set default pilot seat position. The current default is too close to the panel. Constantly have to "zoom" away after looking left or right when returning to the default forward view. Hopefully this will be something that will be easily accomplished with something like a "VRConfig" file once VR is implemented.
I agree. Especially with the airliners. I fly a 737 in real life. If you can fly one Boeing you can figure out the others easily enough. The 787 has been extremely frustrating. The MCDU is missing a lot of crucial functions or it does not function properly. The HUD needs to be changed and it also needs the flight director on it. There are a lot of features that I enjoyed in FS2004 and FSX that are not there. I miss the Wide screen 'W' and the 'Shift-Z' function as well. It comes in handy for takeoff and landing. I would like for them to have the HUD in 'W' and the Shift-Z app. It has a lot of work to do before its considered broken in like Xplane or earlier FS versions have been. I will do GA aircraft in FS2020 for now to just fly around and enjoy scenery. But if I want to do long airliner flights, I will use Xplane 11 until they get FS2020 figured out better.
A really well rounded review and video, just spot on. As a long time simmer myself, I emphasise with you on all points. I couldn't have said it better myself. A sim for the future perhaps, as you say, and I really hope so. Definitely so much potential, but also lots to already love about its advances. I really pray for much more love towards and development on its downfalls. Really great video, you've captured all the things I've been thinking and feeling. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching! ;)
About Hate#3 that's actually VATSIM's problem to use outsourced info instead of in-game ones. There will always be delays on streamed stuff. It's just a matter of how the whole process works. They can't saturate every single airport's info provider (can't remember which ones they use) bandwidht to get info updated in a matter of seconds. It will never happen so just make a habit of it
I really dig fs2020, with one detail to remark on: controller problems, more specifically, rudder sensitivity. Currently, if you use any handheld controller, the rudder is completely unusable. Considering this is a product designed to be available on the xbox, the controller rudder issue is unacceptable. Not all of us want to drop $600 on controller hardware to access the sim. This needs to be fixed ASAP.
Turn the sensitivities right down. It worked for me.
One thing that irritates me is that in FSX you could hit the Alt key and adjust any setting, view the map, get frequencys, pause, make a new flight plan, anything you wanted to do to shape the simulation. FS2020 is currently super limited in that aspect, frustrating. We'll see how that changes in the near future.
Well done. Helpful and comprehensive criticism. I hope the developers watch and take heed. You nailed the strength of the sim: VFR flying in small GA aircraft. There is no other sim that even comes close. They put the fun back into flying.
Thanks ;)
i love Microsoft flight simulator 2020.. im blown away by it every time i take off :O)
Me too. This is the sim we sim pilots have always dreamed of and now its here.
Veel succes nog op je Flight Training! Hoop dat je terug komt wanneer je weer vrije tijd hebt. En anders zie ik je wel terug in de cockpit op real life vluchten 😜
I feel that FS2020 was a bit rushed out of the door. The aircraft in FS2020 don't have very good flight models, especially the jets, which have bugged autopilots and some INOP systems. And don't forget the oversensitivity of the controls. X Plane 11's default 737 has more cockpit functionality than FS2020's default A320neo. However, there are a few exceptions, like the C152, which are modeled very well and the flight model is better than X Plane. And, next, there is no replay mode, like seriously? The scenery is simply awesome, but the road vehicles sometimes behave very weirdly lol. This is a well-done video speaking about both the negatives and the positives of FS2020. Let's give FS2020 some time to fix these bugs. Once it matures, I have the feeling that it can be a true simulator.
I totally see this sim as a WIP, with tons of potential. I'm liking what I'm seeing, and I am especially enjoying VFR low-and-slow in a taildragger out in the wilderness. The future is bright for this sim, and I am happily along for the ride. : )
I must admit I haven't had any problems with the performance and on a very modest machine too. With a Ryzen 5 3600x, GTX 1660super and 32gb ram I'm running mostly high settings with some super with no perceptible frame stutter. Overall I've been very happy with that....
The sensitivity though, woof. I've crashed numerous times while landing airliners because of the weird flight model, where the tiniest input and some wind results in a 45-degree bank faster than I can counteract it or when I try to flare slightly, the aircraft pitches up violently and I end up floating halfway down the runway, despite being well below the ref speed. The autopilot is also atrocious. I've found that the autogen airports have few or no guidance signs, making it impossible to navigate on the ground without charts or ribbons to help. It's definitely disappointing. I hope they can sort these issues out sooner rather than later.
So I was playing on the Vatsim network, and while taxiing, the controller told me to switch to mod C on the squawk, what to do. I'm really a noob😂😂
That's TA/RA mode in another words
i think it is worth buying the full package @ 120USD because these airplanes can be tweaked (like the 737zibo in xplane). microsoft didn't encrypt the config files for the aircraft so all that can be fixed with patches. as i tell any sim fan, right now in it's current state, msfs2020 is good for GA sight seeing and exploring. for realism, esp with airliners, xplane11 still is, and will remain, king for the foreseeable future.
Let's dream: XP12 with Google earth 3D injector in real time streaming via broadband for the scenery part
Getting a TrackIR will solve your camera issues, in-cockpit you need nothing else. external cams remain odd though.
I joined a virtual airline. Doing bush flights in Alaska. Scenery most of the time looks like it was FS2002, wind is at 3kts, my Caravan is burning fuel like crazy but this sim still feels and looks too good to go back to P3D or Xplane. Once they will go thru all major bugs it will be a no brainer.
This comment right here. Just go back and look at bug lists for the other sims after launch day. These are just teething problems, once they iron out all the kinks, this is going to be the best sim for years to come while the other teams play catchup.
Like #13 People are talking about flight sim again, including you. Lots of comments/video help. And I finally get a chance to thank you for your splendid review of the iFly 747. Do you miss it?
Haha true! Ah well, no, the PMDG V3 is better after all, but I had some good times with the iFly! Especially an Atlantic crossing at night from Chicago to Amsterdam :)
The reason the small flight surface control deflections lack accuracy is partly due to lag and stutter in my opinion . Performance is improving slowly with the updates. Ie if you want big movements less accuracy needed but small movements then more accuracy needed
Yes, I like your opinion on FS2020, I mainly fly general aviation aircraft and will wait for third party airplanes and airliners to come in the sim, PMDG and Aerosoft. I also think FS2020 is the future for flight sim given a year. Happy flying!
Duidelijke en eerlijke video. Ik zie dat ik nog een half jaar tot een jaar geduld moet hebben voor ik een 3090 systeem bouw en voor de volle 200% in deze sim ga stappen. Hij is nog niet helemaal af en de beleving zal groter zijn als al deze kinder ziektes er uit zijn en ik een systeem heb die alles wel smooth op 4k ultra draait. Bedankt voor deze leerzame video 👍
Graag gedaan 😉
MSFS is (unfurtunatily)not only designed for airplane enthousiast, but
also for gamers who normally play games like GTA Warcraft or Call Of Duty. That the reason why there is also a X-box version.
That's the reason for example it's difficult to set up your contols with quallity hardware. It's initially designed for X Box controllers,
When i first saw the MSFS trailer i was shocked by the graphics. I was thinking of upgrading my system and get it, but looks like to have all settings in Max without killing performance you need a computer like the once used by DreamWorks or Pixar.
Wow, very critical review. I don't disagree that these things aren't perfect, but I do disagree that they're not things you'll *hate* while using the sim. 'Hate' is too strong a word to use for the mostly minor complaints you've presented.
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Microsoft definitely prioritized immersion and created an incredible environment to fly in. But they neglected the aircraft and user interface as you stated. It’s still a great sim to do some VFR and we are definitely spoiled to have MSFS 2020 and X-Plane 11. I still love X-Plane. VR in X-Plane with the realistic modeled physics is still second to none. MSFS for fun and sight seeing and X-Plane 11 for realism and VR.
Thanx for your comment ....All videos I have seen, have shown popup tags when hovering the mousepointer over flightinstruments....is there no way you can switch this off?
Can you make a video using FS Playground replay app? Thx.
Some great points you discuss here. My big thing is the lack of a detailed map. You would think that with Bing maps setting the scenery that we would have a better in SIM map with detailed airport information. I think FSX had a better map than FS2020.
Yeah that would be great!
@@AviationPro I would think they could link it to the web and get access to approach plates as well.
The first thing I hate: This video starts with a 3rd party PAID guide that explains how to use the program and how to change settings fpr best performance. Because there is no manual included with this program.
Hate is a big word, yes. And accurate.
Will you be making a full switch to MSFS soon?
I’m thinking about upgrading to v5 but would prefer to save my money if the future is with MSFS. I personally think P3d will never come close to the level of realism that can be reached with MSFS. Graphics and clouds alone blow P3d away for me. Just wanna know your thought :)
Thanks for "venting" your love/hate feelings about MSFS! Very useful.
Thanks for watching!
The performance is not an issue, and it's way better than other sims with the same amount of visual fidelity. Keep in mind that at low settings it still looks better than X-plane at high settings. And has higher fps at those settings.
The bar just went up, so it looks better and the result is it requires better hardware.
I showed my non Simmer buddy the FS2020 vs XP11 screenshots and his first comments were that XP11 graphics looks like Kerbal Space Program... I actually had to agree with him. The planes look great, but the world looks like utter crap.
Which version of X-PLANE are you comparing it to? In X-Plane 11.50, I get 25-40 FPS higher in the C172 G1000 at maximum settings than I do in MSFS at medium settings. The only difference is eye candy, and I get the “steam gauge” C172 for free in x-plane. I have to buy the delux version of MSFS to get it there.
The lightening effects look awesome
Phenomenal explanation...,but so far I`ll stay with X plane 11, love Zibo 737 and others planes.
Thanks, not a bad choice :)
Veel succes met jouw flight training!
Dankje!
I'm a DCS pilot ( and many hours in a "real" 172) I haven't dipped into MSFS 2020 yet but wondered if you can set up response curves to make axis commands more realistic?
Yes, but it won't make it more realistic necessarily. The general sensitivity is just too much at the moment.
i have to agree with the live weather. i have been storm chasing and never seem to find full storms with lightning there are maps that show real clouds and give real time lightning strikes using radar. would be nice to have this added also into the live weather for realistic storms and live lightning. the only way i can see lightning in the sim is by changing the presets but then its not live. just wondering if anyone has come across a storm and lightning with the live weather. and yes even in europe we have a delay also with the live weather.
great video.
this is such a fantastic list. regarding the missing airports, my local airport is one of them. it seems like a minor point but it’s really immersion breaking.
I had a shock when I took an FSEconomy job and couldn't find the airport via search, so I grabbed the GPS location off Google Maps, and sure enough, it was one of the "Tree'd Out" ones, Stuttgart iirc. I used Slew mode to place myself on a section where the runway should be, without trees in the way and checked that FSEconomy recognised my position as being at the correct airport. Took off and completed the flight without any further issues.
Silly though.
Just got this sim as a present and the first thing I found was it would not run on my old PC so that involved an expensive replacement. This came with no disc drive as most gaming machines do nowadays but the damn thing would not run until I had inserted the "game disc" so I then had to buy an external disc drive. Then you have to install individual aircraft which is an additional time consuming pain but when I eventually did get everything and running what joy, NO!
One of the things I loved about the old Microsoft Flight sim was being able to take of and land at even quite small airports and recognise local features. Went to Edinburgh (EPGH) and it could have been anywhere in the world with no recognisable features. The old (2004) version had an accurate representation of the two forth bridges and local features like Murryfield stadium and the castle so this was a huge disappointment.
Let's hope their are lots of upgrades in the pipeline as this is far from perfect or even good.
MSFS took out Schoonover Airport (Tusi Heliport as well) at Fort Hunter Liggett and CA74 Skydive California Airport. They were in the beta. Schoonover was mislabeled as King City Airport though... weird.
This video has been so positive for me. If you're complaining at this level then I know that, for €60, FS2020 is well worth the money.