The Vocabulary 101 lesson on the terms "accuracy" vs "precision" comes up periodically here. See description. It's a bit like using the correct pronunciation of "Garand." You could pronounce the name of the "Garand" rifle the way John Garand actually pronounced his name; however, nobody would know what the heck you're talking about. Same with the term "Accuracy" that everybody into firearms uses almost daily, and often incorrectly. It might make you feel good to point out how people use it incorrectly, but good luck with your mission to change the world. I choose not to take that on that task. Too many other more important issues. Sorry. :-) The very same person all worked up and on his "high horse" about people using "accuracy" incorrectly is very likely the same person who could use his own grammar lesson on "snuck" vs "sneaked," "drug" vs "dragged," "ran" vs "run," "drink" vs "drunk," and especially "lie" vs "lay." :-)
He's right, accuracy and precision are different things. If you shoot tight groups, you are precise but those groups may be a long way from your dead-center target. An accurate shooter will average close to that target, though he may have wide groups.
I always just assumed that all the off target shots was due to my xds .45 having such a short barrel. Everyone says you wont get the accuracy with such a compact gun, and I believed them... until I saw you shoot it out to 80 yards. Then I realized it was just me sucking at shooting. I started working more on my grip and everything else to improve my accuracy! I am so much happier with it, now that I have improved myself! Great videos and great shooting! Thanks!
I hope all is well with you and your family. Please do not let comments left by others trouble you, I can tell in your words that your heart is in the right place. You are a good man my friend. I enjoy the education you give us for free, in return I pay you a small compliment. Thank you for all you do. Life is good!
Thanks. I'm not always right on everything, I'm sure, but with a few billion people on the Internet and every fellow living in his mom's basement with an Internet connection, I'd be a sad case if I let Internet comments bother me much. :-) If 50 or 60 percent of viewers were telling me what an idiot I am, however, I believe I'd have to give it some consideration. :-)
Hi Hickok I have to say it at least more than 80% of people appreciate what you post, even if they disagree. I know people from the left who enjoy watching your videos and the people who don't really have the appreciation of guns that you have. I know because I live in CA and we have an assortment of people who live here and I have introduced them to your youtube videos. I can also say the same from the comments you get . I as a fan I also enjoy your vids . I learned a lot from shooting the gun, cleaning, and gun reviews. thanks for your dedication and hard work.
Your accuracy is beyond excellent no matter what you are shooting. I'm no where as good but I dry fire a lot , but don't do enough actual shooting. I'm going to remedy that to improve. 😊
Fortunately, shooters don't pay much attention to the "scientific terms." :-) If a person has to hold a bit below the bullseye but shoots a terrific group, the gun is extremely "accurate." All that is required is some different ammo or a change of sights in order to move the point of aim of this "accurate" firearm to where the shooter prefers. :-) The term "accuracy" has been used the way it is today in the entire shooting world for so long that Merriam-Webster would only confuse things! :-)
@@bigdfitness5020 you know nothing about it then. You proved it in what you said. You can have the fastest reaction time of 10 drivers and be the fastest at shifting and be the slowest. There are 101 reasons why. Im sure you know them all though so I won't get into it.
A born teacher (and not only with hand guns). Always enjoyable. Like talking with a friend who just happens to know a helluva lot more than you do about guns and is willing to share his knowledge. Good stuff.
@@bobinthewest8559 I know what you mean Bob. I've had a few guns when i started shooting many years ago that wouldn't even touch the target even when I gave them a stern warning that they better not miss.. 😁😁
My Papaw said many times that the weapon is only as accurate as the shooter allows it to be. He was a decorated WW2 vet so I took his words for stone. I've seen him strike a match with a 22 revolver many times and when I'd ask him how he did that he would always say practice. That is the main key. Practice with the firearm you use.
Practice with a good instructor is best as I've seen many, many people burn a lot of ammo and still can't hit their own foot because they just instilled bad habits. It's worth the time and expense to take a class because an instructor knows what to watch for and how to correct poor technique. If you don't see improvement while practicing on your own you're probably just cementing in bad habits. Dry fire to improve trigger control.
Well hollow point things like a good lesson in there. Back several years ago I guess over 20 or 30 I get off of work and stopped up on top of the hill on my driveway they have a couple of beers before I went home. Well I sit on the tailgate of my truck and I take my little 22 S&W and I would shoot rocks. If there was a real dark rock or a real light rock that you can see easily that's the one I would shoot and I done this about everyday. Well I also have a couple of Model 29 S&W 44 magnums that I deer hunt with. One fall day me and my son who was about 25 at that time were out in the lake fishing and a doe came swimming across the lake. I told my son you want to help clean it? He said yeah can I shoot it I said sure I handed in my 44 and cruised up getting close to him and told him don't shoot until he gets his feet on the bottom of the lake so he won't sink and we can't find him. Well his feet caught bottom and he started coming up the slope and my son fired, fired and fired again and again as the deer ran off into the woods. I said good Lord son I'll bet you $100 I could have hit that deer in the head with the first shot. He looked around at me and handed me the empty gun and said yeah Dad, but you got over $100 in that first shot! I couldn't argue with that look out if I figure all the ammo that I've shot in those old guns, it was well over $100! Keep on shooting and listen to us old timers every now and then.
Thanks for the video Hickok. Funny range story, a guy and his wife/girlfriend/whatever went to the range with his newly purchased CZ 75. At 7 yards his group was about 12", and he was complaining that the gun sucked, blah blah blah, but then his partner (a first time shooter) made multiple 4" groups on that same target. Needless to say, he didn't complain about the gun after that, but he suddenly shifted his fire from a.f.a.p. to slow-and-steady.
WhatsHappening783402 no you can’t but you can’t be fast and accurate if you don’t first practice that slow and steady. If you start slow and steady the speed will come. It becomes muscle memory. And before you know it you are fast and accurate
I laugh at guys like that. Bringing in their gf in with a brand new dolled out 45 or 50cal trying to look cool, and they shoot like Yosemite Sam. Meanwhile I'm over here working on exhaling slower so I can get under 2" groups from twice the distance Geronimo over there's shooting.
I laugh at the guys who bring their girlfriends to the range and try to teach them combat drills in the attempt to show off. It's pretty clear that most of them don't have a good grasp on combat shooting themselves, and all their yelling and drilling towards their girlfriend is just stressing them out. And when it's quite likely that the girl just wanted to try shooting for the first time, not learn how to shoot in a defensive scenario.
Facts tho because if u just pull the trigger and not squeeze it u force the gun down and more u more likely to anticipate recoil squeeze the trigger and grip it good and let the gun suprise u
I think you did really well to transition from the 1911 to the Glock so easily. As you pointed out so well, it's getting to know your weapon and to use it well. Nicely done sir!
Accuracy is simply a matter of familiarity with your firearm. I've got an old Stevens 22 that belonged to my grandfather and I've been shooting it for 40+ years. Is it sandbag perfect? No, but I'd put money on my ability to hit a pop can with it just because I know that rifle. The most accurate rifle that I've honestly shot was a Remington 40X back in highschool on the ROTC rifle team, 27975B. Yeah, I still remember the serial number but then again, I usually shot 500 rounds a week through that great rifle. Like Hickok said, it really amounts to range time and knowing your particular firearm because YOU are the most important variable in the equation. Great video that was spot on, thanks again!
Almost all of your videos are one-take. No BS, just straight forward. I think that says so much in itself. You're very well respected in the youtube community, and i almost always come here for opinions/information on these matters. Great video.
I am just seeing this video for the first time. I had an accuracy issue with a Beretta 92D and complained to my friend at the range who took my gun and blew out the center of the target. His advice was more practice was required.Thanks for your videos and frankness when required.
I totally agree. He can shoot a slingshot and a BB gun more accurately than I could shoot the finest match-grade gun made buy the finest gun wizard in the world
This reminds me of a comment on a review that made me laugh. A guy was reviewing the video game Dark Souls which is known for being pretty difficult and doesn't 'hold your hand' like many games do. He said the game was trash because he couldn't get past the first boss and gave the game a 1 star review. A person commented on his review and aptly retorted "Sounds like the game gave you a 1 star review."
This is funny because I just left the range after shooting my M & P shield for the first time . I noticed my shots were low and left and was wondering if there was a problem with the gun . Now I realize I was flinching , so back to the range tomorrow : )
If you're a right handed shooter, shots pulling low and left is likely a combination of whack and torque. These two factors both have to do with trigger control. "Whack" is similar to what it sounds like; a little too abrupt a trigger pull. This causes the vertical plane error. Torque is caused by using too much finger, so you're applying force towards the left (if you're right handed, toward the right if left handed). So basically you don't even need to use ammo to correct this; simply do dry fire exercises, or if you're concerned about wear, use snapcaps. Set up a target, or find something to use as one (remember, this is dry fire, so it doesn't matter what it is, but as always, obviously try to choose a safe direction. Then just focus on pulling the trigger very slowly and evenly once you have your sight picture. The goal is to fire and get the reset without moving the sights. Rinse and repeat and you should see a noticeable improvement next time you go to the range. An easier way, albeit pricier is to get a laser bore module. If you're unfamiliar, it's basically a laser pointer that fits in your barrel. Pulling the trigger flashes the laser out the barrel and shows where the round would have hit. The goal here would be to get your sight picture and try to get little "starburst" reactions when the trigger breaks, instead of any streaking movements.
Correct analysis, to correct this you should do a lot of dry fire. Make sure it's unloaded then find a safe direction to pick out a target. Obtain a correct sight picture and slowly squeeze the trigger. Never close your eyes when firing and maintain the sight on the bull while the trigger breaks. If you do this a hundred times three or four times a week you will greatly reduce your error over a month or two. What you are doing is trying to make it go bang when your sight drifts across the bullseye. Start with a large bull at about five yards, fire at the center of the bull. When your bullets strike within an inch of each other move back to ten and so on till your shots begin to drift low and left. Move back to the last distance your group was centered. Concentrate on a smooth pull regardless of your sight picture. A good trigger will make you more accurate than the best sight picture.
@@treeguyable just came across your old post mr. Mike, you know I have the same experience sometimes with some of my guns long guns and pistols. Sometimes believe it or not the grip makes the difference. I do better with revolvers well let me rephrase that most revolvers then I do with most automatics. And it could be that I've toted a revolver for over 45 years and I've just not done that with the autos. I always figured I try a gun out, if it don't feel good I'll pass on it, or if I've done bought it I sell it. Live long and shoot often!
Russell, I had the same problem. What helped me the most was being told to think of pulling the trigger directly back towards your wrist. As soon as you forget, your shot will go down to the left.
I defy 99% of shooters standing and shooting to notice any difference between the best aftermarket barrel on the planet and the stock Glock barrel, or stock Sig, M&P, XDm, etc. A Ransom Rest might reveal some miniscule difference, which is irrelevant, of course, since nobody is going to shoot that way.
I've been trying a variety of pistols lately (Glock 19, Beretta 92FS, Kimber 1911, Sig P320). I keep using the term accurate and after listening to this I thought about it and believe that it's probably the way I've shot them by how they've fit in my hand. The grip was bigger on some and the placement of my finger on the trigger would change. That's probably what accounted for the 'accuracy' difference. Thanks for a great lesson.
First let me say that you are the most creditable of all the shooting/Gun related videos on Utube. Recently I was undecided between buying a semi Auto pistol or a Revolver. I went to the lounge of my home town gun store and reviewed your video review on both guns. Dificult decision. I bought the S&W Shield over the Ruger LCR. The LCR will be next. After the wife cools off. Any way ... Your video on accuracy. I feel your pain. Gun people must be the most opinionated bunch I've witnssed. What they like is all that matters. Gripe & Groan & Piss & Moan. They.bad mouth every thing they don't like. They live in the negative...Mostly what they don't like. When I view a gun review all I want to hear are the features of the gun. Let me decide if I like it. They can keep their opinions. I'll sept off my soap box now. Enjoy and trust your videos. Your humor also.
Thanks for tuning in. It's a pretty good example of "A little learning is a dangerous thing," to continue the misquoting of Alexander Pope. :-) The more one studies and experiences virtually any area or endeavor, the more he realizes how little he knows, provided his ego is smaller than the state of Nebraska. It just FEELS good to people to pretend in their own minds that they know everything and express really strong opinions about it. :-)
hickok45 What is max shooting distance for ed brown "special forces" do you think is good? I like your reviews could you do make some video with your advise about carry and shooting every week i shot 150-300 rounds,that is ok or too much for custom gun lol ? Thank you .
All I want to say is Thank you. I find your videos so much more informative than anyone else's. The weakest link in the chain is the shooter. I say this as I am on my way out the door to pick up my new S & W SD40VE. Which I'm sure will take me a few hundred rounds to get a good feel for.
I finally purchased my first 9mm, a CZ 75b. I couldn't wait to get it down to the range. After 50-80, I was consistently shooting low right. As they are fixed sights I was dismayed to find this and initially thought I'd bought a duff gun. After watching your videos on trigger pull and grip, I realize that the gun is fine, its me that's off. So next trip down to the range I notice a much bigger improvements in group and placement due to applying the correct principles. Thanks for the great videos
I love this. I have told people when I and I stress "I" have a problem shooting a gun. I never blame the gun but many do in order to pretend they are super with some guns. My arthritis has been causing me issues with my trigger finger for some years now. I finally realizes I can shoot good with my other hand or using my middle finger making sure to keep my index finger out of the slides way. I enjoyed watching this as I do all your videos. Thank you.
Absolutely. In 99.999999% of cases its not the firearm, its the shooter. I try to always preface such statements with "I". I am not as accurate with a Beretta M-9 as I am with a SIG. And I am most accurate with a CZ 75 pattern 9mm pistol.
Thank you for this vid. I am nearing my 65th birthday and will soon start the process of obtainging my firearm certification and purchasing my first firearm. From watching RUclips and reading articles on the type of rifle I would like to consider purchasing I found myself inundated with the term accuracy. To such a degree I am researching all the info I can on a certain rifle till I enevitualy find that one article to deter me and start the seach for another. A never ending circle search for something that really depends on what I want to use the rifle for and how much time I spend becoming proficient with the basics (which by the way few ask in any of the things I have read or watched). Thanks again and keep up the good work.
I wholly believe certain guns just do better align with certain individuals' ergonomics. I'm quick and decent with my Glocks... Couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with my buddy's Sig.
I love my sigs... and my S&W revolvers... and my magnum research revolver... I've never shot a glock. A friend allowed me to look his glock over and I decided the moment I gripped it that I wouldn't buy one. The angle of the grip just felt "wrong" to me. I'm not knocking glocks at all, but as individuals, each of us will definitely "fit" some guns better than others. I think the best thing for a new shooter to do before purchasing their first gun, is to shoot a variety of guns (either guns belonging to friends, or by renting them) and see what is most "natural" to them. I'm past that first step, but I definitely need more trigger time on all of them. and who knows... maybe one day I'll actually shoot a glock and change my mind about them.
@SuperBmxbadass, Bring that Glock to me. I'll gladly take it off your hands for a fair price. Even though it's totally inaccurate and useless, I'll still give you $200.00 sight unseen.
This is a great topic to talk about. Me, I don't worry about how "accurate" the gun is. Accuracy only defines how close you are to the bulls-eye. A handgun can always be sighted in to make it accurate. What I would worry about is precision, how tight of a grouping you get out of any particular handgun, shot after shot. Its amazing how many people don't know the difference between accuracy and precision. I guess a great way to put it, is that accuracy can be measured in terms of a single shot you take, whereas precision is measured over many, many shots.
Hickok45, your wisdom is impressive. Watching this video has cleared up a many questions I have had over the years and really given me something to think about. I now have an entirely new perspective on accuracy. Thanks for your help and I always learn something new from every video of yours that I watch.
As a sniper, trigger control is vital!!! We tend to “milk” the gun as we fire, it’s instilled in us from birth as we pick stuff up. These modern guns are far more accurate than we really are.
There certainly are mechanical differences in pistol accuracy, the most prominent among semi autos being barrel lockup. Sights and trigger affect the shooter, not the consistent repeatability to release a bullet along the same path. That being said, I couldn't agree with Hickok more. Those differences are too often debated between people who couldn't hit the barn if they were standing in it. Practical shooting skill is far and away the most important factor. The same can be said for driving, compare teenagers learning to drive vs NASCAR pros... I think the NASCAR pro could determine which car handles better but most will drive down the road quite nicely for the average driver. Teenagers will forever debate which is the hotter and bestest car out there but do they really know what they are talking about? "What is the point here?" you may ask... simply this, practice, learn, practice some more, learn some more, then once educated and experienced, reconsider the debate. Good luck, good shooting, and... Life is boring........ or an adventure. Your choice.
As you demonstrated, your videos on Stance (1), Grip (2), Trigger Control (3) equate to the shooter's ability to be Accurate. Your ability to adapt to various platforms strongly demonstrates in your video here as the shooter, and not necessarily the gun. Great video as always.
Great video! I've been trying to tell my friends the same thing. Accuracy is more about the person holding the firearm. Than the firearm its self. Great job! Love your videos,keep them coming !
When Hickock loads a firearm, and right before he pulls the trigger...a God of precision embeds itself into his body and BANG!!! BULLSEYE. Your the man Hickok never get tired of watching your vids, always learn tons.
When I want to get good information on a gun or another gun related topic, I go to Hickok45. I know the information given will be honest and informative.
As a Land Surveyor I am frequently explaining the difference between accuracy and precision, and it particularly drives me crazy when talking to fellow shooters. Good job in showing the difference!
I always value and definitely appreciate any advise Mr. Hickok has to offer for many years. Thank you sir to you and your team for all the insight you’ve given for so many years👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
hickok45 are you a left eye dominant shooter but right handed? if you are what's the best way of training? I've been doing competition shooting for a while but I just recently found out I'm cross eye dominant.
I like watching your videos, you know your stuff. As a former USAF SP and weapons instructor, I can tell you that your fundimentals are your biggest things when it comes accuracy. My duty M-9 shot just as good as my CZ-75, SR 1911, or super blackhawk. Sadly most of my students don't use the fundimentals we would teach and then blame the gun for not working right when it is really thier fault for missing. Keep on your soapbox, you are a knowledgable person and you can never learn too much.
Thank you so much for doing this video on this topic exactly the way you did it. I hope you don't mind, but I am bookmarking this video on my phone. From now on, I will pre load it on my phone before I set foot at the gun range. I'll save so much time by just handing my phone to people blowing their opinions about which gun & why. I honestly hope we don't jam you-tube's servers ;-)
I think it will be just fine. :-) Just remember that when I get on my "soap box" about accuracy, as I do here, I'm talking about standing and shooting offhand. If a person is benchrest shooting rifles very carefully, then he or she can discern some differences, of course. Maybe even with handguns sometimes. When standing and shooting offhand, though, especially for 99% of us, the biggest factor in accuracy is the human holding the firearm.
I totally agree with you on this, I have noticed over the years that there are rifles, handguns, and shotguns that just shoot better for me, not that they are more accurate than another model, they just work better for me, the next guy may have a different result. I always hear shooters at the trap range blaming a bad day on shot size or velocity, or the sun or wind. I just have some bad days I guess, for no reason at all.
It's great to hear this from someone with a lot of influence with shooters. If you shoot a particular gun well, it's good gun for you. If you shoot a gun poorly, don't call it inaccurate. It just doesn't suit your shooting preference.
Made me chuckle when my friends all had me order KKM barrels for them, even after I told them that a drop in barrel can not improve accuracy and may actually reduce it if their factory glock barrel locked up tight. They refused to believe me, they shot larger groups after receiving the barrels and proceeded to claim the gun was a tack driver, all of them. Placebo effect is exceptionally annoying, especially when people waste money on things to make up for their own failures but think it actually improved things when it made them worse..
Totally false. The stock glock 20 barrel shoots OK, But when I put my KKM in i am lights out with it. There IS a difference. The KKM is just a more precise and accurate.. No ways around it. I can use the same ammo and the KKM is flat out more accurate. The stock barrel just kind of puts shots in the area of where I want it to go and the KKM puts it where I want it to go. To me that's worth it. But i like precision, others like H45 is happy with in the general area which is fine for him. Just different strokes for different folks.
Yeah, it's almost funny how people try to make up for shooting skills by purchasing more equipment. Of course, some things, especially a better trigger and sights, can sometimes make a noticeable difference, even when shooting offhand. Doesn't make the firearm more inherently accurate, but does make it easier to shoot more accurately. A more "accurate" barrel would be almost impossible to quantify without a Ransom Rest. Then the difference would be very minimal, if at all, in my opinion. I'm talking about standing and shooting, of course. Benchrest shooting is a totally different issue and different hobby from what most shooters are engaged in when it comes to handguns.
I am glad you are happy with you factory barrels. That's Great! But it's an undeniable fact my KKM is a better shooter than my glock barrel even when NOT using a rest of any kind. When I shoot/practice, kind of like your setup (but not as awesome) with plates but I add paper targets too, my hit ratio is higher for sure with the KKM. I originally bought my KKM barrel for the sole purpose of better chamber support for better longevity of my brass. The improved accuracy was just a real nice bonus. As far as trigger goes i am doing much better with the stock trigger but might add a 3.5 connector in the near future. I also believe that a good trigger helps your accuracy, Along with a seasoned TRIGGER FINGER. H45 we will just agree to disagree. I very much enjoy your videos so keep them coming.
hickok45 Plus a ransom rest won't do much with most modern semi autos, as it's going to only measure how accurate the gun is based off of how tight the slide to frame fit is. When in reality, slide to frame fit is pretty irrelevant for accuracy since your barrel and sights are on your slide.
Thanks for your videos. While watching your video on accuracy, I remembered shooting my 92D and having issues getting a good group. I complained to my LEO friend that obviously there must be an issue with the gun only to have him use it to put a full clip within 1" of each other. I will never forget the look on his face when he told me there was nothing wrong with the gun.
I stumbled across your videos last year and absolutely love them. And have learned a lot by watching them and reading the comments of your viewer's. I am curious is to who and why would 65 people give this video thumbs down?
65 people who spent too much money on a expensive gun and too many accessories to make it more accurrate just found out thier guns accuracy changed nada.
Sam L 2.5 inches at 80 yards is more like hand loads through a match fit bar-sto. He said factory 20. I have no doubts about block accuracy but if you're telling me you can throw up a 2.5 inch group with any drop in barrel and factory ammo i'd love to see it.
Oh yea I couldn't do that standing, but I also use good ammo and keep my barrel clean and use a 5.3 lone wolf. I also have better sights because I don't like the glock sights past 50 yards. So I guess the gun is capable of that but with standard sights and standing you'd have to be more lucky than good. I've had times where I get 3 to hit in the same spot out of 5 the other two were about 3 inches apart from the group, but I was sitting down on a bench at only 55 yards.
Sam L Yeah this guy was full of it. I was reading a test the other day btw, KKM, S3F, and ZEV barrels and the best one shot right at 5 inches at 50 yards with it's favorite ammo. Block barrels are mostly plenty accurate but I've had some that just wouldn't group but it's rare.
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From a statistical standpoint, accuracy is how close you are to where you are aiming (center of the bullseye). And precision is how repeatable (tight) your group is. Excellent video.
There are accuracy differences between guns for sure. Call it, 'potential accuracy', as measured by how a particular gun fired from a machine rest will group with an optimized load when firing under controlled conditions that eliminate environmental factors such as wind and lighting. The machine rest eliminates all of the human error of course. Indeed as Hickock45 mentioned, most all guns are more accurate than the shooter, at least this is true of handguns which generally are fired in an offhand mode. To be fair & realistic, 'practical accuracy' applied to self-defense situations is a shooter's ability to hit the vital areas of a target, typically the thoracic cavity or in situations, the cranio-occular region of the head. We can't get a sense for this kind of accuacy between the Ed Brown 1911 & the Glock 21 with Hickock45's demo since we don't know where the projectiles landed on the steel targets; perhaps (even probably) the Ed Brown shot significantly tighter groups than the Glock, but then again, maybe not. Hickock45 forever wows us with his marksmanship. No doubt however, removing the machine rest and relying upon the shooter brings in several other elements peculiar to the gun such as heft & balance, sights style, sight radius (longer is better), grip factors like thickness, angle, material & feel, along with grip (holding) consistency, plus all the peculiarities of trigger type (double vs. single action, travel, trigger break pressure, etc.). Also, even velocity makes a difference...a high velocity round exits the barrel more quickly which means shooter-induced gun movement & wobble, and poor follow-through are less pronounced than with slower moving projectiles that remain in the barrel longer. Anyway, 'accuracy' can be contextualized to apply to both the weapon as well as the shooter.
New shooter here. Enjoying the videos. I've been to the range a handful of times, and my buds, a Canadian restricted license holder and a US Marine have both commented that my safety was good. That's down to your videos, so thank you for that. Anyhow, I totally agree with your main point, especially as a new shooter. I'm always going to be the nut behind the trigger. For me, I'd rather shoot a bunch of things and see which one works for me, rather than worry about which one works better in a vise. Thanks again, enjoying the videos.
Hahaha good ole days range looks more packed these days I always tell people when they talk about handgun accuracy or even carbines "if your asking.... The firearm is more accurate the YOU, so don't worry about it" lol
Finally a person who explained how accurate a weapon is. It is as accurate as the person who uses it. I believe the more you use a particular weapon the more proficient you become with that weapon. Oh and by the way the 230 yd shots with the desert eagle and the .45 beautiful use of skill. it taught me something on sighting I was not aware of. Thank you for your posts
In my opinion, spending some time bench resting a pistol is a good thing. you pointed out a lot of variables, and your exactly right. I like to put a fair amount of rounds through my pistols off a good solid rest to see where they shoot. this gives me a good base line of where it is shooting before I go off hand shooting. It seems as a good indicator to me of what effect my grip, trigger, and other things do to my point of impact. but in all actuality, the real concern of accuracy is far better placed on rifles rather than pistols
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience in trying to help people love the sport of shooting and understand what and how to shoot their firearm with out being intimidating, and having patience with folks. I appreciate you and John and your videos. 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I think your spot on about the topic of "accuracy". Any reasonable quality handgun is capable of better groups that the shooter. It comes down to how particular features suit the individual shooter skill and needs.
Good stuff. Precision and accuracy were the topics of one of the first lectures we had in an engineering class in college. As for shooting. Time behind the sights and shooting are the only things to make the shooter more accurate. When I was 10 yrs old, I learned that with my Daisy BB gun I had to hold over the target one barrel width at 25 yards (I shot it a lot and the spring was weak). But, I learned it by shooting a ton of BBs...
Been watching hickok45 for many years. So refreshing to listen to this man's wisdom and knowledge. Watching him shoot in this video tells me that his thoughts on accuracy are 100% true. What would you bring to a gunfight with hickok45? Nothing - stay away!
Hickcock45, very well stated. Defensive handguns aren't primarily designed to shoot bulls eyes and tight groups. I have always thought what you stated regarding the silly emphasis on "accuracy". I believe reliability and durability are the most important attributes of a defensive handgun. Most/all handguns are accurate enough for their intended purpose.
Great videos from Hickok45. After 46 years of shooting handguns, I'd say that the biggest need we have is convenient access to (safe & affordable) ranges such as the one Hickok45 uses. Simple fact - and a big problem that needs to be solved.
As always, thank you for the great videos. I'm relatively new to the world of shooting sports and have been a subscriber for about 2 years now. The first pistols I purchased were the S&W Bodygaurd .380 and M&P shield 9mm. I shot both poorly despite considerable practice. This past winter I traded both pistols for a full size M&P 9mm. My groups have tightened up considerably and I'm finding my time at the range infinitely more enjoyable. I watched other (more experienced) folks fire my smaller pistols "accurately" with little effort. The guns weren't inaccurate, my operation and handling of them was just sub par. Don't blame the tool, blame the fool operating it.
Preach it brother Hickok ... I wish I had seen this years ago, being 10+ years behind the curve is not so bad for me, I've always been a little on the slow side. This video is perhaps the most relevant video you've ever made ... I know it's had a huge common sense impact on me. Thanks and cheers ...
Thank You Hickok45, I enjoy watching your videos, Regarding accuracy, I really don’t think accuracy is relevant to the guns, we should speak about precision. The ability to shoot all rounds every time in same place. Accuracy though, it the ability to place the bullet in the exact point we want. If the gun has its natural ability to gather the shoots, (precision) The shooter should do one of two: 1) Adjust to the gun - Learn how and set the hand better 2) If he can not get it right- look for a different gun setting. Once all fits- you are happy.
Case in point. I never noticed the difference between guns like you say Hickock. I made sure I learned how to shoot 1" groups at 25 yards with all my handguns. I don't always do that, but don't have to. When I pay attention,slow fire,two hands,off hand, I will eventually shoot 1" groups at 25 yards. On very bad days never worse than within a few inches of what I aim at. Three things are certain: 1)Practice makes you shoot better groups. 2)Firearms are more accurate than most shooters abilities. 3)Comparing accuracy of handguns is senseless unless you are a world class shooter. As usual Hickock shares his practical minded thinking. Thanks. Also: Line up sights to bulls eye,keep the sights on the bulls eye, bullet hits bulls eye. With most handguns.
I am older guy! I totally agree! My only problem occured about 4 or so years ago. I entered into the "polymer world"! Yep, late bloomer lol! From 1911 in .45 or 9mm for over 40 years was a "accuracy" issue being I was not shooting these guns well! 1911's and steel revolvers for decades!
I had not seen this fun video before, as a Dutch language teacher I appreciate it when someone is being very precise with words. Hickok's assertion that:'this gun is more accurate' really means : "I shoot this gun more accurately" really rings true to me. It reminds me of someone telling me : "broccoli is nasty." What they mean is: "I don't like the taste of broccoli."
@@hickok45 we love your work, brother. Interestingly enough, we came to the same conclusions on accuracy in 2014 before we saw your video from 2010. Great minds....
Thank you hickok45, this is what I've been telling people for a long time as a firearms instructor. The only time I've seen discernable accuracy discrepancies, have been with very poorly made "Saturday night special" guns, which normally are very short barreled anyway making them only useful at very close distances.
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The Vocabulary 101 lesson on the terms "accuracy" vs "precision" comes up periodically here. See description. It's a bit like using the correct pronunciation of "Garand." You could pronounce the name of the "Garand" rifle the way John Garand actually pronounced his name; however, nobody would know what the heck you're talking about. Same with the term "Accuracy" that everybody into firearms uses almost daily, and often incorrectly. It might make you feel good to point out how people use it incorrectly, but good luck with your mission to change the world. I choose not to take that on that task. Too many other more important issues. Sorry. :-) The very same person all worked up and on his "high horse" about people using "accuracy" incorrectly is very likely the same person who could use his own grammar lesson on "snuck" vs "sneaked," "drug" vs "dragged," "ran" vs "run," "drink" vs "drunk," and especially "lie" vs "lay." :-)
Old people just rambling on about rambling on lol.. gotta love em. 😅
He's right, accuracy and precision are different things. If you shoot tight groups, you are precise but those groups may be a long way from your dead-center target. An accurate shooter will average close to that target, though he may have wide groups.
Camper Slimmer... I hope you're joking dude.. This gentleman has forgotten more about shooting than most will ever know.
hickok45 you are a very smart man
hickok45 Hey Man, I really enjoy your show on UTube... Cool Stuff Man...
I always just assumed that all the off target shots was due to my xds .45 having such a short barrel. Everyone says you wont get the accuracy with such a compact gun, and I believed them... until I saw you shoot it out to 80 yards. Then I realized it was just me sucking at shooting. I started working more on my grip and everything else to improve my accuracy! I am so much happier with it, now that I have improved myself! Great videos and great shooting! Thanks!
Same here
Lower sight radius means more difficult, not less accurate.
You nailed it my friend.....
2020 and your videos are still educating anyone with a vague interest in firearms. Thank you for the content
FACTS
I hope all is well with you and your family. Please do not let comments left by others trouble you, I can tell in your words that your heart is in the right place. You are a good man my friend. I enjoy the education you give us for free, in return I pay you a small compliment. Thank you for all you do. Life is good!
Thanks. I'm not always right on everything, I'm sure, but with a few billion people on the Internet and every fellow living in his mom's basement with an Internet connection, I'd be a sad case if I let Internet comments bother me much. :-) If 50 or 60 percent of viewers were telling me what an idiot I am, however, I believe I'd have to give it some consideration. :-)
Hi Hickok I have to say it at least more than 80% of people appreciate what you post, even if they disagree. I know people from the left who enjoy watching your videos and the people who don't really have the appreciation of guns that you have. I know because I live in CA and we have an assortment of people who live here and I have introduced them to your youtube videos. I can also say the same from the comments you get . I as a fan I also enjoy your vids . I learned a lot from shooting the gun, cleaning, and gun reviews. thanks for your dedication and hard work.
Hickok45 fan for life !
@John Grit bro we get it you wrote a book
@John Grit nice bud congrats. ur so smart
Thanks. We appreciate the support and confidence people have in us. I don't know everything and try not to act as though I do.
Your accuracy is beyond excellent no matter what you are shooting. I'm no where as good but I dry fire a lot , but don't do enough actual shooting. I'm going to remedy that to improve. 😊
Fortunately, shooters don't pay much attention to the "scientific terms." :-) If a person has to hold a bit below the bullseye but shoots a terrific group, the gun is extremely "accurate." All that is required is some different ammo or a change of sights in order to move the point of aim of this "accurate" firearm to where the shooter prefers. :-)
The term "accuracy" has been used the way it is today in the entire shooting world for so long that Merriam-Webster would only confuse things! :-)
10:18 is a great example of why you should always keep your gun pointed downrange with your finger outside of the trigger guard.
It's just like in the drag racing world, they say the best thing you can do to make a car faster is adjusting the nut behind the wheel.
LOL, I love that saying. Adjusting the nut behind the wheel... priceless.
DEEREMEYER1 if you shift "faster" and if you react "faster," then it makes you a "faster" driver period... Quit trying to play word games.
@@bigdfitness5020 you know nothing about it then. You proved it in what you said. You can have the fastest reaction time of 10 drivers and be the fastest at shifting and be the slowest. There are 101 reasons why. Im sure you know them all though so I won't get into it.
Haha.
There's a nut behind the wheel? How do I adjust it?
A born teacher (and not only with hand guns). Always enjoyable. Like talking with a friend who just happens to know a helluva lot more than you do about guns and is willing to share his knowledge. Good stuff.
And Hickok demonstrates this beautifully...
He is a wizard of different types of guns and ammo
Your guns are all more accurate than mine. ;)
Love it.... lol..... Great comment!
Hey, its all about shooting time with all guns, isn't it? More shooting... more accurate.
Amen to that Mark Gman! If only I had his Glock instead of mine!!
you must be getting your guns from the same places as me...
Even when I buy expensive guns they sometimes miss the whole target completely... 😕
Yes...... HE IS....
@@bobinthewest8559 I know what you mean Bob. I've had a few guns when i started shooting many years ago that wouldn't even touch the target even when I gave them a stern warning that they better not miss.. 😁😁
My Papaw said many times that the weapon is only as accurate as the shooter allows it to be. He was a decorated WW2 vet so I took his words for stone. I've seen him strike a match with a 22 revolver many times and when I'd ask him how he did that he would always say practice. That is the main key. Practice with the firearm you use.
Practice with a good instructor is best as I've seen many, many people burn a lot of ammo and still can't hit their own foot because they just instilled bad habits. It's worth the time and expense to take a class because an instructor knows what to watch for and how to correct poor technique. If you don't see improvement while practicing on your own you're probably just cementing in bad habits. Dry fire to improve trigger control.
I'm late to the video, but that's a badass story, I too, would take what your pappy said as the gospel!
Well hollow point things like a good lesson in there. Back several years ago I guess over 20 or 30 I get off of work and stopped up on top of the hill on my driveway they have a couple of beers before I went home. Well I sit on the tailgate of my truck and I take my little 22 S&W and I would shoot rocks. If there was a real dark rock or a real light rock that you can see easily that's the one I would shoot and I done this about everyday. Well I also have a couple of Model 29 S&W 44 magnums that I deer hunt with. One fall day me and my son who was about 25 at that time were out in the lake fishing and a doe came swimming across the lake. I told my son you want to help clean it? He said yeah can I shoot it I said sure I handed in my 44 and cruised up getting close to him and told him don't shoot until he gets his feet on the bottom of the lake so he won't sink and we can't find him. Well his feet caught bottom and he started coming up the slope and my son fired, fired and fired again and again as the deer ran off into the woods. I said good Lord son I'll bet you $100 I could have hit that deer in the head with the first shot. He looked around at me and handed me the empty gun and said yeah Dad, but you got over $100 in that first shot! I couldn't argue with that look out if I figure all the ammo that I've shot in those old guns, it was well over $100! Keep on shooting and listen to us old timers every now and then.
Thanks for the video Hickok. Funny range story, a guy and his wife/girlfriend/whatever went to the range with his newly purchased CZ 75. At 7 yards his group was about 12", and he was complaining that the gun sucked, blah blah blah, but then his partner (a first time shooter) made multiple 4" groups on that same target. Needless to say, he didn't complain about the gun after that, but he suddenly shifted his fire from a.f.a.p. to slow-and-steady.
Lol , now that's funny
WhatsHappening783402 no you can’t but you can’t be fast and accurate if you don’t first practice that slow and steady. If you start slow and steady the speed will come. It becomes muscle memory. And before you know it you are fast and accurate
Btw I’m not trying to criticize anyone just giving in my two cents
I laugh at guys like that. Bringing in their gf in with a brand new dolled out 45 or 50cal trying to look cool, and they shoot like Yosemite Sam. Meanwhile I'm over here working on exhaling slower so I can get under 2" groups from twice the distance Geronimo over there's shooting.
I laugh at the guys who bring their girlfriends to the range and try to teach them combat drills in the attempt to show off. It's pretty clear that most of them don't have a good grasp on combat shooting themselves, and all their yelling and drilling towards their girlfriend is just stressing them out. And when it's quite likely that the girl just wanted to try shooting for the first time, not learn how to shoot in a defensive scenario.
When you risk to fall because there's too much brass on the ground, you know it has been fun! As always, a truly great video.
As a friend of mine use to say: "the accuracy of a gun is determined by a little piece called 'triggerpuller' ".
Facts tho because if u just pull the trigger and not squeeze it u force the gun down and more u more likely to anticipate recoil squeeze the trigger and grip it good and let the gun suprise u
After the hundreds of videos of yours that I've watched, I am still in amazement of your shooting skills.
A poor workman blames his tools.
Cut to fit, beat into place.
@Rusty Shackleford a 8 moa surpluss rifle is 8 '' groups at 100 yards but at 21 feet its a ragged hole with its mechanical accuracy value!
A poor workman can't afford the better tools.
Not really my trigger really makes a difference.
So that's the only awnser huh? Tools can never be an issue. Get the hell outta here.
I think you did really well to transition from the 1911 to the Glock so easily. As you pointed out so well, it's getting to know your weapon and to use it well. Nicely done sir!
I love you, Hickok. You rock. Be blessed, sir.
Accuracy is simply a matter of familiarity with your firearm. I've got an old Stevens 22 that belonged to my grandfather and I've been shooting it for 40+ years. Is it sandbag perfect? No, but I'd put money on my ability to hit a pop can with it just because I know that rifle. The most accurate rifle that I've honestly shot was a Remington 40X back in highschool on the ROTC rifle team, 27975B. Yeah, I still remember the serial number but then again, I usually shot 500 rounds a week through that great rifle.
Like Hickok said, it really amounts to range time and knowing your particular firearm because YOU are the most important variable in the equation. Great video that was spot on, thanks again!
This is why I love your channel
Sir, you are amazing at what you do . I have watched and learned so much from your videos and knowledge.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge !
Almost all of your videos are one-take. No BS, just straight forward. I think that says so much in itself. You're very well respected in the youtube community, and i almost always come here for opinions/information on these matters. Great video.
I wish you were my grandpa.
I am just seeing this video for the first time. I had an accuracy issue with a Beretta 92D and complained to my friend at the range who took my gun and blew out the center of the target. His advice was more practice was required.Thanks for your videos and frankness when required.
How do I spell Accuracy H I C K O K 4 5
how I spell kissass F R A N K
Cassius lmfao
I totally agree. He can shoot a slingshot and a BB gun more accurately than I could shoot the finest match-grade gun made buy the finest gun wizard in the world
T H I C C O C K 45
@@XXXIMSEXYNIKNOWITXXX How do you spell smartass CASSIUS
Of all the different shooting experts I've watched on RUclips you are the best your so down to earth and your experience is unmatched in my opinion
"This gun is less accurate" is pretty much "Your controller is broken"
"Modder" is always a good one
This reminds me of a comment on a review that made me laugh. A guy was reviewing the video game Dark Souls which is known for being pretty difficult and doesn't 'hold your hand' like many games do. He said the game was trash because he couldn't get past the first boss and gave the game a 1 star review. A person commented on his review and aptly retorted "Sounds like the game gave you a 1 star review."
hickock doesnt use a scope and lock the rifle down and shoot groups at 100 yards and show ammo differences !
This is funny because I just left the range after shooting my M & P shield for the first time . I noticed my shots were low and left and was wondering if there was a problem with the gun . Now I realize I was flinching , so back to the range tomorrow : )
Russell Ferreira the trigger has some geeting use to on them guns as a pose to glock or xd
If you're a right handed shooter, shots pulling low and left is likely a combination of whack and torque. These two factors both have to do with trigger control. "Whack" is similar to what it sounds like; a little too abrupt a trigger pull. This causes the vertical plane error. Torque is caused by using too much finger, so you're applying force towards the left (if you're right handed, toward the right if left handed).
So basically you don't even need to use ammo to correct this; simply do dry fire exercises, or if you're concerned about wear, use snapcaps. Set up a target, or find something to use as one (remember, this is dry fire, so it doesn't matter what it is, but as always, obviously try to choose a safe direction. Then just focus on pulling the trigger very slowly and evenly once you have your sight picture. The goal is to fire and get the reset without moving the sights. Rinse and repeat and you should see a noticeable improvement next time you go to the range.
An easier way, albeit pricier is to get a laser bore module. If you're unfamiliar, it's basically a laser pointer that fits in your barrel. Pulling the trigger flashes the laser out the barrel and shows where the round would have hit. The goal here would be to get your sight picture and try to get little "starburst" reactions when the trigger breaks, instead of any streaking movements.
Correct analysis, to correct this you should do a lot of dry fire. Make sure it's unloaded then find a safe direction to pick out a target. Obtain a correct sight picture and slowly squeeze the trigger. Never close your eyes when firing and maintain the sight on the bull while the trigger breaks. If you do this a hundred times three or four times a week you will greatly reduce your error over a month or two. What you are doing is trying to make it go bang when your sight drifts across the bullseye. Start with a large bull at about five yards, fire at the center of the bull. When your bullets strike within an inch of each other move back to ten and so on till your shots begin to drift low and left. Move back to the last distance your group was centered. Concentrate on a smooth pull regardless of your sight picture. A good trigger will make you more accurate than the best sight picture.
@@treeguyable just came across your old post mr. Mike, you know I have the same experience sometimes with some of my guns long guns and pistols. Sometimes believe it or not the grip makes the difference. I do better with revolvers well let me rephrase that most revolvers then I do with most automatics. And it could be that I've toted a revolver for over 45 years and I've just not done that with the autos. I always figured I try a gun out, if it don't feel good I'll pass on it, or if I've done bought it I sell it. Live long and shoot often!
Russell, I had the same problem. What helped me the most was being told to think of pulling the trigger directly back towards your wrist. As soon as you forget, your shot will go down to the left.
I defy 99% of shooters standing and shooting to notice any difference between the best aftermarket barrel on the planet and the stock Glock barrel, or stock Sig, M&P, XDm, etc. A Ransom Rest might reveal some miniscule difference, which is irrelevant, of course, since nobody is going to shoot that way.
@Hicock45 One can learn so much from your videos. You are a true genius and a humble gentleman. Keep enlighting the rest of lesser us.
I am soo happy you put that out there. I have been saying for years that most handguns are way more accurate than you or I Ever will be.
I've been trying a variety of pistols lately (Glock 19, Beretta 92FS, Kimber 1911, Sig P320). I keep using the term accurate and after listening to this I thought about it and believe that it's probably the way I've shot them by how they've fit in my hand. The grip was bigger on some and the placement of my finger on the trigger would change. That's probably what accounted for the 'accuracy' difference. Thanks for a great lesson.
First let me say that you are the most creditable of all the shooting/Gun related videos on Utube. Recently I was undecided between buying a semi Auto pistol or a Revolver. I went to the lounge of my home town gun store and reviewed your video review on both guns. Dificult decision. I bought the S&W Shield over the Ruger LCR. The LCR will be next. After the wife cools off. Any way ... Your video on accuracy. I feel your pain. Gun people must be the most opinionated bunch I've witnssed. What they like is all that matters. Gripe & Groan & Piss & Moan. They.bad mouth every thing they don't like. They live in the negative...Mostly what they don't like. When I view a gun review all I want to hear are the features of the gun. Let me decide if I like it. They can keep their opinions. I'll sept off my soap box now. Enjoy and trust your videos. Your humor also.
Thanks for tuning in. It's a pretty good example of "A little learning is a dangerous thing," to continue the misquoting of Alexander Pope. :-) The more one studies and experiences virtually any area or endeavor, the more he realizes how little he knows, provided his ego is smaller than the state of Nebraska. It just FEELS good to people to pretend in their own minds that they know everything and express really strong opinions about it. :-)
hickok45 What is max shooting distance for ed brown "special forces" do you think is good? I like your reviews could you do make some video with your advise about carry and shooting every week i shot 150-300 rounds,that is ok or too much for custom gun lol ?
Thank you .
All I want to say is Thank you. I find your videos so much more informative than anyone else's. The weakest link in the chain is the shooter. I say this as I am on my way out the door to pick up my new S & W SD40VE. Which I'm sure will take me a few hundred rounds to get a good feel for.
I finally purchased my first 9mm, a CZ 75b. I couldn't wait to get it down to the range. After 50-80, I was consistently shooting low right. As they are fixed sights I was dismayed to find this and initially thought I'd bought a duff gun. After watching your videos on trigger pull and grip, I realize that the gun is fine, its me that's off. So next trip down to the range I notice a much bigger improvements in group and placement due to applying the correct principles. Thanks for the great videos
I love this. I have told people when I and I stress "I" have a problem shooting a gun. I never blame the gun but many do in order to pretend they are super with some guns. My arthritis has been causing me issues with my trigger finger for some years now. I finally realizes I can shoot good with my other hand or using my middle finger making sure to keep my index finger out of the slides way. I enjoyed watching this as I do all your videos. Thank you.
Absolutely. In 99.999999% of cases its not the firearm, its the shooter. I try to always preface such statements with "I". I am not as accurate with a Beretta M-9 as I am with a SIG. And I am most accurate with a CZ 75 pattern 9mm pistol.
Thank you for this vid. I am nearing my 65th birthday and will soon start the process of obtainging my firearm certification and purchasing my first firearm. From watching RUclips and reading articles on the type of rifle I would like to consider purchasing I found myself inundated with the term accuracy. To such a degree I am researching all the info I can on a certain rifle till I enevitualy find that one article to deter me and start the seach for another. A never ending circle search for something that really depends on what I want to use the rifle for and how much time I spend becoming proficient with the basics (which by the way few ask in any of the things I have read or watched). Thanks again and keep up the good work.
Bad handgun accuracy = good reason to buy another handgun
I wholly believe certain guns just do better align with certain individuals' ergonomics. I'm quick and decent with my Glocks... Couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with my buddy's Sig.
Rooster Cogburn or could be you not used to it
That's always my excuse. Their must be a gun out their more accurate than the ones I already have. Won't know till I buy them🤣
Or good reason to practice more!
I love my sigs... and my S&W revolvers... and my magnum research revolver...
I've never shot a glock. A friend allowed me to look his glock over and I decided the moment I gripped it that I wouldn't buy one. The angle of the grip just felt "wrong" to me. I'm not knocking glocks at all, but as individuals, each of us will definitely "fit" some guns better than others.
I think the best thing for a new shooter to do before purchasing their first gun, is to shoot a variety of guns (either guns belonging to friends, or by renting them) and see what is most "natural" to them.
I'm past that first step, but I definitely need more trigger time on all of them. and who knows... maybe one day I'll actually shoot a glock and change my mind about them.
You have got to be one of the greatest personalities on RUclips. Can't express that enough.
@SuperBmxbadass, Bring that Glock to me. I'll gladly take it off your hands for a fair price. Even though it's totally inaccurate and useless, I'll still give you $200.00 sight unseen.
This is a great topic to talk about. Me, I don't worry about how "accurate" the gun is. Accuracy only defines how close you are to the bulls-eye. A handgun can always be sighted in to make it accurate. What I would worry about is precision, how tight of a grouping you get out of any particular handgun, shot after shot.
Its amazing how many people don't know the difference between accuracy and precision. I guess a great way to put it, is that accuracy can be measured in terms of a single shot you take, whereas precision is measured over many, many shots.
Hickok45, your wisdom is impressive. Watching this video has cleared up a many questions I have had over the years and really given me something to think about. I now have an entirely new perspective on accuracy. Thanks for your help and I always learn something new from every video of yours that I watch.
This is one of your classic foundation videos. So glad it's still up and running. this is a forever video. Thanks
As a sniper, trigger control is vital!!! We tend to “milk” the gun as we fire, it’s instilled in us from birth as we pick stuff up. These modern guns are far more accurate than we really are.
always good to watch and enjoy hickok45 and his assessment of firearms!!!!
There certainly are mechanical differences in pistol accuracy, the most prominent among semi autos being barrel lockup. Sights and trigger affect the shooter, not the consistent repeatability to release a bullet along the same path. That being said, I couldn't agree with Hickok more. Those differences are too often debated between people who couldn't hit the barn if they were standing in it. Practical shooting skill is far and away the most important factor. The same can be said for driving, compare teenagers learning to drive vs NASCAR pros... I think the NASCAR pro could determine which car handles better but most will drive down the road quite nicely for the average driver. Teenagers will forever debate which is the hotter and bestest car out there but do they really know what they are talking about?
"What is the point here?" you may ask... simply this, practice, learn, practice some more, learn some more, then once educated and experienced, reconsider the debate.
Good luck, good shooting, and...
Life is boring........ or an adventure. Your choice.
As you demonstrated, your videos on Stance (1), Grip (2), Trigger Control (3) equate to the shooter's ability to be Accurate. Your ability to adapt to various platforms strongly demonstrates in your video here as the shooter, and not necessarily the gun. Great video as always.
I agree with this 100%! In short, "It ain't the arrow, it's the Indian!"
went to a new range and mentioned your shooting ability. everyone knew about you. thanks for your wonderful site and sense of humor.
Spot on Hickok45, spot on. Words of wisdom. Thank you Hickok45... Absolutely love your vids. You Sir, are the accurate one...
I haven’t shot in many years not I got set up again and hitting the range. It comes back to you. Great video
Great video... so what's more accurate tho, a M&P Shield or a M&P 9c?
Tt Ss I was being sarcastic, buzzkill.
With the amount of dumbasses on the internet, sometimes it is hard to tell when a person is sarcastic.
Great video! I've been trying to tell my friends the same thing. Accuracy is more about the person holding the firearm. Than the firearm its self. Great job! Love your videos,keep them coming !
Ergonomics, “fit”, comfort adds to control and steadiness. This must also be a factor.
When Hickock loads a firearm, and right before he pulls the trigger...a God of precision embeds itself into his body and BANG!!! BULLSEYE. Your the man Hickok never get tired of watching your vids, always learn tons.
When I want to get good information on a gun or another gun related topic, I go to Hickok45. I know the information given will be honest and informative.
As a Land Surveyor I am frequently explaining the difference between accuracy and precision, and it particularly drives me crazy when talking to fellow shooters. Good job in showing the difference!
I find that the more I practice , the more "accurate" I get no matter what pistol I use. PRACTICE safely.
I find that applies to most things in life.
I always value and definitely appreciate any advise Mr. Hickok has to offer for many years. Thank you sir to you and your team for all the insight you’ve given for so many years👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
hickok45 are you a left eye dominant shooter but right handed? if you are what's the best way of training? I've been doing competition shooting for a while but I just recently found out I'm cross eye dominant.
I'd ne glad to see any comment on this be cause I'm strongly right handed but right right eye vision sucks.
I like watching your videos, you know your stuff. As a former USAF SP and weapons instructor, I can tell you that your fundimentals are your biggest things when it comes accuracy. My duty M-9 shot just as good as my CZ-75, SR 1911, or super blackhawk. Sadly most of my students don't use the fundimentals we would teach and then blame the gun for not working right when it is really thier fault for missing. Keep on your soapbox, you are a knowledgable person and you can never learn too much.
Thank you so much for doing this video on this topic exactly the way you did it.
I hope you don't mind, but I am bookmarking this video on my phone. From now on, I will pre load it on my phone before I set foot at the gun range. I'll save so much time by just handing my phone to people blowing their opinions about which gun & why. I honestly hope we don't jam you-tube's servers ;-)
I think it will be just fine. :-) Just remember that when I get on my "soap box" about accuracy, as I do here, I'm talking about standing and shooting offhand. If a person is benchrest shooting rifles very carefully, then he or she can discern some differences, of course. Maybe even with handguns sometimes. When standing and shooting offhand, though, especially for 99% of us, the biggest factor in accuracy is the human holding the firearm.
I totally agree with you on this, I have noticed over the years that there are rifles, handguns, and shotguns that just shoot better for me, not that they are more accurate than another model, they just work better for me, the next guy may have a different result. I always hear shooters at the trap range blaming a bad day on shot size or velocity, or the sun or wind. I just have some bad days I guess, for no reason at all.
It's great to hear this from someone with a lot of influence with shooters. If you shoot a particular gun well, it's good gun for you. If you shoot a gun poorly, don't call it inaccurate. It just doesn't suit your shooting preference.
Made me chuckle when my friends all had me order KKM barrels for them, even after I told them that a drop in barrel can not improve accuracy and may actually reduce it if their factory glock barrel locked up tight. They refused to believe me, they shot larger groups after receiving the barrels and proceeded to claim the gun was a tack driver, all of them. Placebo effect is exceptionally annoying, especially when people waste money on things to make up for their own failures but think it actually improved things when it made them worse..
Totally false. The stock glock 20 barrel shoots OK, But when I put my KKM in i am lights out with it. There IS a difference. The KKM is just a more precise and accurate.. No ways around it. I can use the same ammo and the KKM is flat out more accurate. The stock barrel just kind of puts shots in the area of where I want it to go and the KKM puts it where I want it to go. To me that's worth it. But i like precision, others like H45 is happy with in the general area which is fine for him. Just different strokes for different folks.
Yeah, it's almost funny how people try to make up for shooting skills by purchasing more equipment. Of course, some things, especially a better trigger and sights, can sometimes make a noticeable difference, even when shooting offhand. Doesn't make the firearm more inherently accurate, but does make it easier to shoot more accurately. A more "accurate" barrel would be almost impossible to quantify without a Ransom Rest. Then the difference would be very minimal, if at all, in my opinion. I'm talking about standing and shooting, of course. Benchrest shooting is a totally different issue and different hobby from what most shooters are engaged in when it comes to handguns.
I am glad you are happy with you factory barrels. That's Great! But it's an undeniable fact my KKM is a better shooter than my glock barrel even when NOT using a rest of any kind. When I shoot/practice, kind of like your setup (but not as awesome) with plates but I add paper targets too, my hit ratio is higher for sure with the KKM.
I originally bought my KKM barrel for the sole purpose of better chamber support for better longevity of my brass. The improved accuracy was just a real nice bonus.
As far as trigger goes i am doing much better with the stock trigger but might add a 3.5 connector in the near future. I also believe that a good trigger helps your accuracy, Along with a seasoned TRIGGER FINGER.
H45 we will just agree to disagree. I very much enjoy your videos so keep them coming.
Same thing with musicians. Nothing wrong with having nice instruments, but skill and education is the more important than having fancy things.
hickok45 Plus a ransom rest won't do much with most modern semi autos, as it's going to only measure how accurate the gun is based off of how tight the slide to frame fit is. When in reality, slide to frame fit is pretty irrelevant for accuracy since your barrel and sights are on your slide.
Thanks for your videos. While watching your video on accuracy, I remembered shooting my 92D and having issues getting a good group. I complained to my LEO friend that obviously there must be an issue with the gun only to have him use it to put a full clip within 1" of each other. I will never forget the look on his face when he told me there was nothing wrong with the gun.
" hickok45 in reply to hickok45 1 week ago " LOL
We all know that when hickok45 holds any firearm it instantly becomes much more accurate
I stumbled across your videos last year and absolutely love them. And have learned a lot by watching them and reading the comments of your viewer's. I am curious is to who and why would 65 people give this video thumbs down?
65 people who spent too much money on a expensive gun and too many accessories to make it more accurrate just found out thier guns accuracy changed nada.
I think it's more the comfort level of the firearm.to the individual.
Once again, I FULLY agree with Hickok45 on this topic. It's the Indian, not the arrow every time.
Even some gun-shop owners/sales people push the "accuracy" thing too hard
Some guy at a gun shop tried to tell me he could shoot 2.5 inches at 80 YARDS WITH A GLOCK 20. I walked away mid sentence on that one.
actually very easy if you have a bench, maybe a 6 inch barrel.
Sam L 2.5 inches at 80 yards is more like hand loads through a match fit bar-sto. He said factory 20. I have no doubts about block accuracy but if you're telling me you can throw up a 2.5 inch group with any drop in barrel and factory ammo i'd love to see it.
Oh yea I couldn't do that standing, but I also use good ammo and keep my barrel clean and use a 5.3 lone wolf. I also have better sights because I don't like the glock sights past 50 yards. So I guess the gun is capable of that but with standard sights and standing you'd have to be more lucky than good. I've had times where I get 3 to hit in the same spot out of 5 the other two were about 3 inches apart from the group, but I was sitting down on a bench at only 55 yards.
Sam L Yeah this guy was full of it. I was reading a test the other day btw, KKM, S3F, and ZEV barrels and the best one shot right at 5 inches at 50 yards with it's favorite ammo. Block barrels are mostly plenty accurate but I've had some that just wouldn't group but it's rare.
stumbled across this while looking for a good 1911 (for cheap) you had it right way back then... STILL so very right TODAY !!!
HICKORY, YOUR MY FAVORITE.
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From a statistical standpoint, accuracy is how close you are to where you are aiming (center of the bullseye). And precision is how repeatable (tight) your group is.
Excellent video.
Accuracy is in the shooter, not the weapon.
There are accuracy differences between guns for sure. Call it, 'potential accuracy', as measured by how a particular gun fired from a machine rest will group with an optimized load when firing under controlled conditions that eliminate environmental factors such as wind and lighting. The machine rest eliminates all of the human error of course. Indeed as Hickock45 mentioned, most all guns are more accurate than the shooter, at least this is true of handguns which generally are fired in an offhand mode. To be fair & realistic, 'practical accuracy' applied to self-defense situations is a shooter's ability to hit the vital areas of a target, typically the thoracic cavity or in situations, the cranio-occular region of the head. We can't get a sense for this kind of accuacy between the Ed Brown 1911 & the Glock 21 with Hickock45's demo since we don't know where the projectiles landed on the steel targets; perhaps (even probably) the Ed Brown shot significantly tighter groups than the Glock, but then again, maybe not. Hickock45 forever wows us with his marksmanship. No doubt however, removing the machine rest and relying upon the shooter brings in several other elements peculiar to the gun such as heft & balance, sights style, sight radius (longer is better), grip factors like thickness, angle, material & feel, along with grip (holding) consistency, plus all the peculiarities of trigger type (double vs. single action, travel, trigger break pressure, etc.). Also, even velocity makes a difference...a high velocity round exits the barrel more quickly which means shooter-induced gun movement & wobble, and poor follow-through are less pronounced than with slower moving projectiles that remain in the barrel longer. Anyway, 'accuracy' can be contextualized to apply to both the weapon as well as the shooter.
Accuracy between firearms is definitely real. But the point was more there isn't really a practical way to tell the difference due to the shooter.
+Snookynibbles tocoloeddie
Damn, you sure love hearing yourself. All you did was repeat what "the man" said.
Get a life and SHUT-UP!
yes mainly, 99% of misses are due to the shooter
that's it brother! you nailed it. counting that the sights are not off, accuracy only rests in the operator.
New shooter here. Enjoying the videos. I've been to the range a handful of times, and my buds, a Canadian restricted license holder and a US Marine have both commented that my safety was good. That's down to your videos, so thank you for that.
Anyhow, I totally agree with your main point, especially as a new shooter. I'm always going to be the nut behind the trigger. For me, I'd rather shoot a bunch of things and see which one works for me, rather than worry about which one works better in a vise.
Thanks again, enjoying the videos.
Hahaha good ole days range looks more packed these days I always tell people when they talk about handgun accuracy or even carbines "if your asking.... The firearm is more accurate the YOU, so don't worry about it" lol
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I love how whenever he is shooting, youtubes subtitles say music and applause.
Most of the time when I hear "It's not accurate," It's a sight/scope problem.
Fa Kenews I think just as often it's "operator error" that results in poor accuracy
Finally a person who explained how accurate a weapon is. It is as accurate as the person who uses it. I believe the more you use a particular weapon the more proficient you become with that weapon. Oh and by the way the 230 yd shots with the desert eagle and the .45 beautiful use of skill. it taught me something on sighting I was not aware of. Thank you for your posts
Soooo which one is more accurate ? lol
Yes.
In my opinion, spending some time bench resting a pistol is a good thing. you pointed out a lot of variables, and your exactly right. I like to put a fair amount of rounds through my pistols off a good solid rest to see where they shoot. this gives me a good base line of where it is shooting before I go off hand shooting. It seems as a good indicator to me of what effect my grip, trigger, and other things do to my point of impact. but in all actuality, the real concern of accuracy is far better placed on rifles rather than pistols
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience in trying to help people love the sport of shooting and understand what and how to shoot their firearm with out being intimidating, and having patience with folks. I appreciate you and John and your videos. 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I think your spot on about the topic of "accuracy". Any reasonable quality handgun is capable of better groups that the shooter. It comes down to how particular features suit the individual shooter skill and needs.
Good stuff. Precision and accuracy were the topics of one of the first lectures we had in an engineering class in college. As for shooting. Time behind the sights and shooting are the only things to make the shooter more accurate. When I was 10 yrs old, I learned that with my Daisy BB gun I had to hold over the target one barrel width at 25 yards (I shot it a lot and the spring was weak). But, I learned it by shooting a ton of BBs...
Been watching hickok45 for many years. So refreshing to listen to this man's wisdom and knowledge. Watching him shoot in this video tells me that his thoughts on accuracy are 100% true. What would you bring to a gunfight with hickok45? Nothing - stay away!
Hickcock45, very well stated. Defensive handguns aren't primarily designed to shoot bulls eyes and tight groups. I have always thought what you stated regarding the silly emphasis on "accuracy". I believe reliability and durability are the most important attributes of a defensive handgun. Most/all handguns are accurate enough for their intended purpose.
Great videos from Hickok45. After 46 years of shooting handguns, I'd say that the biggest need we have is convenient access to (safe & affordable) ranges such as the one Hickok45 uses. Simple fact - and a big problem that needs to be solved.
As always, thank you for the great videos. I'm relatively new to the world of shooting sports and have been a subscriber for about 2 years now. The first pistols I purchased were the S&W Bodygaurd .380 and M&P shield 9mm. I shot both poorly despite considerable practice. This past winter I traded both pistols for a full size M&P 9mm. My groups have tightened up considerably and I'm finding my time at the range infinitely more enjoyable. I watched other (more experienced) folks fire my smaller pistols "accurately" with little effort. The guns weren't inaccurate, my operation and handling of them was just sub par. Don't blame the tool, blame the fool operating it.
Preach it brother Hickok ... I wish I had seen this years ago, being 10+ years behind the curve is not so bad for me, I've always been a little on the slow side.
This video is perhaps the most relevant video you've ever made ... I know it's had a huge common sense impact on me. Thanks and cheers ...
Hickok 45 thank you very much for the 101 lesson. Absolutely Awesome.
Thank You Hickok45,
I enjoy watching your videos,
Regarding accuracy, I really don’t think accuracy is relevant to the guns, we should speak about precision. The ability to shoot all rounds every time in same place.
Accuracy though, it the ability to place the bullet in the exact point we want.
If the gun has its natural ability to gather the shoots, (precision)
The shooter should do one of two:
1) Adjust to the gun - Learn how and set the hand better
2) If he can not get it right- look for a different gun setting.
Once all fits- you are happy.
+Yos B Everybody calls it "accuracy," so it would just confuse everybody to start calling it "precision."
Absolutely agree
Case in point. I never noticed the difference between guns like you say Hickock. I made sure I learned how to shoot 1" groups at 25 yards with all my handguns. I don't always do that, but don't have to. When I pay attention,slow fire,two hands,off hand, I will eventually shoot 1" groups at 25 yards. On very bad days never worse than within a few inches of what I aim at. Three things are certain: 1)Practice makes you shoot better groups. 2)Firearms are more accurate than most shooters abilities. 3)Comparing accuracy of handguns is senseless unless you are a world class shooter. As usual Hickock shares his practical minded thinking. Thanks.
Also: Line up sights to bulls eye,keep the sights on the bulls eye, bullet hits bulls eye. With most handguns.
Truly legendary
Hickok45 is always the greatest shooter you'll ever see
I am older guy! I totally agree! My only problem occured about 4 or so years ago. I entered into the "polymer world"! Yep, late bloomer lol!
From 1911 in .45 or 9mm for over 40 years was a "accuracy" issue being I was not shooting these guns well! 1911's and steel revolvers for decades!
I had not seen this fun video before, as a Dutch language teacher I appreciate it when someone is being very precise with words.
Hickok's assertion that:'this gun is more accurate' really means : "I shoot this gun more accurately" really rings true to me.
It reminds me of someone telling me : "broccoli is nasty." What they mean is: "I don't like the taste of broccoli."
You've nailed the topic hickok45. Great to see some sanity thrown into the conversation.
"Sanity"? Now, let's not get carried away; nobody ever accuses ME of being sane. :-)
@@hickok45 we love your work, brother. Interestingly enough, we came to the same conclusions on accuracy in 2014 before we saw your video from 2010. Great minds....
Hickock is the wisest man for fire arms.
Thank you hickok45, this is what I've been telling people for a long time as a firearms instructor. The only time I've seen discernable accuracy discrepancies, have been with very poorly made "Saturday night special" guns, which normally are very short barreled anyway making them only useful at very close distances.
More sage advice. Thanks again. I truly enjoy all your videos.