Airbus A320 pilots' view ILS Approach CAT III LOWW-VIE in bad weather
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Watch an Airbus 320 perform a CAT III autoland approach procedure at Vienna Airport Runway 29. Listen to ATC and pilot communication, enjoy the point of view as if YOU were one of the pilots. Lowest minimum on A320 is 75m RVR, NO DH.
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The end of the video is where the REAL work begins....finding the gate in that muck.
Dang. Now that's trusting your instruments.
apiece ofdirt
There’s an element of trusting the instruments, but the pilots closely monitor them should something go wrong. The instruments are doing a lot of work but pilots try not to get too complacent in always trusting them.
Junior Thing is pilot’s are such experts at what they do, if you were an actual pilot and trained i doubt you would
@Junior A cringe? You mean relief?
If you do not train yourself to trust your instruments, you’d crash in about 178 seconds.
Look up “178 seconds to live”.
Instruments can fail. What you are trusting here is redundancy.
That was stunning. I can't imagine landing with no visibility until the landing lights are seen at two hundred feet. My respect to those in the cockpit.
Made me nerves just watching and those approach light's never looked so good
Its all automatic. You can hear they disengage the autopilot after they have already landed. Their job essentially is to keep cool.
Also to autopilot
my guy, respect to the autopilot
@@rykehuss3435 yes but you have to be very experienced and mentally skilled to put your trust in a 200+ ton vehicle flying on its own. Pilots rarely use autopilot when landing or taking off so there is much skill needed.
A common misconception about the autoland procedure is that the pilots simply "sit back and watch it all happen" without any input whatsoever, which is not the case at all.
While they may not be physically manipulating the primary flight controls (elevator/aileron/rudder), they are still monitoring the approach and manually operating everything else, including the flaps, landing gear, spoiler arming, and retarding the thrust levers during the flare. They are also watching for any deviations from the safe approach path and airspeed, ready to initiate a go-around/missed approach if it all starts going wrong. The autopilot certainly isn't 100% fool proof and must be treated with great respect and without complacency.
Also, to all those people saying the conditions weren't CAT III, and that an autoland wasn't required: a valid conclusion of the actual prevailing conditions cannot be drawn from just watching the video. The ATIS at the time most likely advised that conditions were dropping below CAT I, meaning it would be advisable to use the aircraft's autoland system in anticipation of the conditions REDUCING BELOW the minimums required for a manual landing. After all, that's what this system is there for - to provide a safe method of landing the aircraft in very poor visibility :)
An excellent and very informative video!
Alexander McAllister u dont say...
Also, Boeing has the same technology which is used quite often as well.
What mechanism does auto-pilot system use to find and land the airplane exactly on the runway in no visibility?
amaster87 You might know, but you are not alone on youtube, you know that smartass.. there are many people who don’t know half as much as you do, so show at least some respect to Alexander for explaining it.
A lot... There is beacon shooting to the sky and it uses that and some other parts.
They should classify this as a "can't see shit" approach
Css, nice
ATC: Cleared for CSS landing on runway two-niner.
I mercy of instruments
I agree!
Aaaah, the old CSS approach 😉
I can not explain the good feeling you have when you punch out and see those beautiful colorful runway lights.
I´ve had that experience on 16th of dec 2022 on flight EW 9558, TFS to DUS, arriving at 5:20 p.m. The captain told to passengers already 1 hour before landing about a difficult landing because of extreme bad weather situation in DUS. My seat in A320 was Window 9A. 2 minutes before landing the aircraft was diving into the clouds - I could see landinglights exactly in the moment the aircraft touched the ground - for me amazing. Reducing of speed was normal. At all moments of this approach I felt safe. Thank You to the very good crew!
without auto-pilot landing could be difficult it seems, esp since the runway didnt appear till 200ft above surface, scary, leaves no room for error, great video - thanks
You are right.
Just incredible the way lights show up when it reaches just 200 feet. A completely auto pilot controlled landing.
I'm an instrument rated pilot and fully understand all this....but it still blows my mind every time I see it.
2:57 I feel like Stephen hawking is mad at me
Boeing's voices are decidedly more pleasant.
Actually they care not meant to be "pleasant", but raise your attention. Think of Neil Diamond singing an important warning...
he died
Did it said retard? 😀
*this makes me admire ILS so much more*
@starjack24:
That depends: during an autoland approach with NO decision height "automatic rollout" is required, thus the autopilot must remain on until the aircraft reaches taxi speed, until that time the autopilot also maintains runway centerline.
During autoland approach with "manual rollout" the a/p has to be switched off after mainwheel touchdown and the captain needs to maintain runway centerline.
Does an ILS approach with no decision height exist? I thought with a CAT 3 approach it is at min. 50 ft AGL.
As far as I know, the AP disconnects as soon as you make any rudder or tiller inputs.
Of course there are lower minimums than CAT IIIa (50ft), as stated the lowest is 0ft ("no") decision height.
During an autoland approach and the automatic rollout you DON'T make ANY inputs with rudder/sidestick/tiller for the reason you mentioned.
***** All Cat III approaches have zero decision height but they are differentiated by the suffix a,b or c denoting the Runway Visual Range (RVR) limits. Cat IIIb being the lowest visibility...& I'm guessing RVR 100' - 150'? These approaches are made during extreme low ceiling/visibility conditions & are not available at all airports. The aircraft must also be equipped (3AP) & signed out to perform the approach. Generally Cat I & II are more the norm...most airports.
That's not true:
No DH= RVR 75m
20' DH=RVR 150m
50' DH=RVR 200m
All of these are CAT III with automatic landing, only the lowest minimum also requires also automatic roll-out.
+AirplanetvCOM Thanks for the correction. However this is a sticky subject among pilots & lots of "ambiguity" by the regulatory authorities (ICAO/FAA/JAA) with respect to CAT III minima.
Airbus - CAT I/CAT III Operations. www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/1480.pdf
For CAT III operations, the JAA defines Decision Height.
"Decision height is the wheel height above the runway elevation by which a go-around must be initiated 'unless' adequate visual reference has been established with the aircraft position and approach path being assessed as satisfactory to continue the approach and landing in safety (JAA)."
The critical element for CAT III approaches is "visibility"...cloud ceiling is actually a non issue. It means - providing the visibility meets the RVR requirements for that particular CAT III A,B or C approach & the aircraft/crew are suitably certified for the type of approach, an approach & landing can be initiated. Interpretation for CAT IIIA means when the aircraft is at RA = 30m you should have not less than 200m (RVR) of forward visibility or CAT IIIB, not less than 50m (RVR) of forward visibility to legally & safely complete the landing. Unfortunately the CAT III definitions are quite ambiguous...read on.
2.2.1 CAT III A
ICAO and FAA definition
A category III A approach is a precision instrument approach and landing with "no decision height" or a decision height lower than 100ft (30m) and a runway visual range not less than RVR700ft (RVR200m).
Here is the "ambiguity"! Quote: "....no decision height or a decision height lower than 100ft (30m).....etc..." unquote. Interpretation? "no decision height" means zero feet (0")! Or...lower than 100ft. could mean "100', 99', 98'.......5', 4', 3', 2', 1', 0'......no decision height! Ambiguous!?
CAT III B similar interpretation: No DH or DH lower than 50' ....meaning 50',49', 48'....3',2'.1',0'!
0:16 I was flying a 737-600 PMDG (P3D) into KHRL at night and it was very foggy and low clouds. Using Precipit FX 737 package, i was able to experience that. The lights hitting the fog and clouds, strobe lights reflecting off them also. It was a real treat. Great video. Regards, from the USA.
I know this is quite old, but still props for having one of the best pea soup landing videos on RUclips. Love it
Is he playing guitar hero at 2:40?
lol, clever... very clever.
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LMAO!SMART
kkkkkkkk nice
Ahhhh
that illusion "that You are too high"
amazing how technology has made it possible!
Nice thing about those foggy low ceiling nights. Never a xwind.
All I am amazed by sheer calmness of the pilots.
"Sir the auto-landing computer has failed"
"Fuck..have to wing it then"
spasman that's why they have 2 auto pilots
just follow the glide sloape
Whenever the plane doesn't crash it's amazing.
Wow, this is amazing! I love technology!
I fly and it still amazes me. Even how a plane can fly. Just amazing.
Hello! I wonder if I could use apiece of this video for a video I am creating about approaches, I would link to your channel of course, thanks
Hi, as long as you link back I’m okay with it.
Seeing those beautiful jewels of landing lights come out of middle of nowhere reminds me why I fell in love with flying. In flying almost everything is drenched in elegance but filled with a lot of meaning; maybe I'm just an airplane nerd or maybe it's time to go to bed. lol. It's amazing we human-beings have learned to fly even though we were never meant to.
Thanks dear ILS , gracias querido ILS , "QUE SERÍA SIN USTED HE HE ."
AWESOME...flying blind. The technology is amazing.
Yes it is.. It needs a lot of trust in the technology but it's accuracy is amazing every time.
Not flying bling. They can't see, but they know
exactly where they are in respect to the airport.
Its not blind exacly, but zero insight
@@Airplane_TV you mean Thrust in the technology :)
I know everyone watching was on the edge of their seat ! Holly, that's a CAT III landing with white knuckles.... that was great team work !!
CAT 111 Excellent Captain!! Thanks for sharing video
2:45 landing into heaven.
That's mindboggling.
I remember landing in Myrtle Beach and there thick fog the whole time. I was just in awe how easily the pilot landed it. Amazing world we live in.
And once they have that auto-taxi thingomagic working...
Thanks for the upload.
Great Clip !
I may or may not have been screaming "GO AROUND. GO AROUND DAMN IT" at the 300 callout. LOL.
The capital of my country. Woww this Austrian Pilots are amazing
That was AMAZING. The trust the Pilots had to put into the plane and instrument Gauges. Nothing was in sight till 500 feet. Good Job. I would hire them both to become my "Permanent" Pilots whenever I fly.
I am always scared as fck when the plane flies into the clouds. Especially on foggy nights.
It was satisfying to hear in the end that it was the autopilot mode going on
Chirp Chirp Chirp (The noise) is the autopilot disconnecting. ("Autopilot comes off", Chirp Chirp Chirp).
What an amazing piece of kit the autopilot is.
"We found the runway -- now to find the gate!"
I once landed in ice fog early in the morning, I thought we were still up in the clouds when we touched down, scared the shit out of me.
That is frightening. Flying with no visibility. That too at night time. Thats why pilots are great. I would be praying all the time in such a flight
Just got a briefing on the 787 instrumentation....fantastic.
The Airbus AP is almost a Master Piece.
even the Boeing AP!
Accuracy creates life in this situation
"Approach, landing, and rollout are fully automatic" makes me think of the autopilot in the movie Airplane
that's why the ILS, approch is the best option during IMC's.
die mensch-maschine is truly unstoppable
Oh my... this is complete blind landing and absolute blind trust in the assisting systems. Amazing.
It's all 90/150hz. And a glideslope laid on its side with extra antennas is a localizer.. The theory is basically the same. Techs do constant far field DDM measurements at predetermined points on the airfield. Not to mention the constant flight checks to ensure the ILS is operating as its supposed to.
Beautiful approach lights!!
I don't do fear very well! But they handled that beautifully, nice job
watching this makes me so happy im going for my private... what a cool job
WOW YOU REALLY HAVE TO TRUST YOUR INSTRUMENTS TO THIS ! ! ! THESE PILOTS ARE THE BEST FLYING INTO LOW CLOUD COVERAGE
Congratulations, Chief Pilo!
Nerves of steel. That is some kind of automation.
This is scary.
As passenger, I had a similar landing in Lisbon a couple of years ago. I could barely see the wingtip and only saw the ground some 15 seconds before touchdown. The only clue I had about what we were doing was the gear extension and flap setting. Being an Air Traffic Controller, I'm used to be in charge and have all the information I want. Believe me, it therefore gets so much harder to be left in the dark- literally - with just my wristwatch and hoping for the best!
Not being able to see the runway until touchdown is a very strange feeling for pilots, too. But at least we have all the information that it's in fact where we want it to be..
LOWW is a real challenge. You've got rocks close and to either side of you. Go around is not an option.
This is serious flying.
I guess you mean Innsbruck, LOWI. You cannot perform auto-lands there, and In Vienna there are no rocks ;-)
@@Airplane_TV LOWI I for INNSBRUCK - yes, plenty of rocks especially just after the NDB bit before the descent with the glide. In the event of a go around the trees are below you on the left and the rocks are to the left, but you have no way of knowing how far left you can go before that right turn back onto the same runway and you could land but you can't see so if you make it round the bend you could even try a go around from that but only on good VMC.
You are confusing me again :-)
One impressive technology
What happens if there are cross wind also ??
Does it autoland in that conditions also ?
I like how the plane resisted the urge to insult the pilot until the very last second.
what amazing technology to be able to do that!
Fabulous flying!
Well.. It's the autopilot system in this case, but still it's fabulous ;-)..
How cool is that then......+ 1 like for the Pilot.
which one? :p
These pilots are so frigging cool!
Pena que aqui no Brasil ainda não tenhamos a possibilidade de ver um pouso como esse, mostrado nesse vídeo ! Não temos como usar o sistema 'autoland', pois não possuímos aeroportos com CAT III instalados por aqui !
Sim, mas você tem um clima melhor ;-)
great video the boeing 727 is my favorite plane took my first trip on one im takinggg flying lessons i have about 25 ifr training hours with a cfi
I wish you good luck with your IFR training, but it will be hard to find a decent 727 thereafter. I do know a very nice one with VIP interior and winglets ;-)
Автопилот сработал четко!
This was awesome, but am wondering if there are any autopilot systems which can land or help land in crosswinds?
Depending on aircraft a certain amount of crosswind is allowed with autoland, but it's far less than with manual landings.
very nice, but we landed an-32 in same condition by hands in LDZA, vertical visibility through nav window was 200ft but pilots visibility was about 150ft
And? Did you feel safe?
"Instruments". Stunning landing.
autoland is so awesome, you can literally land the plane safely without even looking up from the controls.
Absolutely amazing.
Got to love the ILS.
This is incredible
I was holding on tightttttt to that windshield wiper!!! Lol
we landed like this in gothenburg sweden with computer guided landing.. the pilots didnt do anything, i could see the runway first at about 30 meters above ground, it was so foggy.. a little scary but amazing technology when you think about it
That is good safe air line that have modern technology
like...good job!
Serious earning of the monthly salary cheque.....
Technically, as per protocol, if the approach lights aren’t visible after the plane is 300 ft above ground, pilots have to do a go-around.
No, this is a CAT III approach without any decision height. This means the decision for landing or go around is done when the main wheels touch the runway.
fantastic auto land!!
Perfect
My mate is a pilot, he said the trust they have in the plane is 100% but the trust in the AP is always 95%, he doesn't like to leave it to land. He said the AP will land the plane safely not necessarily the passengers whereas a pilot will land both. He has had to do auto lands on the odd occasion but says he wants to look passengers in the eye and know their safety was always paramount. The systems on these planes are incredible but there are still those decisions from time to time that a human will make in the interests of the people on board that the AP won't consider. They're by no means dangerous but they could be the difference between messy underpants and not messy underpants. Lol
I do autoland in about three percent of my landings, that's when they are legally required due to the weather. I do trust my systems, but flying manually is more fun of course.
The pilots see the runway at only 200 ft which make them anxious... It would be less stressing if a powerful camera give them the runway lighting far from the airport! That would be a good improvement for cat III landing !
200ft and 800m is single pilot ir qualified minimum. The approach lights came in sight at 200feet
As stated a hundred times, the video is about the procedure, not about the actual weather minimum ;-)
That is incredible
Perfect landing 👍🙌👌👍👍👍
When does A/P get off ? is it after applying thrust reserver ? thanks for sharing very useful video for students..
Great Job Guys !!!
Dios mío que impresió, que tiempo tan horrible, pero se ve espectacular..
Schönen guten Morgen
Cat IIIc saves the day once more...
Nice landing but it would be nice if we could see the instruments also and not a blank screen the whole time.
They turned the autopilot off after landing. Go Airbus!
I like my day job even more now 👍
Pilot " sir increase my salary I landed in fog zero visiblity".😂😂😂
Wow, incredible!
Are the flaps automatic extended too, in such a landing? Or the pilots just verbally confirm the movement of the flaps?
27scumpi no, there is no automatic configuration change whatsoever, be it flaps, landing gear or thrust reverser.
this looks pretty much like driving into fog banks, and we don't have stuff like ILS or CAT III on my car, and the guy somewhere behind me, neither, I guess.