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Disco Elysium - Kingdom of Conscience
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- Опубликовано: 28 янв 2022
- To get this either: Pick up the pants near the fishing village and wear them or choose neutral/moderate dialogue options (Don't be pro-capitalism, don't be pro-communism, don't be pro-nationalism)
I love how electrochemistry, which is usually the most antisocial, self-destructive skill of the whole pack, is the only one to see through the hypocrisy and self-righteousness of moralism.
You can also take its comments as Electrochemistry simply finding the moralist lack of radicalism boring. Electro likes to party, to get on with *it*, to waste Harry's body in as many ways as possible as quickly as possible. There's nothing in incremental change that would excite it.
@@martinmortyry7444 Yeah. Pretty sure Electrochemistry's whole thing is Instant Gratification.
The way empathy emphasizes "INCREMENTALLY." to nail centrism on the head was perfect
The Kingdom of Conscience has long since forgotten my name, and I am EAGER to make them remember
The blood of Cuno stains your fist
This thought has some of my favorite prose in the game
"Look up to the sky, and see the Coalition aerostatics floating above. Think to yourself, is there something sinister in Moralism? No. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal." Fucks so hard.
LOGIC [Medium:Success]: What rationality...
COMPOSURE [Medium:Success]: What sangfroid...
VOLITION [Medium:Success]: What benevolence...
ELECTROCHEMISTRY [Medium:Success]: What a fucking joke!
all 4 are absolutely true
thanks, didnt see that at all wow
its funny how impossible some people seem to think sticking to positive moral ideals seems to be. most people don't want to sacrifice any level of their own comfort to objectively improve things
I like how this game has a bit of shaming even for centrism, this dialogue shows how it appears like a reasonable position but by the end of it hints at how avoiding to improve things "too fast" can lead to hardly improving them at all
or the smug
"tsk tsk" reminding you to make sure that you dont get too smug about being rational.
Even for centrism? Centrism deserves the most derision of all!
@@memyself4852 yes, because democracy is bad blabla
@@KangMinseok lmao
More than once "centrists", in other words social-democrats or even left-liberal governments have managed to successfully push for neoliberal "reforms" (as they like to call them) on a scale no openly right-wing/conservative government would dare or could do (one thing that comes to mind is the axing of the German welfare state around the year 2000 by the then-ruling Social-Democratic Party).
That is because the former have, unlike conservatives, representation among the working class and are thus able to stifle protests against such measures much more efficiently.
What would otherwise be met with openly hostile mass protests is instead successfully brought to pass because "Thanks to us, workers, we were able to reduce the newly reduced wages [or whatever other bullshit the capitalists wish these class traitors to implement] to a minimum in reduction. It might not be perfect, we understand, but there is no alternative, we have to be realistic* here, folks".
God, I hate social-democrats so much. Once I realized what treacherous snakes those "people" are, I started reading Lenin and Trotsky and it is astonishing, even if only logical, that so, so much of what he says is still applicable to a T to this very day.
*indeed, one wing of the German Green Party, back when they still had to a large degree the making of a genuinely left-wing party, bore the name Realos, roughly to be translated "Those who wish to engage in realistically possible politics [as opposed to all the supposedly radical pipe dreamers]". See also "realpolitik"
I love how none of the political ideologies in the game are shown to be perfect. They all have flaws that the game throws shade at. Like you think listening to this thought that oh maybe centrism is the game thinks is best and then you start hearing more stuff about the coalition and go “oh no oh dear” and oops nothings perfect and you have to decide what flaws you’re comfortable compromising with.
or alternatively choose no set political ideology and compromise nothing
course its awfully hard to get things done all on ones lonesome
You are not wrong, but still the game leans heavily towards being left-wing. Communism gets a lot less shit on than the other ideologies, I'd say. Especially taken into account the statements of the Deserter towards the end, when he describes what the face of moralism looks like, once it takes off its mask. And moralism is the ruling ideology, as of the time the game takes place! And then there's ultraliberalism, which isn't taken seriously at all. "DIOS MIO, A LIBERAL!"
@@wawawuu1514 I mean you could still take his sentences regarding moralism as another delusional statement of his since he has those in surplus.Any attempts to be sympathetic towards him ends in the next paragraph he says and all agrees he is an incel,communism is taken seriously as…a failed ideology that killed millions.He still gets a lot shit.
@@wawawuu1514 the Deserter is presented as a hate filled maniac who actively hates *slightly different* flavors of communism and murdered a woman for not being corrupt. He's hardly a glowing ideal of marxist ideology.
@@wawawuu1514 Nilenesian is literally Lysenkoism, Posadism, Maoism, and North Korea rolled into one. The Deserter mocks markets and the coalition rule, but he's also a crazy person in the reeds who openly acknowledges the fanaticism of the commune and its crazy aspects (like legalizing pedophilia). Social Democrats get the best representation, but they are basically just a drug selling mob in the game.
Possibly the most evil vision quest
Centrists in a fascist state is to just let fascism continue
Help! Im a moralist!
It's sad how people completely misunderstand moralist approach. It may seem like a fairy tale, but so does the other factions. The Electrochemistry passive is pretty accurate; for many people base their political alignments based on raw emotions instead of steady rational thought. In my honest opinion, I just see moralism as the best way to look onto life; you can't stop a drunkard in downward spiral with eugenics or hustling or revolution, but you can bring him to a steady and composed mindset with little things, sweet as they are. I am not ignoring moralist's cons; bureaucracy is pretty bad, but, so does every other ideology. In the end, the steady man could remain composed and listen to Measurehead or Joyce or Steban, and internalize the reason why they are oscillating in their niches of thought. The Kingdom of Conscience is the silent mutual co-operation and acknowledgement of ideological hypocrisy, and moving on; slow but steady; little things means a lot.
"The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is *control*. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth."
And yet it is the 'moralist' who shrieks for the police to break the teeth of anybody who pleas for a single increment of progress.
tuhsk tuhsk
as a radical centrist, I approve this message
Slow down there hot shot, don't you want wait and see what your *peers* think of this message first? Don't want to *rush* things now do we?
>post-national
>reasonable