Dragon Quest 8 3DS New Scene: Dhoulmagus's Past
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- Dragon Quest 8 3DS New Scene: Dhoulmagus's Past
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Character in outro: Jessica Albert, ゼシカ (Dragon Quest 8)
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Trode was 100% correct about Rylus. If Rylus spent less time on an elixir and more time on teaching Dhoulmagus simple, but useful magic that would tide him over until the elixir was completed, such a mess would not have happened.
Seems that Rylus cared more about his elixir and having a ready test subject for it.
Such a mess.... Such a pity....
Spending years doing nothing but cleaning and feeling like a servant makes Dhoulmagus' desperation to learn magic acceptable. He'd been taken in by a great magician, but spent years learning nothing. He probably felt cheated. Rylus probably should have told him earlier that his work was to help awaken Dhoulmagus' potential. That might have avoided their falling out.
No doubt a lot of this rests on Rylus. It was downright irresponsible to spend years with Dhoumagus and not tell him a darn thing. Years that he was working on that elixir and he didn't think it would be a good idea to let his apprentice know that?
FlareKnight That's what happens when someone perceives their actions to be above explanation and for the best. That doesn't work for everybody and sometimes you have to come clean about what you're doing. Rylus' words and actions were the direct catalyst for not only his own death but many others.
Your a fanfic author like me.
@@dbstewart86 I think this is definitely a theme in the game. The Great Sorcerer realizing he failed his entire family after that servant's death was another example. The Monster Village chief reveals she never told the young boy "for his own good" about his sage ancestry, only for it to completely backfire when he ran off to make a living for himself.
I don't feel like Rylus would have taught him anything at all. It seemed more like he abused him as a cheap slave. "A dog would have been a better apprentice, at least it listens" is nothing a caring person would say. Also I don't think cleaning the floor actually helps you learning magic in any way.
6:47
I always found this part very sad.
He spent years trying to awaken his potencial.
But due to taking years and miscommunication, Dhoulmagus felt he was cheated.
The day Rylus finally found and perfected the elixir was too late as Dhoulmagus was already possessed by the Sceptre.
*Such a pity*
I see what you did there!
(does a magic light show for 5 seconds)
“WHAT A REMARKABLE SHOW STAY AT THE CASTLE TONIGHT WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG”
You deserved this, Trode.
LOL, I found it rather surprising he just insulted Rylus like that.
lowkey the premise of Parasite (2019)
Ikr but at the same time
I find it funny how the castle's security was so low for someone who just did a couple of magic tricks.
Ironically, Dhoulmagus could have had a great career as an entertainer. Just the few tricks he learned were sufficient to gain him a night's stay at the castle. He could easily have taken to the road, performing for commoner and noble alike, and made a comfortable living off of it.
He wanted to be like the great sages though. Being an entertainer wasn't in his interest.
i doubt it. the starving artist is an archetype for a reason
Such a pity. If Rylus had only explained what he was working on to Doulmagus then maybe he would have been more patient with his master. Doulmagus might have taken solace in knowing his potential would be fully unlocked and that it was only a matter of time.
When it comes down to magic or even martial arts, with a master it's always a matter of time
Eltrio2 no because an apprentice must trust his master.
True and Rylus should have taught Dhoulmagus more magic tricks while working on the elixir.
@@TrainedByTheLord no because In these situations, it always takes an act of rebellion before the master ACTUALLY trains. Take Karate Kid for example, he was doing simple BS till he was tired of it, THEN his master showed him that he was training this whole time and decided to give him more useful training
@@TheLastFBIagentBut the situation in Karate Kid and this game is different. Simple chore in Karate Kid is actually the form of karate defense in Miyagi Do. But what would the chores Dhoulmagus is given by Rylus help him. He said it by himself Dhoulmagus doesnt have talent for magic until he got the staff, thats why he made that elixir. But without that, all those chore will do nothing to improve his magic.
Such a pity
Even after learning about his past with Rylus, I still have nothing but... pity for Dhoulmagus. Even with Rhapthorne's corrupting influence via the scepter, he killed four people.
If he really wanted to learn magic why didn't he just run around in a circle outside for 3 hours that's how I learned Kafrizzel
Jessica was training with spells for years. Gaining experience from monsters allowed her to tap into her latent abilities.
Sometimes I think they planned to add all this into the actual PS2 version, but they just didn't have time so saved it for the future till the 3DS version came
Poor Dhoulmagus at the end he was a good guy. The bad guies here are Rhapthorne and Leopold. I hate that dog
A pup has to be raised.
It is Sir Leopold for you.
Ikr especially how rylus at the end after years of research and experiment, he finally got the elixir to unlock the magic potential to dhoulmagus and allow him to wield any magic he wanted.
but at that time, it was *too late*
kinda sad story if you think about it.
But Leopold didn't do anything wrong.
In Sir Leopold's defense, he saw the scepter as a simple toy, as a dog, he would not have known of it's powers.
I wanted dhoulmagus to join the party after you got the staff away from him but in the end it was destroyed. Such a pity...
Yea but it couldn't happen because the staff made him undead before that happened. That's why he died.
@@malachite072Maybe they done with the bullshit they pulled in Dragon Quest IV by making the Final Boss of that become a new and strongest party member in the end with deus ex machina
a ps4 remake would be so awesome 😍
Nintendo switch would be dream come true
This! This is a good idea
playing the 3ds version on citra emu...looks awesome in 4k..66hours in..still remember lots of the game from ps2 days.;)
Yes
With the orchestra version
Awfully careless of the Grimoire writer to not include little details like the fact that the scepter is cursed and will possess anyone who holds it.
Or the fact that the Lord of Darkness is sealed within it.
Well it probably was written in there, but I think he just didn’t care. He wanted power, he didn’t care about what he had to do to obtain said power
@@FlyingTacticianMorgan or it was written in there but he couldnt read that passage as he was interrupted by Rylus
@@FlyingTacticianMorgan I don't think he knew it at all. After all, he wanted to use the scepter for personal reasons and become a great magician. He had nothing to gain by becoming Rapthorne's slave.
The relationship between master and apprentice has to be one of mutual trust.
In a way, I feel bad for Dhoulmagus after seeing this but then not really at the same time. He's like a lot of people you encounter in this game, not necessarily a bad guy but moreso an asshole at times, especially when it came to tricking people. Still, I don't blame him especially when Rylus treated him the way he did. Unfortunate for both of them in the end when Rylus tried to mend things and even had something for Dhoulmagus' magical capabilities.
Although the way he treated him was in fact because of the very nature of Sages, to work on something until they finish the project, but if he had explained the reason he was busy instead of treating his apprentice as just a slave it might have ended differently.
It’s all Rylus’s fault for his negligence
On the one hand, Dhoulmagus felt cheated, as if he were being just abused, used for nothing more than cheap labor. Rhylus was too focused on his own works to consider the reality of his apprentice. Perhaps he could have explained to the boy "I need to understand this formula for..." and then explained why he would spend so much time. A sage like him probably spends months, YEARS probably developing new formulas for magic and the like.
On the OTHER hand, Dhoulmagus should not have been so cocksure. Perhaps the reason why his master took so long, made him take so many chores was to teach him that sometimes, you have to take time, to learn the power of patience. That magic is not the cure to all ills, nor is the savior for everything. Yes, the staff probably would let you summon magic of all kinds... but at what cost? Your soul? The soul of everyone around you? Corrupted into becoming a demon? What about other magics? What if you cast a fire spell and it rages out of your grasp? What if there was more danger than just meets the eye?
Both sides have a point... but in the end, who can know.
Technically Dhoulmagus waited for years (not weeks or months, but years) without receiving any teaching and without learning anything believing he was simply at a standstill, and then he really didn't know what would happen to him if he took the scepter. He only thought it was a weapon that would give him immense powers and nothing else.
I do feel bad for Dhoulmagus, as he was treated like nothing more than a slave and Rylus NEVER taught him simple, yet wholly helpful magic (this could have made Dhoulmagus happy and allowed Rylus to work on the elixir in peace).
Also, when it comes to reading about the scepter, I can see Dhoulmagus not reading the fine print and going like a bull at a gate due to excitement of unlocking powers beyond belief. But, when he tricked the guard and blinded him, I must say, that was out of pocket and proof of bad intentions.
I played the PS2 version.
To have a tragic backstory to the penultimate villain. I have feels.
5:31 Dhoulmagus’s Face..
😂
His past personality is wonderful. The weak point of this scene is the timing. It should have taken years for dhoulmagus to decide what to do with the sceptre. If he really was a good and simple person, it should have taken years to process that goodness into rage, and that rage into action, and that action into lust for power.
Except that rage was still there deep down, slowly growing over the years of Rylus seemingly taking advantage of his desire to learn magic to get a servant.
Imagine you had a lifelong dream that someone promised to help you fulfill, but seemingly did nothing to actually help you take steps to fulfill that dream, and had you doing chores every day; then, you discover an artifact that will supposedly help you fulfill that dream. Most people are going to leap at that chance, and remember, Dhoulmagus doesn't kill the guard protecting the stairway to the scepter, so while he desperately wanted to be a true Mage, he didn't want it badly enough at that point to kill. However, before going much farther into that, we have to remember that, through game dialogue and context clues, not only is Dhoulmagus unable to properly deal with all that magic power from the staff(Rhapthorne's) being inside of him, but he doesn't have Marcello's stubbornness to resist the staff, allowing Rhapthorne to possess him; also remember what happens to his body after he's beaten; unlike with Sir Leoplold, his body straight up disintegrates, no corpse left behind; it's entirely possible that somewhere between Dhoulmagus getting the staff, and your final confrontation with him, Dhoulmagus dies, Rhapthorne's will and magic being the only thing driving his corpse along
Yeah. And that healing bubble he’s resting in is probably the only thing that’s keeping his body from completely breaking down.
@@QuickSilverKitsune I don't think Dhoulmagus let Rhapthorne control him on purpose. After all, even Jessica didn't have the willpower to resist. But that didn't make her weak.
it looks like the magic book in library in Arcadia
One of my favorite moments.
nobody: a
Dhoulmagus: pit!
7:14 uh you should have done that from the very start lol! if you did, then mabe he wouldn't have read that book and therefore he wouldn't have known about that magic weapon lol
yeah well logic never works in rpgs so XD
Really, you're going to go there. Like you've never seen miscommunication lead to problems in real life.
@@berzerkersteel2129 yea I know but still lmao
@@KLONOA105 indeed@_@
I only played the PS2 version and when I see the remains of the house I always say how I think Rylus is that cat that's always by the remains.
Rylus is dead, the seal wouldn't be broken otherwise.
What's with all of the 3DS hate?
Because, despite having a good library of games, it's technologically repugnant and has literally been behind the curve on hardware since the moment it came out.
Remember, a psp had wireless internet connection and was way ahead of Nintendo in the handheld entertainment market for a long time. Plus, the psp can have a entire library of ps1 games alone.
@@articusramos808 The PSP apparently uses the same processor as the PS1, making it innately compatible with ps1 games, which is awesome
Scenes were pretty cool. But I really would have liked to see when Dhoulmagus stopped being in the driver's seat and when Rhapthorne took over.
I get why he felt cheated, cleaning and feeling like a servant of a wizard and he learned nothing not a spell not one potion. Rylus would just have told him about his work of what it would do to his magic. If he did that whole mess and death would have been avoided
Rylus seems to be the least outwardly kind sage-descendant.
Poor Dhoulmagus. Boy, was he upset from the start?
8:36 Dark Knight Nurse Joker reference?
Damn it, Dhoulmagus/Rhapthorne! You're supposed to hover Rylus into the air and THEN impale him with magic stars! Didn't you see how Artorias did it?
/s
Big Brother Xellos or send him to another dimension and impale him..like ultimecia
...this was a joke on the censorship of the later referenced game.
"Suceeding you, father"
I never got far in this game but always wondered what happened with the bad guy.
To dhoulmagus. Boy you aren't ready
When does this scene happen?
After you defeat Dhoulmagus, talk to Kalderasha. I think.
It’s after you finish the entire battle with him.
And that’s why Dhoulmagus wanted absolute power
I feel bad for dhoulmagus he probably wasnt Himself anymore the moment he unleashe rapthorne power on the castle all he wanted is to wield Magic and become the best magician, not necesarily a BAD one but RAPTHORNE fucked everything, asshole.
He was clearly in control until he removed it from the circle. The curse he laid matched the cruel names he gave them. "King Troll and Princess Mare-dea" after all.
He was eliminating witnesses, since honestly, WHO would have believed that a Troll was their king? The soldiers would have slaughtered him, and Medea would likely have lived the rest of her days in a stable, had Dhoulmagus not then lost control of himself.
Well when a book says DO NOT TOUCH, you don't touch it.
damn. I wanna give Dhoulmagus a hug
Of course you mean prior to the scepter. If you tried to hug him after he got his hands on the scepter... well it’d be something like this: 7:43
@@duncaneigg8819 hug.
hug..stab..stab
@@lordlightning2339 lol you're not wrong
I keep watching this today and man Dhoulmagus is a bitch baby! XD
I think Dragon Quest VIII should be remade for PS4. 3DS is a waste.
The graphical downgrade was so disappointing when I started it
nerdman67 I agree but it’s not very noticeable. It’s worth it for the extra content. Made sense to release for 3DS overall
@@nanashi1173 no lol it was better on the big screen with the PS2
Hugh Jass Eh I enjoy RPGS on the go. I travel a lot so it’s kinda a necessity. To each their own though, I did love it on the big screen.
@@nanashi1173 all I can say is,this game looked beautiful on my PC and DQ12 looked great in my PC too. I'd hate for the latter to go to DS
Great game, would love to see it on Ps4.
I wanted why their voice is just like a comedian , i hope they remake it to modern and add some new missions
In the japanese version yangus goes "cor blimey grandad when'd you get 'ere?" why isn't that here?
That was from earlier.
Nobody:
Minecraft Villagers: 7:55
Kalderasha is Frank Zappa, change my mind
Some of these lines scream "Nintendo edits"
i dont see this in iOS version
That’s because what you see in the video is from the 3DS version. The IOS/Android version came out way before 2017, when it was remade for 3DS.
What emulator do you use to play ps2 games?
read the title. It's the 3DS remake.
PCSX2.
Just correct him, you've been on the internet long enough to know some people really are that oblivious and would think your asking about the game in general.
How do you unlock this?
I think just talk to Kalderasha after a certain point.
Alexandre Brochu I have a question, can you get Murray and Red in your party or just one of the two?
Alexandre Brochu thanks for the info ;)
Alexandre Brochu You mean Morrie and Red
Sista Jinx Thomas it was good to see new players expressing their interest in this on Miiverse. So sad to see Miiverse gone like the wind.
Wow...
Where did you get that scene?
I think you just talk to Kalderasha sometime late-game.
When does the story begun? After killing dholmangus or before?
You see this after dhoulmagus is already dead
Ps5 remake please!!
7:43 KO
What is this?
A new form of Whack?
XD OMG HIS VOICE!
This retcons quite a few things.
How?
Like what?
I mean Dhoulmagus backstory was non-existence in the original.
And it just shows what leads up to the start of the game.
After 4 years he never explained what it retconed, which was nothing
me when
It's a shame these scenes were never in the PS2 version, it makes the story more interesting. I do like the Nintendo3DS but it's an overrated console if you ask me.
Autsch
The story was quite predictable, actually.
Of course it is, it's a flashback that explains the events of things we already knew the ending of. How old are you son?
@@johnhein2539 lmfao dead😂😂😂
@@johnhein2539
Lol
I'm sorry but unlike the rest of the comments I cannot forgive doulmagus he was a grown adult, not a child.
He as a magician's apprentice 100% knew magic was dangerous his teacher told him he wasn't ready and everything that happend was all on him.
He rushed into magic rather then learning it slowly.
And this is where it got him.
While it is a very sad backstory, it does NOT make amends for all that he has done.
Doumagus was in the wrong and his teacher should have kept a closer eye on him.
@@AlphaSorrow Obviously his teacher should have taken better care of him. But still remembers that Dhoulmagus is no longer responsible for what he did, as he has been possessed by Rhapthorne.
LOL HE WAS SUCH A WHINER!
I think I was better off not know Dhoulmagus's backstory. Now my impression of him is the stereotypical gay trope
Wow...I came here to see what was the difference between ps2 and 3ds version of dq8. What's this scene ? Firstly it is really bad, the dialogues are empty and for me it just breaks the evil figure of Dhoulmagus, what's the point of making it a dull tragedy ? Is this a fantasy rpg with some mystery or a soap opera where "everyone has his reasons and everything is understandable". It's easy to see that this scene was not made by the same people or with the same intent than those who made the first version.
This scene is just shit, it has nothing to do with the game. I'm gonna see the other differences between the 2 versions but this start is really bad. I pity those who discovered the story on 3ds, ps2 was much more credible and less naive I think.
I am truly disappointed.
I think the scene is kinda meh as well, but I don't think it's worth getting too upset over.
All staff owners were possessed...the second you learn that, you should've known he likely wasn't just a dick
How sad they couldn't be witty or blown you away with any satire too bad they didnt live up to your expectations how sad
Such a pity that your opinion and comment is retarded.
Oh god... This dub is so horrible.
If only Rylus can keep his mouth shut, then the whole game would not happen
Actually this all happened because he _DID_ keep his mouth shut. About _the Elixir._
such a pity