DF Retro: PlayStation Classic Review - Great Games, Poor Emulation
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- This could - and should - have been a lot better. DF Retro Hardware returns with a deep dive analysis into the PlayStation Classic, its games and the quality of its emulation stacked up against every way that matters when it comes to revisiting one of gaming history's most important consoles.
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What's so hard about just allowing emulation on a PS4?
They dont want to spend money
Sony = Draconian dictatorship ......thats whats wrong
Sony: "Nobody wants to play those old games on a new video game console."
Money
Because then genuine consoles will lose their value and its expensive to implement it
I can't understand why Sony chose Rainbow Six instead of Medal of Honor. That's just dumb.
They might have not gotten the license for that game.
Licensing which is why GoldenEye will highly likely never be on an n64 mini
Steve pretty good chance for golden eye actually, Microsoft owns rare and Microsoft and Nintendo have a great business relationship overall.
They’ve collaborated several times this year alone
@@MilanStarks But Microsoft doesn't really own Golden Eye either, there are a lot of license issues there.
Lyfe rare doesn’t own the GoldenEye licence it has nothing to do with them unfortunately, it’s a mess basically :(
This is basically 25 minutes of John ROASTING the shit out of the lazy PlayStation devs who created this turd of a product - i enjoyed every precious minute of it!
£90 for an emulator with downgraded visuals/audio wtf.
For a free emulator..
Bought a psp for 20 bucks a few months ago. Great value, since it can emulate anything less powerful than n64 and has a great library of games.
Didn't people find that this PSone classic is actually using ePSXe emulator? Feels like a rushed product that has 0 value.
That's what we call a rip off my friend!
They should have gone with Qualcomm and a better emulator implementation.
For the players............
For the shareholders.............,
payers*
It's a Sony ©
For the money
For the payers....
It is baffling to think Sony would charge $100 for something AtGames-quality.
its not quite as low quality as At-Games, but its close. i'm just gonna hack it & put the entire libraries of Arcade, NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, PS1 & Saturn games on it
@@user-kj4od7ig3t Why, the emulation seems bad on in it, unless you plan on swapping the software and trying to put a different emulator on it.
@ DHGMRZ17: i'll probably end up doing exactly that.
I don't get the old console trend, you can buy any of these Controllers for pc and get an emulator, even wireless and a way to output pc to TV is cheaper than 100 bucks
@ karel van der Wal: collectors want the official branded merch
This $100 turd doesn’t even come with a DualShock controller. PS1 Classic is a total con job.
If it had dual shocks, it probably would've been $150
i like the original (non dual shock) controllers, in fact in ps1 era ive only had those.
BUT the main thing wich is "run the games well/better than the original" it lacks so...its sad.
The original non-DS controllers may have been better for most games, but not including them meant no Ape Escape, and that's one of the few games that should have made it to this thing.
@@evilzinabyssranger5695OG DS gamepads were awesome !! They shouldn't have EVER changed them.
Bunch of junk
My phone can run ps1 game more smoothly and 16x anti-aliasing than ps1 classic
and your phone costs over 50% more
@@danuzz_ but also can hold more than 20 games. What is your point?
Most high end smartphones cost over $700. I get what you're saying but it's not a fair comparison
@@lightingthief4482 The hardware is better and more expensive.
@@automata. My Note 4 still runs PS1 games better than this.
What a pile of trash, wow....
A $50 Goodwill donated laptop runs these games better, LMAO!
I bought a week ago the PS2 Slim with a 32GB memory for 30 dollars. Now is hacked and it works better/ is better that a PS Classic. Also I can play awesome games not included here like Crash, Tony Hawk, Gran Turismo, Street Fighter vs Xmen, Klonoa, Glover, and more.
Miguel Angel Otero Alverde Is is a SCPH-7000x?
@@theobserver4214 I don't know the correct model. Why?
Even a 30 onboard pc like raspberry does just much better, more games, more quality, less cost
@@hansnystrompastor8690 What do you call a Raspberry Pi with emulators loaded on it? Raspberry Piss.
They're interesting hobbyist microPCs useful for many things, but good god... the input lag when running emulators on one is a deal breaker.
Unacceptable. Glad I cancelled my preorder. What a shame!
SAD!
uh just hack the thing & put a different emulator & the entire library of PS1 games on it... thats what 90% of people are going to do with this thing.
@@user-kj4od7ig3t good look having the whole library on 16gb, but if you want to waste $100 you can do it obviously
@@user-kj4od7ig3t It only has 16 gb internal memory so you wont be putting more than maybe 25 games on it total. And those old non-analog controllers cramp your hands to hell. It's worthless.
@ matuzaato: i like the PS1 shell, the replica USB controllers (which im sure will be hacked to work on PC soon) the UI interface & the intro sound when you turn it on... that'd be pretty cool to have on a cute little emulator box that i can throw in my bag & take to the hotel with me when i travel (yes i know u can do it on a phone)
It's ridiculous how even the Emulation on PSP surpasses the PS1 Classic by far
The PSP runs a proper MIPS processor that is likely ISA compatible with what the original Playstation used, so the most difficult bit needed no emulation as the code ran natively anyway.
He stated in the video that the PSP uses similar hardware and only requires partial emulation. Not that I'm defending this POS in any way, but it's simply a matter of a shoddy software choice instead of limitations of the Classic itself.
Bleemcast for Dreamcast does a better job than this I think. The Playstation classic is basically Sony's equivalent of Sonic Genesis on GBA (Check that out for some free childhood memories ruined)
@@Noobsaibot21 Maybe, but it only supported a couple of games on dreamcast iirc, likely with corner cutting hacks specific for those games. The desktop version is definitely not comparable to any modern ps1 emulator in terms of compatibility.
PSP emulated PS1 better than the PS3 did, dang it.
“The PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?"
Jim Ryan, Sony Head of Global Sales & Marketing
Hardly anyone wants to play them, this is a collectors item. If you really want to play ps1 games then just use a ps1, ps2 or ps3
I would agree with his statement, but only because of the games they put on the system.
@@billygunn142 This is not a product for gamers.This is a product for people who had a Playstation when they were 13, stopped gaming at 15 and are now 33 and in for some nostalgia. Also collectors.
@@billygunn142 Like the 25 year old lasers aren't burning out left and right? FFS dummies like this..
@@BarHonigfeld nah this isnt for people who had original playstation, they know what is better.. but its for those who are "masses" who had no playstation on their childhood, who doesnt know which games were good or how they looked. so they will be fooled with bad quality.
This is an insult to gamers
Brownie Sg1 This is an insult to the developers of the games that worked hard to push the system to its limits.
An insult to mini consoles and overall Sony's legacy. Even a sony knock off mini console is better XP
What's an insult to gamers are the legions of PS4 fanboys always trashing the Xbox One. Not this..
Further proof that gamers are the most oppressed group in our society.
@@whiteknight5100 I've seen Playstation fans trashing this or just saying that they're not gonna buy it. Not really sure where you've been looking.
You had one job Sony. One. Job.
You also have one job and poor lifestyle
PS3 and PS Vita will do the job better.
yeah, I can play my favorite games, such as Digimon World 3, with Adrenaline flawlessly
yup, though PC is best
@@haysen123 I miss an official Digimon World 3 on the platfform. It is one of the games with most issues
You forgot PSP. Any ps one game you buy on psn works on PS3, Vita and the PSP.
@albert fish It is really baffling how much of a missed opportunity this PS1 classic is. Hundreds of PS1 games are sitting on the ps store, only thing Sony had to do was to put at least an ethernet port to the system to download and not fuck up the emulation that they perfectly achieved more than a decade ago but nope. I guess Sony just likes being called incompetent and hates money at the same time.
Perhaps the system can get hacked so that the emulator can be replaced with a more functional one.
I can almost guarantee somebody will swap out PCSX ReARMed for ePSXe, which I think would've been a MUCH better choice for this system.
Why even bother? You can get a Raspi for less than 35 bucks. And then you buy a PS1 "mini" case, or let someone print it.
Not only will you be cheaper. The system will be better as a whole.
There was a guy who 3D printed a NES Mini. And he made tiny cartridges that featured NFC wireless technology. He could also use his phone with NFC support, to load games on his self made NES classic.
Search for "Raspberry Pi Mini NES Classic Console
" by daftmike
Now imagine, $ony doing this. Or even install mini disc drives like the gamecube had. People would spend $120 on that system. + buy those CDs or NFC "memory" cards, what ever. The possibilities are endless.
But as usual, the corporation said fck the customers and fck our fans even more. Lets scam them with this piss poor emulation station, that is worse than sh!t.
@@thetruetekno9925 Beetle PSX all the way, ePSXe is closed-source.
Pcsx rearmed is a very optimised and accurate emulator. The problem is that Sony chose an underpowered budget processor for this thing.
@@nintendo1889x But epsxe works really well with low end systems.
What a joke Sony.
So nuts-sounding to me that they're using a 3rd party community emulator to run games in their official product after the whining they did over Bleem and its ilk back in the day. On top of that they can't even configure it correctly. I never wanted to buy this because the selection of games didn't grab me but there's now no chance I'll be buying this even as a gift.
i'd get it when it gets modded. at a lower price.
then again, i already have a vastly superior PSTV which does the same things psone classic can do and more (when modded).
@CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG bleem was a direct competition to their new - at the time - console. they also repackaged some psx games for dreamcast, which probably was completely illegal.
they might actually have won in court, but sony put them into a war of attrition.
nowadays things seem to be more lax, at least when you make commercial emu solutions for retro consoles. but who knows what nintendo might do about it.
@@yoshi314 I know right? I mean the pstv used to cost as much or even less the ps classic and it was a great microsystems! I wouldn't be bothered if they reused that architecture and software for the ps classic. What they released is pure garbage just because they didn't even bother to configure properly a very popular and well done community made emulator.
Bleem! was controversial because it was being sold in retail stores next to other retail games. Sony or any other company has never gone after someone making or using emulation so long as it wasn't being sold.
@@Iliek because they can't. Emulation is legal in the US. But you can bet any amount that if they could, they would.
Selling an emulator is also not illegal as long as it uses proprietary code and does not include anything protected under copyright like Roms or the system bios.
There was no legal precedence at the time for emulators to rely on, so Sony went after them. They would have done the same for free emulators.
This is a huge fail for Playstation. Modders working in their own time could've done better.
Could've? They have! 😂
We need a Mini Dreamcast
I'm hugely agree.
And support is needed too.
Yes!
Sega won't do that they have Nintendo and Sony to blame for that.
Sure, but after the Sega Saturn mini.
Yes!!
So on top of using PAL versions of games, a weak game selection and limited settings, we can throw poor emulation onto the pile of problems stacked against the PlayStation Classic. What a disaster.
Kevin Faultner actually with some speed adjustion and twerks, the Pal version aren’t bad per se, since they have better resolution than the NTCS.
@@Lamadredetuamigo I've compared many PS1 and PS2 games in their PAL and NTSC versions and tbh, I've NEVER noticed the "better PAL resolution". Sure, it may be there but good luck spotting the difference. What I do notice though, is the worse framerate and bad PAL optimization which results in squished picture and/or slower gameplay. Of course it depends on the game, but as a gamer from Europe I try to avoid PAL games as much as I can, except when they have a 60Hz mode which some PS2 games do.
@@symphony137 Pal needs to run via RGB scart to see the better resolution. Although 60hz pal games look great on PS2 like dead or alive 2
I think there is also input lag.
Serge Kent Not exactly. All PS1 games run natively at 240p, the PAL version accommodates this by leaving unused space around a 288p frame. Also, most devs never bothered correcting the game speed, so don’t bet on the PAL version of a game to run just as fast as the NTSC version.
I get the feeling that Sony are getting pretty arrogant with their decisions off of the huge success with the PS4.
And Xbox is probably more humble then they've ever been. Making alot of pro consumer choices lately with gamepass and backwards backwards compatibility and cross play etc. I honestly think xbox are geard to have a comeback with the next xbox.
It's a cycle. PS2 becomes the best selling console of all time, Sony gets arrogant, releases PS3 for $599. Sony realizes their mistakes, tries to fix the PS3, releases the PS4, it's a success, they get arrogant, Playstation Classic happens. Same thing with Microsoft, they did great with the 360, they get arrogant, they release the Xbox One with anti-consumer practises like forcing Kinect on everyone and 24/7 online connectivity, they realize their mistakes, they try to fix the Xbox One with backwards compatibility etc. This could mean the PS5 is going to flop due to Sony's arrogance and the next Xbox will do great.
Yeah they seem to flip flop every other console generation they switch places. Nintendo always is doing there own thing to.Saying they aren't competing with them when they obviously are.
@@bobdeinterlace Xbox One was shit a launch coz of the guy who was in charge at the time, can't even remember his name but I'm glad he's gone. Anyone else would have known that kinect was better off left with the 360
@@mutalix oh, they will
Makes me glad that Sega decided to restart their mini megadrive from scratch in house. That move shows they're taking the mini console format more seriously than Sony seem to have with this 😬
Now we need a Mini Dreamcast
@KunoMochi - Same way people do now with dreampi. Q3A doesn't need online to get the full experience though.
I'd be more worried about them creating and emulator that works with all the games. Instead of a few emulators that work with some of the games.
@@Vinnay94 a mini Dreamcast would be a huge financial loss for SEGA. The original Dreamcast didn't even do well. There is only a handful of people that even care about it anymore.
I may be in the minority, but I'll like a mini Saturn. Whether it could be emulated on a chip properly is another story.
@@walterchapman2094 a mini Saturn would be great, it's a massively under appreciated machine with some excellent games.
Glad I cancelled my pre order , this is just garbage!
Paystation Cashic
Ah good one!
Nice one
Just buy a used laptop for 50 bucks and run some emulators
A used celeron with integrated graphics, 16 Gb flash storage, etc. It'll still be better.
Or just buy a raspberry pie
Rpi is hardly an easy solution compared to the former
@@pholly so true just retropi for diy arcades/ emulation tv boxes.
@@HEROES092 The Snes classic is breddy gud as a playstation emulator.
So it runs the games worse than the original console.
Wow, okay. That's pretty bad.
How would it possibly run games "better" than the original? The console scales them to 720p (even though poorly) and includes a save state at the very least. Like John said, the hardware is more than capable, they just chose a shoddy emulator and their choice of using half PAL games and not even properly converting them was ludicrously lazy and stupid.
@@EvilApple567 It is possible to run games better than original hardware can. There's a Wii U emulator that can run Breath of the Wild at 4K, 60FPS. Granted, that's a new game so maybe they made it so that it could take advantage of newest hardware incase of a re-release in the future.
I think emulation usually gives you worse results than original, actually. That said.. Xbox back compat throws this right out the window. Almost every game plays better (sometimes significantly so) for free. Granted, Xbox doesn't go this far back, but still..
@@Cyrribrae That's definitely not true, modern emulators can harness the power of modern hardware to increase the rendered resolution, apply modifications like widescreen hacks, and even removing old hardware flaws like the video showed with texture warping. PS1 emulators are great because you can run your original discs on them with a cd drive.
I'll just keep using the disc swap method on my PS2 Slim whenever I feel like playing games I don't have. These emulations are trash.
For the -suckers- players. 😆😆
*for the payers
I dont give a damn about PS1 Classic, but a guy that has a Mii picture that says that, when Nintendo makes you to pay 20 a year and give you NES GAMES, not even Gamecube, pls... hahaha :) And yeah Sony...
Nintendo wins the classic console wars by doing absolutely NOTHING.
Took a lesson from Luigi I see.
When the teacher learns from the student
The war nobody cares about
But here comes Sega!
"For The Playe... Money" - $ony
welcome to capitalism, it's... great..
The Playstation Classic is more disappointing than my performance in the bedroom.
atomicbrain9401
It’s all about the hands, you should be using them just as much as ya wing wang
you can improve though, my friend, work on your technique and stamina and over time evolve into a competent lover, while everytime you get cozy with the PS classic you will be disappointed once more.
@@zeemonkeyman1 i will try this method, if i ever get another chance. probably not. thank you, brother.
@@bloodondope thank for these words of encouragement, my brother. i will remember them for i do not wish to disappoint like the PS classic does.
My condolences.........
What a joke! Complete cash grab.
John, thank you for this. Your main point about how this damages the legacy of the ps1 really hits home. I'm sure many people will get this as a Christmas gift, try out a few games and think "damn, old video games sucked, I'm going back to PS4" which is a sad thought to me.
Yeah, although for the average kid getting it for Christmas, even if the games ran flawlessly and were upscaled better they'd probably say it sucked anyway. I'm just glad I discovered emulators and got to go back and play the old classics since I didn't get a console until the gamecube, there are so many great PS1 and SNES/Genesis games and older it's a shame to see most younger people ignore it since it's either not available or "the graphix suck".
I think Sony just wanted an excuse to not support backwards compatibility in their future consoles. It is sad indeed.
@@unnoticedhero1 It depends tho, if the kid doesn't have modern systems or hasn't been introduced to games yet, they'll probably enjoy the games anyway.
That's the reason why games such as Rainbow Six are on the list, I think. They wanted to show us a gaming stone age or something
Sony had SO much (if not everything!) to make a perfectly appealing PlayStation Classic, knowing the backlog of legendary games that defined the original PS1. And yet they managed to screw it up so badly on almost every level!
Indeed. It's so perplexing it isn't even funny.
Its all about money. Spend as little as possible milk as much as possible. Its sad to see what theyv become.
@@Jaggybabs
Spend as little as possible is right. Sony didn't have many "in house" titles to work with, and who knows how much they'd have to shell out to get some real gems onto it.
I canceled mine when SONY released the full list.
Same
GrimReaper4383 Why?
I just put all ps1 games onto my USB and now I have the whole ps1 catalogue, n64 etc... all playing through this nice tiny console!
Well i hacked mine just to enjoy it
@@Ganbakodon did you use autobleem?
I'd just like to ask anyone thinking of picking this up and modding it, please don't. At least wait until it has embarrassingly failed commercially if you really want that (admittedly beautiful) plastic shell exterior and those neat (analogless) controllers instead of a Raspberry Pi setup or just good ol' regular PC emulation. Even if you want to bring this POS up to speed yourself, don't give Sony your hard earned money for this. Put your foot down and make a statement as an informed consumer, they don't deserve a dime for this.
dont want to pay inflated ebay & scalper prices later when they're harder to find. i'll just get one now & hack it. will have an emulator box with games from all classic consoles on it & a cool nostalgic playstation shell that has that sweet playstation intro when i turn it on.... worth it.
But it has to be done in the name of SCIENCE!
EvilApple567 well said.
@@user-kj4od7ig3t the problem is no one is buying and the most you can get on eBay is $130.
Preach!
No thanks Sony. I rather play my original PlayStation 1 games on my PS2 or PS3.
I still have my original ps1 and it works perfectly
Thats what I'm talking about. I still collect games for ps1 and ps2, even more now that I have a Japanese ps2,i can play hidden gems from Japan or get the games at cheaper prices (aka silent hill saga, shooters ,etc you name it) I'm a big playstation fan, but this mini console just doesn't attract me, I rather spend the $100 on more ps1 or ps2 japanese games or American hidden gems
I really like that, in the endscreen, you show us what music you used. When the selection of music is so great, I often search for hours to find them in the internet just because people don't include the names anywhere.
After hearing about these issues I just wonder why Sony didn't re-use any PlayStation TV stock or hardware and use that as a base for the classic. The PSTV was cheap enough, and would do each of these games much more justice to the original games
@ ItsBradazHD: underrated comment.
i expect that this classic ps was a rebranding of PSTV, but it seems that i was wrong.
The obvious, they have none and it costs a lot to go back and make more custom chips vs a cheapo ARM SoC.
Because PSTV has a bad brand reputation.
@@PurushNahiMahaPurush blame their lazy marketing department. I have one at home and I love it.
Modern Sony just doesn't care.
Been saying that after their success with the PS4. Just goes to show how dangerous Sony is when their in the market lead. I hope Nintendo over takes the market. And on a side note, I hope Nintendo never gets bought by Disney.
@@Noname15514 things changed since the PS3 days, because people back them were so cheap, Sony made the PS4 powerful as a low end PCs and behind of PC gaming
My toaster can emulate ps1 games better than Ps1 classic
Bruh your profile name and picture along with your comment is funny asf😂.
And also cost even less.
I guess it can even burn PlayStation discs ;-)
How much for the toaster ? 🤔
Even the dreamcast runs metal gear solid better
great games? the game selection is extremely poor
+1
Some good games but compared to Nintendo they didn't put any of the Playstation classics on it
@@mrcaboosevg6089 agreed
@@agamaz5650 We all can agree that the selection of games was weak but I wouldn`t say that RE1, MGS, FFVII, T3, RR4 aren`t PS1 classics.
Not really. Wild Arms is there and it's arguable one of the best classic JRPG titles of all time.
PS1 classic is a joke and a rushed out cash grab. Even Nintendo put more work in their NES Classic and SNES Classic. I almost kept me pre order until I realized I'd have to be a complete idiot to continue with my order.
uh just hack it & put whatever emulator & games you want on it
TFxGod it’s not his job to make a quality product
@ Alastor424: i'm just telling him what the people buying this are doing with it... if someone is stupid enough to be disappointed by this because they think they can't get these games anywhere else, then i can't help them. i own ALL these games digitally on several other systems, but i'm a collector & i'm not buying it for the games (obviously) 90% of the people buying this are getting it to hack it & do other stuff with it & i'm simply informing him that he can do that.
@@user-kj4od7ig3t "90% of the people buying this are getting it to hack it & do other stuff" … Not remotely close. There's tons of idiots that are blindly buying this PoS. One look at social media will show you countless examples of these idiots and "gamer" girls throwing money at it. You always have to remember that at least 75% of the human race are mentally r3t@rded (thanks DF censorship). That's why Apple does so well.
@Your Mother - I'm sure most NES and SNES classic owners "hacked" theirs to use with more games.
it's like they took cues from AT Games
@Deon Denis It was raped by AT Games.
Can relate, bought my son the megadrive classic and its terrible, returning it asap.
I heard Sega might no longer be working with them
@Deon Denis no it wasn't lol. stop making shit up.
@@constancies They're not, SEGA are making a new Genesis Classic in-house.
I hope people vote with their wallet and show Sony this is NOT ACCEPTABLE! I seriously hope to find these on "Clearance" 6 months from now.. Much respect to MS for doing justice to it's full BC line on ONE console.... this thing might be small, but all those wires, and it not being heavy enough to be stable, will be best left on the floor
KonTro113d KhaOZ fallout76 dropped half off 2 weeks after launch. I see this bombing hard and within a month (if sales really plunder) dropping to $49.99
I love Playstation but Sony dropped the ball harder than they ever have here.
Even the LOADING screens feel longer on this way overpriced PS Classic system. How can they be so lazy to screw this up so bad to make it far WORSE than it played and looked over 20 years ago?
I hope someone comes up with an easy hack to improve and add to this crappy device. If it's easily hackable, Sony might actually sell some of these to people that know better than to waste their money.
Also, I wouldn't go so far as to call these 20 games great. There's about four of them that fit that description.
@@mickael486 Oh no, i would call at least ten of the games listed as great. I wouldn't call some of those great games "Classics", however.
Fortunately playstation has many of their games in the psx store. PSP, Vita, PS3, PS4. To me it's just a nice looking paperweight.
The average size of a PSOne game is about... what... 500mb? Mr driller & Intelligent cube are both below 200mb. However FFVIII & MGS are 1 gig/700mb+ respectively. So.. (without doing the math 😋) you MAY BE able to fit a dozen (or two) games on there without deleting the current lineup. Depending on their size. With my “wish list” of games that wouldn’t even cover 1/4 of the titles. I suppose if I could narrow it down to 30 MUST OWN PSOne games.. I could get enjoyment out of that system, but why when I can download A BETTER emulator with what I already have? 🤔. And get 3x the games I actually want. 🤔. I guess the consumers will make the final call.
Hell they never even picked the ball up to drop it just kind of kicked it around
Damn! Who developed this 'classic' console? At-games???
At-games mays as well made this POS it has all of their signatures
@@NotaPizzaGRL except the sega logo. Its disgraceful that they left this out😂
Cool analysis. Didn't imagine it was this bad :(
The games list alone shows that it was handle by someone that barely understand the PlayStation history.
Totally Disappointed
It not about understanding. Its about licensing. They would have never got Crash or Spyro with the remakes here.
Don't worry the system will be modded and new games can be added
Playstation had over 2000 releases. Most were not by Sony. This is not like with Nintendo where the majority of "classic" games were in house. Besides, the best games never had much of a following anyway. While classy people like you and I would buy a machine that only the best of the best , including Jumping Flash, JF2, Tobal No. 1, Tobal 2 (translate or original), Air Management 96 (hopefully translate), Ridge Racer 60fps, and Top Shop, the majority of moron game players would not.
Sony has always shown that they will push out proprietary formats if they have a lack of completion.
@jesus barrera problem is licensing, mostley music is a huge problem. And even with Gran Turismo licensing for cars would be a problem
So much for Sony giving a crap about their consumers lol.
Complacent Sony is worst Sony
They only care when they are behind in sales. The second they get ahead they say 'screw the consumer'.
I think it was outsourced to a company that doesn't care.
Sony never cared about consumers my guy. They buy exclusivity for multi platform game content to make you feel like you need the ps4 version, there game subscription service is a joke for example
@@bickle8931 Objectively untrue statement.
I live in the UK and imported games back then because I didn't want 50Hz - so there's no way I'd want 50Hz now!!!!!
Unless a game was made for 50 Hz.
Please draw against Man United. Thanks.
Play Wipeout 3 Special Edition and get back to me.
Why couldn't they just port the PSP emulator? That was ARM too..
It had special hardware too, it wasn't just software emulation. Only partial.
PSP wasn't ARM actually.
@@lpnp9477 Even if this were the main barrier.. These things cost more than psps do now, probably. And it's not like Sony doesn't 100% control the hardware in the classic anyway.
@@Cyrribrae Do you think I'm defending Sony or something? Don't @ me.
I think they meant the Vitas Psp emulator as the Psvita was arm based.
From what I've read the Vitas cpu is much more powerful that that in the classic which probably means that the emulator wouldn't work so well on the weaker hardware 😬
*It doesn't even have Knack 2*
saturn 64 it doesn’t deserve to have Knack 2
Here doesn’t come the moneyyyy
How the first game ever got a sequel is beyond a mystery.
@@odinsplaygrounds it was bundled with the launch PS4 and sold over 300 thousand copies. For a game of that scale, that more than enough to warrant a sequel.
Thanks for the video. Preorder cancelled!
Criticise Nintendo all you want... but boy do they know how to release a 'classic' product.
Yes... well... except when they don't release enough product to satisfy actual demand, so nobody can buy it.
What about Microsoft then? They don't even need to release one lmao.
@@redhunter1535 Microsoft do consoles? First notice I've ever had.
@BanjoOz That is a moot point today since Nintendo made more NES Classic this year to make up for the demand of 2016 release. And Nintendo did warned buyers not to pay scalped price for the SNES and they promised much more. I still see both Classics in store today.
A moot point today, but certainly not when the NES Classic came out! Nintendo thankfully learned their lesson after that debacle (though they tried to stubbornly hold their "it was a limited product!" line for awhile), but only because demand was so high that they looked stupid and were earning bad will from people wanting to buy one and either missing out or getting scalped by scumbags.
It is wonderful to go into stores now and see both Classics on the shelves, I agree! :)
If any of this truly bothers you, you're probably smart enough to get your own emulator for free
Blatant low-quality cash grab is blatantly low-quality.
how to copy nintendo, but screw it up edition.
Aside from technical things, games on it are really weak. And I think this is one of the reasons why it's so disappointing.
and the supposed reason they didn't include some of the more iconic games is such bullshit
no medievil 2? :(
Those games are known hidden gems, so for collectors those are great. The casual gamer won't appreciate it.
Lol, rubbish!! Hidden gems? No f-ing way...
It’s a perfect storm of numerous and completely bizarre choices. A lacking selection with some very odd omissions. Then coupled with a bare-bones presentation, and then capped off with the mind-boggling choice to include a 3rd party emulator, and 9 of the 20 games being the Pal versions which totally mess up the feel and speed of those games.
It all screams of a rush job, to try and get their own classic mini console out in time for this holiday season. This device is supposed to be a celebration of this console and generation, and they decided to give it no love and attention. It’s like they didn’t care, and that’s super disappointing.
Lol.. I've been playing jumping flash! since I was 5 years old, and never really noticed frame rate issues. Maybe because it's not enough going on to care all that much?
I find a bit ironic how Sony relied on open source emulation for the PSClassic considering the Bleem! debacle, nearly twenty years ago. Granted, Bleem! was a commercially released emulator, but the funny thing is the fact that Sony had lost the lawsuit against them, and considering that Bleem! provided emulation that greatly enhanced PSX games back then, it only makes the PSClassic look more pathetic than it should. You had one job, Sony.
I actually got the Gran Turismo 2 Bleem disc a few months ago, and I was blown away at how better the graphics and sound were. Probably the only thing I disliked was the fact you had to format one if the Dreamcast VMUs to save data, but I'm probably going to play GT2 on my Dreamcast for now on.
You can find original PlayStation at your local thrift store for $10 with power cord and controllers this PlayStation mini is horrible definitely not worth $100
Why do I always see comments like this, do people not know how much the physical games cost
Yeah the console is stupid cheap. Heck, almost every old console is cheap. But what is the real problem? The games. The really good ones cost a alot. Try to buy FFVII in mint condition and watch how painful it is.
@Basement Dweller you can burn PS1 games though to CD. Its easy and My friend has over 1000 games burned on disc. They work flawless when you put them into the PS1.
@@themichalos2350 Either way its still better than this trash mini. I own every game I ever wanted on PS1 in emulation.
@@joethehitman4479 sounds like that ps1 is chipped.
Lazy Sony lazy this could of been a chance to make these look better than ever
Sony you should arrange to have Microsoft handle your emulation.
Vance G
What’s make it more funny is that it isn’t hard to have the ps1/2 games play natively on the ps4. The ps4 can do it.
@@imJGott just like it its hard to get the switch running SNES and gamecube emulation....except Nintendo chooses not too....its about money not about what it can do.
@@heisenbergwhite00 well in Nintendos defense, they have released Mario galaxy and zelda twilight princes (gamecube and wii games) for the nvidia shield platform in China. Many belive that this is a beta test for a wider rollout of gamecube/wii emulation on the switch, since they share the same specs.
@@imJGott I highly doubt Ps4 could emulate Ps3. Microsoft's emulation is off the scale.
@@heisenbergwhite00
money as in? they want to make more money selling mini consoles? because the coding part isnt hard at all
Such a friggin botch job, probably my biggest disappointment of the year gaming wise.
Also kinda tells me all isn't really well back at the Sony HQ if they let something out in this state. Where's the pride and feeling for the PlayStation legacy? Or are they so out of touch that they actually thought this would be received well?
They just didn't care. Seeing that everyone was making one, they decided to join but not eben put enough effort to make a competent device.
re hash the Mierda of the year 2018 battle between ps1 classic and fallout 76 its gonna be brilliant XD
Biggest fail of the year is finding out Sony wont be at e3 next year
They needed to rush it out to stand a chance against solja boys console.
When you fail at copying Nintendo's NES and SNES classic this is what you get.
Actually no Sony copied Atgames not Nintendo
@@heisenbergwhite00 Sony copied Nintendo. Nintendo is by far the most successful with their machines and Sony decided to jump on board only after Nintendo proved how lucrative it can be. Set aside your Sony fanboyism and understand the difference between "Sony copied Nintendo " and "Nintendo copied ATgames"..
Nobody did it first. Not Nintendo either, Nintendrones. The concept of re-releasing classic games was done far earlier than Nintendo
@@ohnoknux4163 lets be real here, sony only did this because of the success of nintendos line of classic systems and wanted to follow as well. Sony has done this numerous times in the past with a majority of nintendo products and for the most part has failed.
@@ohnoknux4163 This topic is not about "who did it first". I owned a classic Genesis console from ATgames years before Nintendo ever thought of theirs so I am well aware of that fact. This is about Sony jumping on a trend that Nintendo has set the bar on.
Its crap
As a longtime Sony fan, Sony fooled me on pre ordering the PSVR and almost fool me again on the PS Classic. Luckily, I canceled my Classic Pre Order. Sony is making it tough be support them with half A__ effort on a Nintendo rip-off. If PS5 has no BC with at least PS4 games and weaker than the Scarlet..I will be done with Sony consoles.
Nah. They didn't fool you, you fooled yourself and now you need to blame someone for your stupidity. Good thing you confessed.
Sony has provided lots of support for the VR and there are lots of good games out now for it. Maybe you need to look at Astrobot, Moss, Beat Sabre, Tetris Effect etc.
If anything they’ve done well with PSVR. It kinda makes me want one but I have Oculus already
Would you care to elaborate on the PSVR? While the Classic is a disappointment PSVR delivered the experience it promised and it is still going strong, especially this second half of 2018. And even if the PS5 is weaker then the next Xbox that will still mean that Sony games are only coming to the PS5. So you are a long time Sony fan but you wouldn't get a PS5 just because you might not be able play PS4 games on it?
Lol they should make it compatible since PS4 is basically x86 console now
9:32 so this is what screams of the damned sound like...
Screw the PlayStation, where is my Sega Saturn Classic Sega?!?!?!?!
Sega Saturn emulation has only very recently become good in general. It's not a simple system to do right.
Saturn emulation is harder than PS2 or other systems (aside from Atari Jaguar, 3DO, PS3 or Windows CE Dreamcast games)
@@retroboy-fh1ji
Yeah it had unique architecture with separate 2d and 3d chips and wasn't easy to program for when it was released. Its been over 20 years since its release though, so I'm sure people who are knowledgeable on the subject have the tools they need.
Sega sucks
The relevant screenshot for Metal Gear Solid is apparently on the back of the Classic's box.
massivepileup I’m going to guess it’s also included with that QR/online manual scan that John says isn’t available yet. Having it on
JUST the back of the Classic box is kind of risky since most people quickly throw those boxes away.
Looks like the screenshot was below the box art next to teh memory card icon
@@rozasupreme That's a save-state slot. Looks like it was saved on the Codec screen when the footage was recorded.
you're right there are other videos that show this
Hahah, nice
20:16 it's Ridge Racer.... RIIIIIDGEE RACEEER
Remember that one?
One meeyun twoops
Attack it's weak point for MASSIVE DAMAGE
GIANT ENEMY CRAB! 599 US DOLLARS!
@@rkeith7766... Air conditioning in a car.
Not surprised. Sony is trash and will always be trash. TrashStation Tragic.
19:35 Actually, Mery's number is in the back of the PS Classic's box.
Shame, my dad bought it me for my birthday. I think I'll enjoy it, especially since most of these games I didn't play on PS1.
Dude that's one cool dad
Don't listen to this crap. Enjoy your gift for what it is. I sure will be
Don't you have phones?
PEASANTS!!
Yeah. So how do we hook it up to our tv's? How do we play with no lag? Why would we waste battery life and run the poor little thing hot?
A cheap laptop or PSP is better and also portable.
@@flameshana9 USB-C to HDMI cable, bt mouse for UI and bluetooth controller. You can even use a dual shock 4!
Of course you need a real device not an iOS toy.
@@flameshana9 It's a joke from the Diablo Immortal launch.
@@flameshana9 my phone has a hdmi port
Sony clearly outsourced to make this thing. There's no other explanation for all the dumb decisions that was pulled for the Playstation Classic. After all back in E3 2014 they mentioned the game Vib Ribbon for no reason while also forgetting it never released in North America.
There's no indication that this was outsourced, thats just removing the responsibility from Sony. They fucked this up, no one else
@@cloudskipa Outsourcing would still show they are either lazy or that incompetent to make this in house.
Couldn't have timed this video better; just sat down on the bog!
Bog?
@@Poever British slang for Toilet, Water Closet, Loo etc...
Bog hole....
I was just about to type you might have to translate bog for the none english.
Same here, DF Boggo. 💩
After playstation goes to california from japan (2016) they messing up everything, first they cancel ps vita, than start censoring ps4 anime games, now they doing this bad ps1 classic. Playstation are not japanese quality anymore, and of story.
SEGA and Nintendo are STILL HQ'd in Japan.
What does that tell you?
We don't need no mini-console we need to take those same games and put them on the system that's currently available
Not everybody plays the newer consoles the mini console are meant for people that might of played games in the past but not now and my wanna relive some of the games they played on the console they played them on stop being a selfish prick
Erik Perez But the console is shit! Can’t run any of the games in its collection properly and they use the EU version in *America*
They wont. They want $100 more out of you
@@theobserver4214 you mean pal. Not EU. Pal region laws are not evenly enforced in europe. Publishers vary
@@theobserver4214 im not talking only about the ps1 classic there are good mini consoles
Pathetic. Cant even copy right.
@Basement Dweller Just like Sony copied the motion controllers from the Wii
Crap on launch but absolutely The King of mini consoles after modding!! 💪💪💪 The base software is crap but the hardware itself is actually excellent. Replace the software with AutoBleem or Project Eris and you are all set. 👌
Wow that GTA theme brings back memories
My god thank you. I was trying so hard to figure out what that was from.
Sony did what Nintendon't. Make a shit classic console.
You literally stole this comment word for word from an earlier review. Nice one chief.
The Virtualboy exists. The Wii U was also a diaster.
@@EvilApple567 which is a spoof of a Sega Genesis tagline
Looks like Sony did what Sega has done for years and put out a crap mini console with bad emulation. Damn shame.
@@NotaPizzaGRL Sega hasn't put out hardware since the Dreamcast. I think you're referring to the AT Games consoles. And it is a shame to compare Sony to a cheap Chinese manufacturer. A damn shame indeed.
As someone who enjoys games in general with no allegiance to any particular brand, im very disappointed by this as i was intending to buy, but not any longer...
If DF says it then it's official
they are for me more reliable then my goverment or the bible.
Official Crap 👎
I wouldn't say "Great Games". But eh, to each his own.
'Some' of them are great games.
Thx for the warning.
CD player you say? Something the PS4 doesn’t have lol
Jamie Robert ooof!
yup it really cannot.
Anything with blu Ray player plays DVDs and CDs.
Brady Brooks I have a PS4 and music CDs don’t work
PS4 can't play 4K Blu ray either
Think about it. Sony could've technically just repackeged the old VitaTV tech into a new shell, modified the UI of the software a little bit and we would've had the perfect PS Classic instead of this.
and they would even be able to sell new games to it
They obviously decided this way was cheaper.
The fact that Sony is using an open source emulator made by somebody else should tell you everything you need to know about their attitude towards this product. Lazy, cheap, no effort no soul
Weak game lineup, could have been so much better.
PS1 Classic has no games
Besides one or two GREAT games, the overall selection is underwhelming or plain weird.
You could build a RetroPi -style clone of Classic Mini, with waaay more games and better results, for the fraction of the cost of Sony's official retro device.
Teemuslayer people actually have, they're available on Ebay. Starting to regret my decision to not just buy one of those instead :/
Though keep in mind that the hardware itself is not the only thing you're paying for. You have the shell, the licences, the controllers, the shipping, the display.
I think a lot of the games just were unavailable since the right holders asked unreasonable sums for them. After all if they choose to release those games themselves on the Switch or on Steam they don't have to share profits with Sony.
A lot of right holders from classic games believe it's best to keep the number of releases low. After all the harder the games are the play the more value they have. It's why Nintendo releases the same games over and over. They already have next to no value anymore so new releases don't take away the value of the company.
I mean as stupid as it sounds having copies of your game go for thousands of dollars does make them very valuable and companies like that.
I love the Playstation sound fidelity for the time. Put in a CD and even get a cool visualization. And the midi soundtracks were incredible, even talked me into getting an analog synthesizer.
None of these things I like are back. Just an emulator. Sad.
Also, dithering is not a bad thing, it's great.
Dithering is definitely an interesting effect, making games/shows have a dream like glow surrounding the image that you just don't get on modern displays.
PS1 is one of the best CD music players the humanity ever created
@@teacherfromthejungles6671 yes and my fav games console ever
good to see the raspberry pi still dabbing on these cash-grabs
Lol
Pretty sure the NES and SNES classics were extremely successful. Regardless of the Pi, this thing shouldn't be bought even if there was no better solution. It's an insult for $100.
Hardcore PS fans cannot defend PS1 classic the lack of good games no dualshock 1 and bad performance makes it a shitty product, it would look good on a shelf but thats about it.
I'm sure they can defend this hunk of junk. If there are Fallout fan boys defending 76 then there is going to be PS fan boys defending this
ThatNormalBunny People defend Fallout 76? That’s legitimately surprising to me.
just hack it to use whatever controller you want & put whatever games you want on it.
theyre already defending it in comments above this one, responding to criticisms like (my phone can emulate these games at full speed) with rebuttles such as (well your phone also costs more)
TFxGod It’s a subpar emulator. Get a snes classic and download ps1 games for it.
Sony just doesn't care about consumers anymore, especially in light of Microsoft doing everything right. Will not be supporting them next gen.
Jay Y and what’s Microsoft doing right?
@@fernandosepulveda8748
- Microsoft is creating well designed hardware in the Xbox One X that actually fulfills the 4K promise.
- They are embracing and pushing cross-platform play across as many platforms as possible - very pro consumer.
- They have reacted to the lack of exclusive games on Xbox by investing heavily in game studios with great pedigree.
- They have fully committed and executed on backward compatibility of games on Xbox 360 and even the original Xbox, scaling these up in resolution and performance - giving owners of these games the opportunity to play essentially remastered versions without paying a cent - very pro consumer.
- They are building the X-Cloud which will give people who traditionally don't buy consoles and PCs the ability to play games anywhere on any device - expanding the gaming audience and making gaming cheaper and more accessible.
- They have introduced the fantastic Game Pass which is by far the cheapest way to play games on console and soon PC - once again, very pro consumer and forward thinking.
- They have created the Xbox Adaptive Controller than allows any gamer of any physical ability to play games in a way that adapts to them. This will make Microsoft no money but they did it anyway as to be more inclusive.
Sony is doing none of these things, but rather are engaging in petty and anti-consumer actions like:
- This shoddy PlayStation Classic
- Carelessly designed hardware like the PS4 Pro - noisy, hot, oversized and fails to fulfill the 4K gaming promise.
- No 4k Bluray support on any of their consoles even though they fucking invented it.
- Not issuing refunds after the No Man's Sky fiasco.
- Actively blocking cross-play between platforms.
Jay Y you missed one, worldwide censorship
Turnible Spencer Yes I mentioned that as a weakness in their current gen but it looks like they are acutely aware and will rectify that for next gen. At least they are displaying awareness and not continually being tone deaf and fucking the customer like Sony is.
And you’re only talking about first party titles. 90% of games are multiplats and Xbox One X is undisputedly the console that plays them best.
Jay Y "game studios with great pedigree" and ninja theory
Dont' forget one IMPORTANT thing for the European version of this mini console (for people speaking french) : Sony give us FFVII & Metal Gear ONLY in the ENGLISH VERSION. WHY? It's TOTALY ridiculous… Do not want to play these two Awsome games in English while they exist in French!
Shame on you Sony
Who downvotes the truth???
PS Fanboys
Sony shills
If any Sony fanboy is defending this, they are making Sony worst. I like Sony but I can't defend this.
It's awesome! Just download games onto the USB and chuck them in and you have a whole ps1 catalogue!!!!