VRAM Scam: Why all Nvidia RTX 40 series GPUs Suck!
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Nvidia is planning to launch RTX 4060 Ti and RTX 4060 with only 8 GB RAM. WTF ?
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Have you ever wondered why Nvidia GPUs cost a lot more than their competition, yet offer less VRAM?
Nvidia is getting very aggressive about their planned obsolescence.
Haha
The Arc A770 16gb and the Rx 6700 xt are cards for gamers, good performance for a good price. Nvidia cards is a sad story, not for gamers anymore.
is for fanboys that's for sure 🤣
4070s should have 16 GB, 4060s 12 GB of VRAM !
Yes I have been thinking this too.
They need wider memory buses for that, they have maxed out their bus width capacity with the VRAM they have.
@@badass6300 The 4060's are too under powered, they should be 4050's.
@@oswaldmosley6179 Nvidia and AMD shifted their naming schemes up 1-1.5x tiers this generation.
The 4070 is a 50Ti class card marketed as a 70 class card, that costs as much as an 80 class card
The 4070Ti is a 60 class card, marketed as a 70Ti calss card costing as much as a 90 class card
The 4080 is a 70 class card(389mm^2 die size vs rtx 3070 392mm^2 die size), costing insane amount of money
The rtx 4090 is an 80 class card, costing ludicrous amounts of money...
16GB minimum for me!
Go AMD and Intel instead of Ngreedia!
Nah.
I'll get a PS5 instead.
we need amd and intel to kick some competition
Why, so they make Nvidia GPUs good and cheap, so you can yet again buy Nvidia?
Another reason for the low vram is to force consumers to upgrade their GPUs every two years
Never knew vram was so cheap 😮
I knew that VRAM were very cheap since 2012 so I would wonder why Nvidia is so stingy with Vram
It is very cheap thats why its so brutal .. 6gb vram 1060 was literly 20usd more expensive then its 3gb1060 sister back in day. Vram capacity is the most efficent way to get visual improvements if your chip is powerful enought to handle it (its data storage for gpus calculations) its working like that last 25 years. Its just scamming people without expyrience. In this case even 4080 for 1200usd with only 16gb of vram is rip off. i am quite sure it will start to cause bottleneck in this kind of harware 2years later. Same as 3080 righ now with 10gb which is still less then faster rendering on console where PS5 can offer16gb and can use 12gb in this purpoouse more efficently then pc.
Absolutely. I have been a strict Nvidia card person for the last few years - after my 3080ti I got last, I'm not willing to do this again. Good Video.
Yes me too, last AMD card was many years ago, but after seeing the 4070 ti being exactly double the price of my 1070 ti (not to mention the VRAM swindling) I went red team. Have to say it's working out well, didn't realize the adrenaline software was so good either. Overall I'm content.
@@drew1665 Yeah, had a 1070 GTX AMP Extreme until recently (my desktop broke...yes, I've tried trouble-shooting, tore the thing down, rebuilt it, tested it with a different PSU and RAM and it isn't turning on anymore)...so I'd be in the market for a new desktop (I have a decent laptop so I am not actually desperate, but over all I'd love to have a true power house PC again...especially since I'd love to mess around with stable diffusion some more, but the laptop doesn't have enough RAM for the larger models...16 GB is simply not enough anymore these days and neither is 8 GB of VRAM!) ...still, would be my first non-Nvidia-card since a 560 Ti! I've had a 770 since and a 1070 over the years...so yeah, well over a decade!) but hardware is too damn pricy (not to mention that AMD still doesn't do ray-tracing well (it's not as if that is new tech...damned AMD get your head in the game!) and their cards are power hungry (they dump a lot of power into them to get performance, but that also makes them run hot and requires more potent PSUs :(
Nvidia had more driver issues than AMD over the last couple of years and over the years they've been back and forth.
The thing is that with the bus width those cards have, they can't have more GDDR6(X) VRAM without cutting the bandwidth in half.
A 192 bit bus can have up to 6x GDDR6 (X) chips running at 32 bit bandwidth, and Gddr6(X) max out at 2GB per chip, thus a maximum of 12GB VRAM
Why did they make the bus width smaller? They didn't they shifted up the naming scheme by 1-1.5x tiers.
The rtx 4060 is a 50 class card, marketed as a 60 class card, will be sold at 70 class prices.
The rtx 4070 is a 50Ti class card, marketed as a 70 class GPU sold at 80 class prices
The rtx 4070(Ti) is a 60 class card, marketed as a 70Ti class card, sold at 90 class prices
The rtx 4080 is a 70 class GPU, marketed as an 80 class card, sold for crazy prices
The rtx 4090 is an 80 class card sold at ludicrous prices
True, I am seeing issues with rtx 3080. I bought it for approx 1300$. It's frame rate is very unstable. People had bought rtx 3070 8gb for 900-1000$ are panicking.hat GPU is literally stuttering.
Just getting an Arc GPU
12GB VRAM when PS5 have 16GB VRAM is scam
That 16GB is shared system and VRAM.
So is Windows..
AMD's drivers are quite OK.
I have had a HD 4650, HD 6850, HD 7850, Rx 480, Rx 6600Xt, Rx 580.
Sadly I agree, the memory bus was shrunk (thus it doesn't help if you have tons of memory, if you can't access it in a speedy maner!), the memory size for most cards sucks, too (it's one of the things that AMD does better) and that makes the cards were un-future-proof :(
Sadly AMD is off their game (has been for years by now) as well! They haven't managed to get good performance out of their cards if you switch on ray-tracing (which is no longer new tech! Frankly it's mature technology by now!) and they also get performance by pumping more power into their cards, which means they run hot! I know AMD-Hardware is known for that (their CPUs were hotheads, too for years but they seem to have handled that, so why not with GPUs?)...so ATM you are royally screwed if you need hardware! It's expensive! Frankly I just lost my desktop PC (a Ryzen 9 5950X, 64 GB RAM etc.)...no, I don't know what's wrong with it, it's not booting anymore, no it's not the PSU (checked by borrowing one from a friend) and not the RAM either, the board also looks fine, as does the CPU...then again we had some lightning storms over the summer...so yeah, if I wanted to build a similar PC right now? Well, I am looking at 3000 Euros (!) if I want a decent graphics card (a 3090 Ti - because the 40 Series is not worth it!)...yeah, I've not had to save up for a computer in ages, this sucks!
Nvidia does what Apple does. Charge exorbitantly high prices for more storage and more memory.
So basically 90 class and titan are just looking expensive cause of their names... This really needs to be heard from casual consumers
That is why I abstained to buy any GPU for my second desktop PC. I see lots of GPU's with 8 GB VRAM. I have an RX 6600 in my first build and that has 8 GB VRAM and that is used by the last Enlisted update already sometimes to over 6 GB. Before the last update it has sitting below 4 GB of VRAM usage. So this recently bought RX 6600 is basically after one more mayor update outdated. The card runs fine but the VRAM is the limiting factor.
Thus stay away from any GPU with less than 12 GB of VRAM. Even the RX 6700 XT or RTX 3060 which have both 12 GB VRAM are basically on the smaller side already today. Even with low-mid Tier games like Enlisted. Do never buy any GPU with 8 GB of VRAM. Even basica Windows 11 tasks as now writing this comment uses up over 1 GB of the RX 6600 VRAM.
With each update games can make your till now decent VRAM card to small. That is an combination of bad game optimization and to small VRAM built into the graphic cards.
Just do not buy any GPU anymore at all.
Rtx 4070 has still 12 GB 😑
and perform worst than 6800xt LOL
Someone needs to figure out how to mod 24gb's of vram onto the lower end cards and start a side business.
rtx 3070 was upgraded to 16gb with a mod. check it out
never be a fanboy, buy what ever works at the best price.
RTX 3070ti: can do raytracing... Until it crashes 😂😂😂😂😂😂
If the 70ti had 16GB and decent bus, I don't see anyone in their right mind buying a 4080 over a 4070ti or going all out for a 4090
My guess: Ngreedia will force gpu brands to stop making 12gb 3060 once 8gb only 4060 come out
The 3060 is not in production even right now
@@badass6300 yes, hard to find a new 3060 12gb with good price now
Here's a thought on another perspective. NVidia is forcing the manufacturers to bring down the card prices since it knows people took advantage of the pricing during the pandemic. That is why RTX 4070 is being priced at $599 only, way below the expected $799. Have you ever thought that game developers are getting lazy in optimizing their games? This is evident that there are now games that are 20-30GB in file size but are not so much visually appealing. Video rams are used by objects that are displayed in your screen, game developers can always find a way to optimize them since it is all about how they will implement the optimization. They have become lazy at this due to the increasing internet speed and lowering storage price. Ever thought that maybe NVidia is just forcing the game developers to come up creative solutions to make 8GB fit their game so that more people can still buy mid-tier cards at affordable prices?
I prefer best performance(and price) for what I want to do...in other words not NGreedia!
Me who use 4050 with 4gb. 💀 💀
I would add one more important thing. It's not only NV neglecting mid and low tier gpu, where I do believe most of their fans look their products. This is also a tier for the most overprized gpu nowadays. Yes, pushing clients to spend more to have more resonable power of gpu. But what they actually do is making the product older on start. Imagine paying 400-500$ for a card and in a year or 2 seeing You cannot play any more normally because there is not enough ram. Some users additionaly will change a monitor in this time. Probably if they had 1080, most of them will buy 1440 as a new one... Normally you would have this card for at least 3-5 year paying for mid tier card, now You will be forced to rebuy next gpu in half of the way...
I think the Rx 7700xt will be 16Gb and Rx 6800Xt performance.
7700XT will be 8GB VRAM & 7800XT will be 12GB VRAM
@@masterwayne9790 It was just leaked yesterday that 7700xt will be 12Gb. At around Rx 6800 to Rx 6800xt performance. With lower VRAM. Hard pass.
@@drew1665 Frankly, snatching up a Rx 6800 with 16Gb might be better than waiting for a Rx 7700Xt with 12Gb.
@@konstantinlozev2272 is a new leak rx 7700 xt and 7800 xt 16gb vram
@@konstantinlozev2272 i have a 6800 Gigabyte OC gaming edition and is a excelent GPU, better option than 4070 and cheap.
Mate 16GigaBIT is 19-33$, meaning 2GB(GigaBYTES) of VRAM is 19-33$, so 16GB of VRAM is 152-269$, but those are NOT up to date prices, because this site has been out of stock since 2021.
My Rtx 3080 10 gb was running 30-40 fps in ratchet and clank rift apart. Performance was bad so I reduced texture to low and my frame rate increased to 70-90 fps. So vram was killing its performance.
on 4K?
i can run it with medium texture with 6gbvram at 80-100fps, but my resolution and settings are probably lower than yours
people are sick of these abusive systems. they have to change or get knocked aside.
Vram so so so cheap what the heck
Planned obsolence. 😪
Most of the gamers don't know about this untill they try to play games on Ultra High with high quality vedio and found out that their games crashes.
I was just looking for Vram Bottleneck and found your vedios.I don't have any custom pc but huge fan of gaming.
But I think it's better to wait for Intel and amd to come out with high Vram and better stability performance at affordable price in future.
Love this vid, subscribed
Your idea is to short-term it is unrealistic to expect people to spend double or even triple the amount of money they are looking for a GPU to cost
What Nvidia is really doing is planning for five or even ten years from now when your 8 GB card will not run something you're going to have to buy the 12 GB 5060 and years later the 16GB 8060
Eventually 16GB will be the base amount for a low-end card because the PS5 is using 16GB at least until we get a PS6
Any game developer who makes a game that does not allow you to get 120 fps on Ultra preset 1080p using a card the equivalent to a RTX 4060 with 8gb VRAM does not know how to code and their game should not be supported. Its easy to say the video card manufacturer is the problem but... If 90% of my 2023 beautiful games run ultra at high frame rates using less than 8gb of VRAM then games like Last of us that suggests I need more than 8gb VRAM for their game at 1080p is Bvllshit and those developers need to learn to code. The textures in the Last of us game don't look better than any other game and should not require 12gb of Vram
The Last of Us 12gb VRAM (why this is not the best looking game)
Hogwarts Legacy 10gb VRAM (why this is not the best looking game)
Versus
Ghost recon breakpoint 6gb VRAM
Elden Ring 7gb VRAM
God of War 7.5gb VRAM
I own all 5 of these games (Last of us and Hogwarts) don't look better and are not more complex than Elden Ring, Ghost Recon and God of war so the textures need to be coded to requires less VRAM.
the games don't even have access to 8gbvram. some is used by the os and hardware accelerated apps like a browser in the background..
This is one of those must watch videos where it gives a lot of clarity on the future of video cards… maybe my next video card will be a Intel’s !!
Good video. Ngreedia vram skimping as always, while memory is at all time low price (hence also (nvme) ssd's, smartphone, sd cards, etc.), except only gpu's at largest gross margins ever witnessed at over 10x the inflation from last 4 years. I wouldn't be surprised if amd and nvidia are price fixing again as they did in the past. Amd is only following, does the same shit, but not as extreme. Hopefully intel's battlemage going to change the scene next year, until then, not gonna buy scammer prices. I can even wait until 3nm, even better (+15% cost vs +40% capacity, in theory, price should go down, but will not/never happen as long as people continue to buy expensive shit, but no worries, if we go in a deep recession or depression, you won't be able to afford regardless and everyone having bought at scammer prices to maintain mr x's leather jacket will feel real stupid for the rest of their lives). /Rant
Also Linux drivers for Nvidia suck thus the argument they have better support for more systems is false
Great video.
I agree completely!
Is 400$ & 500$ even low range GPU's
4050 will definitely be 400$ & 4060 will be in the range of 500$
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AMD is in VRAM Capacity better and the price is lower. Dont understand why rtx 2060 have a 12 gb Version and a 3070 ti only 8GB.😂
the ceo from nvidia need to gone
Well,... if AMD's graphics cards didn't *SUCK,* and get utterly bodyslammed by Nvidia's low end mid-tier graphics cards and AMD's drivers didn't suck worse than a pile of rotting fish floating in the most rancid sewer water on planet earth, and maybe if AMD's graphics cards didn't crash to desktop every 5 seconds while runinng Counter Strike : Global Offensive at 640×480 interlaced on the lowest possible settings, annnnnnd if AMD even knew what a graphics card should be able to do and maybe if AMD had heard of a little app called Blender,... maybe, just maybe Nvidia wouldn't have 95.7% global market share!
Maybe!
Oh and do not count on the Radeon RX 7800XT being anything more than a halfbaked, low-end, underpowered, underperforming, wimpy, limpy, flimsy, squishy faildozer pukefest!
The RTX 3050 standard non-Ti model will violently curb-stomp the Radeon RX 7800XT into the pavement!
Nvidia doesn't even have to try in order to beat AMD into a bloody pulp.
Nvidia wins.
Nvidia always wins!
Nvidia wins beacause marketing and fanboys nothig more.
@@maxdamage4919 SILENCE MORTAL!
For Nvidia has spoken!
😤
4 sure its weird if any other competitor offers more VRAM but anyways the consumer buy a NVidia - NVidia is latin language by the way and means "envy" or jealousy" .... so maybe this explains the buyers choices while there seem to be better choices...
very weird
anyhow i play on a 6GB 3060 Laptop within 1080pi Cyberpunk at high with arroudn 130 fps....i dont understand the problems with the desktop gpus.... weird weird ...i never have any problems...i believe the most users have no clue about how to use the settings and the nvidia experience tools
A monopoly means there are no competitors and thats wrong - the nvidia drivers are nice anyhow....but you yourself have counted up the competitors....
so is it the jab that makes people not realizing their own speach?? how does it feel?
And thats why console will dominate and kill pc gaming because there better, faster and so much more reliable
you have options on pc
@@circle679-m3iyet those options 😂😂😂
@@omegaXwolf :)))))
RTX 4070 comes with 12Gb and that's enough.
It's enough for now, but in few years it will be obsolete
No, beacause most Demand game eat 12.5gb or 13gb of vram. Like RE4 remake, Star wars, The new Starfield, and all 2023/24 games 12gb of vram is not enough .4070 perfrom worst than 6800xt a 2020 GPU.
its not enough when using rt/framegen